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RE: North West Bus Operations - Y961 XBU - 01 Jan 2019 (14 Nov 2018, 5:18 pm)Y961 XBU Might be of interest to some, This is an updated list of the Arriva North West DLP's & VLWs that i keep myself. I have been given gossip on the quiet that these could be going very soon, I wont go into detail about possible replacements until i get further information, Also of note 4162 shows in use at Bolton but is getting repairs following hitting the depot roof when being towed in from a break down. There is also a PVR reduction coming in at Birkenhead on 17th November, this could see the final VLW 4211 be withdrawn. 4169 and 4174 are the latest 2 to be Withdrawn. RE: North West Bus Operations - Kuyoyo - 04 Feb 2019 First to sell off its Manchester operation https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/04/firstgroup-jettison-loss-making-manchester-bus-network/ RE: North West Bus Operations - S813 FVK - 04 Feb 2019 FirstGroup to jettison loss-making Manchester bus network https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/04/firstgroup-jettison-loss-making-manchester-bus-network/ Transport giant FirstGroup is selling one of its biggest regional bus divisions in a bid to stem mounting losses. RE: North West Bus Operations - Malarkey - 04 Feb 2019 (04 Feb 2019, 9:22 pm)S813 FVK FirstGroup to jettison loss-making Manchester bus network Selling to three separate operators is an interesting note from this article, would of thought they would've wanted to sell to just one operator outright. I reckon Transdev to take over Bury Ops, Arriva take over Bolton Ops and Stagecoach take over Oldham Ops from First. RE: North West Bus Operations - KB59 - 05 Feb 2019 Bury depot has been closed for a while. I think this should be Queens Road, Manchester, which would probably be too much for Transdev. stagecoach could be interested in Bolton as it is close to their Wigan operations leaving Oldham for Transdev (Rosso). Queens Road ? They will be selling separately because of Competition Authorities probably. RE: North West Bus Operations - Tamesider - 06 Feb 2019 (05 Feb 2019, 12:03 pm)KB59 Bury depot has been closed for a while. I think this should be Queens Road, Manchester, which would probably be too much for Transdev. stagecoach could be interested in Bolton as it is close to their Wigan operations leaving Oldham for Transdev (Rosso). And for that reason Stagecoach will not be able to acquire Oldham or Queens. Besides, they want out as well don't they? RE: North West Bus Operations - NewcastleOne - 06 Feb 2019 (06 Feb 2019, 9:36 pm)Tamesider And for that reason Stagecoach will not be able to acquire Oldham or Queens. Besides, they want out as well don't they? I don’t think they want out after they recorded high profits last year but I think they will stay even if they re regulate the Manchester bus services. They have such a large operation where they can’t really place the buses. RE: North West Bus Operations - Dan - 19 Feb 2019 Go-Ahead agrees terms with FirstGroup to purchase Manchester bus depot Read more: https://www.go-ahead.com/en/media/news/2019/go-ahead-agrees-terms-with-firstgroup-to-purchase-manchester-bus.html RE: North West Bus Operations - James101 - 19 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 8:03 am)Dan Go-Ahead agrees terms with FirstGroup to purchase Manchester bus depot Good news at least part of First GM is going to an operator new to the area, rather than being swallowed up by the existing ones. This will be very different to the EYMS acquisition where keeping the status quo is fine. First is a toxic brand in Manchester, so big changes above and beyond a new name/livery will be needed. It'll be interesting to see how Go Ahead attack the GM market, as in terms of the routes they acquire with Queens Road, it's all a bit haphazard. A lot of what Queens operate is along corridors supplemented by other First depots; meaning once Go North West are going it alone they will be very much the smaller player. Core corridors 'as-is' would be the 17/18 Manchester-Middleton-Rochdale (this is the only Queens route into Rochdale, the remainder of the network around there being Oldham operated), and the Manchester - Bury corridor incorporating the 135, 93, 95, 97, 98. Even here, however, the same issue is present at the Bury end where the bulk of services here are operated by First Bolton (or whoever is operating Bolton by then), leaving GNW the smaller player. The rest of what they acquire is very 'standalone'; the 53 has always been a territorial oddball; is it even worth continuing with the 42...etc. That all said, Queens is in a prime location to through the status quo out of the window and draw up a new network entirely - though this will need deep pockets and it's a risky game poking Stagecoach, especially when Go Ahead Group co-exist with Stagecoach in other territories. RE: North West Bus Operations - Andreos1 - 19 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 10:25 am)James101 Good news at least part of First GM is going to an operator new to the area, rather than being swallowed up by the existing ones. This will be very different to the EYMS acquisition where keeping the status quo is fine. First is a toxic brand in Manchester, so big changes above and beyond a new name/livery will be needed. An interesting move, when you look at potential TfGM manouvers and the Rosso/Transdev deal from last year. It smacks (to me anyway) of wanting to be involved in Manchester without poking Stagecoaches nose out of joint oo much. RE: North West Bus Operations - Kuyoyo - 19 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 10:25 am)James101 Good news at least part of First GM is going to an operator new to the area, rather than being swallowed up by the existing ones. This will be very different to the EYMS acquisition where keeping the status quo is fine. First is a toxic brand in Manchester, so big changes above and beyond a new name/livery will be needed. Just one of note - First no longer operate a 42 in Manchester. The Northern half of their old 42 (Middleton to City) now connecta with the 41 to Sale. First have pulled off the East Didsbury route leaving it entirely Stagecoach-operated, be it a 42, a 42A, a 42B or a 142. Go Ahead also gain the First depot where the youngest owned vehicle is 9 years old - Queens Road is the poorer relation in terms of its fleet. The last new vehicles delivered to Queens Road were the Volvo B5LHs used on the 18 between Middleton and Manchester Royal Infirmary. Queen Road do however operate what was the ‘Metroshuttle’ now know as ‘Free Bus’. RE: North West Bus Operations - James101 - 19 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 3:27 pm)Kuyoyo Just one of note - First no longer operate a 42 in Manchester. The Northern half of their old 42 (Middleton to City) now connecta with the 41 to Sale. First have pulled off the East Didsbury route leaving it entirely Stagecoach-operated, be it a 42, a 42A, a 42B or a 142. Ah yes of course. Still, the 41 is a very small part of the Oxford Road corridor. Especially when it’s considered that Vantage services which currently supplement First output as far as the Hospitals will not be included in this deal. Unless.... Crazy theory time. If Fingalnds was only sold to First for £50k that can’t have included the sale of the depot. Maybe (this is a big maybe, I’ve not shelled out the £3 to check Land Registry) the depot was retained by EYMS. Even bigger maybe, this was transferred to Go Ahead with the EYMS deal. Ergo Go North West have a depot on the busiest bus corridor in Europe? *puts tin foil hat away* RE: North West Bus Operations - Andreos1 - 19 Feb 2019 The depot was only leased to First when the sale was agreed. RE: North West Bus Operations - James101 - 19 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 3:56 pm)Andreos1 The depot was only leased to First when the sale was agreed. Leased from EYMS or another party? If EYMS sold it separately from the Finglands operation my money would be on student flats before longs. If EYMS kept it, and it was passed to Go Ahead, could it re open soon? RE: North West Bus Operations - Michael - 19 Feb 2019 What kind of buses run from Queens Road? Don't really know much about First. RE: North West Bus Operations - Andreos1 - 19 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 4:09 pm)James101 Leased from EYMS or another party? If EYMS sold it separately from the Finglands operation my money would be on student flats before longs. If EYMS kept it, and it was passed to Go Ahead, could it re open soon? I believe First took over the lease from Finglands. So presumably another party owns the site. RE: North West Bus Operations - RBZ 5459 - 19 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 7:29 pm)Michael What kind of buses run from Queens Road? B9TL Geminis from 07/57/58, TfGM Metroshuttles, plenty 05/55/06/09 B7RLEs, plus the 61 plate B5TL. Quite an aged depot as already been mentioned, most likely showing their age (and some) being First. RE: North West Bus Operations - Kuyoyo - 20 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 7:29 pm)Michael What kind of buses run from Queens Road? (19 Feb 2019, 11:26 pm)RBZ 5459 B9TL Geminis from 07/57/58, TfGM Metroshuttles, plenty 05/55/06/09 B7RLEs, plus the 61 plate B5TL. Quite an aged depot as already been mentioned, most likely showing their age (and some) being First. For anyone wonder, here's the most up-to-date Fleetlist for First Manchester I can find - in the drop-down box, select 'Manchester' for Queens Road's allocation http://www.quack77.uk/fleetlists/fleet.php?ownerid=8 RE: North West Bus Operations - Michael - 21 Feb 2019 (19 Feb 2019, 11:26 pm)RBZ 5459 B9TL Geminis from 07/57/58, TfGM Metroshuttles, plenty 05/55/06/09 B7RLEs, plus the 61 plate B5TL. Quite an aged depot as already been mentioned, most likely showing their age (and some) being First. Thanks, far amount of decent buses then, read that Go Ahead will have a look and probables do some refurbishment work on the buses in the future. Will the fleet numbers change? RE: North West Bus Operations - RBZ 5459 - 21 Feb 2019 (21 Feb 2019, 11:20 am)Michael Thanks, far amount of decent buses then, read that Go Ahead will have a look and probables do some refurbishment work on the buses in the future. I'd expect so yeah. |