Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
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Service Manager, Coatham Connect
If you look at the way things are going generally with Covid funding coming to an end and service cuts on the horizon - do you honestly think they’ll be increasing the PVR?
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Having a look at the 306 & 308 including a potential depot consolidation, Arriva & GNE could perhaps be looking a BSIP friendly approach to their retrospective changes given they're both happening at the same time?
If Arriva reduced both the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, dropping the 306 out of Battle Hill (saving 3 mins in either direction) but still keeping the Tynemouth to Whitley Bay section, they could comfortably interwork with a PVR of 14x (down from 18x) and, a relatively combined frequency could be provided from both Arriva's 308 & GNE's 309.
ANE 308
308 Blyth/NCL: 00:23 - 01:29
308 NCL/Blyth (interworked from 306): 01:27 - 02:30
GoNE 309
309 Blyth/NCL: 00:10 - 01:17
309 (interworked from 311) NCL/Blyth: 01:17 - 02:23
308 & 306 interworking pattern
308 - Blyth: 00:23
308- NCL: 01:29
306 - NCL: 01:37
306 - WBay: 02:35
306 - WBay: 02:40
306 - NCL: 03:39
308 - NCL: 03:47
308 - Blyth: 04:50
Are the 306/308 both double decker routes now?
I'll be using the 306 this week (finally using Arriva, having not done so in around 16 years) and I'm hoping for a Pulsar (Streetlites rattle too much). What is usually on the 52/54?
(13 Feb 2022, 12:47 pm)OrangeArrow49 Are the 306/308 both double decker routes now?52/54 are normally Streetlites. 306 is a mix of everything although single deck on paper
I'll be using the 306 this week (finally using Arriva, having not done so in around 16 years) and I'm hoping for a Pulsar (Streetlites rattle too much). What is usually on the 52/54?
(13 Feb 2022, 12:47 pm)OrangeArrow49 Are the 306/308 both double decker routes now?52/54 are normally Streetlites. 306 is a mix of everything although single deck on paper
I'll be using the 306 this week (finally using Arriva, having not done so in around 16 years) and I'm hoping for a Pulsar (Streetlites rattle too much). What is usually on the 52/54?
(13 Feb 2022, 1:12 pm)L469 YVK 52/54 are normally Streetlites. 306 is a mix of everything although single deck on paper
(13 Feb 2022, 1:12 pm)L469 YVK 52/54 are normally Streetlites. 306 is a mix of everything although single deck on paper
To be honest, the current Saturday PVR of both the 306 & 308 is already 14x with the 308 having a tight layover in Blyth.
Interworking and reducing the main frequency to every 20 mins each would reduce the PVR by 22-23%. And keeping the 306 out of Battle Hill would be a win/win for both operators. GNE having Battle Hill - Newcastle in full with Arriva providing a 'solid' 10 minute service between Billy Mill and Station Road rather than having the 308 sitting in front taking the brunt. Not forgetting the 308 & 309 working more in sync rather than against each other.
(13 Feb 2022, 1:12 pm)L469 YVK 52/54 are normally Streetlites. 306 is a mix of everything although single deck on paper
To be honest, the current Saturday PVR of both the 306 & 308 is already 14x with the 308 having a tight layover in Blyth.
Interworking and reducing the main frequency to every 20 mins each would reduce the PVR by 22-23%. And keeping the 306 out of Battle Hill would be a win/win for both operators. GNE having Battle Hill - Newcastle in full with Arriva providing a 'solid' 10 minute service between Billy Mill and Station Road rather than having the 308 sitting in front taking the brunt. Not forgetting the 308 & 309 working more in sync rather than against each other.
(11 Feb 2022, 4:09 pm)Michael PB0002032/341
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(11 Feb 2022, 4:09 pm)Michael PB0002032/341
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD X9 (X9) Blyth Newcastle
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Effective date is 27 Mar 2022
(22 Feb 2022, 3:50 pm)citybus1979 https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation/it...h-tyneside
(22 Feb 2022, 3:50 pm)citybus1979 https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation/it...h-tyneside
Looks like the Traveline site has been updated with the new timetables for Arriva so far I can see:
X7 - Serving Amersham Drive all day now, last bus 23:10, no other changes
X8 - Last bus 20:40 out of Newcastle, now does the X9 route from Cramlington to Blyth
X9 - Last bus 22:35 out of Newcastle, now does the X8 route from Cramlington to Blyth
I can't see changes in anything else seem all minor changes other than the already mentioned 55 changes so they've either not been uploaded yet or there's not much changing including the 306/308 still both being every 15 minutes. The 46/46A/52 aren't online yet though so assuming routes relating to tenders are delayed.
That X8 is setup to fail so that will be getting withdrawn before long. The X8/X9 swap generally is a good move though imo, gives Beacon Hill and the new estate an evening service and North Blyth get a slightly quicker service. No-one really loses out with the X8 as it's covered by the 43/X7 mostly anyway.
Arriva must be commercially tactical here and I believe the Blyth and Newcastle link may operate at a loss for the next few years for a very specific reason
CAMBOIS
Think about it Cambis is getting a huge Giga Factory being built its like a Nissan Factory or Amazon factory on a large scale employing thousands- do you think Arriva will want to maintain services and cash in on increased workers and passengers?
Best example I can give is look at Amazon at Follingsby Park
Dan and the Team at GNE have worked endlessly to create additional services including short routes to Washington and Heworth to connect with other services creating a discreet shuttle service bus incorporating a normal bus service
This Giga Plant in Cambois near Blyth is absolutely huge massive and you think Arriva don't want to cash in on this?
Remove a service its open for competition to step in keep it twig it and possibly run it at a loss for a few years (with long term revenue potential) is in the longer term financially viable
Another issue regarding Battlehill is residents prefer to use 306 and GNE 309 as its "quicker"
On paper you are saving 3mins by going direct along the coast Road towards Newcastle. For 3 minutes you are missing conncections to a bingo approx 8 bus stops including outside a shopping centre (Lidl shops etc )
To save 3 minutes as someone said I think it's about 5 personally in return for picking say 10 passengers heading towards Newcastle so say £2 a head and creating competition with GNE services
Think about it keep the service running through Battlehill because if you don't you give monopoly away of an area and we have seen what happens when services have a monopoly they bite little by little making a 10 min service to a 12 min service to a 15min service to a 20 min service then a 30min service
Think about it keeping competition on service routes keeps bus routes
Think about it
(24 Feb 2022, 12:20 am)DaveFromUpNorth Arriva must be commercially tactical here and I believe the Blyth and Newcastle link may operate at a loss for the next few years for a very specific reasonAs DB are desperate to get rid of Arriva I’m not sure they would be interested in any long term gains especially if if means short to medium term losses.
CAMBOIS
Think about it Cambis is getting a huge Giga Factory being built its like a Nissan Factory or Amazon factory on a large scale employing thousands- do you think Arriva will want to maintain services and cash in on increased workers and passengers?
Best example I can give is look at Amazon at Follingsby Park
Dan and the Team at GNE have worked endlessly to create additional services including short routes to Washington and Heworth to connect with other services creating a discreet shuttle service bus incorporating a normal bus service
This Giga Plant in Cambois near Blyth is absolutely huge massive and you think Arriva don't want to cash in on this?
Remove a service its open for competition to step in keep it twig it and possibly run it at a loss for a few years (with long term revenue potential) is in the longer term financially viable
Another issue regarding Battlehill is residents prefer to use 306 and GNE 309 as its "quicker"
On paper you are saving 3mins by going direct along the coast Road towards Newcastle. For 3 minutes you are missing conncections to a bingo approx 8 bus stops including outside a shopping centre (Lidl shops etc )
To save 3 minutes as someone said I think it's about 5 personally in return for picking say 10 passengers heading towards Newcastle so say £2 a head and creating competition with GNE services
Think about it keep the service running through Battlehill because if you don't you give monopoly away of an area and we have seen what happens when services have a monopoly they bite little by little making a 10 min service to a 12 min service to a 15min service to a 20 min service then a 30min service
Think about it keeping competition on service routes keeps bus routes
Think about it
(24 Feb 2022, 12:20 am)DaveFromUpNorth Arriva must be commercially tactical here and I believe the Blyth and Newcastle link may operate at a loss for the next few years for a very specific reasonAs DB are desperate to get rid of Arriva I’m not sure they would be interested in any long term gains especially if if means short to medium term losses.
CAMBOIS
Think about it Cambis is getting a huge Giga Factory being built its like a Nissan Factory or Amazon factory on a large scale employing thousands- do you think Arriva will want to maintain services and cash in on increased workers and passengers?
Best example I can give is look at Amazon at Follingsby Park
Dan and the Team at GNE have worked endlessly to create additional services including short routes to Washington and Heworth to connect with other services creating a discreet shuttle service bus incorporating a normal bus service
This Giga Plant in Cambois near Blyth is absolutely huge massive and you think Arriva don't want to cash in on this?
Remove a service its open for competition to step in keep it twig it and possibly run it at a loss for a few years (with long term revenue potential) is in the longer term financially viable
Another issue regarding Battlehill is residents prefer to use 306 and GNE 309 as its "quicker"
On paper you are saving 3mins by going direct along the coast Road towards Newcastle. For 3 minutes you are missing conncections to a bingo approx 8 bus stops including outside a shopping centre (Lidl shops etc )
To save 3 minutes as someone said I think it's about 5 personally in return for picking say 10 passengers heading towards Newcastle so say £2 a head and creating competition with GNE services
Think about it keep the service running through Battlehill because if you don't you give monopoly away of an area and we have seen what happens when services have a monopoly they bite little by little making a 10 min service to a 12 min service to a 15min service to a 20 min service then a 30min service
Think about it keeping competition on service routes keeps bus routes
Think about it
(24 Feb 2022, 12:57 am)Bazza As DB are desperate to get rid of Arriva I’m not sure they would be interested in any long term gains especially if if means short to medium term losses.
(24 Feb 2022, 12:57 am)Bazza As DB are desperate to get rid of Arriva I’m not sure they would be interested in any long term gains especially if if means short to medium term losses.
(24 Feb 2022, 1:28 am)Cobalt271 What you are implying there makes little sense - it is local Depot/Network Management which changes routes & timetables and not senior management relating to DB.
(24 Feb 2022, 1:28 am)Cobalt271 What you are implying there makes little sense - it is local Depot/Network Management which changes routes & timetables and not senior management relating to DB.
308, it looks like the short journeys will terminate at the Silverlink as opposed to Billy Mill. Makes sense as the drivers can then just boot it up the A19 light back to Blyth.
Arriva must have some confidence keeping the Monday-Friday 306 & 308 frequency at every 15 minutes. Unless that will change when operations eventually move to Blyth?
(24 Feb 2022, 11:15 am)L469 YVK 308, it looks like the short journeys will terminate at the Silverlink as opposed to Billy Mill. Makes sense as the drivers can then just boot it up the A19 light back to Blyth.
Arriva must have some confidence keeping the Monday-Friday 306 & 308 frequency at every 15 minutes. Unless that will change when operations eventually move to Blyth?
(24 Feb 2022, 11:15 am)L469 YVK 308, it looks like the short journeys will terminate at the Silverlink as opposed to Billy Mill. Makes sense as the drivers can then just boot it up the A19 light back to Blyth.
Arriva must have some confidence keeping the Monday-Friday 306 & 308 frequency at every 15 minutes. Unless that will change when operations eventually move to Blyth?
(23 Feb 2022, 11:43 pm)Storx Looks like the Traveline site has been updated with the new timetables for Arriva so far I can see:So if I'm right, the "new" X9 does the current X8 route to Shankhouse roundabout then via High Pit following the "current" X9 route to Newcastle?
X7 - Serving Amersham Drive all day now, last bus 23:10, no other changes
X8 - Last bus 20:40 out of Newcastle, now does the X9 route from Cramlington to Blyth
X9 - Last bus 22:35 out of Newcastle, now does the X8 route from Cramlington to Blyth
(23 Feb 2022, 11:43 pm)Storx Looks like the Traveline site has been updated with the new timetables for Arriva so far I can see:So if I'm right, the "new" X9 does the current X8 route to Shankhouse roundabout then via High Pit following the "current" X9 route to Newcastle?
X7 - Serving Amersham Drive all day now, last bus 23:10, no other changes
X8 - Last bus 20:40 out of Newcastle, now does the X9 route from Cramlington to Blyth
X9 - Last bus 22:35 out of Newcastle, now does the X8 route from Cramlington to Blyth
(24 Feb 2022, 12:12 pm)L469 YVK So if I'm right, the "new" X9 does the current X8 route to Shankhouse roundabout then via High Pit following the "current" X9 route to Newcastle?
Then the "new X8" does the current X9 route to Shankhouse then via Durham Road following the "current" X8 route to Newcastle?
These are actually a really positive set of changes to be honest and got to give Arriva credit where it's due. Only criticism is that they should drop the "X" from the X8 and renumber to something like the 367.
Or.....renumber the X7 and X8 to 367/368 (still marketing as limited stop where appropriate) and that would give a clean network of actual 'X' routes from Blyth, them being the X9 & X10/X11
(24 Feb 2022, 12:12 pm)L469 YVK So if I'm right, the "new" X9 does the current X8 route to Shankhouse roundabout then via High Pit following the "current" X9 route to Newcastle?
Then the "new X8" does the current X9 route to Shankhouse then via Durham Road following the "current" X8 route to Newcastle?
These are actually a really positive set of changes to be honest and got to give Arriva credit where it's due. Only criticism is that they should drop the "X" from the X8 and renumber to something like the 367.
Or.....renumber the X7 and X8 to 367/368 (still marketing as limited stop where appropriate) and that would give a clean network of actual 'X' routes from Blyth, them being the X9 & X10/X11
