The B7's could displace some of the older DAF ALX 400's on the 35 at Ashington. And with regards to the 57 reg lowlanders, there's only 4 at Ashington leaving 2 short of the X93 PVR requirement.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:43 pm)Tom Just edited my OP, misunderstood his post. The four will be staying at Ashington for either the 20/X20 or 14/X14 if you mean 7453-56.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:43 pm)Tom Just edited my OP, misunderstood his post. The four will be staying at Ashington for either the 20/X20 or 14/X14 if you mean 7453-56.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:44 pm)Davey Bowyer The B7's could displace some of the older DAF ALX 400's on the 35 at Ashington. And with regards to the 57 reg lowlanders, there's only 4 at Ashington leaving 2 short of the X93 PVR requirement.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:44 pm)Davey Bowyer The B7's could displace some of the older DAF ALX 400's on the 35 at Ashington. And with regards to the 57 reg lowlanders, there's only 4 at Ashington leaving 2 short of the X93 PVR requirement.
But on the note of being two short of a mataching fleet PVR, I would happily overlook that knowing that 4 out of 6 are pure reliable and powerful workhorses.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:45 pm)Dan I think he was meaning how many Lowlanders do Arriva North East have as a whole, I.e. what's the possibility of them ending up on the X93. Only four 57-reg ones, and they would be the likely candidates if any.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:45 pm)Dan I think he was meaning how many Lowlanders do Arriva North East have as a whole, I.e. what's the possibility of them ending up on the X93. Only four 57-reg ones, and they would be the likely candidates if any.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:50 pm)Davey Bowyer But on the note of being two short of a mataching fleet PVR, I would happily overlook that knowing that 4 out of 6 are pure reliable and powerful workhorses.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:50 pm)Davey Bowyer But on the note of being two short of a mataching fleet PVR, I would happily overlook that knowing that 4 out of 6 are pure reliable and powerful workhorses.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:54 pm)Kuyoyo The only Sapphire route for the North East this year are 5/5a, X3/X3a, 4/X4 and X21/X22.
The SB4000s for the X15 are 55-reg.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:54 pm)Kuyoyo The only Sapphire route for the North East this year are 5/5a, X3/X3a, 4/X4 and X21/X22.
The SB4000s for the X15 are 55-reg.
(02 Apr 2014, 5:46 pm)Tom Could get a upgrade to Sapphire in the future?
Will the X15/X18 be Sapphire spec or not?
(02 Apr 2014, 5:46 pm)Tom Could get a upgrade to Sapphire in the future?
Will the X15/X18 be Sapphire spec or not?
I'm still shocked as to why Arriva never gave the B9TL any thought well before the Euro 5 deadline. They would have been excellent for the X10, X11, X18, X21, X22 and X93. They are very powerful vehicles and the handling is great. Braking and gear changes are very smooth.
Can go along with what Davey is saying about the B9TL's. I do Newcastle regularly on the TTX and have never had any bother. Think it's helped by the quality of maintainance from the team at GNE Riverside.
Can go along with what has been said about the engineering team at Redcar? It's been the same for years with constant breakdowns, failures to meet it's PVR and so on; even an intake of New fleet (Temsas and Pulsars) didn't help. Watch this space if the new management sort it out.
Finally. Ecocities on the X93? How would that help with the overcrowding situation?
(02 Apr 2014, 7:47 pm)robisdave15 Can go along with what Davey is saying about the B9TL's. I do Newcastle regularly on the TTX and have never had any bother. Think it's helped by the quality of maintainance from the team at GNE Riverside.
Can go along with what has been said about the engineering team at Redcar? It's been the same for years with constant breakdowns, failures to meet it's PVR and so on; even an intake of New fleet (Temsas and Pulsars) didn't help. Watch this space if the new management sort it out.
Finally. Ecocities on the X93? How would that help with the overcrowding situation?
(02 Apr 2014, 7:47 pm)robisdave15 Can go along with what Davey is saying about the B9TL's. I do Newcastle regularly on the TTX and have never had any bother. Think it's helped by the quality of maintainance from the team at GNE Riverside.
Can go along with what has been said about the engineering team at Redcar? It's been the same for years with constant breakdowns, failures to meet it's PVR and so on; even an intake of New fleet (Temsas and Pulsars) didn't help. Watch this space if the new management sort it out.
Finally. Ecocities on the X93? How would that help with the overcrowding situation?
(02 Apr 2014, 6:09 pm)Davey Bowyer I'm still shocked as to why Arriva never gave the B9TL any thought well before the Euro 5 deadline. They would have been excellent for the X10, X11, X18, X21, X22 and X93. They are very powerful vehicles and the handling is great. Braking and gear changes are very smooth.
(02 Apr 2014, 6:09 pm)Davey Bowyer I'm still shocked as to why Arriva never gave the B9TL any thought well before the Euro 5 deadline. They would have been excellent for the X10, X11, X18, X21, X22 and X93. They are very powerful vehicles and the handling is great. Braking and gear changes are very smooth.
(02 Apr 2014, 8:15 pm)aureolin How do you know they didn't give it any thought? All those services combined would require 37 vehicles, based on the following requirements:
X10/X11 PVR 12, X18 PVR 6, X21 PVR 8, X22 PVR 6, X93 PVR 5.
I'd imagine the bus industry is the same as any other, and you can't just go around placing a massive order for new vehicles, without a cast iron business case and forecast to show the money is going to be earned back.
It's just not realistic.
(02 Apr 2014, 8:15 pm)aureolin How do you know they didn't give it any thought? All those services combined would require 37 vehicles, based on the following requirements:
X10/X11 PVR 12, X18 PVR 6, X21 PVR 8, X22 PVR 6, X93 PVR 5.
I'd imagine the bus industry is the same as any other, and you can't just go around placing a massive order for new vehicles, without a cast iron business case and forecast to show the money is going to be earned back.
It's just not realistic.
(02 Apr 2014, 8:15 pm)aureolin How do you know they didn't give it any thought? All those services combined would require 37 vehicles, based on the following requirements:
X10/X11 PVR 12, X18 PVR 6, X21 PVR 8, X22 PVR 6, X93 PVR 5.
I'd imagine the bus industry is the same as any other, and you can't just go around placing a massive order for new vehicles, without a cast iron business case and forecast to show the money is going to be earned back.
It's just not realistic.
(02 Apr 2014, 8:15 pm)aureolin How do you know they didn't give it any thought? All those services combined would require 37 vehicles, based on the following requirements:
X10/X11 PVR 12, X18 PVR 6, X21 PVR 8, X22 PVR 6, X93 PVR 5.
I'd imagine the bus industry is the same as any other, and you can't just go around placing a massive order for new vehicles, without a cast iron business case and forecast to show the money is going to be earned back.
It's just not realistic.
(02 Apr 2014, 8:23 pm)Kuyoyo X93 has a seasonal PVR difference - PVR 5 on the current (winter) timetable, increasing in the summer (previously PVR 7, rumour is this year will see a PVR of 8 instead).
X21/X22 for the same reason - hence why there's only 6 new E400s on order for the route as part of the 'Sapphire' upgrade with the remaining 8 being made up of refurbished examples (I would guess a further couple will also be treated to give spares).
(02 Apr 2014, 8:23 pm)Kuyoyo X93 has a seasonal PVR difference - PVR 5 on the current (winter) timetable, increasing in the summer (previously PVR 7, rumour is this year will see a PVR of 8 instead).
X21/X22 for the same reason - hence why there's only 6 new E400s on order for the route as part of the 'Sapphire' upgrade with the remaining 8 being made up of refurbished examples (I would guess a further couple will also be treated to give spares).
I know I'm in Arriva land here but just have to compare the TTX X9/10 and now X7 against the X93? Yes the TTX struggled for somewhere but has established itself and the promotion/reliability afforded to the services by GNE is now being rewarded; investment in the B9TL's was a masterstroke. Here on the X93 it would be a risk to seriously promote the service has it has suffered for years with a mish mash of vehicles, inappropriate or otherwise; not only that the majority of services on the route are operated by vehicles based and maintained at s depot some 20 miles away from the principal operating area. When we have vehicles operating on the route as reliable as what they are, sitting at the roadside on some desolate roadside waiting for a replacement vehicle/engineer to turn out is not really the best advertisement!
Then we had, or have the overcrowding issues to deal with? Again not the best way of promoting a service by shoehorning passengers on to an elderly Prestige or even worse, MOD! Why the management at Arriva take the attitude "we can't run extra vehicles", beats me; then there is the other attitude of not being able to provide replacement vehicles to cover breakdowns? Just take a bus of the 27's, not really gonna be missed, surely?
Now we're about to start the new peak season with a collection of vehicles that are already proving to be unreliable....!
(02 Apr 2014, 8:28 pm)robisdave15 I know I'm in Arriva land here but just have to compare the TTX X9/10 and now X7 against the X93? Yes the TTX struggled for somewhere but has established itself and the promotion/reliability afforded to the services by GNE is now being rewarded; investment in the B9TL's was a masterstroke. Here on the X93 it would be a risk to seriously promote the service has it has suffered for years with a mish mash of vehicles, inappropriate or otherwise; not only that the majority of services on the route are operated by vehicles based and maintained at s depot some 20 miles away from the principal operating area. When we have vehicles operating on the route as reliable as what they are, sitting at the roadside on some desolate roadside waiting for a replacement vehicle/engineer to turn out is not really the best advertisement!
Then we had, or have the overcrowding issues to deal with? Again not the best way of promoting a service by shoehorning passengers on to an elderly Prestige or even worse, MOD! Why the management at Arriva take the attitude "we can't run extra vehicles", beats me; then there is the other attitude of not being able to provide replacement vehicles to cover breakdowns? Just take a bus of the 27's, not really gonna be missed, surely?
Now we're about to start the new peak season with a collection of vehicles that are already proving to be unreliable....!
(02 Apr 2014, 8:28 pm)robisdave15 I know I'm in Arriva land here but just have to compare the TTX X9/10 and now X7 against the X93? Yes the TTX struggled for somewhere but has established itself and the promotion/reliability afforded to the services by GNE is now being rewarded; investment in the B9TL's was a masterstroke. Here on the X93 it would be a risk to seriously promote the service has it has suffered for years with a mish mash of vehicles, inappropriate or otherwise; not only that the majority of services on the route are operated by vehicles based and maintained at s depot some 20 miles away from the principal operating area. When we have vehicles operating on the route as reliable as what they are, sitting at the roadside on some desolate roadside waiting for a replacement vehicle/engineer to turn out is not really the best advertisement!
Then we had, or have the overcrowding issues to deal with? Again not the best way of promoting a service by shoehorning passengers on to an elderly Prestige or even worse, MOD! Why the management at Arriva take the attitude "we can't run extra vehicles", beats me; then there is the other attitude of not being able to provide replacement vehicles to cover breakdowns? Just take a bus of the 27's, not really gonna be missed, surely?
Now we're about to start the new peak season with a collection of vehicles that are already proving to be unreliable....!
Whoops! Didn't think through the tacho thing did I? Yes I know the X93 is operated by Whitby/Redcar (sadly as far as Redcar are concerned), end of the day it!s an Arriva service and all this depit accountability gets wearing!
