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RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Acky81 - 04/02/2018

Noticed doxford international has been dropped on the 39 in favour of Doxford Park


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Rapidsnap - 04/02/2018

So are 5265 - 5272 going to be the Blue Arrow Omnicities?

Looks great though.

As for the destination thing, the debate is really getting on my nerves. I see nothing wrong with the new style blinds, and I think it's a bit nit picky because the letters all finish on the same line.

Honestly in the past we have gone years with buses having a simple final destination on the bus. How many people got confused on what bus went to Jarrow when the 310 / 319 displayed either North Shields, Whitley Bay or Blyth in case of the 310 or Wallsend, Killingworth or Cramlington with the 319.

Example 1 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/13804786464
Example 2 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/13804794444

Also there's the case years ago, you are standing at Wallsend Metro and want to go to Throckley. There's a choice of 3 routes (21 / 22 / 49) and usually all routes just showed Throckley as a destination with no indication that the 49 served just about every estate in North Newcastle.

Example 3 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/11940151006

People will always ask the driver regardless what it says on the front so they are reassured on where the vehicle is going, as the blind display could be completely incorrect and the driver hasn't realised it, especially if a vehicle has powerblinds and it has gotten stuck or doing the usual drop down a set of numbers / destintions when the engine goes off. (I miss the powerblinds, used to love watching them change). And with the modern LED blinds, it's not unknown for displays to either become scrambled or the light dims so much you cannot make out what it says.


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - S830OFT - 04/02/2018

How long does 9085 have left with Go North East?


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Andreos1 - 04/02/2018

(02/02/2018, 20:46)Greg in Weardale Wrote: The new larger destinations, which I like and approve  of, are spoilt by the use of "squashed" letters g, p, q and y (as in this "Houghton") which is unnecessary and will nullify the improvements for the visually impaired - and it just looks awful. I have however seen "Washington" and "Bishop Auckland" displayed sensibly.

There is (or was on Friday) at least one of the Washington Mercs still displaying the old style blinds.

(04/02/2018, 04:16)Rapidsnap Wrote: So are 5265 - 5272 going to be the Blue Arrow Omnicities?

Looks great though.

As for the destination thing, the debate is really getting on my nerves. I see nothing wrong with the new style blinds, and I think it's a bit nit picky because the letters all finish on the same line.

Honestly in the past we have gone years with buses having a simple final destination on the bus. How many people got confused on what bus went to Jarrow when the 310 / 319 displayed either North Shields, Whitley Bay or Blyth in case of the 310 or Wallsend, Killingworth or Cramlington with the 319.

Example 1 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/13804786464
Example 2 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/13804794444

Also there's the case years ago, you are standing at Wallsend Metro and want to go to Throckley. There's a choice of 3 routes (21 / 22 / 49) and usually all routes just showed Throckley as a destination with no indication that the 49 served just about every estate in North Newcastle.

Example 3 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/11940151006

People will always ask the driver regardless what it says on the front so they are reassured on where the vehicle is going, as the blind display could be completely incorrect and the driver hasn't realised it, especially if a vehicle has powerblinds and it has gotten stuck or doing the usual drop down a set of numbers / destintions when the engine goes off. (I miss the powerblinds, used to love watching them change). And with the modern LED blinds, it's not unknown for displays to either become scrambled or the light dims so much you cannot make out what it says.

Buses had step entrances in the past. Time moved on and vehicles became more accessible.

Buses had a variety of blind types and displays in the past. Time moved on and they became easier to see and more reliable.

Now, we have single destination LED's, in a colour that doesn't suit everyone, on routes that have been merged, changed and adapted numerous times in relatively short periods of time (as opposed to the routes in your photos) and are operated by vehicles in a range of liveries; that sometimes has a linear route map on the side of the vehicle, sometimes has a linear route map on the rear of the vehicle, sometimes has examples of calling points on the side or could be the wrong vehicle type (sometimes allocated and sometimes operating via a quirk of fate).
I'm not sure how this makes routes more accessible like in the first two examples I used though...

I think the question needs to be asked about why single line destinations were removed in years gone by.
Using your example about the three buses from Wallsend to Throckley, I can probably guess one possible reason why it was changed.


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Michael - 04/02/2018

Any more transfers took place this weekend due to last weeks changes?


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Dan - 04/02/2018

(03/02/2018, 15:14)MrBoyt Wrote: I feel that this would be unwise until they can gauge the reliability of 9084 in service.

Also 9084 is out in service today, currently on a 67 which just departed the Metrocentre (according to the app...)

4899 was replaced at Riverside by 5216.

I would not expect 4899 to be withdrawn until 5216 returns to Riverside - it is currently on loan to Hexham (and has been since 25th January).


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Dan - 04/02/2018

(04/02/2018, 16:39)Michael Wrote: Any more transfers took place this weekend due to last weeks changes?

Washington have now received all four of their OmniCitys (5254 to cover PVR increase on 5/50, 5261-63 to be the spares for the 4 and 5/50). As such they have released a further Mercedes Citaro (5324 to Riverside).

5261 is VOR for PSV preparation and is not expected to return to service until 15th February. At this point, 5338 is expected to transfer to Deptford. Deptford are still retaining 3974 and 3975 on-loan at the moment, as they have still yet to receive 5338 from Washington as well as 5214/15 from Chester-le-Street.


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - ifm001 - 04/02/2018

Since the new fleet livery of red and blue with the white stripe got introduced, I've racked my brains trying to find out which Ye Olde company it was similar too. I've finally cone across the North Western Bus Company photos and the side view is our current livery spot on.

Since the new fleet livery of red and blue with the white stripe got introduced, I've racked my brains trying to find out which Ye Olde company it was similar too. I've finally cone across the North Western Bus Company photos and the side view is our current livery


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Venturego - 05/02/2018

Yes - Totally agree:
https://victoryguy.smugmug.com/North-Western-Road-Car-Company/

Could have gone for a more corporate and original branding. Dark Blue rears are very dull and bland.

I also think if Toon Link remains Black base, it should have more colourful graphics to brighten up image, maybe like new Tyne Tees express?! but i would prefer to see 6/x30/x70 services branded Newcastle Diamond (linked to 16 Durham Diamond) or simply brand both as "Diamond" with Express Services re branded as "Swift Express" in theme similar to Red Kite as areas served are all similar being North West Durham - Newcastle Centre. Buses can interwork as now with not too dissimilar brands.

I would also suggest Stanley and Consett be taken into zonal fares for multi-modal fares which would allow GNE & Metro travel to Airport & Coast etc... for £7.00 all day travel as is the case in T&W Nexus zones 4 & 5 which include distances (such as West Rainton) which are further than either Stanley & Consett from the centre of Newcastle & beyond to Airport etc... - Maybe the new NECTA combined authority will address such issues


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Coastliner700 - 05/02/2018

(04/02/2018, 23:28)ifm001 Wrote: Since the new fleet livery of red and blue with the white stripe got introduced, I've racked my brains trying to find out which Ye Olde company it was similar too. I've finally cone across the North Western Bus Company photos and the side view is our current livery spot on.

Since the new fleet livery of red and blue with the white stripe got introduced, I've racked my brains trying to find out which Ye Olde company it was similar too. I've finally cone across the North Western Bus Company photos and the side view is our current livery

They could have perhaps incoprated some yellow instead of white to it and a bit more of a swoosh at the front. To me it looks very bland with little thought.


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Rapidsnap - 05/02/2018

If anyone is after the Wright Streetdeck demo or the Optare MetroDecker demo, they are both currently at Saltmeadows.

The Streetdeck looks to be getting replacement panels around the nearside rear wheel.


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - V514DFT - 05/02/2018

(05/02/2018, 13:53)Coastliner700 Wrote: They could have perhaps incoprated some yellow instead of white to it and a bit more of a swoosh at the front. To me it looks very bland with little thought.

I agree,they probably could of taken the old livery and updated it a little bit,dont know why but i think the mercs would of suited it


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - busmanT - 06/02/2018

(04/02/2018, 04:16)Rapidsnap Wrote: So are 5265 - 5272 going to be the Blue Arrow Omnicities?

Looks great though.

As for the destination thing, the debate is really getting on my nerves. I see nothing wrong with the new style blinds, and I think it's a bit nit picky because the letters all finish on the same line.

Honestly in the past we have gone years with buses having a simple final destination on the bus. How many people got confused on what bus went to Jarrow when the 310 / 319 displayed either North Shields, Whitley Bay or Blyth in case of the 310 or Wallsend, Killingworth or Cramlington with the 319.

Example 1 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/13804786464
Example 2 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/13804794444

Also there's the case years ago, you are standing at Wallsend Metro and want to go to Throckley. There's a choice of 3 routes (21 / 22 / 49) and usually all routes just showed Throckley as a destination with no indication that the 49 served just about every estate in North Newcastle.

Example 3 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/11940151006

People will always ask the driver regardless what it says on the front so they are reassured on where the vehicle is going, as the blind display could be completely incorrect and the driver hasn't realised it, especially if a vehicle has powerblinds and it has gotten stuck or doing the usual drop down a set of numbers / destintions when the engine goes off. (I miss the powerblinds, used to love watching them change). And with the modern LED blinds, it's not unknown for displays to either become scrambled or the light dims so much you cannot make out what it says.

5266-5273 = Blue Arrow


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - V514DFT - 06/02/2018

So are the ex blue arrow solars totally finished public service now,i know dan said a while back 2 had already been withdrawn


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Northern4555 - 06/02/2018

I thought I was seeing things this morning 10.15 am H1 actually had a passenger .john Reid rd going to the hospital.


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - nk55 - 06/02/2018

(06/02/2018, 11:21)V514DFT Wrote: So are the ex blue arrow solars totally finished public service now,i know dan said a while back 2 had already been withdrawn

Was it not mentioned a couple going to replace coaches in the training fleet, might be wrong of course


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - V514DFT - 06/02/2018

(06/02/2018, 14:30)nk55 Wrote: Was it not mentioned a couple going to replace coaches in the training fleet, might be wrong of course

Probably,i may of missed it


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Ianthegoon - 06/02/2018

(06/02/2018, 13:25)Northern4555 Wrote: I thought I was seeing things this morning 10.15 am H1 actually had a passenger .john Reid rd going to the hospital.

Does the passenger not count as a "Rare and Odd Working"?  Wink


RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - Dan - 06/02/2018

(04/02/2018, 16:39)Michael Wrote: Any more transfers took place this weekend due to last weeks changes?

(04/02/2018, 17:44)Dan Wrote: Washington have now received all four of their OmniCitys (5254 to cover PVR increase on 5/50, 5261-63 to be the spares for the 4 and 5/50). As such they have released a further Mercedes Citaro (5324 to Riverside).

5261 is VOR for PSV preparation and is not expected to return to service until 15th February. At this point, 5338 is expected to transfer to Deptford. Deptford are still retaining 3974 and 3975 on-loan at the moment, as they have still yet to receive 5338 from Washington as well as 5214/15 from Chester-le-Street.

4945 and 5201 transferred to Chester-le-Street last night.
5214 and 5215 therefore cascaded from Chester-le-Street to Deptford this afternoon.

5215 is to be allocated to the scholars 5030 service this afternoon.


Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2018 - cbma06 - 06/02/2018

(06/02/2018, 16:51)Dan Wrote: 4945 and 5201 transferred to Chester-le-Street last night.
5214 and 5215 therefore cascaded from Chester-le-Street to Deptford this afternoon.

5214 is to be allocated to the scholars 5030 service this afternoon.


Service 5030 has seen a various of buses lately, think it’s only a double decker or a solo that hasn’t been used yet.


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