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Dan

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08 Jun 2019, 1:35 pm #261

(08 Jun 2019, 1:33 pm)Jamie M


I don't see there being a more suitable vehicle type to the X9 X10 that isn't a coach. The B5s do a good job most of the time, it's a shame that there's always one needing work, but I don't think you're going to solve that by replacing new double deckers with even newer ones.


I would say there's probably a similar story with the X21. It's one of those routes where you need bulletproof engines for day in - day out business. I'd say an increase in maintenance is the way forward, rather than spending countless thousands on new buses, which will inevitably end up like the current lot. Less spending on new stuff, more spent making the current lot more reliable.



Agree - what both services need, in my opinion, is a dedicated spare vehicle of the same specification.


Clearly 6332 has served this purpose at Crook for some time now, although now forms part of the PVR at Crook itself. I'd say things seemed to go much smoothly once 6332 was made available as the preferred spare vehicle for the X21.

Dan
08 Jun 2019, 1:35 pm #261

(08 Jun 2019, 1:33 pm)Jamie M


I don't see there being a more suitable vehicle type to the X9 X10 that isn't a coach. The B5s do a good job most of the time, it's a shame that there's always one needing work, but I don't think you're going to solve that by replacing new double deckers with even newer ones.


I would say there's probably a similar story with the X21. It's one of those routes where you need bulletproof engines for day in - day out business. I'd say an increase in maintenance is the way forward, rather than spending countless thousands on new buses, which will inevitably end up like the current lot. Less spending on new stuff, more spent making the current lot more reliable.



Agree - what both services need, in my opinion, is a dedicated spare vehicle of the same specification.


Clearly 6332 has served this purpose at Crook for some time now, although now forms part of the PVR at Crook itself. I'd say things seemed to go much smoothly once 6332 was made available as the preferred spare vehicle for the X21.

Jamie M

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08 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm #262

(08 Jun 2019, 1:35 pm)Dan



Agree - what both services need, in my opinion, is a dedicated spare vehicle of the same specification.


Clearly 6332 has served this purpose at Crook for some time now, although now forms part of the PVR at Crook itself. I'd say things seemed to go much smoothly once 6332 was made available as the preferred spare vehicle for the X21.



Need more spares full stop. But I can't see it happening. Buses sitting around doing nowt some days is no good to a business!

Jamie M
08 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm #262

(08 Jun 2019, 1:35 pm)Dan



Agree - what both services need, in my opinion, is a dedicated spare vehicle of the same specification.


Clearly 6332 has served this purpose at Crook for some time now, although now forms part of the PVR at Crook itself. I'd say things seemed to go much smoothly once 6332 was made available as the preferred spare vehicle for the X21.



Need more spares full stop. But I can't see it happening. Buses sitting around doing nowt some days is no good to a business!

Stanleyone

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08 Jun 2019, 6:31 pm #263

(08 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm)Jamie M


Need more spares full stop. But I can't see it happening. Buses sitting around doing nowt some days is no good to a business!



But does come in handy when the metro goes down.

Stanleyone
08 Jun 2019, 6:31 pm #263

(08 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm)Jamie M


Need more spares full stop. But I can't see it happening. Buses sitting around doing nowt some days is no good to a business!



But does come in handy when the metro goes down.

Dan

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10 Jun 2019, 2:46 pm #264
A sneak-peak of the liveries for some of the double-decks on order this year:
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7373841409
Dan
10 Jun 2019, 2:46 pm #264

A sneak-peak of the liveries for some of the double-decks on order this year:
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7373841409

JP6004



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10 Jun 2019, 2:56 pm #265

(10 Jun 2019, 2:46 pm)Dan A sneak-peak of the liveries for some of the double-decks on order this year:
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7373841409


Have to say it does look impressive. Take it from this some of the streetdecks are for toonlink X30/X70/X71, E400 for X31 and rest for red kite?

JP6004
10 Jun 2019, 2:56 pm #265

(10 Jun 2019, 2:46 pm)Dan A sneak-peak of the liveries for some of the double-decks on order this year:
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7373841409


Have to say it does look impressive. Take it from this some of the streetdecks are for toonlink X30/X70/X71, E400 for X31 and rest for red kite?

Venturego



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10 Jun 2019, 3:13 pm #266

Some interesting Photos of the 31 new Streetdecks on order - various  photos of colour themes based on X Lines branding featured on  Martijn Gilbert's twiiter page:



https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE




"Further to us announcing details to our colleagues earlier this year, today we’ve officially announced our order for 31x Wrights StreetDecks (1 of which will be the UK's first with Daimler's 6-cylinder engine), 3x ADL E400’s and 11x E200’s for due from Sept onwards"

Venturego
10 Jun 2019, 3:13 pm #266

Some interesting Photos of the 31 new Streetdecks on order - various  photos of colour themes based on X Lines branding featured on  Martijn Gilbert's twiiter page:



https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE




"Further to us announcing details to our colleagues earlier this year, today we’ve officially announced our order for 31x Wrights StreetDecks (1 of which will be the UK's first with Daimler's 6-cylinder engine), 3x ADL E400’s and 11x E200’s for due from Sept onwards"

10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm #267
(10 Jun 2019, 3:13 pm)Venturego

Some interesting Photos of the 31 new Streetdecks on order - various  photos of colour themes based on X Lines branding featured on  Martijn Gilbert's twiiter page:



https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE




The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!

streetdeckfan
10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm #267

(10 Jun 2019, 3:13 pm)Venturego

Some interesting Photos of the 31 new Streetdecks on order - various  photos of colour themes based on X Lines branding featured on  Martijn Gilbert's twiiter page:



https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE




The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!

Stanleyone

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10 Jun 2019, 3:42 pm #268

(10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan



The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!



Maybe no one will stand on the stairs and have the vinyl blocking their view ?

Stanleyone
10 Jun 2019, 3:42 pm #268

(10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan



The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!



Maybe no one will stand on the stairs and have the vinyl blocking their view ?

Michael



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10 Jun 2019, 3:42 pm #269
(10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan


The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!


100% agree on that it suits the E400's

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
10 Jun 2019, 3:42 pm #269

(10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan


The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!


100% agree on that it suits the E400's


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

JP6004



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10 Jun 2019, 4:18 pm #270

(10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan


The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!



The rounding off is done by vinyl


(10 Jun 2019, 3:42 pm)Michael 100% agree on that it suits the E400's


The E400 seems to be rendered in higher spec than the streetdeck. Notice how dull the wheels are and lack of reflection in the windows. Also the colour not as vibrant on streetdeck

Edited 10 Jun 2019, 4:19 pm by JP6004.
JP6004
10 Jun 2019, 4:18 pm #270

(10 Jun 2019, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan


The E400 certaintly suits the XLines livery better than the Streetdeck, in fact it manages to make the Streetdeck look ugly, which is a first for me! Plus, I think them rounding off the window on the stairs just doesn't go with the front end styling, it's supposed to be angular!


So much for Martijn hating vinyls on the windows, maybe they should have just cut the Milennium Bridge and part of the X off!



The rounding off is done by vinyl


(10 Jun 2019, 3:42 pm)Michael 100% agree on that it suits the E400's


The E400 seems to be rendered in higher spec than the streetdeck. Notice how dull the wheels are and lack of reflection in the windows. Also the colour not as vibrant on streetdeck

10 Jun 2019, 4:34 pm #271

(10 Jun 2019, 4:18 pm)JP6004


The rounding off is done by vinyl



The E400 seems to be rendered in higher spec than the streetdeck. Notice how dull the wheels are and lack of reflection in the windows. Also the colour not as vibrant on streetdeck



The Streetdeck render looks a bit half arsed to be honest, like you say, they obviously rendered it with a lower quality.

I know whenever I've rendered out my models it's the reflections that take the time, so they probably rendered the E400 properly and realised it takes bloody ages and dropped the quality on the next render!


I also wonder if they'll be moving away from the Civic V3 seats with the new Streetdecks or whether they just left the stock seats in the model they used

streetdeckfan
10 Jun 2019, 4:34 pm #271

(10 Jun 2019, 4:18 pm)JP6004


The rounding off is done by vinyl



The E400 seems to be rendered in higher spec than the streetdeck. Notice how dull the wheels are and lack of reflection in the windows. Also the colour not as vibrant on streetdeck



The Streetdeck render looks a bit half arsed to be honest, like you say, they obviously rendered it with a lower quality.

I know whenever I've rendered out my models it's the reflections that take the time, so they probably rendered the E400 properly and realised it takes bloody ages and dropped the quality on the next render!


I also wonder if they'll be moving away from the Civic V3 seats with the new Streetdecks or whether they just left the stock seats in the model they used

Dan

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10 Jun 2019, 4:36 pm #272

(10 Jun 2019, 4:34 pm)streetdeckfan

The Streetdeck render looks a bit half arsed to be honest, like you say, they obviously rendered it with a lower quality.

I know whenever I've rendered out my models it's the reflections that take the time, so they probably rendered the E400 properly and realised it takes bloody ages and dropped the quality on the next render!


I also wonder if they'll be moving away from the Civic V3 seats with the new Streetdecks or whether they just left the stock seats in the model they used



The vehicle manufacturers produce these, not Go North East.

Dan
10 Jun 2019, 4:36 pm #272

(10 Jun 2019, 4:34 pm)streetdeckfan

The Streetdeck render looks a bit half arsed to be honest, like you say, they obviously rendered it with a lower quality.

I know whenever I've rendered out my models it's the reflections that take the time, so they probably rendered the E400 properly and realised it takes bloody ages and dropped the quality on the next render!


I also wonder if they'll be moving away from the Civic V3 seats with the new Streetdecks or whether they just left the stock seats in the model they used



The vehicle manufacturers produce these, not Go North East.

10 Jun 2019, 4:41 pm #273

(10 Jun 2019, 4:36 pm)Dan


The vehicle manufacturers produce these, not Go North East.



That explains it then, although I'm surprised GNE didn't do them internally, it wouldn't be too much effort

streetdeckfan
10 Jun 2019, 4:41 pm #273

(10 Jun 2019, 4:36 pm)Dan


The vehicle manufacturers produce these, not Go North East.



That explains it then, although I'm surprised GNE didn't do them internally, it wouldn't be too much effort

S813 FVK



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10 Jun 2019, 4:44 pm #274
Does it really matter? It's only a mock up that isn't going to end up on any promotional material. I'm sure any minor faults can be let go.
S813 FVK
10 Jun 2019, 4:44 pm #274

Does it really matter? It's only a mock up that isn't going to end up on any promotional material. I'm sure any minor faults can be let go.

Dan

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10 Jun 2019, 4:51 pm #275

(10 Jun 2019, 4:41 pm)streetdeckfan


That explains it then, although I'm surprised GNE didn't do them internally, it wouldn't be too much effort




They're only ever really produced to give operators a feel for what their buses will look like.


Dan
10 Jun 2019, 4:51 pm #275

(10 Jun 2019, 4:41 pm)streetdeckfan


That explains it then, although I'm surprised GNE didn't do them internally, it wouldn't be too much effort




They're only ever really produced to give operators a feel for what their buses will look like.


10 Jun 2019, 4:53 pm #276

(10 Jun 2019, 4:44 pm)S813 FVK Does it really matter? It's only a mock up that isn't going to end up on any promotional material. I'm sure any minor faults can be let go.


I didn't say there was any fault, I was just pointing out that one is significantly better quality than the other. And the fact that they were produced by the manufacturers rather than inhouse by GNE explains that

streetdeckfan
10 Jun 2019, 4:53 pm #276

(10 Jun 2019, 4:44 pm)S813 FVK Does it really matter? It's only a mock up that isn't going to end up on any promotional material. I'm sure any minor faults can be let go.


I didn't say there was any fault, I was just pointing out that one is significantly better quality than the other. And the fact that they were produced by the manufacturers rather than inhouse by GNE explains that

Michael



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10 Jun 2019, 7:03 pm #277
(10 Jun 2019, 2:46 pm)Dan A sneak-peak of the liveries for some of the double-decks on order this year:
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7373841409

From Twitter:


Martijn Gilbert


@MartijnGNE
5h5 hours ago


Yes, our first ADL order for 15 years. More news on routes etc... in a couple of weeks time once it’s all finalised and briefed out internally to colleagues first.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
10 Jun 2019, 7:03 pm #277

(10 Jun 2019, 2:46 pm)Dan A sneak-peak of the liveries for some of the double-decks on order this year:
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7373841409

From Twitter:


Martijn Gilbert


@MartijnGNE
5h5 hours ago


Yes, our first ADL order for 15 years. More news on routes etc... in a couple of weeks time once it’s all finalised and briefed out internally to colleagues first.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

10 Jun 2019, 7:21 pm #278
I hope X-lines isn't going to be distributed onto all of their express services... the liveries they have are fine. GNE are just standardising all of their liveries like Arriva and Stagecoach; they're really making a mistake. It's diverse now and needs to stay that way.
BeachBoy99
10 Jun 2019, 7:21 pm #278

I hope X-lines isn't going to be distributed onto all of their express services... the liveries they have are fine. GNE are just standardising all of their liveries like Arriva and Stagecoach; they're really making a mistake. It's diverse now and needs to stay that way.

Michael



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10 Jun 2019, 7:24 pm #279
(10 Jun 2019, 7:21 pm)BeachBoy99 I hope X-lines isn't going to be distributed onto all of their express services... the liveries they have are fine. GNE are just standardising all of their liveries like Arriva and Stagecoach; they're really making a mistake. It's diverse now and needs to stay that way.

Sure it was confirmed, all the Express routes will be under the X-Lines brand, and normal routes under the current 2019 livery - unless branded and will be brand will absorbed in to fleet livery base, with a different colour - example - Coast and Cobalt.

I like the idea of having a separate brand for the Express routes.


Will the fleet numbers be:

Streetdecks - 6334 - 6365
E400 - 6366-6368
E200- 5488-5499

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
10 Jun 2019, 7:24 pm #279

(10 Jun 2019, 7:21 pm)BeachBoy99 I hope X-lines isn't going to be distributed onto all of their express services... the liveries they have are fine. GNE are just standardising all of their liveries like Arriva and Stagecoach; they're really making a mistake. It's diverse now and needs to stay that way.

Sure it was confirmed, all the Express routes will be under the X-Lines brand, and normal routes under the current 2019 livery - unless branded and will be brand will absorbed in to fleet livery base, with a different colour - example - Coast and Cobalt.

I like the idea of having a separate brand for the Express routes.


Will the fleet numbers be:

Streetdecks - 6334 - 6365
E400 - 6366-6368
E200- 5488-5499


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

10 Jun 2019, 7:42 pm #280

(10 Jun 2019, 7:24 pm)Michael Sure it was confirmed, all the Express routes will be under the X-Lines brand, and normal routes under the current 2019 livery - unless branded and will be brand will absorbed in to fleet livery base, with a different colour - example - Coast and Cobalt.

I like the idea of having a separate brand for the Express routes.


Will the fleet numbers be:

Streetdecks - 6334 - 6365
E400 - 6366-6368
E200- 5488-5499


Think they're just making a mistake. They have this fleet of bright and colourful liveries and they're about to be replaced by all gold. Fantastic brand strategy - not.

BeachBoy99
10 Jun 2019, 7:42 pm #280

(10 Jun 2019, 7:24 pm)Michael Sure it was confirmed, all the Express routes will be under the X-Lines brand, and normal routes under the current 2019 livery - unless branded and will be brand will absorbed in to fleet livery base, with a different colour - example - Coast and Cobalt.

I like the idea of having a separate brand for the Express routes.


Will the fleet numbers be:

Streetdecks - 6334 - 6365
E400 - 6366-6368
E200- 5488-5499


Think they're just making a mistake. They have this fleet of bright and colourful liveries and they're about to be replaced by all gold. Fantastic brand strategy - not.

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