Transport Photography
Transport Photography
Here's new one in the Extremes of Transport Photography, According to the Bus Station Manager at Washington Galleries Photography is strictly forbidden in Area around The Galleries, due to there being Publicly Listed Buildings situated in the Area near the Bus Station (Durham House and The Galleries Shopping Centre) being the Examples he used, I was informed of this whilst photographing 5337 on the 8 from the Ramp next to where the 8 Stand is.
I personally think this becoming beyond a Joke at the Moment, and this issue needs resolving in somehow.
Never heard anyone complain about it because of publicly listed buildings, but I was approached close to when I first started taking photos by a security guard from The Galleries.
He wasn't nasty about it or anything to my memory, he apologised and then simply stated that, as it's private land, you can't take photographs anywhere near The Galleries and that I had to put my camera away.
(07 Oct 2014, 7:41 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Here's new one in the Extremes of Transport Photography, According to the Bus Station Manager at Washington Galleries Photography is strictly forbidden in Area around The Galleries, due to there being Publicly Listed Buildings situated in the Area near the Bus Station (Durham House and The Galleries Shopping Centre) being the Examples he used, I was informed of this whilst photographing 5337 on the 8 from the Ramp next to where the 8 Stand is.
I personally think this becoming beyond a Joke at the Moment, and this issue needs resolving in somehow.
(07 Oct 2014, 7:41 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Here's new one in the Extremes of Transport Photography, According to the Bus Station Manager at Washington Galleries Photography is strictly forbidden in Area around The Galleries, due to there being Publicly Listed Buildings situated in the Area near the Bus Station (Durham House and The Galleries Shopping Centre) being the Examples he used, I was informed of this whilst photographing 5337 on the 8 from the Ramp next to where the 8 Stand is.
I personally think this becoming beyond a Joke at the Moment, and this issue needs resolving in somehow.
(07 Oct 2014, 7:51 pm)aureolin The short guy with the dark hair and glasses? He's usually sound to be honest.
You don't need me to tell you what he's told you is a load of tosh though. It's private property yes, but as a GNE employee, he has no authority outside of the bus station. I don't actually think there's such thing as a publicly listed building either... suggest you just drop GNE an email about it.
(07 Oct 2014, 7:51 pm)aureolin The short guy with the dark hair and glasses? He's usually sound to be honest.
You don't need me to tell you what he's told you is a load of tosh though. It's private property yes, but as a GNE employee, he has no authority outside of the bus station. I don't actually think there's such thing as a publicly listed building either... suggest you just drop GNE an email about it.
Nexus arent interested in discussing it. Neither were the ITA officers. We've written to them previously, and whilst they agreed that the heavy handed approach was unacceptable, they only said they'd review the policy in due course. They wouldn't meet face to face.
I don't think there's anything GNE or the other operators need to discuss. They all welcome enthusiasts, and it's rare you get any grief. Those who do give you grief aren't towing the company line, and more their own personal views.
(08 Oct 2014, 5:43 am)aureolin Nexus arent interested in discussing it. Neither were the ITA officers. We've written to them previously, and whilst they agreed that the heavy handed approach was unacceptable, they only said they'd review the policy in due course. They wouldn't meet face to face.
I don't think there's anything GNE or the other operators need to discuss. They all welcome enthusiasts, and it's rare you get any grief. Those who do give you grief aren't towing the company line, and more their own personal views.
(08 Oct 2014, 5:43 am)aureolin Nexus arent interested in discussing it. Neither were the ITA officers. We've written to them previously, and whilst they agreed that the heavy handed approach was unacceptable, they only said they'd review the policy in due course. They wouldn't meet face to face.
I don't think there's anything GNE or the other operators need to discuss. They all welcome enthusiasts, and it's rare you get any grief. Those who do give you grief aren't towing the company line, and more their own personal views.
It depends which area you are taking pictures from. If its not actually part of the bus station then it should be ok. The map shows what i think counts as part of the bus station and therefore, is private property that photos shouldnt be taken on. Red is part of the bus station and yellow is what isnt part of the bus station despite going over it:
(08 Oct 2014, 5:28 pm)Robert It depends which area you are taking pictures from. If its not actually part of the bus station then it should be ok. The map shows what i think counts as part of the bus station and therefore, is private property that photos shouldnt be taken on. Red is part of the bus station and yellow is what isnt part of the bus station despite going over it:
(08 Oct 2014, 5:28 pm)Robert It depends which area you are taking pictures from. If its not actually part of the bus station then it should be ok. The map shows what i think counts as part of the bus station and therefore, is private property that photos shouldnt be taken on. Red is part of the bus station and yellow is what isnt part of the bus station despite going over it:
(08 Oct 2014, 10:04 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Good Lord Google needs to update there Satellite Imagery, That's around 6-7 Years Old that right there as the New Galleries Bus Station was in the process of being Built in 2008 iirc, I was on the Ramp which leads up on to Asda Car Park, so technically I was in the Bus Station when I took the Photo, At the end of the day I think these so called Rules are completely Stupid.
(08 Oct 2014, 10:04 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Good Lord Google needs to update there Satellite Imagery, That's around 6-7 Years Old that right there as the New Galleries Bus Station was in the process of being Built in 2008 iirc, I was on the Ramp which leads up on to Asda Car Park, so technically I was in the Bus Station when I took the Photo, At the end of the day I think these so called Rules are completely Stupid.
(09 Oct 2014, 3:40 pm)Robert Id say the ramps that go over the bridge doesnt really count as being part of the bus station so id say that you were ok about taking photos. Dont think anything anybody should have said anything or had a problem with you taking photos.
(09 Oct 2014, 3:40 pm)Robert Id say the ramps that go over the bridge doesnt really count as being part of the bus station so id say that you were ok about taking photos. Dont think anything anybody should have said anything or had a problem with you taking photos.
(25 Oct 2014, 1:19 pm)ArrivaNE_7522 one got off the coach and demanded that I deleted the photos of 4041 because it had his face in it! #complaintsent
Quote:'Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel' and that 'The power to stop and search someone under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 no longer exists.'From:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography...hotography
(25 Oct 2014, 1:19 pm)ArrivaNE_7522 one got off the coach and demanded that I deleted the photos of 4041 because it had his face in it! #complaintsent
Quote:'Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel' and that 'The power to stop and search someone under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 no longer exists.'From:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography...hotography
(25 Oct 2014, 3:00 pm)G-CPTN Anyone is free to photograph in a public place (unless the area is designated as prohibited under National Security - such as a military establishment).So that'll include Bus Stations then.
From:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography...hotography
(25 Oct 2014, 3:00 pm)G-CPTN Anyone is free to photograph in a public place (unless the area is designated as prohibited under National Security - such as a military establishment).So that'll include Bus Stations then.
From:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography...hotography
(25 Oct 2014, 3:01 pm)NEBCD Malarkey So that'll include Bus Stations then.
(25 Oct 2014, 3:01 pm)NEBCD Malarkey So that'll include Bus Stations then.
(25 Oct 2014, 3:01 pm)NEBCD Malarkey So that'll include Bus Stations then.
(25 Oct 2014, 3:01 pm)NEBCD Malarkey So that'll include Bus Stations then.
Quote:There is no general restriction on taking photographs while on private property, provided the photographer has permission to be on the property.
However, the owner has the right to impose whatever conditions he wishes on entry to his property, including a restriction on photography.
A person who enters onto private property without permission commits a trespass, as does anyone who “interferes” with the property. Interference could be something as minor as climbing on the landowner’s wall to take a photograph over the wall or resting a camera on a fence.
If a person has permission to enter property on the condition that he does not take photographs, but he ignores the condition, he becomes a trespasser as soon as he takes a photo.
Even where property is open to entry by the public in general, as in the case of most business premises, the owner or occupier has the right to demand that a photographer cease taking photographs and the right to demand that he leave the premises.
In England and Wales, any unauthorised entry on to privately owned land, or buildings or structures attached to land, is a trespass, regardless of whether any damage is done to the property. This is not a criminal offence in most circumstances, but the landowner can sue for damages for trespass even if no physical damage has been caused.
A landowner can seek an injunction to prevent an individual from continuing to trespass.
In theory, a court could also make an order preventing the publication of photographs taken while trespassing, but the UK courts have been reluctant to do this.
Property owners have limited rights of self-help against a trespasser. An occupier can use reasonable force to prevent a trespasser entering his property and also to remove a trespasser who refuses to leave. A violent attack would be unreasonable, as would threatening someone with a gun or other weapon.
The same rules apply to security guards, bouncers and the like; they are acting as agents of the owner or occupier of property and they too can only use reasonable force.
Neither the property owner nor his employees have any right to confiscate or damage a photographer's camera or other equipment, or to demand film or the deletion of memory cards.
In practical terms, though, a photographer who is trespassing would be best advised to leave when asked; just because a landowner isn’t allowed to use violence doesn’t necessarily mean that he won’t.
It is a criminal offence, punishable by a fine, to trespass on some property, notably railways, aerodromes, military bases and places where explosives are manufactured and/or stored. A photographer who enters onto these kinds of premises without permission is liable to be arrested.
It is illegal to harass another person and taking photographs could amount to harassment. This isn't to say that someone could claim they were being harassed just because they were being photographed when they didn't want to be.
Harassment is essentially behaviour that causes another person alarm or distress and it refers to a course of conduct, not a single incident. (A "course of conduct" means at least two occasions.)
Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights gives everyone the right to respect for his private and family life. It is hard to be certain about what will and what will not amount to an infringement of Article 8.
For images of people in public places, the key seems to be whether the place is one where a person would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Privacy actions in the UK have been concerned with publication rather than simply the taking of a photograph, but a recent decision of the ECHR suggest that simply taking a photograph may, in some circumstances, infringe the right.
Photographers are therefore advised to be careful when taking photographs intended for some kind of publication, even when the subject is in a public place.
Photographs of people may also be subject to the Data Protection Act, which controls the "processing" of "personal data", that is, data relating to an individual and from which the individual can be identified.
There has not yet been a court case that has determined whether or not an image of a person, without any other identifying information, would be caught by the Act, so photographers should be aware of the possibility.
It is a criminal offence to obstruct free passage on the highway and this includes footways and cycle paths as well as roads.
Another obstruction offence is that of obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty. This basically means doing anything that makes it more difficult for the police to carry out their duties effectively.
Getting in the way of the police while trying to photograph an incident, for example, would be obstructing them.
Following on from the discussion about freedom to photograph, the following is an informed summary.
Mods feel free to move this to a more suitable location.
Quote:There is no general restriction on taking photographs while on private property, provided the photographer has permission to be on the property.
However, the owner has the right to impose whatever conditions he wishes on entry to his property, including a restriction on photography.
A person who enters onto private property without permission commits a trespass, as does anyone who “interferes” with the property. Interference could be something as minor as climbing on the landowner’s wall to take a photograph over the wall or resting a camera on a fence.
If a person has permission to enter property on the condition that he does not take photographs, but he ignores the condition, he becomes a trespasser as soon as he takes a photo.
Even where property is open to entry by the public in general, as in the case of most business premises, the owner or occupier has the right to demand that a photographer cease taking photographs and the right to demand that he leave the premises.
In England and Wales, any unauthorised entry on to privately owned land, or buildings or structures attached to land, is a trespass, regardless of whether any damage is done to the property. This is not a criminal offence in most circumstances, but the landowner can sue for damages for trespass even if no physical damage has been caused.
A landowner can seek an injunction to prevent an individual from continuing to trespass.
In theory, a court could also make an order preventing the publication of photographs taken while trespassing, but the UK courts have been reluctant to do this.
Property owners have limited rights of self-help against a trespasser. An occupier can use reasonable force to prevent a trespasser entering his property and also to remove a trespasser who refuses to leave. A violent attack would be unreasonable, as would threatening someone with a gun or other weapon.
The same rules apply to security guards, bouncers and the like; they are acting as agents of the owner or occupier of property and they too can only use reasonable force.
Neither the property owner nor his employees have any right to confiscate or damage a photographer's camera or other equipment, or to demand film or the deletion of memory cards.
In practical terms, though, a photographer who is trespassing would be best advised to leave when asked; just because a landowner isn’t allowed to use violence doesn’t necessarily mean that he won’t.
It is a criminal offence, punishable by a fine, to trespass on some property, notably railways, aerodromes, military bases and places where explosives are manufactured and/or stored. A photographer who enters onto these kinds of premises without permission is liable to be arrested.
It is illegal to harass another person and taking photographs could amount to harassment. This isn't to say that someone could claim they were being harassed just because they were being photographed when they didn't want to be.
Harassment is essentially behaviour that causes another person alarm or distress and it refers to a course of conduct, not a single incident. (A "course of conduct" means at least two occasions.)
Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights gives everyone the right to respect for his private and family life. It is hard to be certain about what will and what will not amount to an infringement of Article 8.
For images of people in public places, the key seems to be whether the place is one where a person would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Privacy actions in the UK have been concerned with publication rather than simply the taking of a photograph, but a recent decision of the ECHR suggest that simply taking a photograph may, in some circumstances, infringe the right.
Photographers are therefore advised to be careful when taking photographs intended for some kind of publication, even when the subject is in a public place.
Photographs of people may also be subject to the Data Protection Act, which controls the "processing" of "personal data", that is, data relating to an individual and from which the individual can be identified.
There has not yet been a court case that has determined whether or not an image of a person, without any other identifying information, would be caught by the Act, so photographers should be aware of the possibility.
It is a criminal offence to obstruct free passage on the highway and this includes footways and cycle paths as well as roads.
Another obstruction offence is that of obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty. This basically means doing anything that makes it more difficult for the police to carry out their duties effectively.
Getting in the way of the police while trying to photograph an incident, for example, would be obstructing them.
(25 Oct 2014, 3:00 pm)G-CPTN Anyone is free to photograph in a public place (unless the area is designated as prohibited under National Security - such as a military establishment).
From:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography...hotography
(25 Oct 2014, 4:28 pm)G-CPTN Following on from the discussion about freedom to photograph, the following is a informed summary.
Mods feel free to move this to a more suitable location.
From (and more at):- http://www.sirimo.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...hts-v2.pdf
Fixed 2 of your links mate
(25 Oct 2014, 3:00 pm)G-CPTN Anyone is free to photograph in a public place (unless the area is designated as prohibited under National Security - such as a military establishment).
From:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography...hotography
(25 Oct 2014, 4:28 pm)G-CPTN Following on from the discussion about freedom to photograph, the following is a informed summary.
Mods feel free to move this to a more suitable location.
From (and more at):- http://www.sirimo.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...hts-v2.pdf
As you may know I have a Flickr Photostream which I try to update as much as possible, recently I've noticed that many of my photos have been of Arriva's buses and many of them have been in Darlington and I feel that my Photostream may be becoming a bit repetitive, so at the moment I am currently looking into taking photos in some different places, in the next week or so I plan to take photos in Barnard Castle, Gateshead, Middlesbrough, Newcastle and Sunderland. I am also planning to get some photos in slightly different places like Richmond, Northallerton and places on Teesside and in Tyne and Wear in the coming months.
Does anyone know any great spots to take photos in Gateshead and Newcastle area.
I hope you will all enjoy viewing my photos when they are taken and uploaded to my Photostream.
(09 Nov 2014, 8:00 pm)Jimmi As you may know I have a Flickr Photostream which I try to update as much as possible, recently I've noticed that many of my photos have been of Arriva's buses and many of them have been in Darlington and I feel that my Photostream may be becoming a bit repetitive, so at the moment I am currently looking into taking photos in some different places, in the next week or so I plan to take photos in Barnard Castle, Gateshead, Middlesbrough, Newcastle and Sunderland. I am also planning to get some photos in slightly different places like Richmond, Northallerton and places on Teesside and in Tyne and Wear in the coming months.
Does anyone know any great spots to take photos in Gateshead and Newcastle area.
I hope you will all enjoy viewing my photos when they are taken and uploaded to my Photostream.
(09 Nov 2014, 8:00 pm)Jimmi As you may know I have a Flickr Photostream which I try to update as much as possible, recently I've noticed that many of my photos have been of Arriva's buses and many of them have been in Darlington and I feel that my Photostream may be becoming a bit repetitive, so at the moment I am currently looking into taking photos in some different places, in the next week or so I plan to take photos in Barnard Castle, Gateshead, Middlesbrough, Newcastle and Sunderland. I am also planning to get some photos in slightly different places like Richmond, Northallerton and places on Teesside and in Tyne and Wear in the coming months.
Does anyone know any great spots to take photos in Gateshead and Newcastle area.
I hope you will all enjoy viewing my photos when they are taken and uploaded to my Photostream.