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Unber43



3,556
17 Aug 2022, 7:06 pm #2,761
(17 Aug 2022, 6:22 pm)Andreos1 Once the second platform is sorted at Hartlepool, I reckon it will free up a bit more space on that line.
It was meant to happen with NorthernConnect or whatever that was some years ago. 

If would be interesting if anyone had an statistics on whether that East Durham Coast Line or whatever its called has had a increase or decrease of passengers from pre-pandemic. 

If they haven't lost any it definitely shows the X10 is just losing passengers I've only seen the 17:00 from EldonSquare come anywhere close to busy
Unber43
17 Aug 2022, 7:06 pm #2,761

(17 Aug 2022, 6:22 pm)Andreos1 Once the second platform is sorted at Hartlepool, I reckon it will free up a bit more space on that line.
It was meant to happen with NorthernConnect or whatever that was some years ago. 

If would be interesting if anyone had an statistics on whether that East Durham Coast Line or whatever its called has had a increase or decrease of passengers from pre-pandemic. 

If they haven't lost any it definitely shows the X10 is just losing passengers I've only seen the 17:00 from EldonSquare come anywhere close to busy

F114TML



909
17 Aug 2022, 7:15 pm #2,762
We'll have to wait until November for the stats not affected (too much) by the covid. However, 4-car trains are now a semi-regular sight so I think that should at least give an idea.
F114TML
17 Aug 2022, 7:15 pm #2,762

We'll have to wait until November for the stats not affected (too much) by the covid. However, 4-car trains are now a semi-regular sight so I think that should at least give an idea.

Andreos1



14,232
17 Aug 2022, 7:31 pm #2,763
(17 Aug 2022, 7:06 pm)Unber43 It was meant to happen with NorthernConnect or whatever that was some years ago. 

If would be interesting if anyone had an statistics on whether that East Durham Coast Line or whatever its called has had a increase or decrease of passengers from pre-pandemic. 

If they haven't lost any it definitely shows the X10 is just losing passengers I've only seen the 17:00 from EldonSquare come anywhere close to busy

They're wanting it done before the Tall Ships happen next year. 
Whether it happens or not, is another thing. But funding is secured as far as I know.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
17 Aug 2022, 7:31 pm #2,763

(17 Aug 2022, 7:06 pm)Unber43 It was meant to happen with NorthernConnect or whatever that was some years ago. 

If would be interesting if anyone had an statistics on whether that East Durham Coast Line or whatever its called has had a increase or decrease of passengers from pre-pandemic. 

If they haven't lost any it definitely shows the X10 is just losing passengers I've only seen the 17:00 from EldonSquare come anywhere close to busy

They're wanting it done before the Tall Ships happen next year. 
Whether it happens or not, is another thing. But funding is secured as far as I know.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Storx



4,606
17 Aug 2022, 9:39 pm #2,764
(17 Aug 2022, 6:22 pm)Andreos1 Once the second platform is sorted at Hartlepool, I reckon it will free up a bit more space on that line.

I'm not sure if it's possible. I know there's big problems between Sunderland (including the station) and Pelaw with the Metro trains and lack of capacity there aswell but hopefully they can find a way.

(17 Aug 2022, 7:06 pm)Unber43 It was meant to happen with NorthernConnect or whatever that was some years ago. 

If would be interesting if anyone had an statistics on whether that East Durham Coast Line or whatever its called has had a increase or decrease of passengers from pre-pandemic. 

If they haven't lost any it definitely shows the X10 is just losing passengers I've only seen the 17:00 from EldonSquare come anywhere close to busy

Northern Connect was never planned to go along the Durham Coast Line, that was planned to do Newcastle, (Chester Le Street), Durham, Stockton, Thornaby, Middlesbrough. I'm not 100% sure on CLS but the rest is 100% right.

Lack of paths killed that though but there's a spare path now so maybe that might be the alternative to above to avoid the Sunderland issues. It would also give a direct train between Durham and Teesside which doesn't exist atm which would get all the passengers doing the Teesside to Newcastle avoiding the Durham Coast Line, leaving capacity for locals. (Stillington is quicker, 55 minutes between the two).
Storx
17 Aug 2022, 9:39 pm #2,764

(17 Aug 2022, 6:22 pm)Andreos1 Once the second platform is sorted at Hartlepool, I reckon it will free up a bit more space on that line.

I'm not sure if it's possible. I know there's big problems between Sunderland (including the station) and Pelaw with the Metro trains and lack of capacity there aswell but hopefully they can find a way.

(17 Aug 2022, 7:06 pm)Unber43 It was meant to happen with NorthernConnect or whatever that was some years ago. 

If would be interesting if anyone had an statistics on whether that East Durham Coast Line or whatever its called has had a increase or decrease of passengers from pre-pandemic. 

If they haven't lost any it definitely shows the X10 is just losing passengers I've only seen the 17:00 from EldonSquare come anywhere close to busy

Northern Connect was never planned to go along the Durham Coast Line, that was planned to do Newcastle, (Chester Le Street), Durham, Stockton, Thornaby, Middlesbrough. I'm not 100% sure on CLS but the rest is 100% right.

Lack of paths killed that though but there's a spare path now so maybe that might be the alternative to above to avoid the Sunderland issues. It would also give a direct train between Durham and Teesside which doesn't exist atm which would get all the passengers doing the Teesside to Newcastle avoiding the Durham Coast Line, leaving capacity for locals. (Stillington is quicker, 55 minutes between the two).

Unber43



3,556
18 Aug 2022, 4:49 am #2,765
(17 Aug 2022, 7:15 pm)F114TML We'll have to wait until November for the stats not affected (too much) by the covid. However, 4-car trains are now a semi-regular sight so I think that should at least give an idea.
4 Car Trains should be the minimum.
Unber43
18 Aug 2022, 4:49 am #2,765

(17 Aug 2022, 7:15 pm)F114TML We'll have to wait until November for the stats not affected (too much) by the covid. However, 4-car trains are now a semi-regular sight so I think that should at least give an idea.
4 Car Trains should be the minimum.

peter



993
18 Aug 2022, 10:03 am #2,766
(17 Aug 2022, 7:15 pm)F114TML We'll have to wait until November for the stats not affected (too much) by the covid. However, 4-car trains are now a semi-regular sight so I think that should at least give an idea.

4 car trains aren't all that regular during your average week, the only ones allocated are the 11:59 Whitby to Hexham, 15:56 Hexham to Whitby and 15:58 and from Whitby as far as Newcastle, which is generally all you get according to RTT.
peter
18 Aug 2022, 10:03 am #2,766

(17 Aug 2022, 7:15 pm)F114TML We'll have to wait until November for the stats not affected (too much) by the covid. However, 4-car trains are now a semi-regular sight so I think that should at least give an idea.

4 car trains aren't all that regular during your average week, the only ones allocated are the 11:59 Whitby to Hexham, 15:56 Hexham to Whitby and 15:58 and from Whitby as far as Newcastle, which is generally all you get according to RTT.

Andreos1



14,232
18 Aug 2022, 10:20 am #2,767
(18 Aug 2022, 10:03 am)peter 4 car trains aren't all that regular during your average week, the only ones allocated are the 11:59 Whitby to Hexham, 15:56 Hexham to Whitby and 15:58 and from Whitby as far as Newcastle, which is generally all you get according to RTT.
Quite often sets have been coupled together at places such as Middlesbrough when there's been an on-board staffing shortage of one type or the other. 

Train is cancelled and the following one joins together. Not only does it clear the tracks, but often gets it back to the depot or Darlington.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
18 Aug 2022, 10:20 am #2,767

(18 Aug 2022, 10:03 am)peter 4 car trains aren't all that regular during your average week, the only ones allocated are the 11:59 Whitby to Hexham, 15:56 Hexham to Whitby and 15:58 and from Whitby as far as Newcastle, which is generally all you get according to RTT.
Quite often sets have been coupled together at places such as Middlesbrough when there's been an on-board staffing shortage of one type or the other. 

Train is cancelled and the following one joins together. Not only does it clear the tracks, but often gets it back to the depot or Darlington.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Jimmi



10,971
21 Aug 2022, 10:34 pm #2,768
(15 Aug 2022, 9:18 pm)peter Another minor change from 4th September, the afternoon timetable on the X75/76 will see journeys retimed by up to 10 minutes.

Other changes from September 4th are:

865: morning journey retimed to run 5 minutes earlier throughout.

ED2: the lunchtime short journeys between Houghton-le-Spring and EDC Peterlee are withdrawn.
Jimmi
21 Aug 2022, 10:34 pm #2,768

(15 Aug 2022, 9:18 pm)peter Another minor change from 4th September, the afternoon timetable on the X75/76 will see journeys retimed by up to 10 minutes.

Other changes from September 4th are:

865: morning journey retimed to run 5 minutes earlier throughout.

ED2: the lunchtime short journeys between Houghton-le-Spring and EDC Peterlee are withdrawn.

Michael



19,175
11 Sep 2022, 9:04 am #2,769
Changes for 31.10.22

PB0002717/387
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 1X93 (X93) Middlesbrough Guisborough

PB0002717/388
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 2X93 (X93) Guisborough Whitby

PB0002717/389
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 3X93 (X93) Whitby Scarborough


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4th September:

PB0002032/63
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 2685 (685) Hexham Brampton

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
11 Sep 2022, 9:04 am #2,769

Changes for 31.10.22

PB0002717/387
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 1X93 (X93) Middlesbrough Guisborough

PB0002717/388
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 2X93 (X93) Guisborough Whitby

PB0002717/389
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 3X93 (X93) Whitby Scarborough


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4th September:

PB0002032/63
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 2685 (685) Hexham Brampton


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Storx



4,606
11 Sep 2022, 12:04 pm #2,770
(11 Sep 2022, 9:04 am)Michael Changes for 31.10.22

PB0002717/387
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 1X93 (X93) Middlesbrough Guisborough

PB0002717/388
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 2X93 (X93) Guisborough Whitby

PB0002717/389
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 3X93 (X93) Whitby Scarborough


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4th September:

PB0002032/63
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 2685 (685) Hexham Brampton

It'll be the winter timetable that, always changes after Goth weekend.
Storx
11 Sep 2022, 12:04 pm #2,770

(11 Sep 2022, 9:04 am)Michael Changes for 31.10.22

PB0002717/387
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 1X93 (X93) Middlesbrough Guisborough

PB0002717/388
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 2X93 (X93) Guisborough Whitby

PB0002717/389
Variation ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD 3X93 (X93) Whitby Scarborough


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4th September:

PB0002032/63
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 2685 (685) Hexham Brampton

It'll be the winter timetable that, always changes after Goth weekend.

Aaron21



785
19 Sep 2022, 12:13 pm #2,771
Arriva on bustimes.org have now listed changes coming into place on the 30th of October (North East/Northumbria) and 31st Country Durham

Most are revised timetable with a few revised routes. Interesting to note the 46/46a has been registered as cancelled
Aaron21
19 Sep 2022, 12:13 pm #2,771

Arriva on bustimes.org have now listed changes coming into place on the 30th of October (North East/Northumbria) and 31st Country Durham

Most are revised timetable with a few revised routes. Interesting to note the 46/46a has been registered as cancelled

Jimmi



10,971
19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm #2,772
(19 Sep 2022, 12:13 pm)Aaron21 Arriva on bustimes.org have now listed changes coming into place on the 30th of October (North East/Northumbria) and 31st Country Durham

Most are revised timetable with a few revised routes. Interesting to note the 46/46a has been registered as cancelled
In County Durham the evening service 58 between Durham, Station Town & Hartlepool has been cancelled as has services 61/62 in Durham.

Likely some changes are result of contract changes in County Durham.

Services in County Durham with variations are: 1, 5/5A, 6, 7, 8/8A, 22, 23, 24, 48, 49/49A, 56/56A, 57/57A 64, X21, X22, X75/X76 and the Middlesbrough to Durham stretch of the X12.

Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).
Jimmi
19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm #2,772

(19 Sep 2022, 12:13 pm)Aaron21 Arriva on bustimes.org have now listed changes coming into place on the 30th of October (North East/Northumbria) and 31st Country Durham

Most are revised timetable with a few revised routes. Interesting to note the 46/46a has been registered as cancelled
In County Durham the evening service 58 between Durham, Station Town & Hartlepool has been cancelled as has services 61/62 in Durham.

Likely some changes are result of contract changes in County Durham.

Services in County Durham with variations are: 1, 5/5A, 6, 7, 8/8A, 22, 23, 24, 48, 49/49A, 56/56A, 57/57A 64, X21, X22, X75/X76 and the Middlesbrough to Durham stretch of the X12.

Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).

mb134



4,151
19 Sep 2022, 1:27 pm #2,773
(19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm)Jimmi Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).

The 308 changes could include/be solely 306 changes given they're now under the same registration. Same with X10/11. 

Interesting that there are variations to the X30 rather than it just being a cancellation, doesn't seem to have recovered as well post-Covid.
mb134
19 Sep 2022, 1:27 pm #2,773

(19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm)Jimmi Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).

The 308 changes could include/be solely 306 changes given they're now under the same registration. Same with X10/11. 

Interesting that there are variations to the X30 rather than it just being a cancellation, doesn't seem to have recovered as well post-Covid.

Unber43



3,556
19 Sep 2022, 1:37 pm #2,774
(19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm)Jimmi In County Durham the evening service 58 between Durham, Station Town & Hartlepool has been cancelled as has services 61/62 in Durham.

Likely some changes are result of contract changes in County Durham.

Services in County Durham with variations are: 1, 5/5A, 6, 7, 8/8A, 22, 23, 24, 48, 49/49A, 56/56A, 57/57A 64, X21, X22, X75/X76 and the Middlesbrough to Durham stretch of the X12.

Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).
Wonder if the 22/23 are just them staying hourly extending to Sunderland from Peterlee
Unber43
19 Sep 2022, 1:37 pm #2,774

(19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm)Jimmi In County Durham the evening service 58 between Durham, Station Town & Hartlepool has been cancelled as has services 61/62 in Durham.

Likely some changes are result of contract changes in County Durham.

Services in County Durham with variations are: 1, 5/5A, 6, 7, 8/8A, 22, 23, 24, 48, 49/49A, 56/56A, 57/57A 64, X21, X22, X75/X76 and the Middlesbrough to Durham stretch of the X12.

Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).
Wonder if the 22/23 are just them staying hourly extending to Sunderland from Peterlee

L469 YVK



3,552
19 Sep 2022, 2:20 pm #2,775
(19 Sep 2022, 1:27 pm)mb134 Interesting that there are variations to the X30 rather than it just being a cancellation, doesn't seem to have recovered as well post-Covid.
Unless they're going to try and make it an "all day" thing?
L469 YVK
19 Sep 2022, 2:20 pm #2,775

(19 Sep 2022, 1:27 pm)mb134 Interesting that there are variations to the X30 rather than it just being a cancellation, doesn't seem to have recovered as well post-Covid.
Unless they're going to try and make it an "all day" thing?

Storx



4,606
19 Sep 2022, 2:23 pm #2,776
(19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm)Jimmi In County Durham the evening service 58 between Durham, Station Town & Hartlepool has been cancelled as has services 61/62 in Durham.

Likely some changes are result of contract changes in County Durham.

Services in County Durham with variations are: 1, 5/5A, 6, 7, 8/8A, 22, 23, 24, 48, 49/49A, 56/56A, 57/57A 64, X21, X22, X75/X76 and the Middlesbrough to Durham stretch of the X12.

Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).

Be interesting to see if the X7/X8/X9 route changes are moving them around again. I know there's been some complaining from Amersham Drive about the lack of a service to Cramlington now and lack of service to the Regent Centre from South Beach since the changes.

There's also a big problem currently where all the buses leaving Newcastle at rush hour are single deckers but leaving Blyth are double decker carry little loads but it's not fixable as if you move them around then the problem moves to the morning instead with the Astley school bus missing both, it's a bit of a mess.
Storx
19 Sep 2022, 2:23 pm #2,776

(19 Sep 2022, 1:01 pm)Jimmi In County Durham the evening service 58 between Durham, Station Town & Hartlepool has been cancelled as has services 61/62 in Durham.

Likely some changes are result of contract changes in County Durham.

Services in County Durham with variations are: 1, 5/5A, 6, 7, 8/8A, 22, 23, 24, 48, 49/49A, 56/56A, 57/57A 64, X21, X22, X75/X76 and the Middlesbrough to Durham stretch of the X12.

Northumberland variations are: 43, 44, 45, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 308, 553, X7, X8, X9, X10, X30 (fair few of these have route changes as well although 43 is noted to be for a road closure).

Be interesting to see if the X7/X8/X9 route changes are moving them around again. I know there's been some complaining from Amersham Drive about the lack of a service to Cramlington now and lack of service to the Regent Centre from South Beach since the changes.

There's also a big problem currently where all the buses leaving Newcastle at rush hour are single deckers but leaving Blyth are double decker carry little loads but it's not fixable as if you move them around then the problem moves to the morning instead with the Astley school bus missing both, it's a bit of a mess.

L469 YVK



3,552
19 Sep 2022, 8:33 pm #2,777
(19 Sep 2022, 2:23 pm)Storx Be interesting to see if the X7/X8/X9 route changes are moving them around again. I know there's been some complaining from Amersham Drive about the lack of a service to Cramlington now and lack of service to the Regent Centre from South Beach since the changes.
Amersham Drive to Regent Centre and Cramlington can easily be sorted without things going back 'as they were'. Would be suicidal Arriva re-swapping the X8 / X9 back around unless the X30 fits somewhere in the plans?
L469 YVK
19 Sep 2022, 8:33 pm #2,777

(19 Sep 2022, 2:23 pm)Storx Be interesting to see if the X7/X8/X9 route changes are moving them around again. I know there's been some complaining from Amersham Drive about the lack of a service to Cramlington now and lack of service to the Regent Centre from South Beach since the changes.
Amersham Drive to Regent Centre and Cramlington can easily be sorted without things going back 'as they were'. Would be suicidal Arriva re-swapping the X8 / X9 back around unless the X30 fits somewhere in the plans?

Storx



4,606
19 Sep 2022, 9:00 pm #2,778
(19 Sep 2022, 8:33 pm)L469 YVK Amersham Drive to Regent Centre and Cramlington can easily be sorted without things going back 'as they were'. Would be suicidal Arriva re-swapping the X8 / X9 back around unless the X30 fits somewhere in the plans?

ngl I don't think the Regent Centre will be sorted but I have a feeling they might flip the X7 and X8 around between Blyth and South Beach with the X8 doing Amersham and the X7 going via the main street. It's the way it used to be anyway. Sorts the Cramlington issue out at least.

No-one in Seaton Valley will miss the trundle along Amersham and vice versa.
Storx
19 Sep 2022, 9:00 pm #2,778

(19 Sep 2022, 8:33 pm)L469 YVK Amersham Drive to Regent Centre and Cramlington can easily be sorted without things going back 'as they were'. Would be suicidal Arriva re-swapping the X8 / X9 back around unless the X30 fits somewhere in the plans?

ngl I don't think the Regent Centre will be sorted but I have a feeling they might flip the X7 and X8 around between Blyth and South Beach with the X8 doing Amersham and the X7 going via the main street. It's the way it used to be anyway. Sorts the Cramlington issue out at least.

No-one in Seaton Valley will miss the trundle along Amersham and vice versa.

L469 YVK



3,552
19 Sep 2022, 9:15 pm #2,779
(19 Sep 2022, 9:00 pm)Storx ngl I don't think the Regent Centre will be sorted but I have a feeling they might flip the X7 and X8 around between Blyth and South Beach with the X8 doing Amersham and the X7 going via the main street. It's the way it used to be anyway. Sorts the Cramlington issue out at least.

No-one in Seaton Valley will miss the trundle along Amersham and vice versa.
That would be a sensible move to be honest.
L469 YVK
19 Sep 2022, 9:15 pm #2,779

(19 Sep 2022, 9:00 pm)Storx ngl I don't think the Regent Centre will be sorted but I have a feeling they might flip the X7 and X8 around between Blyth and South Beach with the X8 doing Amersham and the X7 going via the main street. It's the way it used to be anyway. Sorts the Cramlington issue out at least.

No-one in Seaton Valley will miss the trundle along Amersham and vice versa.
That would be a sensible move to be honest.

Aaron21



785
03 Oct 2022, 8:26 pm #2,780
X14/15/18/20 all now listed for changes of the same date

X18 has a revised route change between Alnwick & Seahouses
Aaron21
03 Oct 2022, 8:26 pm #2,780

X14/15/18/20 all now listed for changes of the same date

X18 has a revised route change between Alnwick & Seahouses

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