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Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - July 2013

 
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tyresmoke



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13 Jul 2013, 8:40 pm #21
They had all Pulsars on the X1 today, not sure why.

Stockton had their fair share of unusual workings, including Dart 1772 on 21A (2 in 2 days, 1771 spent the day on there yesterday too!), Dart 1755 on 28/30, 1753 on X6 and Prestige 4039 appeared on service 15 this afternoon as a changeover.
tyresmoke
13 Jul 2013, 8:40 pm #21

They had all Pulsars on the X1 today, not sure why.

Stockton had their fair share of unusual workings, including Dart 1772 on 21A (2 in 2 days, 1771 spent the day on there yesterday too!), Dart 1755 on 28/30, 1753 on X6 and Prestige 4039 appeared on service 15 this afternoon as a changeover.

Andreos1



14,208
13 Jul 2013, 10:21 pm #22
Pulsars on the Middlesbrough - Durham X1?
Is that the Durham and Stockton allocation or both?

On a seperate note, very attractive ticketing offers for residents in the Bishop Auckland area, particularly if travelling North beyond Durham www.arrivabus.co.uk/fares-west-durham/.
Edited 13 Jul 2013, 10:22 pm by Andreos1.
Andreos1
13 Jul 2013, 10:21 pm #22

Pulsars on the Middlesbrough - Durham X1?
Is that the Durham and Stockton allocation or both?

On a seperate note, very attractive ticketing offers for residents in the Bishop Auckland area, particularly if travelling North beyond Durham www.arrivabus.co.uk/fares-west-durham/.

Kuyoyo



6,853
13 Jul 2013, 10:29 pm #23
(13 Jul 2013, 10:21 pm)Andreos1 Pulsars on the Middlesbrough - Durham X1?
Is that the Durham and Stockton allocation or both?

On a seperate note, very attractive ticketing offers for residents in the Bishop Auckland area, particularly if travelling North beyond Durham www.arrivabus.co.uk/fares-west-durham/.

Durham only today, although Stockton's workings are due to become Pulsar worked from the end of the month.
Kuyoyo
13 Jul 2013, 10:29 pm #23

(13 Jul 2013, 10:21 pm)Andreos1 Pulsars on the Middlesbrough - Durham X1?
Is that the Durham and Stockton allocation or both?

On a seperate note, very attractive ticketing offers for residents in the Bishop Auckland area, particularly if travelling North beyond Durham www.arrivabus.co.uk/fares-west-durham/.

Durham only today, although Stockton's workings are due to become Pulsar worked from the end of the month.

gtom

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13 Jul 2013, 10:50 pm #24
(13 Jul 2013, 10:21 pm)Andreos1 Pulsars on the Middlesbrough - Durham X1?
Is that the Durham and Stockton allocation or both?

On a seperate note, very attractive ticketing offers for residents in the Bishop Auckland area, particularly if travelling North beyond Durham www.arrivabus.co.uk/fares-west-durham/.

They need to push that fare on X2. Fantastic value. DD always seem light loadings off peak. Perhaps SD ops make more sense
gtom
13 Jul 2013, 10:50 pm #24

(13 Jul 2013, 10:21 pm)Andreos1 Pulsars on the Middlesbrough - Durham X1?
Is that the Durham and Stockton allocation or both?

On a seperate note, very attractive ticketing offers for residents in the Bishop Auckland area, particularly if travelling North beyond Durham www.arrivabus.co.uk/fares-west-durham/.

They need to push that fare on X2. Fantastic value. DD always seem light loadings off peak. Perhaps SD ops make more sense

tyresmoke



5,318
13 Jul 2013, 11:12 pm #25
Thing is DDs do get full at times! Memories of following a Durham X1 through Stockton and taking a Prestige full because the Gemini in front of me was full... god knows what happened that day!
The Durham Uni students provide a heavy passenger loading on X1... It's generally the X2 that is the lesser of the two (by a long way I'm told!) but it justifies running it.
tyresmoke
13 Jul 2013, 11:12 pm #25

Thing is DDs do get full at times! Memories of following a Durham X1 through Stockton and taking a Prestige full because the Gemini in front of me was full... god knows what happened that day!
The Durham Uni students provide a heavy passenger loading on X1... It's generally the X2 that is the lesser of the two (by a long way I'm told!) but it justifies running it.

Andreos1



14,208
13 Jul 2013, 11:15 pm #26
They need to push it and increase frequency North of Durham - marketing both to students at Colleges and Uni's as well as commuters etc.
Wonder how many students in say Spennymoor heading to New College know about this and will switch from the GNE offer?

Arriva will never be able to compete with the 21 for frequency. But I'm not sure having an hourly X2 (no matter how cheap it is) will attract passengers.

Is it a coincidence this ticket is launched as GNE announce a partial pull out of the area?
It has obviously been planned a while, to get costings drawn up, boundaries changed.
Has someone in GNE towers got wind of it and raised the white flag?
Andreos1
13 Jul 2013, 11:15 pm #26

They need to push it and increase frequency North of Durham - marketing both to students at Colleges and Uni's as well as commuters etc.
Wonder how many students in say Spennymoor heading to New College know about this and will switch from the GNE offer?

Arriva will never be able to compete with the 21 for frequency. But I'm not sure having an hourly X2 (no matter how cheap it is) will attract passengers.

Is it a coincidence this ticket is launched as GNE announce a partial pull out of the area?
It has obviously been planned a while, to get costings drawn up, boundaries changed.
Has someone in GNE towers got wind of it and raised the white flag?

tyresmoke



5,318
14 Jul 2013, 12:19 am #27
The X2 is half hourly. They need to push the fact the Durham district ticket is valid to Newcastle and Metrocentre! I didn't know until I was told recently, so how are our normal passengers meant to know?
tyresmoke
14 Jul 2013, 12:19 am #27

The X2 is half hourly. They need to push the fact the Durham district ticket is valid to Newcastle and Metrocentre! I didn't know until I was told recently, so how are our normal passengers meant to know?

nk55



372
14 Jul 2013, 6:12 am #28
If i had the option of getting to my destination quicker on a V reg bus & paying a little more or a 61 reg bus paying less, i'm on the gne bus every time. Also would i get the 6 from bishop & then changing buses in durham to the X2 when i can catch a bus straight through.....No brainer.
nk55
14 Jul 2013, 6:12 am #28

If i had the option of getting to my destination quicker on a V reg bus & paying a little more or a 61 reg bus paying less, i'm on the gne bus every time. Also would i get the 6 from bishop & then changing buses in durham to the X2 when i can catch a bus straight through.....No brainer.

Andreos1



14,208
14 Jul 2013, 9:11 am #29
Ah, didn't realise the X2 was half hourly.

The quote from NK55 is really ramming home what I am trying to say though. Without some sort of increase in frequency or an alternative that will compete with GNE, I'm not sure having a cheap ticket will always win.

The two combined will win.
Andreos1
14 Jul 2013, 9:11 am #29

Ah, didn't realise the X2 was half hourly.

The quote from NK55 is really ramming home what I am trying to say though. Without some sort of increase in frequency or an alternative that will compete with GNE, I'm not sure having a cheap ticket will always win.

The two combined will win.

MurdnunoC



3,974
14 Jul 2013, 9:30 am #30
Just a little price comparison table I've knocked up.

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Arriva-GNE-Durham-Comparison-page-001 (1).jpg
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I understand the point that is being made about the inconvenience of changing onto a less frequent bus at Durham. However, if connections were good and the bus was reliable (in the sense it wasn't held up), then I might be convinced to switch if I was travelling this route everyday and currently buying a 28-Day Buzzfare from GNE. There are some good savings to be made by doing so.

EDIT: Re-sized table.
Edited 14 Jul 2013, 9:34 am by MurdnunoC.
MurdnunoC
14 Jul 2013, 9:30 am #30

Just a little price comparison table I've knocked up.

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Arriva-GNE-Durham-Comparison-page-001 (1).jpg
Size 307.4 KB / Downloads 56


I understand the point that is being made about the inconvenience of changing onto a less frequent bus at Durham. However, if connections were good and the bus was reliable (in the sense it wasn't held up), then I might be convinced to switch if I was travelling this route everyday and currently buying a 28-Day Buzzfare from GNE. There are some good savings to be made by doing so.

EDIT: Re-sized table.

tyresmoke



5,318
14 Jul 2013, 10:35 am #31
Not sure what the GNE fares are but here's some fares from Arriva...

Middlesbrough-Newcastle £5.70 (rtn £6.70)
Middlesbrough-Durham £5.20 (rtn £6.70)
Durham-Newcastle £3.50 (rtn £5.80)
Durham-Chester £2.70 (rtn £4.80)
Chester-Newcastle £2.70 (rtn £4.80)
tyresmoke
14 Jul 2013, 10:35 am #31

Not sure what the GNE fares are but here's some fares from Arriva...

Middlesbrough-Newcastle £5.70 (rtn £6.70)
Middlesbrough-Durham £5.20 (rtn £6.70)
Durham-Newcastle £3.50 (rtn £5.80)
Durham-Chester £2.70 (rtn £4.80)
Chester-Newcastle £2.70 (rtn £4.80)

BJ10VUS



850
14 Jul 2013, 10:44 am #32
I think probably think a slight factor putting people off the X2 is that it stops running around 6-7pm, whereas the 21 continues until midnight and even the next day at the weekend.
BJ10VUS
14 Jul 2013, 10:44 am #32

I think probably think a slight factor putting people off the X2 is that it stops running around 6-7pm, whereas the 21 continues until midnight and even the next day at the weekend.

MurdnunoC



3,974
14 Jul 2013, 4:16 pm #33
(14 Jul 2013, 10:35 am)tyresmoke Not sure what the GNE fares are but here's some fares from Arriva...

Middlesbrough-Newcastle £5.70 (rtn £6.70)
Middlesbrough-Durham £5.20 (rtn £6.70)
Durham-Newcastle £3.50 (rtn £5.80)
Durham-Chester £2.70 (rtn £4.80)
Chester-Newcastle £2.70 (rtn £4.80)

At last, some direct comparisons. The GNE fares are:

Middlesbrough - Newcastle £6.80 (rtn £7.30)
Durham - Newcastle £3.95 (rtn £5.50)
Durham - Chester £3.15 (rtn £4.40)
Chester - Newcastle £3.15 (rtn £4.40)

[A comparative fare between Durham and Middlesbrough won't exist as GNE do not operate a direct service between those destinations. (As if I really needed to point that out to you all Tongue) ]

From this we can see that single fares are cheaper on Arriva, but return fares are cheaper on GNE with one exception: the Newcastle to Middlesbrough fare.
MurdnunoC
14 Jul 2013, 4:16 pm #33

(14 Jul 2013, 10:35 am)tyresmoke Not sure what the GNE fares are but here's some fares from Arriva...

Middlesbrough-Newcastle £5.70 (rtn £6.70)
Middlesbrough-Durham £5.20 (rtn £6.70)
Durham-Newcastle £3.50 (rtn £5.80)
Durham-Chester £2.70 (rtn £4.80)
Chester-Newcastle £2.70 (rtn £4.80)

At last, some direct comparisons. The GNE fares are:

Middlesbrough - Newcastle £6.80 (rtn £7.30)
Durham - Newcastle £3.95 (rtn £5.50)
Durham - Chester £3.15 (rtn £4.40)
Chester - Newcastle £3.15 (rtn £4.40)

[A comparative fare between Durham and Middlesbrough won't exist as GNE do not operate a direct service between those destinations. (As if I really needed to point that out to you all Tongue) ]

From this we can see that single fares are cheaper on Arriva, but return fares are cheaper on GNE with one exception: the Newcastle to Middlesbrough fare.

nk55



372
14 Jul 2013, 7:24 pm #34
(14 Jul 2013, 9:30 am)AdamY Just a little price comparison table I've knocked up.



I understand the point that is being made about the inconvenience of changing onto a less frequent bus at Durham. However, if connections were good and the bus was reliable (in the sense it wasn't held up), then I might be convinced to switch if I was travelling this route everyday and currently buying a 28-Day Buzzfare from GNE. There are some good savings to be made by doing so.

EDIT: Re-sized table.

Just to clarify your comparable gne fares are way out

Bishop to Durham £12.50 weekly
Bishop to Newcastle £21.80 weekly
Durham to Newcastle £16.60 weekly.
nk55
14 Jul 2013, 7:24 pm #34

(14 Jul 2013, 9:30 am)AdamY Just a little price comparison table I've knocked up.



I understand the point that is being made about the inconvenience of changing onto a less frequent bus at Durham. However, if connections were good and the bus was reliable (in the sense it wasn't held up), then I might be convinced to switch if I was travelling this route everyday and currently buying a 28-Day Buzzfare from GNE. There are some good savings to be made by doing so.

EDIT: Re-sized table.

Just to clarify your comparable gne fares are way out

Bishop to Durham £12.50 weekly
Bishop to Newcastle £21.80 weekly
Durham to Newcastle £16.60 weekly.

gtom

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14 Jul 2013, 7:50 pm #35
(14 Jul 2013, 6:12 am)nk55 If i had the option of getting to my destination quicker on a V reg bus & paying a little more or a 61 reg bus paying less, i'm on the gne bus every time. Also would i get the 6 from bishop & then changing buses in durham to the X2 when i can catch a bus straight through.....No brainer.

If we're talking straight traffic from Durham to Newcastle then I'd use the X2.

Wi-Fi, on board announcements and headrests are nothing but gimmicks. From experience the X2 is a lot lot quicker.

The average consumer isn't going to care about V reg or 61 reg.
gtom
14 Jul 2013, 7:50 pm #35

(14 Jul 2013, 6:12 am)nk55 If i had the option of getting to my destination quicker on a V reg bus & paying a little more or a 61 reg bus paying less, i'm on the gne bus every time. Also would i get the 6 from bishop & then changing buses in durham to the X2 when i can catch a bus straight through.....No brainer.

If we're talking straight traffic from Durham to Newcastle then I'd use the X2.

Wi-Fi, on board announcements and headrests are nothing but gimmicks. From experience the X2 is a lot lot quicker.

The average consumer isn't going to care about V reg or 61 reg.

nk55



372
14 Jul 2013, 8:11 pm #36
If my memory serves me right the X21 takes 48 mins from durham to newcastle, where as the X2 takes longer, the 21 being the slowest of the 3.
nk55
14 Jul 2013, 8:11 pm #36

If my memory serves me right the X21 takes 48 mins from durham to newcastle, where as the X2 takes longer, the 21 being the slowest of the 3.

Kuyoyo



6,853
14 Jul 2013, 8:20 pm #37
(14 Jul 2013, 8:11 pm)nk55 If my memory serves me right the X21 takes 48 mins from durham to newcastle, where as the X2 takes longer, the 21 being the slowest of the 3.

X21 takes 49 mins, X2 isn't that much longer at 54 minutes, so there's only 5 minutes different despite the X21 not stopping between Chester-Le-Street and Gateshead while the X2 stops in Birtley and Low Fell.
Kuyoyo
14 Jul 2013, 8:20 pm #37

(14 Jul 2013, 8:11 pm)nk55 If my memory serves me right the X21 takes 48 mins from durham to newcastle, where as the X2 takes longer, the 21 being the slowest of the 3.

X21 takes 49 mins, X2 isn't that much longer at 54 minutes, so there's only 5 minutes different despite the X21 not stopping between Chester-Le-Street and Gateshead while the X2 stops in Birtley and Low Fell.

MurdnunoC



3,974
14 Jul 2013, 8:22 pm #38
(14 Jul 2013, 7:24 pm)nk55
(14 Jul 2013, 9:30 am)AdamY Just a little price comparison table I've knocked up.



I understand the point that is being made about the inconvenience of changing onto a less frequent bus at Durham. However, if connections were good and the bus was reliable (in the sense it wasn't held up), then I might be convinced to switch if I was travelling this route everyday and currently buying a 28-Day Buzzfare from GNE. There are some good savings to be made by doing so.

EDIT: Re-sized table.

Just to clarify your comparable gne fares are way out

Bishop to Durham £12.50 weekly
Bishop to Newcastle £21.80 weekly
Durham to Newcastle £16.60 weekly.

D'oh. I forgot about the service specific fares. Angry (As I said, it was a quick effort)

The prices I used were based upon two and three-zone buzzfare tickets. What are the monthly and annual equivalent prices for 21/X21 tickets?
Edited 14 Jul 2013, 8:23 pm by MurdnunoC.
MurdnunoC
14 Jul 2013, 8:22 pm #38

(14 Jul 2013, 7:24 pm)nk55
(14 Jul 2013, 9:30 am)AdamY Just a little price comparison table I've knocked up.



I understand the point that is being made about the inconvenience of changing onto a less frequent bus at Durham. However, if connections were good and the bus was reliable (in the sense it wasn't held up), then I might be convinced to switch if I was travelling this route everyday and currently buying a 28-Day Buzzfare from GNE. There are some good savings to be made by doing so.

EDIT: Re-sized table.

Just to clarify your comparable gne fares are way out

Bishop to Durham £12.50 weekly
Bishop to Newcastle £21.80 weekly
Durham to Newcastle £16.60 weekly.

D'oh. I forgot about the service specific fares. Angry (As I said, it was a quick effort)

The prices I used were based upon two and three-zone buzzfare tickets. What are the monthly and annual equivalent prices for 21/X21 tickets?

Kuyoyo



6,853
14 Jul 2013, 9:07 pm #39
I give you SightSeeker
Kuyoyo
14 Jul 2013, 9:07 pm #39

I give you SightSeeker

gtom

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14 Jul 2013, 9:10 pm #40
(14 Jul 2013, 9:07 pm)Kuyoyo I give you SightSeeker

Sight Seeker?

That's utterly terrible!
gtom
14 Jul 2013, 9:10 pm #40

(14 Jul 2013, 9:07 pm)Kuyoyo I give you SightSeeker

Sight Seeker?

That's utterly terrible!

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