(13 Aug 2022, 12:49 pm)Unber43 What is meant to be allocated to the 41/41A, is it the 83.. batch of streetlites? As there are currently 4 OmniDekka's on it.

(13 Aug 2022, 2:06 pm)Dan Yes - for now, at least.


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(13 Aug 2022, 1:09 pm)Unber43 5/9/26/24 is a PVR 18. 
5411-5428= 18 (3-4x Spare 5439-40 + others)
20 PVR 9
5429-5437 (1x Spare 5438)
60 
5370-5376 (5369 Spare) PVR 7 (1x Spare 5369)
61
5327, 5334-36 PVR 4 (1x Spare 5290)
X20 
5328-5333 PVR 6 (1x Spare 5440)
35
5292-5297, 5304 PVR 7/8 Branded. (1x Make PVR 5323, 2-4x Spare 5285-5288)
65
5391-5394 (1x Spare 5441)
Deptford School Buses PVR 3 (5025 Decker/4274 Coach/X62/807/877 Single Decker)
56
6088-6098 PVR 11 (2x Spare 6086-6087)
39 
673-679 + 2 Need Painting (672-680) (1-2x Spare 656-666) 
2/2A
8329-8330-8332-8338 (1-2x Spare 8331 & X)
Peterlee Locals + X6 
PVR 6 653-659 (1x Spare 659)

Spares
5285-5288,5290
5323-5326 (-24-26 have been off for over a month)
5438-5441 
664-666
647-648 
6086-6087
3943 (Been off for weeks) - Not enough spares at Deptford. Or Consett soon.
8331

(13 Aug 2022, 6:23 pm)Storx Is this predictions here as for some reason I have a feeling all the Versa's might end up at Deptford.

The Quaylink ones doing the 61 and X20, the 10 plate ones doing the 35 with all the Merc's withdrawn other than the 4 batch.

There's potentially 17 buses, coming into Riverside (Streetdeck's + Electrics), all the Versa's is 20 buses out.

Whatever does the 49/49A long term will be Euro 6 imo though otherwise you'll have a fleet of buses for the 49/49A which can't be used on anything else now the 67/69 are gone.

(13 Aug 2022, 8:22 pm)peter Not sure if it's been hypothesised yet but I have a sneaking suspicion the 6 and 12 will be moving to Consett from September.

I had the idea initially as most of the services registered in that initial batch of September changes were ones that are moving depots. Also because Lanchester would not be that far away from Consett for driver change overs.

Then there's been a couple of things on BusTimes that seem to suggest it. Firstly all the Streetlites allocated to Consett have their depot shown as '6 and 12' rather than CT or Consett, which seems odd, although I know it's not the most trustworthy of websites, someone could be hinting at something.

Secondly on Wednesday, 8294 did a little jaunt from Chester depot, it ran to Lanchester then followed the route of the 6 to Newcastle and then the route of the 12 to Winlaton before heading back via the 12 and 6 route to Lanchester and back to Chester. As I'm assuming relatively few of the Chester drivers would wanna move to Riverside, perhaps the 6 and 12 are moving to Consett which the ex-Chester drivers will now run, with Riverside drivers being trained up on the 21.

(13 Aug 2022, 8:22 pm)peter Not sure if it's been hypothesised yet but I have a sneaking suspicion the 6 and 12 will be moving to Consett from September.

I had the idea initially as most of the services registered in that initial batch of September changes were ones that are moving depots. Also because Lanchester would not be that far away from Consett for driver change overs.

Then there's been a couple of things on BusTimes that seem to suggest it. Firstly all the Streetlites allocated to Consett have their depot shown as '6 and 12' rather than CT or Consett, which seems odd, although I know it's not the most trustworthy of websites, someone could be hinting at something.

Secondly on Wednesday, 8294 did a little jaunt from Chester depot, it ran to Lanchester then followed the route of the 6 to Newcastle and then the route of the 12 to Winlaton before heading back via the 12 and 6 route to Lanchester and back to Chester. As I'm assuming relatively few of the Chester drivers would wanna move to Riverside, perhaps the 6 and 12 are moving to Consett which the ex-Chester drivers will now run, with Riverside drivers being trained up on the 21.

(13 Aug 2022, 6:49 pm)Unber43 49/49A/X66. 
But that means 5501-5504,09,10. Which are branded for the X66 would be moving. ASwell i think the 49/49A should be branded, but I doubt GNE have 12 Euro 6 Spare for the 49/49A & X66. 
Tho 5501-5504 would suit the 61 imo really well. 

Quaylink Versa's will probably be kept at Riverside, for the 49/49A/X66 aswell as spares but also 41/41A need something permanently its meant to have 8343-46 however it seems they don't have any atm, with 8339-41 should be on the 34. But they're currently at Deptford as they don't have enough spares at all, and that is with only 1-2 buses off a PVR 18 route.

(13 Aug 2022, 8:56 pm)Storx See I can't see the Versa's on the 49/49A. The Versa's got a decent refurb and arguably would be better on a frontline service like the X20. The Merc's are also expensive to run and finished hence why there's shortages at Deptford, if you moved all the Versa's you'd have 3 spare for them.

Who knows tbh, I do think they'll focus on getting the 08/58/10 Merc's and the remaining 09 Versa's with the displacements though so something will end up at Deptford, it's just what.

Btw I think everything left at CLS now will end at Consett other than the 21/X21 which will end up at Riverside rather than them going to Washington including the 34/34A.

(13 Aug 2022, 9:05 pm)Unber43 Whatever they decide to do they should run a service, maybe the X8 (CLS-Consett-Templetown) or Extend the 71/25 to Concord/Washington via Depot for Driver change overs. 

Why does the 16/X45 terminate at Templetown is it just to alleviate the lost millage for driver changeover because im pretty sure no one uses them so surely its just more expensive than a van. 

X20 I don't know how Versas would do with it spending a lot of time on the A690, 5369-5376 would be good, however they would need new buses for the 60. However I can't see the Versa's leaving none Newcastle routes they could go onto the 25/28/29 (PVR 7+3 Spare). But then the 8 Needs several spares there are always replacement buses on that and they are all versa's or connections 4. 4 does have an adequate number of spares. 

Washington/Deptford/Consett will struggle for Euro 6 and Spares overall. 20 Plate streetdecks leaves them with about 6 spares, and I think there are only 3x E400 MMC spares.

The versa's inside are also awful they have changed colour its like a dark yellow/brown ish, they are quite bad even on the Berries. Hopefully GNE can spare 10 Euro 6 buses to be spread out between Consett/Washington/Deptford for extra spares on top of what they have.

(13 Aug 2022, 9:17 pm)streetdeckfan We used to have Versas quite regularly on the X21 a few years back and they coped perfectly fine on the motorway, better than the StreetDecks from memory. I seem to recall one of them happily sitting at 60 on the motorway, and actually managing to hit around 65 (GPS speed) on the downhill section of the A167. I think I questioned on here at the time what they're limited to

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I quite like the Versas, they're comfortable and they sound nice (providing you don't get a rattly one)

(13 Aug 2022, 9:40 pm)Storx See Washington should be fine, they already have the 10, 11 plate Versa's for them. I'm not sure they'll want to use decent buses on subsidised routes there's no benefits.

Spares Buses:
Solo (?)
Versa Long, 5380 - 5390 (11)
Streetlite Long, 5343 - 5469 (17)
Streetdeck, 6356 - 6363 (8)
Versa Short, 8310 - 8318 (9)
Streetlite Short, 8339 - 8346 (8)
B7RLE: 5509 - 5510 (2)
Total: 55

Unallocated:
6/12 (9)
49/49 (7)
57 (6)
34/34A (3)
41/41A (4)
Total: 29

Extras
35 (8)
X20 (6)
61 (4)
Total: 18

Total Replaced: 47, 8 Spares.

I might have got some of the PVR's slightly wrong especially the 6/12 but I'm not sure in what way it'll happen that is what's going to get improvements imo and you've got 8 spares there to split around. You could send something else to Hexham aswell if you wanted and nab them Versa's aswell; not sure what mind.

(13 Aug 2022, 8:22 pm)peter Not sure if it's been hypothesised yet but I have a sneaking suspicion the 6 and 12 will be moving to Consett from September.

I had the idea initially as most of the services registered in that initial batch of September changes were ones that are moving depots. Also because Lanchester would not be that far away from Consett for driver change overs.

Then there's been a couple of things on BusTimes that seem to suggest it. Firstly all the Streetlites allocated to Consett have their depot shown as '6 and 12' rather than CT or Consett, which seems odd, although I know it's not the most trustworthy of websites, someone could be hinting at something.

Secondly on Wednesday, 8294 did a little jaunt from Chester depot, it ran to Lanchester then followed the route of the 6 to Newcastle and then the route of the 12 to Winlaton before heading back via the 12 and 6 route to Lanchester and back to Chester. As I'm assuming relatively few of the Chester drivers would wanna move to Riverside, perhaps the 6 and 12 are moving to Consett which the ex-Chester drivers will now run, with Riverside drivers being trained up on the 21.

(14 Aug 2022, 7:17 am)Chris 1 Funny you say that, on a local residents FB page a GNE driver commented that the 12 would be moving to Consett. Dan has mentioned previously that GNE would move routes around to suit which depots displaced drivers move to so it stacks up in theory.

(14 Aug 2022, 9:51 am)Jack Gill Potentially the quaycity Versas could be used on the 6 and 12 if the lot do move to Consett?

(14 Aug 2022, 11:06 am)peter It would certainly fit with Storx's theory that the Versa's will all be moving out of Riverside, 5380-88 plus 5389/90 move to Consett for the 6/12, which also works with  5377-79 being at Hexham now an outstation of Consett. 

That frees up 5453-5462 to go back on the 49/49A displacing 8310-8318 to Deptford for the 35. 5463-69 go on the 57 unless it's getting deckers from somewhere.

What remains to be seen I suppose is what ends up on the 34 and which depot it goes to, if 8307/8/9 stay because they're euro 6, what the 8339-46 Streetlites end up on and what happens with Hexham as that's the last depot with euro 5 vehicles running into Newcastle (in theory).