(02 Feb 2014, 3:03 pm)Dan Assuming the frequency was to stay the same with a double decker (not sure where the reduction in frequency comes into play?), buying additional smaller single decked vehicles to meet the same seats per hour is likely to be more expensive in the long run.
With a bigger frequency comes more costs (insurance, various equipment a company uses to track vehicles etc, destination display equipment, drivers' wages etc).
(02 Feb 2014, 3:03 pm)Dan Assuming the frequency was to stay the same with a double decker (not sure where the reduction in frequency comes into play?), buying additional smaller single decked vehicles to meet the same seats per hour is likely to be more expensive in the long run.
With a bigger frequency comes more costs (insurance, various equipment a company uses to track vehicles etc, destination display equipment, drivers' wages etc).
(02 Feb 2014, 3:19 pm)andreos1 The 10 is probably a good example of that (cant think of ANE examples off the top of my head).
If you think about when it was all single deck operation and ran on the greater frequency between Hexham and Newcastle - compared to the current frequency on the deckers, with a smaller PVR, but similar seats per hour on the route.
I imagine costs equated to wages etc are better currently, but that could be reduced slightly, with it costing more per hour to run a bigger vehicle.
(02 Feb 2014, 3:19 pm)andreos1 The 10 is probably a good example of that (cant think of ANE examples off the top of my head).
If you think about when it was all single deck operation and ran on the greater frequency between Hexham and Newcastle - compared to the current frequency on the deckers, with a smaller PVR, but similar seats per hour on the route.
I imagine costs equated to wages etc are better currently, but that could be reduced slightly, with it costing more per hour to run a bigger vehicle.
I wouldn't imagine that upping the frequency across the day would be economic - though running duplicates during peak times could work.
Anybody know the relative costs of running the MPDs against the deckers
Drivers wages will be constant (big assumption), fuel will vary as will depreciation of the vehicle (capital cost versus lifetime) and servicing/repairs.
(02 Feb 2014, 12:51 pm)Davey Bowyer Dennis Trident 2 based vehicles have always been rubbish:[/quote]
- 7430 to 7435 couldn't cope on the 602 and Arriva had to bring in a batch of Volvo B10BLE's from Scotland. They then went to Blyth on the 308 and again, couldn't cope. Finally at Jesmond, they could only work Monday to Saturday daytime on the 306 and because they were worn they were when only 5 year old, Palatine 2's and Volvo B10BLE's had to operate the evening and Sunday 306 journeys to give the ALX400's a rest.
- GNE 3801 to 3804 ; 3858 to 3879 had to get the temperature sensors removed when new due to the fact that they constantly overheated. They struggled on several routes. They couldn't cope with thw Coaster extension to Kibblesworth / Wrekenton. They couldn't cope on the Angel when CLS gave Percy Main some Omnicities in exchange for the Lolynes. Ex London castoffs have to be brought up to replace the Lolynes. Lolynes have had trouble on the X25 and can't cope with the route.
- SNEW NK07 HBL went up in smoke in Killingworth as did Arriva's 7510 in Felton.
- Arriva 7501 to 7506 struggled on the 308 and literally crawled up the slip roads on the Coast Road. They were sluggish and they were requiring heavy maintenace at only 3 year old.
(02 Feb 2014, 12:51 pm)Davey Bowyer Dennis Trident 2 based vehicles have always been rubbish:[/quote]
- 7430 to 7435 couldn't cope on the 602 and Arriva had to bring in a batch of Volvo B10BLE's from Scotland. They then went to Blyth on the 308 and again, couldn't cope. Finally at Jesmond, they could only work Monday to Saturday daytime on the 306 and because they were worn they were when only 5 year old, Palatine 2's and Volvo B10BLE's had to operate the evening and Sunday 306 journeys to give the ALX400's a rest.
- GNE 3801 to 3804 ; 3858 to 3879 had to get the temperature sensors removed when new due to the fact that they constantly overheated. They struggled on several routes. They couldn't cope with thw Coaster extension to Kibblesworth / Wrekenton. They couldn't cope on the Angel when CLS gave Percy Main some Omnicities in exchange for the Lolynes. Ex London castoffs have to be brought up to replace the Lolynes. Lolynes have had trouble on the X25 and can't cope with the route.
- SNEW NK07 HBL went up in smoke in Killingworth as did Arriva's 7510 in Felton.
- Arriva 7501 to 7506 struggled on the 308 and literally crawled up the slip roads on the Coast Road. They were sluggish and they were requiring heavy maintenace at only 3 year old.
(02 Feb 2014, 3:21 pm)citaro5284 Even talking about GNE on the Arriva thread - anyone would think you were obsessed with GNE
(02 Feb 2014, 3:21 pm)citaro5284 Even talking about GNE on the Arriva thread - anyone would think you were obsessed with GNE
(02 Feb 2014, 3:21 pm)Kuyoyo Different markers=different prices. A normal-spec Pulsar is going to cost a lot less than a normal-spec Citaro.
(02 Feb 2014, 3:21 pm)Kuyoyo Different markers=different prices. A normal-spec Pulsar is going to cost a lot less than a normal-spec Citaro.
(02 Feb 2014, 3:24 pm)andreos1 I have a little folder in the shed that Mrs Andreos1 doesn't know about, dedicated to all things GNE
(02 Feb 2014, 3:24 pm)andreos1 I have a little folder in the shed that Mrs Andreos1 doesn't know about, dedicated to all things GNE
(02 Feb 2014, 3:25 pm)citaro5284 I bet you do!
(02 Feb 2014, 3:25 pm)citaro5284 I bet you do!
(02 Feb 2014, 12:51 pm)Davey Bowyer Dennis Trident 2 based vehicles have always been rubbish:[/quote]
- 7430 to 7435 couldn't cope on the 602 and Arriva had to bring in a batch of Volvo B10BLE's from Scotland. They then went to Blyth on the 308 and again, couldn't cope. Finally at Jesmond, they could only work Monday to Saturday daytime on the 306 and because they were worn they were when only 5 year old, Palatine 2's and Volvo B10BLE's had to operate the evening and Sunday 306 journeys to give the ALX400's a rest.
- GNE 3801 to 3804 ; 3858 to 3879 had to get the temperature sensors removed when new due to the fact that they constantly overheated. They struggled on several routes. They couldn't cope with thw Coaster extension to Kibblesworth / Wrekenton. They couldn't cope on the Angel when CLS gave Percy Main some Omnicities in exchange for the Lolynes. Ex London castoffs have to be brought up to replace the Lolynes. Lolynes have had trouble on the X25 and can't cope with the route.
- SNEW NK07 HBL went up in smoke in Killingworth as did Arriva's 7510 in Felton.
- Arriva 7501 to 7506 struggled on the 308 and literally crawled up the slip roads on the Coast Road. They were sluggish and they were requiring heavy maintenace at only 3 year old.
(02 Feb 2014, 12:51 pm)Davey Bowyer Dennis Trident 2 based vehicles have always been rubbish:[/quote]
- 7430 to 7435 couldn't cope on the 602 and Arriva had to bring in a batch of Volvo B10BLE's from Scotland. They then went to Blyth on the 308 and again, couldn't cope. Finally at Jesmond, they could only work Monday to Saturday daytime on the 306 and because they were worn they were when only 5 year old, Palatine 2's and Volvo B10BLE's had to operate the evening and Sunday 306 journeys to give the ALX400's a rest.
- GNE 3801 to 3804 ; 3858 to 3879 had to get the temperature sensors removed when new due to the fact that they constantly overheated. They struggled on several routes. They couldn't cope with thw Coaster extension to Kibblesworth / Wrekenton. They couldn't cope on the Angel when CLS gave Percy Main some Omnicities in exchange for the Lolynes. Ex London castoffs have to be brought up to replace the Lolynes. Lolynes have had trouble on the X25 and can't cope with the route.
- SNEW NK07 HBL went up in smoke in Killingworth as did Arriva's 7510 in Felton.
- Arriva 7501 to 7506 struggled on the 308 and literally crawled up the slip roads on the Coast Road. They were sluggish and they were requiring heavy maintenace at only 3 year old.
(02 Feb 2014, 2:06 pm)GuyParkRoyal Fair point but thinking of the customer experience I would rather be on the GNE 10 as opposed to being one of 77 crushed into a Scania on the 685.
(02 Feb 2014, 2:06 pm)GuyParkRoyal Fair point but thinking of the customer experience I would rather be on the GNE 10 as opposed to being one of 77 crushed into a Scania on the 685.
(02 Feb 2014, 3:51 pm)ross13 i would like to see temsas in darlington. ive heard if darlo get 5 new pulsars that they are to displace the 09 reg examples onto the 75/6
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(02 Feb 2014, 3:51 pm)ross13 i would like to see temsas in darlington. ive heard if darlo get 5 new pulsars that they are to displace the 09 reg examples onto the 75/6
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(02 Feb 2014, 3:43 pm)BJ10VUS I agree, because the thing is, you can fit around 50 on an MPD (including standees)... think I'd rather wait for the next bus than play tetris with other commuters.
(02 Feb 2014, 3:43 pm)BJ10VUS I agree, because the thing is, you can fit around 50 on an MPD (including standees)... think I'd rather wait for the next bus than play tetris with other commuters.
(02 Feb 2014, 3:32 pm)Wellsey18 bloody hell, what is your problem with these buses, if they were so bad why would Arriva and stagecoach continue to invest in them, look at the amount if E400's in the stagecoach fleet, and look at how very little problems they have. 19151 only went up in smoke because something got stuck in the engine (think it was a matress) so you cant blame the bus. Touching on the lolynes i think they are great buses, and theyve certainly lasted throughout the years, with not that many issues, yes fair enough some have had problems but that's mainly age related, i think you just need to end your little war against the E400 and just got on with them, along with your hatred for the 308
(02 Feb 2014, 3:32 pm)Wellsey18 bloody hell, what is your problem with these buses, if they were so bad why would Arriva and stagecoach continue to invest in them, look at the amount if E400's in the stagecoach fleet, and look at how very little problems they have. 19151 only went up in smoke because something got stuck in the engine (think it was a matress) so you cant blame the bus. Touching on the lolynes i think they are great buses, and theyve certainly lasted throughout the years, with not that many issues, yes fair enough some have had problems but that's mainly age related, i think you just need to end your little war against the E400 and just got on with them, along with your hatred for the 308
(02 Feb 2014, 1:01 pm)busman101 Interesting that 2 routes that always used to need deckers will be all single deck operated with the new arrivals
(02 Feb 2014, 1:01 pm)busman101 Interesting that 2 routes that always used to need deckers will be all single deck operated with the new arrivals
(02 Feb 2014, 8:42 pm)busman101 From the list shown earlier - the Darlo 1 & the 306
(02 Feb 2014, 8:42 pm)busman101 From the list shown earlier - the Darlo 1 & the 306
