Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes
(09 May 2023, 8:22 pm)Thomas12 In reality, the 335 could be amended to replace the 55 - although not sure if that will be possible until March as I assume that's when the current ones are valid until.
Scrap the FLE-Killingworth section (not needed as it duplicates the 62), amend route in Forest Hall and extend to Newcastle. It would only take 1 extra bus if they are wanting to run half hourly Forest Hall-Newcastle.
(09 May 2023, 8:22 pm)Thomas12 In reality, the 335 could be amended to replace the 55 - although not sure if that will be possible until March as I assume that's when the current ones are valid until.
Scrap the FLE-Killingworth section (not needed as it duplicates the 62), amend route in Forest Hall and extend to Newcastle. It would only take 1 extra bus if they are wanting to run half hourly Forest Hall-Newcastle.
Pensioners and people with limited mobility who live in the middle of Meadway might disagree with you there. I've walked it several times, nice and easy for me, but for many people it would be too far and leave them stuck at home or requiring a car or taxi.
(09 May 2023, 9:12 pm)Shrek Pensioners and people with limited mobility who live in the middle of Meadway might disagree with you there. I've walked it several times, nice and easy for me, but for many people it would be too far and leave them stuck at home or requiring a car or taxi.
(09 May 2023, 9:12 pm)Shrek Pensioners and people with limited mobility who live in the middle of Meadway might disagree with you there. I've walked it several times, nice and easy for me, but for many people it would be too far and leave them stuck at home or requiring a car or taxi.
(09 May 2023, 5:48 pm)MurdnunoC Still, it will give L469 LVK a chance to redesign the network for the umpteenth time with all services going through Hadrian Park and Billy Mill.But if the 51 wasn't re-tendered, it would be the most sensible option putting the 307 through Wiltshire Drive and in situ the 22 going to Hadrian Park every 20 minutes.
Oh, and a super-depot at Percy Main.
Oh, oh, oh. And the 22 to be split into two separate services at Willington Square roundabout.
(09 May 2023, 5:48 pm)MurdnunoC Still, it will give L469 LVK a chance to redesign the network for the umpteenth time with all services going through Hadrian Park and Billy Mill.But if the 51 wasn't re-tendered, it would be the most sensible option putting the 307 through Wiltshire Drive and in situ the 22 going to Hadrian Park every 20 minutes.
Oh, and a super-depot at Percy Main.
Oh, oh, oh. And the 22 to be split into two separate services at Willington Square roundabout.
(09 May 2023, 10:12 pm)L469 YVK But if the 51 wasn't re-tendered, it would be the most sensible option putting the 307 through Wiltshire Drive and in situ the 22 going to Hadrian Park every 20 minutes.
Are Nexus going to pay for a like for like replacement of the Newcastle to Hadrian Lodge section of the 51 when it could be easily picked up by another service (in agreement with GNE & Stagecoach making the needed changes).
Yes Hadrian Park = slower service but more links deeper into Newcastle (Quayside, Manors, Monument, Central Station)
(09 May 2023, 10:12 pm)L469 YVK But if the 51 wasn't re-tendered, it would be the most sensible option putting the 307 through Wiltshire Drive and in situ the 22 going to Hadrian Park every 20 minutes.
Are Nexus going to pay for a like for like replacement of the Newcastle to Hadrian Lodge section of the 51 when it could be easily picked up by another service (in agreement with GNE & Stagecoach making the needed changes).
Yes Hadrian Park = slower service but more links deeper into Newcastle (Quayside, Manors, Monument, Central Station)
(10 May 2023, 4:52 am)MurdnunoC Cheers. Easiest tenner I've ever madeAbsolutely more than welcome .
(10 May 2023, 4:52 am)MurdnunoC Cheers. Easiest tenner I've ever madeAbsolutely more than welcome .
(10 May 2023, 5:30 am)L469 YVK Absolutely more than welcome .
But why are Nexus going to pay (unless it works out it's worth keeping the 51 re-tendered) for a tendered service to cover Wiltshire Drive when it can easily be picked up by re-routing an existing commercial service?
(10 May 2023, 5:30 am)L469 YVK Absolutely more than welcome .
But why are Nexus going to pay (unless it works out it's worth keeping the 51 re-tendered) for a tendered service to cover Wiltshire Drive when it can easily be picked up by re-routing an existing commercial service?
(09 May 2023, 4:14 pm)MurdnunoC Rumours are abound that the withdrawal of services 51-55 have been announced to Arriva staff today.
(09 May 2023, 4:14 pm)MurdnunoC Rumours are abound that the withdrawal of services 51-55 have been announced to Arriva staff today.
I know there's been a lot of talk about these but wonder if someone might actually attempt to take them on commercially.
Reading through that it seems that they might actually be money in them, the problem is there's literally nowhere for the vehicles and expanding a depot at Ashington with the cost increases wouldn't be sustainable.
GoNorthEast at Percy Main in particular has been butchering routes for years as has space but there's also an argument for Stagecoach aswell. Taking the 52, extension to 38?, and 53 over in particular would give them pretty much a near monopoly in Killingworth. They obviously seem keen in both areas with the contracts on the 317 and 54 and they obviously have space for buses as Arriva have been there for months - plenty driver's aswell no doubt who don't want to move to Blyth and do Arriva even need them all...? - TUPE possible?
(10 May 2023, 8:30 pm)nova347 So what Services does arriva run from Walkergate? Blyth? and Ashington?
(10 May 2023, 8:30 pm)nova347 So what Services does arriva run from Walkergate? Blyth? and Ashington?
(10 May 2023, 8:13 pm)Storx I know there's been a lot of talk about these but wonder if someone might actually attempt to take them on commercially.
Reading through that it seems that they might actually be money in them, the problem is there's literally nowhere for the vehicles and expanding a depot at Ashington with the cost increases wouldn't be sustainable.
GoNorthEast at Percy Main in particular has been butchering routes for years as has space but there's also an argument for Stagecoach aswell. Taking the 52, extension to 38?, and 53 over in particular would give them pretty much a near monopoly in Killingworth. They obviously seem keen in both areas with the contracts on the 317 and 54 and they obviously have space for buses as Arriva have been there for months - plenty driver's aswell no doubt who don't want to move to Blyth and do Arriva even need them all...? - TUPE possible?
(10 May 2023, 8:13 pm)Storx I know there's been a lot of talk about these but wonder if someone might actually attempt to take them on commercially.
Reading through that it seems that they might actually be money in them, the problem is there's literally nowhere for the vehicles and expanding a depot at Ashington with the cost increases wouldn't be sustainable.
GoNorthEast at Percy Main in particular has been butchering routes for years as has space but there's also an argument for Stagecoach aswell. Taking the 52, extension to 38?, and 53 over in particular would give them pretty much a near monopoly in Killingworth. They obviously seem keen in both areas with the contracts on the 317 and 54 and they obviously have space for buses as Arriva have been there for months - plenty driver's aswell no doubt who don't want to move to Blyth and do Arriva even need them all...? - TUPE possible?
(10 May 2023, 10:41 pm)Thomas12 From what I understand there is a huge surplus of drivers at Percy Main as well - could be an interesting expansion opportunity.
(10 May 2023, 10:41 pm)Thomas12 From what I understand there is a huge surplus of drivers at Percy Main as well - could be an interesting expansion opportunity.
If GNE were to win them, then numbering wise would they stay the same or would they have to be renumbered, the only number they dont have now out of that group of numbers is 55, now i know the difference, but there will be folk out their that'll somehow get confused with the services, eg they want to Whitley Bay, but end up in Bensham
(11 May 2023, 11:42 am)V514DFT If GNE were to win them, then numbering wise would they stay the same or would they have to be renumbered, the only number they dont have now out of that group of numbers is 55, now i know the difference, but there will be folk out their that'll somehow get confused with the services, eg they want to Whitley Bay, but end up in Bensham
(11 May 2023, 11:42 am)V514DFT If GNE were to win them, then numbering wise would they stay the same or would they have to be renumbered, the only number they dont have now out of that group of numbers is 55, now i know the difference, but there will be folk out their that'll somehow get confused with the services, eg they want to Whitley Bay, but end up in Bensham
The 51 service would ideally be split and added to the existing networks
342 service from Wallsend to go via Wiltshire Drive to create the connecting link to Benton Asda - instead of turning at Benton Asda roundabout create a loop around asda clockwise and anti clockwise around Holystone (whitley Road) industrial estate old houses before looping into Holystone new build estate and back along past Asda
For the Wiltshire Road link to Newcastle City Centre add it to the 307 route and revert 309 to omitt mullen Road and create a fast link to Battlehill (previous routes)
Additing the Wiltshire to Benton Asda on the 342 route provides a day eve and sun service as oppose to adding it to a 335 service
Alternatively create a ticketing ticket where it connects for free to a connecting bus and buses wait for each other similar to a transfare ticket
(11 May 2023, 6:12 pm)DaveFromUpNorth For the Wiltshire Road link to Newcastle City Centre add it to the 307 route and revert 309 to omitt mullen Road and create a fast link to Battlehill (previous routes)Unless there was a PVR or running time increase, Hadrian Park would have to be dropped from the 307.
(11 May 2023, 6:12 pm)DaveFromUpNorth For the Wiltshire Road link to Newcastle City Centre add it to the 307 route and revert 309 to omitt mullen Road and create a fast link to Battlehill (previous routes)Unless there was a PVR or running time increase, Hadrian Park would have to be dropped from the 307.