Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes
Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...67a62d1b61
Summary of changes for Hartlepool/Teesside and opportunity to meet the team to discuss
(17 Jul 2017, 10:18 pm)Kuyoyo Times are now available on Traveline:
1: Middlesbrough departure times are now xx15/xx45
10: Departing Middlesbrough at xx15, xx35 (same as Arriva's 28a) and xx55
12: departures are: xx09, xx21, xx33, xx45 and xx57
13: retimed to run a minute later from Middlesbrough (Hemlington departures are xx00/xx30, Salters Lane xx05/xx35)
14: departures now xx20 and xx50
34: will depart Middlesbrough at xx23 and xx53
34a: departures from Middlesbrough are xx08 and xx38
35: seems just the High Grange secition is being dropped, Traveline suggests the rerouting in Wolviston Court has been dropped
39: dropped to every ten minutes leaving the bus station at 03/13/23/33/43/53 past, seems no change to the PVR but improved turn around time at Park End
52: Stockton departures are the same times as the 34/34a departures from Middlesbrough
58: will leave the town centre at xx00 etc
(17 Jul 2017, 10:18 pm)Kuyoyo Times are now available on Traveline:
1: Middlesbrough departure times are now xx15/xx45
10: Departing Middlesbrough at xx15, xx35 (same as Arriva's 28a) and xx55
12: departures are: xx09, xx21, xx33, xx45 and xx57
13: retimed to run a minute later from Middlesbrough (Hemlington departures are xx00/xx30, Salters Lane xx05/xx35)
14: departures now xx20 and xx50
34: will depart Middlesbrough at xx23 and xx53
34a: departures from Middlesbrough are xx08 and xx38
35: seems just the High Grange secition is being dropped, Traveline suggests the rerouting in Wolviston Court has been dropped
39: dropped to every ten minutes leaving the bus station at 03/13/23/33/43/53 past, seems no change to the PVR but improved turn around time at Park End
52: Stockton departures are the same times as the 34/34a departures from Middlesbrough
58: will leave the town centre at xx00 etc
(27 Jul 2017, 1:18 pm)beefcake https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...67a62d1b61
Summary of changes for Hartlepool/Teesside and opportunity to meet the team to discuss
(27 Jul 2017, 1:18 pm)beefcake https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...67a62d1b61
Summary of changes for Hartlepool/Teesside and opportunity to meet the team to discuss
New Teesside Timetables now online
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:54:20:373
Confirms that Teesside's PVR change is -1 - the 12 appears to be a 7 vehicle working judging by the timetable.
EDIT: Also seems the 35 will still interwork with the 52, with certain 52s getting a 10 minute layover in Stockton.
EDIT2: And Hartlepool's can be found here: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:44:53:845
(01 Aug 2017, 3:27 pm)Kuyoyo New Teesside Timetables now onlineHartlepool PVR looks like -4 : 2 off the 1 and 2 off the 3/4
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:54:20:373
Confirms that Teesside's PVR change is -1 - the 12 appears to be a 7 vehicle working judging by the timetable.
EDIT: Also seems the 35 will still interwork with the 52, with certain 52s getting a 10 minute layover in Stockton.
EDIT2: And Hartlepool's can be found here: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:44:53:845
(01 Aug 2017, 3:27 pm)Kuyoyo New Teesside Timetables now onlineHartlepool PVR looks like -4 : 2 off the 1 and 2 off the 3/4
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:54:20:373
Confirms that Teesside's PVR change is -1 - the 12 appears to be a 7 vehicle working judging by the timetable.
EDIT: Also seems the 35 will still interwork with the 52, with certain 52s getting a 10 minute layover in Stockton.
EDIT2: And Hartlepool's can be found here: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:44:53:845
(01 Aug 2017, 3:27 pm)Kuyoyo New Teesside Timetables now online
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:54:20:373
Confirms that Teesside's PVR change is -1 - the 12 appears to be a 7 vehicle working judging by the timetable.
EDIT: Also seems the 35 will still interwork with the 52, with certain 52s getting a 10 minute layover in Stockton.
EDIT2: And Hartlepool's can be found here: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:44:53:845
(01 Aug 2017, 8:14 pm)busmanT Hartlepool PVR looks like -4 : 2 off the 1 and 2 off the 3/4
(01 Aug 2017, 3:27 pm)Kuyoyo New Teesside Timetables now online
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:54:20:373
Confirms that Teesside's PVR change is -1 - the 12 appears to be a 7 vehicle working judging by the timetable.
EDIT: Also seems the 35 will still interwork with the 52, with certain 52s getting a 10 minute layover in Stockton.
EDIT2: And Hartlepool's can be found here: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:44:53:845
(01 Aug 2017, 8:14 pm)busmanT Hartlepool PVR looks like -4 : 2 off the 1 and 2 off the 3/4
Hartlepool's upcoming evening 7s are on an odd timetable!
Southbound, buses run Middlegate to Owton Manor, as per daytime - simple.
Northbound, buses terminate in the town centre (York Road), then continue to Clavering as service 6. Upon returning as a 6, buses terminate at Grand Hotel where they then pick up the other half of the 7 they earlier abandoned.
The outcome is passengers on the 7 which intend to travel north across the town will be booted off at York Road and will have 9 minutes to complete a quarter-mile walk to pick up the second half of the 7.
Confusion also arrises as the drop-off stands for the 6 are completely separate from the pick-up stands. I can't see this helping sustainability of these evening services.
I can't help a better way of working would have been the have the 7 stand alone and add the 6 onto the end of the 36. This way everything could match their daytime routes and daytime stops, other than the 36 dropping off at York Rd rather than Park Rd. PVR could be the same too, as the extra 37 mins added the the 36 by returning to Clavering could be covered by 1 extra bus, if the 36/37/38 were to all interwork at Middlesbrough.
(02 Aug 2017, 10:55 pm)James101 Hartlepool's upcoming evening 7s are on an odd timetable!
Southbound, buses run Middlegate to Owton Manor, as per daytime - simple.
Northbound, buses terminate in the town centre (York Road), then continue to Clavering as service 6. Upon returning as a 6, buses terminate at Grand Hotel where they then pick up the other half of the 7 they earlier abandoned.
The outcome is passengers on the 7 which intend to travel north across the town will be booted off at York Road and will have 9 minutes to complete a quarter-mile walk to pick up the second half of the 7.
Confusion also arrises as the drop-off stands for the 6 are completely separate from the pick-up stands. I can't see this helping sustainability of these evening services.
I can't help a better way of working would have been the have the 7 stand alone and add the 6 onto the end of the 36. This way everything could match their daytime routes and daytime stops, other than the 36 dropping off at York Rd rather than Park Rd. PVR could be the same too, as the extra 37 mins added the the 36 by returning to Clavering could be covered by 1 extra bus, if the 36/37/38 were to all interwork at Middlesbrough.
(02 Aug 2017, 10:55 pm)James101 Hartlepool's upcoming evening 7s are on an odd timetable!
Southbound, buses run Middlegate to Owton Manor, as per daytime - simple.
Northbound, buses terminate in the town centre (York Road), then continue to Clavering as service 6. Upon returning as a 6, buses terminate at Grand Hotel where they then pick up the other half of the 7 they earlier abandoned.
The outcome is passengers on the 7 which intend to travel north across the town will be booted off at York Road and will have 9 minutes to complete a quarter-mile walk to pick up the second half of the 7.
Confusion also arrises as the drop-off stands for the 6 are completely separate from the pick-up stands. I can't see this helping sustainability of these evening services.
I can't help a better way of working would have been the have the 7 stand alone and add the 6 onto the end of the 36. This way everything could match their daytime routes and daytime stops, other than the 36 dropping off at York Rd rather than Park Rd. PVR could be the same too, as the extra 37 mins added the the 36 by returning to Clavering could be covered by 1 extra bus, if the 36/37/38 were to all interwork at Middlesbrough.
(02 Aug 2017, 10:55 pm)James101 Hartlepool's upcoming evening 7s are on an odd timetable!
Southbound, buses run Middlegate to Owton Manor, as per daytime - simple.
Northbound, buses terminate in the town centre (York Road), then continue to Clavering as service 6. Upon returning as a 6, buses terminate at Grand Hotel where they then pick up the other half of the 7 they earlier abandoned.
The outcome is passengers on the 7 which intend to travel north across the town will be booted off at York Road and will have 9 minutes to complete a quarter-mile walk to pick up the second half of the 7.
Confusion also arrises as the drop-off stands for the 6 are completely separate from the pick-up stands. I can't see this helping sustainability of these evening services.
I can't help a better way of working would have been the have the 7 stand alone and add the 6 onto the end of the 36. This way everything could match their daytime routes and daytime stops, other than the 36 dropping off at York Rd rather than Park Rd. PVR could be the same too, as the extra 37 mins added the the 36 by returning to Clavering could be covered by 1 extra bus, if the 36/37/38 were to all interwork at Middlesbrough.
They could easily change it.
(02 Aug 2017, 10:55 pm)James101 Hartlepool's upcoming evening 7s are on an odd timetable!
Southbound, buses run Middlegate to Owton Manor, as per daytime - simple.
Northbound, buses terminate in the town centre (York Road), then continue to Clavering as service 6. Upon returning as a 6, buses terminate at Grand Hotel where they then pick up the other half of the 7 they earlier abandoned.
The outcome is passengers on the 7 which intend to travel north across the town will be booted off at York Road and will have 9 minutes to complete a quarter-mile walk to pick up the second half of the 7.
Confusion also arrises as the drop-off stands for the 6 are completely separate from the pick-up stands. I can't see this helping sustainability of these evening services.
I can't help a better way of working would have been the have the 7 stand alone and add the 6 onto the end of the 36. This way everything could match their daytime routes and daytime stops, other than the 36 dropping off at York Rd rather than Park Rd. PVR could be the same too, as the extra 37 mins added the the 36 by returning to Clavering could be covered by 1 extra bus, if the 36/37/38 were to all interwork at Middlesbrough.
(03 Aug 2017, 2:40 am)Kuyoyo BIB: the evening runs on 36/37/38 don't interwork with each other in Middlesbrough on an evening - the 36 and 37 are stand alone using 4 and 1 respectively while the 38 interworks with the 12.
(03 Aug 2017, 3:16 pm)Cock Robin They could easily change it.
That's ridiculous!
(03 Aug 2017, 2:40 am)Kuyoyo BIB: the evening runs on 36/37/38 don't interwork with each other in Middlesbrough on an evening - the 36 and 37 are stand alone using 4 and 1 respectively while the 38 interworks with the 12.
(03 Aug 2017, 3:16 pm)Cock Robin They could easily change it.
That's ridiculous!
(01 Aug 2017, 3:27 pm)Kuyoyo New Teesside Timetables now online
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:54:20:373
Confirms that Teesside's PVR change is -1 - the 12 appears to be a 7 vehicle working judging by the timetable.
EDIT: Also seems the 35 will still interwork with the 52, with certain 52s getting a 10 minute layover in Stockton.
EDIT2: And Hartlepool's can be found here: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:44:53:845
(01 Aug 2017, 3:27 pm)Kuyoyo New Teesside Timetables now online
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:54:20:373
Confirms that Teesside's PVR change is -1 - the 12 appears to be a 7 vehicle working judging by the timetable.
EDIT: Also seems the 35 will still interwork with the 52, with certain 52s getting a 10 minute layover in Stockton.
EDIT2: And Hartlepool's can be found here: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:44:53:845
(10 Aug 2017, 7:30 pm)peter Having looked through the timetables myself I get that the PVR will remain the same...the 10/11 loses 1 bus as does the 12 while the 14/34 gain a bus (though no longer interwork) as do the 35/52/58 (though again no longer interworking) - and if the 35 and 52 are standalone then another bus would be required taking it up to an overall +1.
Service 52 Departs Stockton
09:08
Service 52 Arrives Stockton
10:28
Service 35 Departs Stockton
10:31
Service 35 Arrives Stockton
11:36
Service 52 Departs Stockton
11:38
Therefore 09:08 09:38 10:08 10:38 11:08 - 5 buses
Service 52 Departs Stockton
09:23
Service 52 Arrives Stockton
10:43
Service 52 Departs Stockton
10:53
Therefore 09:23 09:53 10:23 - 3 buses
8 buses required, +4 from service 58 is 12 - current 35/52/58 is 11 (according to one of your previous posts)
Or Standalone
Service 52 Departs Stockton
09:08
Service 52 Arrives Stockton
10:28
Service 52 Departs Stockton
10:38
Therefore 09:08 09:23 09:38 09:53 10:08 10:23 - 6 buses
Service 35 Departs Stockton
09:01
Service 35 Arrives Stockton
10:06
Service 35 Departs Stockton
10:31
Therefore 09:01 09:31 10:01 - 3 buses
9 buses required, +4 from service 58 is 13
(10 Aug 2017, 7:30 pm)peter Having looked through the timetables myself I get that the PVR will remain the same...the 10/11 loses 1 bus as does the 12 while the 14/34 gain a bus (though no longer interwork) as do the 35/52/58 (though again no longer interworking) - and if the 35 and 52 are standalone then another bus would be required taking it up to an overall +1.
Service 52 Departs Stockton
09:08
Service 52 Arrives Stockton
10:28
Service 35 Departs Stockton
10:31
Service 35 Arrives Stockton
11:36
Service 52 Departs Stockton
11:38
Therefore 09:08 09:38 10:08 10:38 11:08 - 5 buses
Service 52 Departs Stockton
09:23
Service 52 Arrives Stockton
10:43
Service 52 Departs Stockton
10:53
Therefore 09:23 09:53 10:23 - 3 buses
8 buses required, +4 from service 58 is 12 - current 35/52/58 is 11 (according to one of your previous posts)
Or Standalone
Service 52 Departs Stockton
09:08
Service 52 Arrives Stockton
10:28
Service 52 Departs Stockton
10:38
Therefore 09:08 09:23 09:38 09:53 10:08 10:23 - 6 buses
Service 35 Departs Stockton
09:01
Service 35 Arrives Stockton
10:06
Service 35 Departs Stockton
10:31
Therefore 09:01 09:31 10:01 - 3 buses
9 buses required, +4 from service 58 is 13
(10 Aug 2017, 7:43 pm)Kuyoyo I honestly can't see the 35 and 52 being standalone on the timetables provided - if the 35 was to be standalone, there's a serious amount of wasted resources with the 35s having 25 minute layovers in Stockton on every trip and the 52s having 10 minute layovers after every trip. So, I can take it as read that the 52/35 will remain as an interworking pattern.
It is interesting to note then, that Stockton retains its PVR yet every other depot has seen reductions.
(10 Aug 2017, 7:43 pm)Kuyoyo I honestly can't see the 35 and 52 being standalone on the timetables provided - if the 35 was to be standalone, there's a serious amount of wasted resources with the 35s having 25 minute layovers in Stockton on every trip and the 52s having 10 minute layovers after every trip. So, I can take it as read that the 52/35 will remain as an interworking pattern.
It is interesting to note then, that Stockton retains its PVR yet every other depot has seen reductions.
(02 Aug 2017, 10:55 pm)James101 Hartlepool's upcoming evening 7s are on an odd timetable!
Southbound, buses run Middlegate to Owton Manor, as per daytime - simple.
Northbound, buses terminate in the town centre (York Road), then continue to Clavering as service 6. Upon returning as a 6, buses terminate at Grand Hotel where they then pick up the other half of the 7 they earlier abandoned.
The outcome is passengers on the 7 which intend to travel north across the town will be booted off at York Road and will have 9 minutes to complete a quarter-mile walk to pick up the second half of the 7.
Confusion also arrises as the drop-off stands for the 6 are completely separate from the pick-up stands. I can't see this helping sustainability of these evening services.
I can't help a better way of working would have been the have the 7 stand alone and add the 6 onto the end of the 36. This way everything could match their daytime routes and daytime stops, other than the 36 dropping off at York Rd rather than Park Rd. PVR could be the same too, as the extra 37 mins added the the 36 by returning to Clavering could be covered by 1 extra bus, if the 36/37/38 were to all interwork at Middlesbrough.
(02 Aug 2017, 10:55 pm)James101 Hartlepool's upcoming evening 7s are on an odd timetable!
Southbound, buses run Middlegate to Owton Manor, as per daytime - simple.
Northbound, buses terminate in the town centre (York Road), then continue to Clavering as service 6. Upon returning as a 6, buses terminate at Grand Hotel where they then pick up the other half of the 7 they earlier abandoned.
The outcome is passengers on the 7 which intend to travel north across the town will be booted off at York Road and will have 9 minutes to complete a quarter-mile walk to pick up the second half of the 7.
Confusion also arrises as the drop-off stands for the 6 are completely separate from the pick-up stands. I can't see this helping sustainability of these evening services.
I can't help a better way of working would have been the have the 7 stand alone and add the 6 onto the end of the 36. This way everything could match their daytime routes and daytime stops, other than the 36 dropping off at York Rd rather than Park Rd. PVR could be the same too, as the extra 37 mins added the the 36 by returning to Clavering could be covered by 1 extra bus, if the 36/37/38 were to all interwork at Middlesbrough.
(10 Aug 2017, 9:00 pm)BusLoverMum That would be a pig for elderly people and those with disabilities. 1/4 mile isn't far for most of us, but my mother in law can't walk that far without getting seriously out of breath (hole in her heart) (My sister in law is another matter - she chooses never to walk as far as 1/4 mile, but she's also convinced that she'd get beaten up if she caught a bus!)
(10 Aug 2017, 9:00 pm)BusLoverMum That would be a pig for elderly people and those with disabilities. 1/4 mile isn't far for most of us, but my mother in law can't walk that far without getting seriously out of breath (hole in her heart) (My sister in law is another matter - she chooses never to walk as far as 1/4 mile, but she's also convinced that she'd get beaten up if she caught a bus!)
Newcastle changes
In short, PVR on 6, 7, 8 increased by 1, 12 cut by 1. Unlike suggested a couple of weeks ago on this thread, the Sunday expresses do not see timetable decreases.
As posted on Facebook by a Coulby Newham Councillor:
From 13th November, the 10 will be revised to operate via Linthorpe Village instead of Longlands to reinstate the link to the One Life Centre for the residents along the former 11 route in Coulby Newham.
They are further looking to reinstate a version of the 11 in the New Year and also reinstate a link to Stainton in what is likely to be a revamped version of the 13.
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Route: Middlesbrough Bus Station to Lingfield Park
Service number: 11 (10)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
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Route: Hemlington or Stainton to Salters Lane
Service number: 1313A (13, 13A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
Just a guess but would appear they're going to re-route one 13 an hour to Stainton as a 13A, no longer serving Hemlington. I guess that's the best they can do without adding extra resource into it
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Route: Newcastle, Pilgrim Street to Horsley Hill
Service number: X34 (X34)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
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Route: Sunderland to Newcastle
Service number: X24 (X24, X24A)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
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BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Dene Estate to Thorney Close
Service number: 23 (23)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
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Route: Red House Estate to Hastings Hill
Service number: 16 (16)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
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Route: Downhill to Doxford Park
Service number: 4su (4)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
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Route: Sunderland John Street to Doxford International
Service number: X1 (X1)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 19 Nov 2017
