Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(20 May 2022, 7:58 pm)cbma06 Looks like you can use the normal all day gne day ticket between Newcastle and Heworth, but traveling between Heworth downwards all the way to Middlesbrough the passenger has to purchase the x10 ticket which can be used on all gne services, but you can’t use the normal gne day ticket between Newcastle and Dalton Park, I think you shouldn’t be allowed to travel between Newcastle and Heworth , as you be putting off other customers and space on the bus for potential passengers traveling further south who can’t board the bus if it’s full with passengers traveling locally, northbound should be drop off only after Dalton park and pick up only between Newcastle and Dalton park southbound.
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(20 May 2022, 7:58 pm)cbma06 Looks like you can use the normal all day gne day ticket between Newcastle and Heworth, but traveling between Heworth downwards all the way to Middlesbrough the passenger has to purchase the x10 ticket which can be used on all gne services, but you can’t use the normal gne day ticket between Newcastle and Dalton Park, I think you shouldn’t be allowed to travel between Newcastle and Heworth , as you be putting off other customers and space on the bus for potential passengers traveling further south who can’t board the bus if it’s full with passengers traveling locally, northbound should be drop off only after Dalton park and pick up only between Newcastle and Dalton park southbound.
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25 & X20 Extend to Wolsingham every hour.
25 - X25 Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Wreckton via A1 between Eighton & CLS - CLS - Langley Park - Quebec - Tow Law - Wolsingham 2hrs 15mins With a 15 min layover each end PVR 10 (Voyager's)
X20 - Sunderland - Houghton - Durham - Arnison Centre - Langley park - Quebec - Tow Law - Wolsingham. 2hours 15 mins, 15 min layover each end. PVR 10 - 5369-5376 + 8339-40.
If you need to tail X25 at Gateshead due to Euro 6 requirements you could always put a barcode on singles and returns for them to be accepted on the 21 or X21 or X1 between Gateshead and Newcastle
(21 May 2022, 3:02 pm)Unber43 25 & X20 Extend to Wolsingham every hour.
25 - X25 Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Wreckton via A1 between Eighton & CLS - CLS - Langley Park - Quebec - Tow Law - Wolsingham 2hrs 15mins With a 15 min layover each end PVR 10 (Voyager's)
X20 - Sunderland - Houghton - Durham - Arnison Centre - Langley park - Quebec - Tow Law - Wolsingham. 2hours 15 mins, 15 min layover each end. PVR 10 - 5369-5376 + 8339-40.
If you need to tail X25 at Gateshead due to Euro 6 requirements you could always put a barcode on singles and returns for them to be accepted on the 21 or X21 or X1 between Gateshead and Newcastle
(21 May 2022, 3:02 pm)Unber43 25 & X20 Extend to Wolsingham every hour.
25 - X25 Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Wreckton via A1 between Eighton & CLS - CLS - Langley Park - Quebec - Tow Law - Wolsingham 2hrs 15mins With a 15 min layover each end PVR 10 (Voyager's)
X20 - Sunderland - Houghton - Durham - Arnison Centre - Langley park - Quebec - Tow Law - Wolsingham. 2hours 15 mins, 15 min layover each end. PVR 10 - 5369-5376 + 8339-40.
If you need to tail X25 at Gateshead due to Euro 6 requirements you could always put a barcode on singles and returns for them to be accepted on the 21 or X21 or X1 between Gateshead and Newcastle
(21 May 2022, 10:06 pm)Unber43 Honestly I think it could, if GNE sent leaflets around the areas etc
(21 May 2022, 10:06 pm)Unber43 Honestly I think it could, if GNE sent leaflets around the areas etc
(21 May 2022, 10:11 pm)peter I think you're being overly optimistic. If the demand was there Arriva's X46 would run past Crook more than once a day and Weardale's X6 would run more than 2 days a week. Certainly there would be no more demand than there is for existing services proposed for withdrawal.
(21 May 2022, 10:11 pm)peter I think you're being overly optimistic. If the demand was there Arriva's X46 would run past Crook more than once a day and Weardale's X6 would run more than 2 days a week. Certainly there would be no more demand than there is for existing services proposed for withdrawal.
(21 May 2022, 10:11 pm)peter I think you're being overly optimistic. If the demand was there Arriva's X46 would run past Crook more than once a day and Weardale's X6 would run more than 2 days a week. Certainly there would be no more demand than there is for existing services proposed for withdrawal.
(21 May 2022, 10:11 pm)peter I think you're being overly optimistic. If the demand was there Arriva's X46 would run past Crook more than once a day and Weardale's X6 would run more than 2 days a week. Certainly there would be no more demand than there is for existing services proposed for withdrawal.
I've done this timetable that will save parts of the 28/28A & 82. Hopefully Nexus can cover the bits I've missed.
(23 May 2022, 11:13 am)ASX_Terranova I've done this timetable that will save parts of the 28/28A & 82. Hopefully Nexus can cover the bits I've missed.
(23 May 2022, 11:13 am)ASX_Terranova I've done this timetable that will save parts of the 28/28A & 82. Hopefully Nexus can cover the bits I've missed.
Just spitballing a couple of ideas:
2/2A: Withdrawn between Silksworth & Sunderland
35/35A: Withdrawn between Sunderland & Heworth, then extended back to Shields, replacing the 20 (no need for the 24). 35A to Rainton Bridge rather than Moorsley now half-hourly all day providing 15-min headway Shields - Sunderland (this is basically how it was before it was diverted to Boldon, just a different frequency).
New route (I'm numbering it the 42 for historical reasons) Silksworth - Sunderland - TEF covering withdrawn sections of 2A and 35.
(23 May 2022, 10:06 pm)F114TML Just spitballing a couple of ideas:The 56/8/9 Covers a lot of the 35 route from Sunderland - Bolden. Really if needs be due to contracts 135/136 could be extended to Heworth as they are only in Mornings and evenings
2/2A: Withdrawn between Silksworth & Sunderland
35/35A: Withdrawn between Sunderland & Heworth, then extended back to Shields, replacing the 20 (no need for the 24). 35A to Rainton Bridge rather than Moorsley now half-hourly all day providing 15-min headway Shields - Sunderland (this is basically how it was before it was diverted to Boldon, just a different frequency).
New route (I'm numbering it the 42 for historical reasons) Silksworth - Sunderland - TEF covering withdrawn sections of 2A and 35.
(23 May 2022, 10:06 pm)F114TML Just spitballing a couple of ideas:The 56/8/9 Covers a lot of the 35 route from Sunderland - Bolden. Really if needs be due to contracts 135/136 could be extended to Heworth as they are only in Mornings and evenings
2/2A: Withdrawn between Silksworth & Sunderland
35/35A: Withdrawn between Sunderland & Heworth, then extended back to Shields, replacing the 20 (no need for the 24). 35A to Rainton Bridge rather than Moorsley now half-hourly all day providing 15-min headway Shields - Sunderland (this is basically how it was before it was diverted to Boldon, just a different frequency).
New route (I'm numbering it the 42 for historical reasons) Silksworth - Sunderland - TEF covering withdrawn sections of 2A and 35.
(23 May 2022, 10:09 pm)Unber43 The 56/8/9 Covers a lot of the 35 route from Sunderland - Bolden. Really if needs be due to contracts 135/136 could be extended to Heworth as they are only in Mornings and eveningsTEF = Town End Farm, the proposed new terminus of the 35. The 35 (and my 42) make links to Hylton Riverside from North Sunderland, though, and tbh the 8 and 56 don't cover the 35 that well without relying on Stagecoach.
Whats TEF?
2/A/B
2 - Current Route to Washington then 85 route to Concord.
2A Current Route then Part of the 84.
2B - Sunderland - A690 - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - 82 Route to Birtley
Every 10 mins.
(23 May 2022, 10:09 pm)Unber43 The 56/8/9 Covers a lot of the 35 route from Sunderland - Bolden. Really if needs be due to contracts 135/136 could be extended to Heworth as they are only in Mornings and eveningsTEF = Town End Farm, the proposed new terminus of the 35. The 35 (and my 42) make links to Hylton Riverside from North Sunderland, though, and tbh the 8 and 56 don't cover the 35 that well without relying on Stagecoach.
Whats TEF?
2/A/B
2 - Current Route to Washington then 85 route to Concord.
2A Current Route then Part of the 84.
2B - Sunderland - A690 - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - 82 Route to Birtley
Every 10 mins.
(23 May 2022, 10:17 pm)F114TML TEF = Town End Farm, the proposed new terminus of the 35. The 35 (and my 42) make links to Hylton Riverside from North Sunderland, though, and tbh the 8 and 56 don't cover the 35 that well without relying on Stagecoach.42/43
(23 May 2022, 10:17 pm)F114TML TEF = Town End Farm, the proposed new terminus of the 35. The 35 (and my 42) make links to Hylton Riverside from North Sunderland, though, and tbh the 8 and 56 don't cover the 35 that well without relying on Stagecoach.42/43
Re-Do of Sunderland
2 - Current Route to Washington then 85 route to Concord.
2A Current Route then Part of the 84.
2B - Sunderland - A690 - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - 82 Route to Birtley (together every 10 mins)
5 & 26 extended to Sunderland via Whitburn & Horsley Every 30 mins each
9 No Change.
20 - No Change (15)
X20 (avoid rainton to let 35 get passengers)
32/33 (1ph) - 32 go via Tunstall Road into Stand E.
35/36 Low - Moorsley (every 30 mins) - South Shields Stand P & M every 15 mins 36 avoids Herrington, instead through Farringdon & Thorney.
38/A - Docks Circular Stand S
39/40 Doxford - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - Pennywell - Ford Estate - MillField - Sunderland Park Lane Stand R & P) - Toward Road - Ryhope - Tunstall - Doxford. Every 15 mins
55 - Peterlee - Hetton - Houghton - A690 - Doxford (20 way) - Moorside - Farringdon - Thorney - Thornhill - Sunderland Stand P (Every 30 mins)
56 ( No Change )
60 (no change)
61 ( Solo Every 20 mins, refurbed 647-650 ) Send it via Queen alexandra Road
62 Re-Time to leave 30 mins before the X6, extend it upto Parkside - Peterlee - Shotton.
Fleet Allocation predictions for July 2022 changes - deckers
Option 1 - Most likely
StreetDeck:
- 6331, 6356-62, 6377 - X21
- 6363 - X1
- 6332-33 - Washington Spare
E400:
- 6338-40 - X30/X31
- 6341-49 - X45/X71/X72
- 6350-51 - Consett Spare
B5TL:
- 6308-13 - 47
- 6314, 6334-35 - CLS Spare
B9TL:
- 6043-43 - Riverside (1x spare and 1x 58)
- 6045-48 - X5/X15
Option 2 - Unlikely but possible if Riverside take evening & Sunday X30 boards
StreetDeck:
- 6333, 6356-62, 6377 - X45/X71/X72
- 6363 - X1
- 6331-32 - Washington Spare
E400:
- 6338-39 - Consett Spare
- 6340-42 - X30/X31
- 6343-51 - X21
B5TL:
- 6308-13 - 47
- 6314, 6334-35 - CLS Spare
B9TL:
- 6043-43 - Riverside (1x spare and 1x 58)
- 6045-48 - X5/X15
Option 3 - Unlikely unless GNE wanted to dilute the XLines brand and X45
StreetDeck:
- 6331-33 - CLS Spare
- 6356-61 - 47
- 6362-63 X1
- 6376-77 - Washington Spare
E400:
- 6338-40 - X30/X31
- 6341-49 - X45/X71/X72
- 6350-51 - Consett Spare
B5TL:
- Unchanged from now
B9TL:
- 6043-43 - Riverside (1x spare and 1x 58)
- 6045-48 - X5/X15
(23 May 2022, 11:01 pm)Unber43 Re-Do of SunderlandSome of these suggestions are a non starter. GNE are never going to run services through Sunderland estates. Natural SNE territory. GNE should concentrate on District services, linking Sunderland to Co Durham. The TWPTE 1985 timetable ‘bible’ offers some great routes.
2 - Current Route to Washington then 85 route to Concord.
2A Current Route then Part of the 84.
2B - Sunderland - A690 - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - 82 Route to Birtley (together every 10 mins)
5 & 26 extended to Sunderland via Whitburn & Horsley Every 30 mins each
9 No Change.
20 - No Change (15)
X20 (avoid rainton to let 35 get passengers)
32/33 (1ph) - 32 go via Tunstall Road into Stand E.
35/36 Low - Moorsley (every 30 mins) - South Shields Stand P & M every 15 mins 36 avoids Herrington, instead through Farringdon & Thorney.
38/A - Docks Circular Stand S
39/40 Doxford - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - Pennywell - Ford Estate - MillField - Sunderland Park Lane Stand R & P) - Toward Road - Ryhope - Tunstall - Doxford. Every 15 mins
55 - Peterlee - Hetton - Houghton - A690 - Doxford (20 way) - Moorside - Farringdon - Thorney - Thornhill - Sunderland Stand P (Every 30 mins)
56 ( No Change )
60 (no change)
61 ( Solo Every 20 mins, refurbed 647-650 ) Send it via Queen alexandra Road
62 Re-Time to leave 30 mins before the X6, extend it upto Parkside - Peterlee - Shotton.
(23 May 2022, 11:01 pm)Unber43 Re-Do of SunderlandSome of these suggestions are a non starter. GNE are never going to run services through Sunderland estates. Natural SNE territory. GNE should concentrate on District services, linking Sunderland to Co Durham. The TWPTE 1985 timetable ‘bible’ offers some great routes.
2 - Current Route to Washington then 85 route to Concord.
2A Current Route then Part of the 84.
2B - Sunderland - A690 - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - 82 Route to Birtley (together every 10 mins)
5 & 26 extended to Sunderland via Whitburn & Horsley Every 30 mins each
9 No Change.
20 - No Change (15)
X20 (avoid rainton to let 35 get passengers)
32/33 (1ph) - 32 go via Tunstall Road into Stand E.
35/36 Low - Moorsley (every 30 mins) - South Shields Stand P & M every 15 mins 36 avoids Herrington, instead through Farringdon & Thorney.
38/A - Docks Circular Stand S
39/40 Doxford - Thorney - Grindon - Hastings - Pennywell - Ford Estate - MillField - Sunderland Park Lane Stand R & P) - Toward Road - Ryhope - Tunstall - Doxford. Every 15 mins
55 - Peterlee - Hetton - Houghton - A690 - Doxford (20 way) - Moorside - Farringdon - Thorney - Thornhill - Sunderland Stand P (Every 30 mins)
56 ( No Change )
60 (no change)
61 ( Solo Every 20 mins, refurbed 647-650 ) Send it via Queen alexandra Road
62 Re-Time to leave 30 mins before the X6, extend it upto Parkside - Peterlee - Shotton.
On a slightly different note, I was just wondering how route timings are worked out? Currently on a Red Kite Ranger 47 from Consett. Left on time at 10 56, due at Chopwell at 11 22 but didn't get there till 11.29, 7 mins late and there wasn't a great deal of stops and the driver didn't hang about either. Just felt it was impossible to keep to time.
(02 Jun 2022, 10:32 am)Tiger5105 On a slightly different note, I was just wondering how route timings are worked out? Currently on a Red Kite Ranger 47 from Consett. Left on time at 10 56, due at Chopwell at 11 22 but didn't get there till 11.29, 7 mins late and there wasn't a great deal of stops and the driver didn't hang about either. Just felt it was impossible to keep to time.Worked out by people who dont drive the routes, they look at maps and a supposedly clever computer programme works it out, it doesn't work in real time especially on sunday timetables on a weekday (all be it a bank holiday) they are designed for no traffic, no stopping at traffic lights and definitely not stopping for passengers, you could not do some times in a car never mind a bus
(02 Jun 2022, 10:32 am)Tiger5105 On a slightly different note, I was just wondering how route timings are worked out? Currently on a Red Kite Ranger 47 from Consett. Left on time at 10 56, due at Chopwell at 11 22 but didn't get there till 11.29, 7 mins late and there wasn't a great deal of stops and the driver didn't hang about either. Just felt it was impossible to keep to time.Worked out by people who dont drive the routes, they look at maps and a supposedly clever computer programme works it out, it doesn't work in real time especially on sunday timetables on a weekday (all be it a bank holiday) they are designed for no traffic, no stopping at traffic lights and definitely not stopping for passengers, you could not do some times in a car never mind a bus
