Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
(22 Feb 2021, 12:58 pm)Storx There's no need for it. Magic Bus is just there for routes where there's a dog fight so they can charge lower fares and try and wipe out the competition who exist in the area.
I believe the Manchester one started to try and wipe out UK Buses (Delicenced), Bullocks (sold to Stagecoach) and Finglands (Sold to First Manchester) but still exists because of the massive war that still exists on Wilmslow Road between Stagecoach, First and now GNW aswell. The 192 Magicbus being scrapped when UK Buses was delicenced.
Magicbus has been allover the place including Newcastle, Rotherham, Ayr, Glasgow (where it first started - twice) and Inverness. The last which ended up arson at Stagecoach's Inverness depot (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4713656.stm).
The only corridor where it would work in the North East is the Coast Road and we all know what happened there in the early 10's when Bargain Bus was introduced which was the exact same thing. Now no-one would dare attempt those stunts again as it cost a fortune for both Arriva and GNE even known there's still problems with the Coast Road today and parts of the Bargain Bus still exists with the North Tyne (GNE) and Coastliner (Arriva) tickets which we're part of it.
Yeah that's fair, I'm not too sure on the numbers there tbf.
(22 Feb 2021, 12:58 pm)Storx There's no need for it. Magic Bus is just there for routes where there's a dog fight so they can charge lower fares and try and wipe out the competition who exist in the area.
I believe the Manchester one started to try and wipe out UK Buses (Delicenced), Bullocks (sold to Stagecoach) and Finglands (Sold to First Manchester) but still exists because of the massive war that still exists on Wilmslow Road between Stagecoach, First and now GNW aswell. The 192 Magicbus being scrapped when UK Buses was delicenced.
Magicbus has been allover the place including Newcastle, Rotherham, Ayr, Glasgow (where it first started - twice) and Inverness. The last which ended up arson at Stagecoach's Inverness depot (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4713656.stm).
The only corridor where it would work in the North East is the Coast Road and we all know what happened there in the early 10's when Bargain Bus was introduced which was the exact same thing. Now no-one would dare attempt those stunts again as it cost a fortune for both Arriva and GNE even known there's still problems with the Coast Road today and parts of the Bargain Bus still exists with the North Tyne (GNE) and Coastliner (Arriva) tickets which we're part of it.
Yeah that's fair, I'm not too sure on the numbers there tbf.
Stagecoach orders 46 BYD ADL electric buses for fleets in Scotland (transportengineer.org.uk)
i wonder if this means that there might be a cascade of vehicles to north east. i know inverness received a handful of north east E400s somepoint last year. i suppose if there is any euro 6 buses up there it may make sense to bring them down here ready for the CAZ coming into effect
(04 Apr 2021, 12:41 am)glen Do you think stagecoach north east should get second hand single decker like enviro 300 to replace old man single decker from over fleet. Not just E400?
(04 Apr 2021, 12:41 am)glen Do you think stagecoach north east should get second hand single decker like enviro 300 to replace old man single decker from over fleet. Not just E400?
(04 Apr 2021, 6:15 pm)V514DFT I wouldnt be surprised if Stagecoach bought some new Hybrid E400MMC's for the 62/63,then shoving the 16 reg E400MMC's on either the 12 or 22, they like doing thatAfter the amount of lost revenue over the past 12 months i cant imagine many big orders within many of the big companies, unless they receive some sort of subsidy i would be very surprised if a big batch of brand new vehicles turned up
(04 Apr 2021, 6:15 pm)V514DFT I wouldnt be surprised if Stagecoach bought some new Hybrid E400MMC's for the 62/63,then shoving the 16 reg E400MMC's on either the 12 or 22, they like doing thatAfter the amount of lost revenue over the past 12 months i cant imagine many big orders within many of the big companies, unless they receive some sort of subsidy i would be very surprised if a big batch of brand new vehicles turned up
(06 Apr 2021, 10:22 am)col87 I not expecting brand new buses but Hartlepool desperately needs better buses. Most of the fleet is struggling now especially the 08 plate enviros where most of them don’t seem fit for purpose.
(06 Apr 2021, 10:22 am)col87 I not expecting brand new buses but Hartlepool desperately needs better buses. Most of the fleet is struggling now especially the 08 plate enviros where most of them don’t seem fit for purpose.
(07 Apr 2021, 11:41 pm)Youngymmv Most other divisions have replaced there man enviro 200s now. They should be high up list for replacement from all north east depots in next few years. The amount of crap that comes out of exhaust suprised they haven’t been banned from service lolBeen told the newer buses are just as bad as well don’t think they is many decent buses in Hartlepool depot now. It’s actually shocking how every depot except Hartlepool has had investment over the last 10 years but Hartlepool has to carry on with mostly buses that are just struggling. The fact one of the 05 plate enviro 300s had to be pulled off the 10 in Middlesbrough yesterday so the 1 could run on time after the one used for the 1 had a problem and it’s now quite regular for at least one of Stockton’s or Sunderlands buses ( usually a dart which are still are quite good and show up the newer buses) shows Hartlepool desperately needs investment.
(07 Apr 2021, 11:41 pm)Youngymmv Most other divisions have replaced there man enviro 200s now. They should be high up list for replacement from all north east depots in next few years. The amount of crap that comes out of exhaust suprised they haven’t been banned from service lolBeen told the newer buses are just as bad as well don’t think they is many decent buses in Hartlepool depot now. It’s actually shocking how every depot except Hartlepool has had investment over the last 10 years but Hartlepool has to carry on with mostly buses that are just struggling. The fact one of the 05 plate enviro 300s had to be pulled off the 10 in Middlesbrough yesterday so the 1 could run on time after the one used for the 1 had a problem and it’s now quite regular for at least one of Stockton’s or Sunderlands buses ( usually a dart which are still are quite good and show up the newer buses) shows Hartlepool desperately needs investment.
(07 Apr 2021, 11:41 pm)Youngymmv Most other divisions have replaced there man enviro 200s now. They should be high up list for replacement from all north east depots in next few years. The amount of crap that comes out of exhaust suprised they haven’t been banned from service lol
(07 Apr 2021, 11:41 pm)Youngymmv Most other divisions have replaced there man enviro 200s now. They should be high up list for replacement from all north east depots in next few years. The amount of crap that comes out of exhaust suprised they haven’t been banned from service lol
Hey hey. The ALX300 are complete fine. Nothing wrong with them. Get rid of the MAN 18.240LF ADL Enviro300 absolutely terrible vehicles they are
(09 Apr 2021, 7:59 am)Storx tbf they badly need to get arid of the MAN ALX300's nevermind the Enviro's. Can't imagine there's many other operators in the country with them running around nowadays considering the last one was sold in 2006 on frontline services.
(09 Apr 2021, 7:59 am)Storx tbf they badly need to get arid of the MAN ALX300's nevermind the Enviro's. Can't imagine there's many other operators in the country with them running around nowadays considering the last one was sold in 2006 on frontline services.
I would love to see a great deal of investment in SNE this year as i believe its the 3rd highest profitable subsidiary after London and Manchester, but i do fear after Covid and losses I think it would be wishful thinking for entirely new vehicles to turn up.
I would say if around 15 Enviro 200s could be sourced- ideally anything after 2013/2014 years as models after these years seem to have less problems than the current batches currently in the northeast, this would allow the most problematic of the 2008 examples the majority i believe are at hartlepool to be took out of service and used as spare parts, a lack of which i believe has been a cause of some problems.
i would also say if around 20-25 single decks could be sourced, again anything after 2013 model enviros or at a pinch later years ALX 300s as these are still mostly going strong albeit totally unsuitable for the clean air zone coming into affect some point. ideally if if newer enviros i would say use ten to oust some of the 200s found at slatyford again freeing up some of the problematic members of the batches to be used for spare parts. the other 15 use to remove the 1st GEN enviro 300s at Stockton out of service, the SP08 batch of 300s initially procured as 100 buses and to remove some of the ALXs from service.
as for double decker's i would say if around 25-30 vehicles, anything newer than 2012 examples to do the following,
the first 10 would allow the 4 hired in Volvos to go off lease and also replace 19439 which was fire damaged. also ousting the final 5 2007 registered examples
i would then say a second batch of ten could be split between sunderland which could allow for more capacity on X24 and the E services potentially cascading 5 newer single deckers to slatyford which in turn if they also received 5 double decks could allow around ten older single decks to be either removed from service or used to relieve fleet shortages particularly at south shields or hartlepool.
finally a third batch of ten would allow the more problematic members of 2008 registered examples to be ousted
(20 Apr 2021, 9:44 pm)glen I wish I did not say anything now.
(20 Apr 2021, 9:44 pm)glen I wish I did not say anything now.
