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peter



993
07 Jan 2022, 12:00 am #2,601
Service 28/28A from Middlesbrough to Lingdale is having a revised route and timetable from 30th January according to the North Yorkshire County Council website. Quick check of VOSA and can't see any other changes from the 30th on there atm.
peter
07 Jan 2022, 12:00 am #2,601

Service 28/28A from Middlesbrough to Lingdale is having a revised route and timetable from 30th January according to the North Yorkshire County Council website. Quick check of VOSA and can't see any other changes from the 30th on there atm.

RobinHood



632
08 Jan 2022, 8:05 am #2,602
(07 Jan 2022, 12:00 am)peter Service 28/28A from Middlesbrough to Lingdale is having a revised route and timetable from 30th January according to the North Yorkshire County Council website. Quick check of VOSA and can't see any other changes from the 30th on there atm.

Closure of Guisborough Road at Swans Corner means no buses to Nunthorpe Station.
RobinHood
08 Jan 2022, 8:05 am #2,602

(07 Jan 2022, 12:00 am)peter Service 28/28A from Middlesbrough to Lingdale is having a revised route and timetable from 30th January according to the North Yorkshire County Council website. Quick check of VOSA and can't see any other changes from the 30th on there atm.

Closure of Guisborough Road at Swans Corner means no buses to Nunthorpe Station.

09 Jan 2022, 12:58 pm #2,603
Are there any plans for the 553 to change operators? Makes sense at the Regent Centre end to be Arriva, but for Battle Hill/Wallsend GNE would be the best. GCT or Phoenix would probably get it next if Arriva don't keep it. When is the contract up for renewal for the 47 and 553?
OrangeArrow49
09 Jan 2022, 12:58 pm #2,603

Are there any plans for the 553 to change operators? Makes sense at the Regent Centre end to be Arriva, but for Battle Hill/Wallsend GNE would be the best. GCT or Phoenix would probably get it next if Arriva don't keep it. When is the contract up for renewal for the 47 and 553?

peter



993
09 Jan 2022, 1:30 pm #2,604
(09 Jan 2022, 12:58 pm)OrangeArrow49 Are there any plans for the 553 to change operators? Makes sense at the Regent Centre end to be Arriva, but for Battle Hill/Wallsend GNE would be the best. GCT or Phoenix would probably get it next if Arriva don't keep it. When is the contract up for renewal for the 47 and 553?

According to VOSA they're not supported by subsidy. I don't know if the services are contracted by the NHS or Arriva receive some support for them, if that's the case they won't be changing hands. The fact Arriva have operated the 553 since 2014 doesn't suggest it's going to change any time soon. But they're not a Nexus contract, otherwise someone else other than Arriva would probably be operating them by now.

There are some Nexus supported journeys on the 553 but these are now operated by GCT (and are earmarked for withdrawal according to recent consultation).
peter
09 Jan 2022, 1:30 pm #2,604

(09 Jan 2022, 12:58 pm)OrangeArrow49 Are there any plans for the 553 to change operators? Makes sense at the Regent Centre end to be Arriva, but for Battle Hill/Wallsend GNE would be the best. GCT or Phoenix would probably get it next if Arriva don't keep it. When is the contract up for renewal for the 47 and 553?

According to VOSA they're not supported by subsidy. I don't know if the services are contracted by the NHS or Arriva receive some support for them, if that's the case they won't be changing hands. The fact Arriva have operated the 553 since 2014 doesn't suggest it's going to change any time soon. But they're not a Nexus contract, otherwise someone else other than Arriva would probably be operating them by now.

There are some Nexus supported journeys on the 553 but these are now operated by GCT (and are earmarked for withdrawal according to recent consultation).

10 Jan 2022, 8:34 pm #2,605
553 was (possibly still is) 2 separate contracts.

Monday to Friday every 30 minutes (Regent Centre - Freeman Hospital) contracted by NHS

Monday to Saturday every 60 minutes (Freeman Hospital - Battle Hill) contracted by Nexus

Arriva worked with both contractors to Run the service across Freeman Hospital.

I believe Arriva decided to run the Battle Hill - Freeman Hospital section commercially last year, so not to split service up, as i'm led to believe that they had lost Nexus contract to GCT.
minibus1474
10 Jan 2022, 8:34 pm #2,605

553 was (possibly still is) 2 separate contracts.

Monday to Friday every 30 minutes (Regent Centre - Freeman Hospital) contracted by NHS

Monday to Saturday every 60 minutes (Freeman Hospital - Battle Hill) contracted by Nexus

Arriva worked with both contractors to Run the service across Freeman Hospital.

I believe Arriva decided to run the Battle Hill - Freeman Hospital section commercially last year, so not to split service up, as i'm led to believe that they had lost Nexus contract to GCT.

V514DFT



2,225
11 Jan 2022, 5:59 pm #2,606
Wasnt the 553 merged with the 3?

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
11 Jan 2022, 5:59 pm #2,606

Wasnt the 553 merged with the 3?


Kind Regards
Tez

peter



993
21 Jan 2022, 4:52 pm #2,607
The 56 will be returning to a half hourly service across the full route from the 30th January.
peter
21 Jan 2022, 4:52 pm #2,607

The 56 will be returning to a half hourly service across the full route from the 30th January.

busmanT



921
22 Jan 2022, 9:13 am #2,608
(21 Jan 2022, 4:52 pm)peter The 56 will be returning to a half hourly service across the full route from the 30th January.
I can't see any mention of this on the Go North East website - all alterations are shown as until further notice.
busmanT
22 Jan 2022, 9:13 am #2,608

(21 Jan 2022, 4:52 pm)peter The 56 will be returning to a half hourly service across the full route from the 30th January.
I can't see any mention of this on the Go North East website - all alterations are shown as until further notice.

Storx



4,481
22 Jan 2022, 9:34 am #2,609
(22 Jan 2022, 9:13 am)busmanT I can't see any mention of this on the Go North East website - all alterations are shown as until further notice.

I'd hope not it's an Arriva service Tongue - https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/servi...n-2022.pdf

Ironically though the GNE 56 is going back to normal service on the same day https://www.nexus.org.uk/bus/timetables?...l&title=56
Storx
22 Jan 2022, 9:34 am #2,609

(22 Jan 2022, 9:13 am)busmanT I can't see any mention of this on the Go North East website - all alterations are shown as until further notice.

I'd hope not it's an Arriva service Tongue - https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/servi...n-2022.pdf

Ironically though the GNE 56 is going back to normal service on the same day https://www.nexus.org.uk/bus/timetables?...l&title=56

busmanT



921
22 Jan 2022, 10:12 am #2,610
(22 Jan 2022, 9:34 am)Storx I'd hope not it's an Arriva service Tongue - https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/servi...n-2022.pdf

Ironically though the GNE 56 is going back to normal service on the same day https://www.nexus.org.uk/bus/timetables?...l&title=56
I still can't see any mention on the Go North East website of this going back to normal, I would have expected GNE to tell its passengers rather than Nexus
busmanT
22 Jan 2022, 10:12 am #2,610

(22 Jan 2022, 9:34 am)Storx I'd hope not it's an Arriva service Tongue - https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/servi...n-2022.pdf

Ironically though the GNE 56 is going back to normal service on the same day https://www.nexus.org.uk/bus/timetables?...l&title=56
I still can't see any mention on the Go North East website of this going back to normal, I would have expected GNE to tell its passengers rather than Nexus

Dan

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18,099
22 Jan 2022, 10:16 am #2,611
(22 Jan 2022, 10:12 am)busmanT I still can't see any mention on the Go North East website of this going back to normal, I would have expected GNE to tell its passengers rather than Nexus

Go North East hasn't told its passengers because they aren't reverting back to normal timetables from this date.
Dan
22 Jan 2022, 10:16 am #2,611

(22 Jan 2022, 10:12 am)busmanT I still can't see any mention on the Go North East website of this going back to normal, I would have expected GNE to tell its passengers rather than Nexus

Go North East hasn't told its passengers because they aren't reverting back to normal timetables from this date.

peter



993
22 Jan 2022, 10:47 am #2,612
(22 Jan 2022, 9:13 am)busmanT I can't see any mention of this on the Go North East website - all alterations are shown as until further notice.

Just for clarification - this is the Arriva thread and the service in question is the 56 from Durham to Bishop Auckland. The 56, alongside the 6, 7 and 64 were temporarily reduced from 31st October 2021 due to driver shortages. The 56 is now returning to it's normal timetable where one journey per hour was running between Bishop Auckland and Coundon only which is now re-extended through to Durham. No word yet on when the 6, 7 and 64 will revert, but on VOSA the 'End Date' for these changes is 31st March 2022, so perhaps that's the ideal.
peter
22 Jan 2022, 10:47 am #2,612

(22 Jan 2022, 9:13 am)busmanT I can't see any mention of this on the Go North East website - all alterations are shown as until further notice.

Just for clarification - this is the Arriva thread and the service in question is the 56 from Durham to Bishop Auckland. The 56, alongside the 6, 7 and 64 were temporarily reduced from 31st October 2021 due to driver shortages. The 56 is now returning to it's normal timetable where one journey per hour was running between Bishop Auckland and Coundon only which is now re-extended through to Durham. No word yet on when the 6, 7 and 64 will revert, but on VOSA the 'End Date' for these changes is 31st March 2022, so perhaps that's the ideal.

Omega54



290
22 Jan 2022, 1:22 pm #2,613
(22 Jan 2022, 10:16 am)Dan Go North East hasn't told its passengers because they aren't reverting back to normal timetables from this date.
Well, I wonder if it will be before March. 

Also, I hope from the past few weeks that GNE can get some extra capacity on some routes, e.g 39/20/X1/60 (granted not much more can be done)/X45/46.
Omega54
22 Jan 2022, 1:22 pm #2,613

(22 Jan 2022, 10:16 am)Dan Go North East hasn't told its passengers because they aren't reverting back to normal timetables from this date.
Well, I wonder if it will be before March. 

Also, I hope from the past few weeks that GNE can get some extra capacity on some routes, e.g 39/20/X1/60 (granted not much more can be done)/X45/46.

07 Feb 2022, 3:24 pm #2,614
Route 308 will be diverted southbound between Blyth and South Beach from the 14th, presumably via the 309 route.

Northbound journeys are unaffected with passengers for Newcastle able to travel to Blyth and back out on a diverted service.
omnicity4659
07 Feb 2022, 3:24 pm #2,614

Route 308 will be diverted southbound between Blyth and South Beach from the 14th, presumably via the 309 route.

Northbound journeys are unaffected with passengers for Newcastle able to travel to Blyth and back out on a diverted service.

Michael



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11 Feb 2022, 4:09 pm #2,615
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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 57 (57, 57A) Ashington North Shields

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 53 (53) Cramlington North Shields



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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD X9 (X9) Blyth Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 51 (51A, 51) Newcastle Whitley Bay

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 52 (52) Ashington Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 308 (308, 306) Blyth Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 54 (54) Whitley Bay Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD X7 (X7) Blyth Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 57 (57, 57A) Ashington North Shields

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 55 (55) Newcastle Forest Hall

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 46 (46, 46A) Newcastle Featherstone Grove


Effective date is 27 Mar 2022

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
11 Feb 2022, 4:09 pm #2,615

PB0002032/266
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 57 (57, 57A) Ashington North Shields

PB0002032/340
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 53 (53) Cramlington North Shields



PB0002032/341
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD X9 (X9) Blyth Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD X10 (X10, X11) Blyth Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 51 (51A, 51) Newcastle Whitley Bay

PB0002032/459
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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 308 (308, 306) Blyth Newcastle

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PB0002032/457
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 54 (54) Whitley Bay Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD X7 (X7) Blyth Newcastle

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 55 (55) Newcastle Forest Hall

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Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 46 (46, 46A) Newcastle Featherstone Grove


Effective date is 27 Mar 2022


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Storx



4,481
11 Feb 2022, 6:10 pm #2,616
(11 Feb 2022, 4:09 pm)Michael PB0002032/152
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 46 (46, 46A) Newcastle Featherstone Grove


Effective date is 27 Mar 2022

Wonder if the 46A might be the replacement for the 33 down Hollywood Avenue since there's heavy rumours that the Q3 is going via Osbourne Road now. Whatever it is, it doesn't exist now. Be a good improvement for them if so with a faster service.
Storx
11 Feb 2022, 6:10 pm #2,616

(11 Feb 2022, 4:09 pm)Michael PB0002032/152
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 46 (46, 46A) Newcastle Featherstone Grove


Effective date is 27 Mar 2022

Wonder if the 46A might be the replacement for the 33 down Hollywood Avenue since there's heavy rumours that the Q3 is going via Osbourne Road now. Whatever it is, it doesn't exist now. Be a good improvement for them if so with a faster service.

L469 YVK



3,544
12 Feb 2022, 5:08 pm #2,617
I wonder what the above changes will present? Would the 43/44/45 not be better going to Single Decks and going to a 6/6/7 frequency running every 20 mins each (like the 309/310/311 do)? Would give a more even service between the 43/45 from Lockey Park .
L469 YVK
12 Feb 2022, 5:08 pm #2,617

I wonder what the above changes will present? Would the 43/44/45 not be better going to Single Decks and going to a 6/6/7 frequency running every 20 mins each (like the 309/310/311 do)? Would give a more even service between the 43/45 from Lockey Park .

Storx



4,481
12 Feb 2022, 7:12 pm #2,618
(12 Feb 2022, 5:08 pm)L469 YVK I wonder what the above changes will present? Would the 43/44/45 not be better going to Single Decks and going to a 6/6/7 frequency running every 20 mins each (like the 309/310/311 do)? Would give a more even service between the 43/45 from Lockey Park .

I'm not sure they need more services along there. 20 mins seems a bit overkill for both Dinnington bits and I don't believe it would reduce the PVR, potentially increase it though because of the interworking patterns.

44/45 PVR 5 with 30 min run time each all with a 7 minute layover.
Storx
12 Feb 2022, 7:12 pm #2,618

(12 Feb 2022, 5:08 pm)L469 YVK I wonder what the above changes will present? Would the 43/44/45 not be better going to Single Decks and going to a 6/6/7 frequency running every 20 mins each (like the 309/310/311 do)? Would give a more even service between the 43/45 from Lockey Park .

I'm not sure they need more services along there. 20 mins seems a bit overkill for both Dinnington bits and I don't believe it would reduce the PVR, potentially increase it though because of the interworking patterns.

44/45 PVR 5 with 30 min run time each all with a 7 minute layover.

L469 YVK



3,544
12 Feb 2022, 9:40 pm #2,619
(12 Feb 2022, 7:12 pm)Storx I'm not sure they need more services along there. 20 mins seems a bit overkill for both Dinnington bits and I don't believe it would reduce the PVR, potentially increase it though because of the interworking patterns.

44/45 PVR 5 with 30 min run time each all with a 7 minute layover.
It would increase PVR but would give more even headway between the 43 & 45 in Wideopen, 13/7 as opposed to an oddball 30 minute service running amongst a 15 minute frequency provided by the 43. 

So frequency would be
Dinnington 44/45 - Every 7-13 mins
Wideopen Travellers Rest 43/45 - Every 7-13 mins
North Gosforth & Gosforth Park 43/44/45 - Every 6-7 mins

Although I suppose my argument is invalid to some extent given that GNE went the opposite way on the Rowlands Gill corridor by making the 47/47A an oddball amongst the X45/X46.
L469 YVK
12 Feb 2022, 9:40 pm #2,619

(12 Feb 2022, 7:12 pm)Storx I'm not sure they need more services along there. 20 mins seems a bit overkill for both Dinnington bits and I don't believe it would reduce the PVR, potentially increase it though because of the interworking patterns.

44/45 PVR 5 with 30 min run time each all with a 7 minute layover.
It would increase PVR but would give more even headway between the 43 & 45 in Wideopen, 13/7 as opposed to an oddball 30 minute service running amongst a 15 minute frequency provided by the 43. 

So frequency would be
Dinnington 44/45 - Every 7-13 mins
Wideopen Travellers Rest 43/45 - Every 7-13 mins
North Gosforth & Gosforth Park 43/44/45 - Every 6-7 mins

Although I suppose my argument is invalid to some extent given that GNE went the opposite way on the Rowlands Gill corridor by making the 47/47A an oddball amongst the X45/X46.

Storx



4,481
13 Feb 2022, 5:46 am #2,620
(12 Feb 2022, 9:40 pm)L469 YVK It would increase PVR but would give more even headway between the 43 & 45 in Wideopen, 13/7 as opposed to an oddball 30 minute service running amongst a 15 minute frequency provided by the 43. 

So frequency would be
Dinnington 44/45 - Every 7-13 mins
Wideopen Travellers Rest 43/45 - Every 7-13 mins
North Gosforth & Gosforth Park 43/44/45 - Every 6-7 mins

Although I suppose my argument is invalid to some extent given that GNE went the opposite way on the Rowlands Gill corridor by making the 47/47A an oddball amongst the X45/X46.

Aye I see what you mean but if I'm right the timings should be every 7.5, 7.5, 15, 7.5, 7.5, 15... anyway through Wideopen so it's not really much different to a 7 / 13 it's easier to understand as it is imo.
Storx
13 Feb 2022, 5:46 am #2,620

(12 Feb 2022, 9:40 pm)L469 YVK It would increase PVR but would give more even headway between the 43 & 45 in Wideopen, 13/7 as opposed to an oddball 30 minute service running amongst a 15 minute frequency provided by the 43. 

So frequency would be
Dinnington 44/45 - Every 7-13 mins
Wideopen Travellers Rest 43/45 - Every 7-13 mins
North Gosforth & Gosforth Park 43/44/45 - Every 6-7 mins

Although I suppose my argument is invalid to some extent given that GNE went the opposite way on the Rowlands Gill corridor by making the 47/47A an oddball amongst the X45/X46.

Aye I see what you mean but if I'm right the timings should be every 7.5, 7.5, 15, 7.5, 7.5, 15... anyway through Wideopen so it's not really much different to a 7 / 13 it's easier to understand as it is imo.

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