Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(24 Oct 2021, 10:15 am)Andreos1 I can't remember it going down Durham Road to be honest, but it did benefit me going down Chester Road.
Not sure it was ever likely to be a massive money spinner on either route to be honest.
Alongside the 16x services, it had the 220/222 and 535/536.
Chester Road had all of the local stuff, plus the 638, 777, X6, 775 and 778 for distance work.
(24 Oct 2021, 10:15 am)Andreos1 I can't remember it going down Durham Road to be honest, but it did benefit me going down Chester Road.
Not sure it was ever likely to be a massive money spinner on either route to be honest.
Alongside the 16x services, it had the 220/222 and 535/536.
Chester Road had all of the local stuff, plus the 638, 777, X6, 775 and 778 for distance work.
(24 Oct 2021, 11:06 am)cbma06 Originally I’m sure the 164 originally went to South Shields before that section got cut in favour of the Sunderland to Seaburn extension, I remember when the 164 only ran every 2 hours during daytime and was an express service only stopping at certain points between Sunderland and Hetton, when ok got purchased and the 535/536 took over the 161 route and eventually became the 35/35a/36 and killed that service aswell, nothing left much now , ashame it’s all for profit now than providing a bus service to passengers, and passengers having to get 3 or 4 bus services now than rather just one journey
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(24 Oct 2021, 11:06 am)cbma06 Originally I’m sure the 164 originally went to South Shields before that section got cut in favour of the Sunderland to Seaburn extension, I remember when the 164 only ran every 2 hours during daytime and was an express service only stopping at certain points between Sunderland and Hetton, when ok got purchased and the 535/536 took over the 161 route and eventually became the 35/35a/36 and killed that service aswell, nothing left much now , ashame it’s all for profit now than providing a bus service to passengers, and passengers having to get 3 or 4 bus services now than rather just one journey
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(25 Oct 2021, 2:15 pm)ASX_Terranova Would taking on the 79/79A and Extending to Sunderland Work then.
(25 Oct 2021, 2:15 pm)ASX_Terranova Would taking on the 79/79A and Extending to Sunderland Work then.
(25 Oct 2021, 2:39 pm)cbma06 Already plenty of services going to Sunderland, I would split the 71, and have service 79 extended from Hall lane estate to Seaham, and have the Houghton to Chester section ran by new service 704 and incorporate with the 701/702/703 pvr
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(25 Oct 2021, 2:39 pm)cbma06 Already plenty of services going to Sunderland, I would split the 71, and have service 79 extended from Hall lane estate to Seaham, and have the Houghton to Chester section ran by new service 704 and incorporate with the 701/702/703 pvr
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(25 Oct 2021, 5:01 pm)Andreos1 I'd have had the peak 71 serve Rainton Bridge and Doxford Park myself.
Like it does around Seaham Enterprise Park.
Still have it run Chester - Seaham, but play about with the timings so that it is timed to connect with the trains at Seaham and open up a stack of new links at the same time. I'd have also played around with the timings, so the headway with the 78 was a bit more of a clock face.
You can probably see Seaham from Doxford Park, but there's not much chance of getting a bus between the two.
Instead punters were travelling in to Sunderland and back out again or clogging up one of the other bus routes around Silksworth, Ryhope or on the A19.
Ditto Chester and the business park (major source of employment for those in the Chester area) at Rainton Bridge.
Get an hourly bus and hope for a connection (not too bad heading there - awful heading back), use the car or take a look at the improved offering which offers direct links, but from an ops perspective it also has the potential to remove a load of traffic stuck at Woodstone Village and Fencehouses - easing pressure on the inevitably delayed and stuck 4 and 78.
Me being me, I'd have promoted it via free and paid for advertising. Can't whack a positive relationship with a business park and a load of free advertising. Multiply that by three business parks... And well all of a sudden thousands of people are aware of the service and the chances are that a proportion of them start using it.
71: as is during the day but with improved timetabling.
71P: am and pm peaks on a 30min frequency. Chester - Great Lumley - Fencehouses - Rainton Bridge - Houghton - Dox Park - A19 - Seaham (and station) - Seaham Enterprise Park.
Win win on so many levels.
They can have that suggestion on me.
(25 Oct 2021, 5:01 pm)Andreos1 I'd have had the peak 71 serve Rainton Bridge and Doxford Park myself.
Like it does around Seaham Enterprise Park.
Still have it run Chester - Seaham, but play about with the timings so that it is timed to connect with the trains at Seaham and open up a stack of new links at the same time. I'd have also played around with the timings, so the headway with the 78 was a bit more of a clock face.
You can probably see Seaham from Doxford Park, but there's not much chance of getting a bus between the two.
Instead punters were travelling in to Sunderland and back out again or clogging up one of the other bus routes around Silksworth, Ryhope or on the A19.
Ditto Chester and the business park (major source of employment for those in the Chester area) at Rainton Bridge.
Get an hourly bus and hope for a connection (not too bad heading there - awful heading back), use the car or take a look at the improved offering which offers direct links, but from an ops perspective it also has the potential to remove a load of traffic stuck at Woodstone Village and Fencehouses - easing pressure on the inevitably delayed and stuck 4 and 78.
Me being me, I'd have promoted it via free and paid for advertising. Can't whack a positive relationship with a business park and a load of free advertising. Multiply that by three business parks... And well all of a sudden thousands of people are aware of the service and the chances are that a proportion of them start using it.
71: as is during the day but with improved timetabling.
71P: am and pm peaks on a 30min frequency. Chester - Great Lumley - Fencehouses - Rainton Bridge - Houghton - Dox Park - A19 - Seaham (and station) - Seaham Enterprise Park.
Win win on so many levels.
They can have that suggestion on me.
(25 Oct 2021, 5:30 pm)cbma06 Since the 71 is secured and DCC provides the route and timetable, there must be a reason why the council hasn’t timed with the arrival of trains at Seaham etc…
There maybe an option between Doxford and Seaham , depending on demand for passengers, maybe extend service 37 from Doxford Park to Seaham via Burdon road and Burdon Lane and potentially withdrawl the 71 between Houghton and Seaham , depends if many from Seaham shop at Houghton , then the new 704 replace the 71 between Houghton and Chester
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(25 Oct 2021, 5:30 pm)cbma06 Since the 71 is secured and DCC provides the route and timetable, there must be a reason why the council hasn’t timed with the arrival of trains at Seaham etc…
There maybe an option between Doxford and Seaham , depending on demand for passengers, maybe extend service 37 from Doxford Park to Seaham via Burdon road and Burdon Lane and potentially withdrawl the 71 between Houghton and Seaham , depends if many from Seaham shop at Houghton , then the new 704 replace the 71 between Houghton and Chester
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(25 Oct 2021, 6:01 pm)Andreos1 DCC only secure it because GNE can't (or won't) make a commercial go of it. Whether it be the 238 or the 71 - they send a bus over the hill on an hourly frequency and somehow expect the population to come to it and grace the service with their presence.
Except they didn't and now DCC are having to bail them out.
If they made something of it and created a service which could flourish, DCC could maybe spend the money on something else.
I'd also argue that persevering as is with a Chester - Houghton service is as sensible as buying a boat load of igloos to sell to camels living in the Saraha.
Anything they try on that corridor needs to be different to what they're offering now. It might work with it being different. It's not going to work doing the same old over and over again. I'd have thought they'd have learned that now.
(25 Oct 2021, 6:01 pm)Andreos1 DCC only secure it because GNE can't (or won't) make a commercial go of it. Whether it be the 238 or the 71 - they send a bus over the hill on an hourly frequency and somehow expect the population to come to it and grace the service with their presence.
Except they didn't and now DCC are having to bail them out.
If they made something of it and created a service which could flourish, DCC could maybe spend the money on something else.
I'd also argue that persevering as is with a Chester - Houghton service is as sensible as buying a boat load of igloos to sell to camels living in the Saraha.
Anything they try on that corridor needs to be different to what they're offering now. It might work with it being different. It's not going to work doing the same old over and over again. I'd have thought they'd have learned that now.
Are there any non-expresses that would benefit from peak only express variatons
(26 Oct 2021, 7:59 am)ASX_Terranova Are there any non-expresses that would benefit from peak only express variatons27 and 56 particularly south of the Tyne
(26 Oct 2021, 7:59 am)ASX_Terranova Are there any non-expresses that would benefit from peak only express variatons27 and 56 particularly south of the Tyne
(26 Oct 2021, 7:59 am)ASX_Terranova Are there any non-expresses that would benefit from peak only express variatons
(26 Oct 2021, 7:59 am)ASX_Terranova Are there any non-expresses that would benefit from peak only express variatons
(26 Oct 2021, 9:31 am)cbma06 X56? all stops between park lane and concord then the old X95 route to Newcastle with stopping at Heworth, Gateshead interchange and Eldon squarePerhaps, selected stops to Washington then A195
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(26 Oct 2021, 9:31 am)cbma06 X56? all stops between park lane and concord then the old X95 route to Newcastle with stopping at Heworth, Gateshead interchange and Eldon squarePerhaps, selected stops to Washington then A195
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(26 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)54APhotography Perhaps, selected stops to Washington then A195I would like to see a 4X or a 16X, I think those could work.
27 is a desperate journey, X27 would go straight out of Shields onto A185 to Jarrow, Hebburn (Victoria Road), Pelaw and Heworth then non stop to Gateshead
(26 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)54APhotography Perhaps, selected stops to Washington then A195I would like to see a 4X or a 16X, I think those could work.
27 is a desperate journey, X27 would go straight out of Shields onto A185 to Jarrow, Hebburn (Victoria Road), Pelaw and Heworth then non stop to Gateshead
(26 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)54APhotography Perhaps, selected stops to Washington then A195
27 is a desperate journey, X27 would go straight out of Shields onto A185 to Jarrow, Hebburn (Victoria Road), Pelaw and Heworth then non stop to Gateshead
(26 Oct 2021, 10:27 am)ASX_Terranova I would like to see a 4X or a 16X, I think those could work.
I'm also in the middle of creating a timetable for an 8X.
(26 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)54APhotography Perhaps, selected stops to Washington then A195
27 is a desperate journey, X27 would go straight out of Shields onto A185 to Jarrow, Hebburn (Victoria Road), Pelaw and Heworth then non stop to Gateshead
(26 Oct 2021, 10:27 am)ASX_Terranova I would like to see a 4X or a 16X, I think those could work.
I'm also in the middle of creating a timetable for an 8X.
(26 Oct 2021, 12:47 pm)cbma06 I would do all stops between park lane to concord , if it was just selective bus stops then there be no passengers on the x56 to pay for use of the bus and drivers wages, GNE still need to make money and can’t do that if there’s potential passengers wanting to board the bus and the bus goes past themYou could say the same thing about the 21/X21.
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(26 Oct 2021, 12:47 pm)cbma06 I would do all stops between park lane to concord , if it was just selective bus stops then there be no passengers on the x56 to pay for use of the bus and drivers wages, GNE still need to make money and can’t do that if there’s potential passengers wanting to board the bus and the bus goes past themYou could say the same thing about the 21/X21.
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(26 Oct 2021, 1:01 pm)Keeiajs You could say the same thing about the 21/X21.Not really, the X21, for all intents and purposes is an entirely separate route that happens to run along the same corridor between Durham and CLS.
(26 Oct 2021, 1:01 pm)Keeiajs You could say the same thing about the 21/X21.Not really, the X21, for all intents and purposes is an entirely separate route that happens to run along the same corridor between Durham and CLS.
(26 Oct 2021, 12:47 pm)cbma06 I would do all stops between park lane to concord , if it was just selective bus stops then there be no passengers on the x56 to pay for use of the bus and drivers wages, GNE still need to make money and can’t do that if there’s potential passengers wanting to board the bus and the bus goes past them4X - Fast Version of Connections4
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What’s a 4X,16X and a 8X?
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(26 Oct 2021, 12:47 pm)cbma06 I would do all stops between park lane to concord , if it was just selective bus stops then there be no passengers on the x56 to pay for use of the bus and drivers wages, GNE still need to make money and can’t do that if there’s potential passengers wanting to board the bus and the bus goes past them4X - Fast Version of Connections4
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What’s a 4X,16X and a 8X?
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(26 Oct 2021, 2:32 pm)ASX_Terranova 4X - Fast Version of Connections4
8X- Fast Version of County Ranger 8 or 78
16X - Fast Version of Durham Diamond 16/16A
(26 Oct 2021, 2:32 pm)ASX_Terranova 4X - Fast Version of Connections4
8X- Fast Version of County Ranger 8 or 78
16X - Fast Version of Durham Diamond 16/16A
(26 Oct 2021, 2:32 pm)ASX_Terranova 4X - Fast Version of Connections4
8X- Fast Version of County Ranger 8 or 78
16X - Fast Version of Durham Diamond 16/16A
(26 Oct 2021, 2:32 pm)ASX_Terranova 4X - Fast Version of Connections4
8X- Fast Version of County Ranger 8 or 78
16X - Fast Version of Durham Diamond 16/16A
(26 Oct 2021, 12:47 pm)cbma06 I would do all stops between park lane to concord , if it was just selective bus stops then there be no passengers on the x56 to pay for use of the bus and drivers wages, GNE still need to make money and can’t do that if there’s potential passengers wanting to board the bus and the bus goes past themPeople know the difference between a 'X' and a standard bus, the selected stops would omit one on Southwick Road, one on Hylton Road North, and one on Washington Road. After that the bus would stop Nissan, Seven Houses then straightline to Concord omitting Sulgrave.
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(26 Oct 2021, 12:47 pm)cbma06 I would do all stops between park lane to concord , if it was just selective bus stops then there be no passengers on the x56 to pay for use of the bus and drivers wages, GNE still need to make money and can’t do that if there’s potential passengers wanting to board the bus and the bus goes past themPeople know the difference between a 'X' and a standard bus, the selected stops would omit one on Southwick Road, one on Hylton Road North, and one on Washington Road. After that the bus would stop Nissan, Seven Houses then straightline to Concord omitting Sulgrave.
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