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20 Nov 2016, 8:58 am #48
(20 Nov 2016, 12:48 am)James101 Totally happy to say I'm with Southern on that particular kerfuffle. There's some specific examples of them handling the situation badly, but overall they're not any worse than the unions. I wouldn't mind RMT coming out to say they're just job-protecting but it's silly to hide behind unfounded safety claims.

DOO is not the way forward. Any number of things can happen on a train; fully-trained guards carry out the protection of the train in some circumstances. This leaves someone on the train to look after passengers. 
Remove this guard and everything then goes down to the driver - hardly more safe?

In the recent derailment at Watford Junction luckily these services were not DOO so passengers were seen and treated promptly by the guard whilst the driver did all other necessary tasks - ordinarily these would have come before passenger safety.
Ask yourself this. If a driver becomes incapacitated, such as the recent incident at Barking where a driver sadly died, it was only down to another train nearby stopping to check and investigate. Had a guard been on board things would've happened much faster and potentially his life could have been saved.

Operation of train doors (this seems to be the only 'petty' thing that the media love to report on because they're 100% unbiased) is a task that is safer in the hands of a guard - it's only natural that the driver is in charge of driving the train; not continuously checking to see if anyone is trying to make the train they've just missed, slipping and ending up underneath it. A guard would see this, shout to stand back, or if something unfortunate happens, stop the train.

Removing all of this for the sake of cost cutting is absolutely ludicrous; as well as putting dozens of people out of jobs (or degrading their workers' rights which have been hard earned) needlessly.

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20 Nov 2016, 8:58 am #48

(20 Nov 2016, 12:48 am)James101 Totally happy to say I'm with Southern on that particular kerfuffle. There's some specific examples of them handling the situation badly, but overall they're not any worse than the unions. I wouldn't mind RMT coming out to say they're just job-protecting but it's silly to hide behind unfounded safety claims.

DOO is not the way forward. Any number of things can happen on a train; fully-trained guards carry out the protection of the train in some circumstances. This leaves someone on the train to look after passengers. 
Remove this guard and everything then goes down to the driver - hardly more safe?

In the recent derailment at Watford Junction luckily these services were not DOO so passengers were seen and treated promptly by the guard whilst the driver did all other necessary tasks - ordinarily these would have come before passenger safety.
Ask yourself this. If a driver becomes incapacitated, such as the recent incident at Barking where a driver sadly died, it was only down to another train nearby stopping to check and investigate. Had a guard been on board things would've happened much faster and potentially his life could have been saved.

Operation of train doors (this seems to be the only 'petty' thing that the media love to report on because they're 100% unbiased) is a task that is safer in the hands of a guard - it's only natural that the driver is in charge of driving the train; not continuously checking to see if anyone is trying to make the train they've just missed, slipping and ending up underneath it. A guard would see this, shout to stand back, or if something unfortunate happens, stop the train.

Removing all of this for the sake of cost cutting is absolutely ludicrous; as well as putting dozens of people out of jobs (or degrading their workers' rights which have been hard earned) needlessly.


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Railways in General - by R852 PRG - 24 Jul 2014, 5:21 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Adrian - 25 Jul 2014, 2:17 pm
RE: Railways in General - by R852 PRG - 25 Jul 2014, 2:42 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Tom - 25 Jul 2014, 3:04 pm
RE: Railways in General - by R852 PRG - 25 Jul 2014, 3:08 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Tom - 25 Jul 2014, 3:09 pm
RE: Railways in General - by R852 PRG - 25 Jul 2014, 3:14 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Tom - 25 Jul 2014, 3:16 pm
RE: Railways in General - by R852 PRG - 25 Jul 2014, 3:18 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Dan - 25 Jul 2014, 4:50 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 23 Aug 2014, 10:46 am
RE: Railways in General - by citaro5284 - 11 Sep 2014, 4:56 pm
RE: Railways in General - by BusLoverMum - 24 Sep 2015, 5:51 pm
RE: Railways in General - by northern156 - 24 Sep 2015, 6:43 pm
RE: Railways in General - by BusLoverMum - 24 Sep 2015, 6:45 pm
RE: Railways in General - by NK53 TKT - 24 Sep 2015, 6:48 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 24 Sep 2015, 6:51 pm
RE: Railways in General - by DanPicken - 26 Sep 2015, 9:10 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 16 Dec 2015, 8:26 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 02 Jan 2016, 12:56 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Adrian - 02 Jan 2016, 1:06 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 04 Jan 2016, 7:20 pm
RE: Railways in General - by S813 FVK - 08 Jan 2016, 9:37 pm
RE: Railways in General - by BusLoverMum - 24 Feb 2016, 9:05 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 18 Feb 2016, 8:05 am
RE: Railways in General - by omnicity4659 - 25 Feb 2016, 9:41 am
RE: Railways in General - by Jimmi - 25 Feb 2016, 9:28 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Adrian - 25 Feb 2016, 10:19 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 26 Feb 2016, 8:10 am
RE: Railways in General - by Jimmi - 26 Feb 2016, 11:41 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 03 Aug 2016, 8:37 am
RE: Railways in General - by S813 FVK - 07 Aug 2016, 7:39 pm
RE: Railways in General - by northern156 - 08 Aug 2016, 7:51 pm
RE: Railways in General - by 8222 - 09 Aug 2016, 8:19 am
RE: Railways in General - by northern156 - 09 Aug 2016, 8:39 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 10 Aug 2016, 6:49 am
RE: Railways in General - by NK53 TKT - 10 Aug 2016, 10:06 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 16 Aug 2016, 6:38 am
RE: Railways in General - by northern156 - 16 Aug 2016, 11:06 am
RE: Railways in General - by citaro5284 - 18 Aug 2016, 5:20 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 09 Sep 2016, 6:05 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 13 Oct 2016, 7:35 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 18 Oct 2016, 12:53 pm
RE: Railways in General - by 8222 - 07 Nov 2016, 8:45 pm
RE: Railways in General - by northern156 - 20 Nov 2016, 12:15 am
RE: Railways in General - by James101 - 20 Nov 2016, 12:48 am
RE: Railways in General - by northern156 - 20 Nov 2016, 8:58 am
RE: Railways in General - by James101 - 20 Nov 2016, 10:36 am
RE: Railways in General - by northern156 - 20 Nov 2016, 5:59 pm
RE: Railways in General - by James101 - 20 Nov 2016, 11:21 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 20 Nov 2016, 6:59 pm
RE: Railways in General - by James101 - 20 Nov 2016, 11:30 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Adrian - 20 Nov 2016, 9:31 am
Railways in General - by Jimmi - 12 Nov 2016, 9:29 am
RE: Railways in General - by James101 - 28 Nov 2016, 11:38 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 03 Jan 2017, 8:25 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 14 Jan 2017, 11:39 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 17 Jan 2017, 9:17 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 05 Feb 2017, 1:46 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 12 Jul 2017, 11:27 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 13 Jul 2017, 3:18 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 28 Jul 2017, 2:16 pm
RE: Railways in General - by 8222 - 31 Jul 2017, 9:41 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 14 Aug 2017, 9:47 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 16 Aug 2017, 11:18 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 24 Aug 2017, 8:09 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 25 Sep 2017, 3:07 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 09 Oct 2017, 2:00 pm
RE: Railways in General - by 8222 - 12 Oct 2017, 8:10 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 30 Oct 2017, 10:21 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 29 Nov 2017, 12:58 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 05 Dec 2017, 7:44 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 02 Mar 2018, 10:21 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 01 Apr 2018, 7:58 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 14 Jun 2018, 9:05 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 01 Jan 2019, 9:55 pm
RE: Railways in General - by NewcastleOne - 04 Jan 2019, 1:40 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 04 Jan 2019, 3:11 pm
RE: Railways in General - by NewcastleOne - 04 Jan 2019, 4:13 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 26 Feb 2019, 8:00 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 10 Apr 2019, 8:22 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 30 Apr 2019, 8:03 am
RE: Railways in General - by Michael - 01 May 2019, 6:42 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 23 Jul 2019, 5:09 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 29 Aug 2019, 7:05 pm
RE: Railways in General - by idiot - 29 Aug 2019, 10:47 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Michael - 12 Oct 2019, 10:27 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 12 Oct 2019, 12:07 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Michael - 12 Oct 2019, 12:19 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 16 Oct 2019, 2:51 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 21 Sep 2020, 10:06 am
RE: Railways in General - by Adrian - 21 Sep 2020, 10:38 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 21 Sep 2020, 12:20 pm
RE: Railways in General - by citaro5284 - 18 Oct 2020, 5:24 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 28 Jun 2021, 2:34 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Adrian - 28 Jun 2021, 2:57 pm
RE: Railways in General - by idiot - 02 Jul 2021, 8:40 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Storx - 02 Jul 2021, 11:34 pm
RE: Railways in General - by 54APhotography - 03 Jul 2021, 6:44 am
RE: Railways in General - by Malarkey - 02 Sep 2021, 8:32 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 02 Sep 2021, 8:44 pm
RE: Railways in General - by anvil1984 - 02 Sep 2021, 8:52 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 02 Sep 2021, 9:09 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Ianthegoon - 03 Sep 2021, 7:15 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 03 Sep 2021, 12:04 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Jimmi - 03 Sep 2021, 7:42 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 17 Jan 2022, 6:25 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Adrian - 17 Jan 2022, 8:30 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 03 Mar 2022, 8:02 am
RE: Railways in General - by omnicity4659 - 08 Apr 2022, 9:48 am
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 04 May 2022, 6:36 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Storx - 04 May 2022, 8:04 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 04 May 2022, 8:57 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Storx - 04 May 2022, 9:17 pm
RE: Railways in General - by 8222 - 04 May 2022, 6:55 pm
RE: Railways in General - by Andreos1 - 04 Jul 2022, 1:54 pm
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