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Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - February 2015

 
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Andreos1



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02 Feb 2015, 9:10 am #21
@bbctees have just tweeted this picture, accompanied by the line: "Problems in Middlesbrough Bus station this morning".
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Hope all involved, ok!

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Andreos1
02 Feb 2015, 9:10 am #21

@bbctees have just tweeted this picture, accompanied by the line: "Problems in Middlesbrough Bus station this morning".

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Hope all involved, ok!


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Andreos1



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02 Feb 2015, 9:17 am #22
Another photo they have tweeted from the scene.

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Andreos1
02 Feb 2015, 9:17 am #22

Another photo they have tweeted from the scene.

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02 Feb 2015, 9:19 am #23
(02 Feb 2015, 9:10 am)Andreos1 @bbctees have just tweeted this picture, accompanied by the line: "Problems in Middlesbrough Bus station this morning".


Hope all involved, ok!

Oh dear, that looks bad, is that the same place that had a fatality a few years ago because of the same reason?
omnicity4659
02 Feb 2015, 9:19 am #23

(02 Feb 2015, 9:10 am)Andreos1 @bbctees have just tweeted this picture, accompanied by the line: "Problems in Middlesbrough Bus station this morning".


Hope all involved, ok!

Oh dear, that looks bad, is that the same place that had a fatality a few years ago because of the same reason?

tyresmoke



5,303
02 Feb 2015, 9:32 am #24
Just posted another picture in Bus Incidents thread.
4501 involved, don't think anybody was hurt, amazingly.

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tyresmoke
02 Feb 2015, 9:32 am #24

Just posted another picture in Bus Incidents thread.
4501 involved, don't think anybody was hurt, amazingly.


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Andreos1



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02 Feb 2015, 9:33 am #25
(02 Feb 2015, 9:32 am)tyresmoke Just posted another picture in Bus Incidents thread.
4501 involved, don't think anybody was hurt, amazingly.

The second photo and yours seems to back that up.

Very pleased to see/hear of no injuries.
Edited 02 Feb 2015, 9:35 am by Andreos1.

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Andreos1
02 Feb 2015, 9:33 am #25

(02 Feb 2015, 9:32 am)tyresmoke Just posted another picture in Bus Incidents thread.
4501 involved, don't think anybody was hurt, amazingly.

The second photo and yours seems to back that up.

Very pleased to see/hear of no injuries.


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upt50k



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02 Feb 2015, 9:33 am #26
(01 Feb 2015, 12:54 pm)citaro5284 I thought the company would be as if you do a total count of buses with Arriva Northumbria on, would it exceed the number of vehicles on their licence?

Rest Day rates must be pretty poor if drivers are not working them.  GNE's low cost units do not have an enhanced rate for RD working, but all the main depots have.
 A quote from a Darlington driver last week was that if you do not work your rest day it is one last chance to get sacked. This says a lot about morale
upt50k
02 Feb 2015, 9:33 am #26

(01 Feb 2015, 12:54 pm)citaro5284 I thought the company would be as if you do a total count of buses with Arriva Northumbria on, would it exceed the number of vehicles on their licence?

Rest Day rates must be pretty poor if drivers are not working them.  GNE's low cost units do not have an enhanced rate for RD working, but all the main depots have.
 A quote from a Darlington driver last week was that if you do not work your rest day it is one last chance to get sacked. This says a lot about morale

John_R



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02 Feb 2015, 9:38 am #27
(02 Feb 2015, 9:19 am)Tommy_1581 Oh dear, that looks bad, is that the same place that had a fatality a few years ago because of the same reason?

Completely different.
John_R
02 Feb 2015, 9:38 am #27

(02 Feb 2015, 9:19 am)Tommy_1581 Oh dear, that looks bad, is that the same place that had a fatality a few years ago because of the same reason?

Completely different.

03 Feb 2015, 2:10 pm #28
7518 is UNBRANDED and is on the X21/X22 - should be on the X21 to Newbiggin now.
omnicity4659
03 Feb 2015, 2:10 pm #28

7518 is UNBRANDED and is on the X21/X22 - should be on the X21 to Newbiggin now.

03 Feb 2015, 2:19 pm #29
And also, to stop GNE from blocking the bus station in Ashington: Stand A will be for X22 services and Stand B will be for X21 services.

(That's probably why it said "To Amend Route" on the VOSA applications)
omnicity4659
03 Feb 2015, 2:19 pm #29

And also, to stop GNE from blocking the bus station in Ashington: Stand A will be for X22 services and Stand B will be for X21 services.

(That's probably why it said "To Amend Route" on the VOSA applications)

Cock Robin



2,778
03 Feb 2015, 3:36 pm #30
(01 Feb 2015, 12:12 pm)Kuyoyo Unfortunately, it goes further than that............

Of course, Darlington could go and get 2852-61 and move them allowing Blyth to go and collect 1760/7/91 and Stockton to collect their Solos...........

BUT Stockton and the Solos becomes the key issues - very few drivers at Stockton have ever driven Solos so before they can even enter service, the entire driving staff at Stockton will have to be type trained on the Solos. In fact, might end up with Stockton's Solos moving over in ones and twos to get the drivers trained prior to entering service (either than or borrowing 2827 or 2828 from Whitby to train the drivers would be the other option)

So how do Redcar drivers drive 2827/8 then?
Cock Robin
03 Feb 2015, 3:36 pm #30

(01 Feb 2015, 12:12 pm)Kuyoyo Unfortunately, it goes further than that............

Of course, Darlington could go and get 2852-61 and move them allowing Blyth to go and collect 1760/7/91 and Stockton to collect their Solos...........

BUT Stockton and the Solos becomes the key issues - very few drivers at Stockton have ever driven Solos so before they can even enter service, the entire driving staff at Stockton will have to be type trained on the Solos. In fact, might end up with Stockton's Solos moving over in ones and twos to get the drivers trained prior to entering service (either than or borrowing 2827 or 2828 from Whitby to train the drivers would be the other option)

So how do Redcar drivers drive 2827/8 then?

Cock Robin



2,778
03 Feb 2015, 3:39 pm #31
7401-6 appear to have the Northumbria address. Or the one I noticed certainly did.
Cock Robin
03 Feb 2015, 3:39 pm #31

7401-6 appear to have the Northumbria address. Or the one I noticed certainly did.

Kuyoyo



6,849
03 Feb 2015, 3:41 pm #32
(03 Feb 2015, 3:36 pm)Cock Robin So how do Redcar drivers drive 2827/8 then?

They've been type-trained on them - after all they were in storage down there for long enough. Likewise they'll have been type-trained on the B9TLs.

(03 Feb 2015, 3:39 pm)Cock Robin 7401-6 appear to have the Northumbria address. Or the one I noticed certainly did.

7402/5/6 have Durham County, 7401/3/4 Northumbria.
Kuyoyo
03 Feb 2015, 3:41 pm #32

(03 Feb 2015, 3:36 pm)Cock Robin So how do Redcar drivers drive 2827/8 then?

They've been type-trained on them - after all they were in storage down there for long enough. Likewise they'll have been type-trained on the B9TLs.

(03 Feb 2015, 3:39 pm)Cock Robin 7401-6 appear to have the Northumbria address. Or the one I noticed certainly did.

7402/5/6 have Durham County, 7401/3/4 Northumbria.

9920up



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04 Feb 2015, 1:55 pm #33
(01 Feb 2015, 11:55 am)Kuyoyo God knows.......

For 1733/42/50/95/96 (and 1758) to be removed from service, Darlington have to receive 2852-61, allowing 2803/4/5/7/8/26/9 to move to Stockton releasing 1769/71/2 to join Darlington's 1760/7/91 in moving to Blyth. As 2857/61 are still being used by Jesmond and the rest appear to be in storage there, it's a case of waiting for spare drivers to allow the moves to take place
So, there's a plan to remove most non-DDA MPD's - but what about the 5 remaining V and W reg examples at Darlington after these moves take place. Is it a case of the new Streetlites for the X1 allow these to be removed by giving an overall balance of numbers at Darlington or will a further shuffle (of what??) be required?
9920up
04 Feb 2015, 1:55 pm #33

(01 Feb 2015, 11:55 am)Kuyoyo God knows.......

For 1733/42/50/95/96 (and 1758) to be removed from service, Darlington have to receive 2852-61, allowing 2803/4/5/7/8/26/9 to move to Stockton releasing 1769/71/2 to join Darlington's 1760/7/91 in moving to Blyth. As 2857/61 are still being used by Jesmond and the rest appear to be in storage there, it's a case of waiting for spare drivers to allow the moves to take place
So, there's a plan to remove most non-DDA MPD's - but what about the 5 remaining V and W reg examples at Darlington after these moves take place. Is it a case of the new Streetlites for the X1 allow these to be removed by giving an overall balance of numbers at Darlington or will a further shuffle (of what??) be required?

04 Feb 2015, 4:34 pm #34
One movement that has occurred is 1310 from Durham to Darlington, it is currently acting as a 4th bus on service 12/12A due to a accident between Hurworth and Darlington on the A167
Stuart Phin
04 Feb 2015, 4:34 pm #34

One movement that has occurred is 1310 from Durham to Darlington, it is currently acting as a 4th bus on service 12/12A due to a accident between Hurworth and Darlington on the A167

04 Feb 2015, 6:45 pm #35
7518 is VOR today, having its Sapphire stickers applied...
omnicity4659
04 Feb 2015, 6:45 pm #35

7518 is VOR today, having its Sapphire stickers applied...

Adrian



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04 Feb 2015, 7:25 pm #36
Am I missing something here, or can someone tell me exactly how long it takes to 'type train' a driver on a new bus? The whole concept of it actually sounds like health and safety gone mad.

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04 Feb 2015, 7:25 pm #36

Am I missing something here, or can someone tell me exactly how long it takes to 'type train' a driver on a new bus? The whole concept of it actually sounds like health and safety gone mad.


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04 Feb 2015, 7:26 pm #37
(04 Feb 2015, 7:25 pm)aureolin Am I missing something here, or can someone tell me exactly how long it takes to 'type train' a driver on a new bus? The whole concept of it actually sounds like health and safety gone mad.

Nothing more than a few minutes per driver at the depot!
Dan
04 Feb 2015, 7:26 pm #37

(04 Feb 2015, 7:25 pm)aureolin Am I missing something here, or can someone tell me exactly how long it takes to 'type train' a driver on a new bus? The whole concept of it actually sounds like health and safety gone mad.

Nothing more than a few minutes per driver at the depot!

Kuyoyo



6,849
04 Feb 2015, 7:51 pm #38
(04 Feb 2015, 7:25 pm)aureolin Am I missing something here, or can someone tell me exactly how long it takes to 'type train' a driver on a new bus? The whole concept of it actually sounds like health and safety gone mad.

Every driver has to be trained on every type of vehicle - indeed, half of Stockton's drivers aren't actually trained on the Streetlites yet (of course that's more due to the fact only really the Sapphire rota, engineering staff, the Leading Drivers and Inspectors that drive them). Everyone at Stockton needs training on the Solos as anyone could be driving them on the 7.
Kuyoyo
04 Feb 2015, 7:51 pm #38

(04 Feb 2015, 7:25 pm)aureolin Am I missing something here, or can someone tell me exactly how long it takes to 'type train' a driver on a new bus? The whole concept of it actually sounds like health and safety gone mad.

Every driver has to be trained on every type of vehicle - indeed, half of Stockton's drivers aren't actually trained on the Streetlites yet (of course that's more due to the fact only really the Sapphire rota, engineering staff, the Leading Drivers and Inspectors that drive them). Everyone at Stockton needs training on the Solos as anyone could be driving them on the 7.

mb134



4,131
04 Feb 2015, 8:21 pm #39
I've been using the X21 frequently this past week and I noticed a few things:
  • All journeys did have passengers, however only the peak time runs were full, most had a maximum of about 30 on. (From what I saw). So loads at peak times would be spread, helping reliability. 
  • The timetable seems quite tight, and if there is a large amount of people from upstairs getting off over a few stops, it puts the bus back a few minutes.
  • When the bus was late, it seemed like the driver really had to push to get back on time.
So I think they could be better off doing this:
32x Volvo B8RLE single deckers, increasing the frequency of both services to every 10 minutes, so there is a combined frequency of every 5. At peak times, this would mean buses were less cramped, and more convenient 
These would, I think, be better suited to the route, as they allow for quick entry/exit, have a more powerful engine and you would have buses that are actually pretty full, all of the time.

The current Enviro 400's could then be used to upgrade another route, or provide additional spares.

Thoughts?
mb134
04 Feb 2015, 8:21 pm #39

I've been using the X21 frequently this past week and I noticed a few things:

  • All journeys did have passengers, however only the peak time runs were full, most had a maximum of about 30 on. (From what I saw). So loads at peak times would be spread, helping reliability. 
  • The timetable seems quite tight, and if there is a large amount of people from upstairs getting off over a few stops, it puts the bus back a few minutes.
  • When the bus was late, it seemed like the driver really had to push to get back on time.
So I think they could be better off doing this:
32x Volvo B8RLE single deckers, increasing the frequency of both services to every 10 minutes, so there is a combined frequency of every 5. At peak times, this would mean buses were less cramped, and more convenient 
These would, I think, be better suited to the route, as they allow for quick entry/exit, have a more powerful engine and you would have buses that are actually pretty full, all of the time.

The current Enviro 400's could then be used to upgrade another route, or provide additional spares.

Thoughts?

Dan

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18,100
04 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm #40
(04 Feb 2015, 8:21 pm)mb134 I've been using the X21 frequently this past week and I noticed a few things:
  • All journeys did have passengers, however only the peak time runs were full, most had a maximum of about 30 on. (From what I saw). So loads at peak times would be spread, helping reliability. 
  • The timetable seems quite tight, and if there is a large amount of people from upstairs getting off over a few stops, it puts the bus back a few minutes.
  • When the bus was late, it seemed like the driver really had to push to get back on time.
So I think they could be better off doing this:
32x Volvo B8RLE single deckers, increasing the frequency of both services to every 10 minutes, so there is a combined frequency of every 5. At peak times, this would mean buses were less cramped, and more convenient 
These would, I think, be better suited to the route, as they allow for quick entry/exit, have a more powerful engine and you would have buses that are actually pretty full, all of the time.

The current Enviro 400's could then be used to upgrade another route, or provide additional spares.

Thoughts?

Can't help but feel it would make the costs of running the X21/X22 go through the roof.

The advantage of double deckers is that they provide the extra capacity when it's needed; instead of having more peak time runs to combat full buses at this time, double deckers only require the one bus (and hence driver) and lowers costs. The advantage of light-weight double deckers is that it allows for savings on fuel.
Dan
04 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm #40

(04 Feb 2015, 8:21 pm)mb134 I've been using the X21 frequently this past week and I noticed a few things:
  • All journeys did have passengers, however only the peak time runs were full, most had a maximum of about 30 on. (From what I saw). So loads at peak times would be spread, helping reliability. 
  • The timetable seems quite tight, and if there is a large amount of people from upstairs getting off over a few stops, it puts the bus back a few minutes.
  • When the bus was late, it seemed like the driver really had to push to get back on time.
So I think they could be better off doing this:
32x Volvo B8RLE single deckers, increasing the frequency of both services to every 10 minutes, so there is a combined frequency of every 5. At peak times, this would mean buses were less cramped, and more convenient 
These would, I think, be better suited to the route, as they allow for quick entry/exit, have a more powerful engine and you would have buses that are actually pretty full, all of the time.

The current Enviro 400's could then be used to upgrade another route, or provide additional spares.

Thoughts?

Can't help but feel it would make the costs of running the X21/X22 go through the roof.

The advantage of double deckers is that they provide the extra capacity when it's needed; instead of having more peak time runs to combat full buses at this time, double deckers only require the one bus (and hence driver) and lowers costs. The advantage of light-weight double deckers is that it allows for savings on fuel.

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