Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
(05 Feb 2021, 7:49 pm)Dan Not sure there'd be a huge benefit to doing that - those Hybrid E400s wouldn't meet the criteria set out by the proposed Clean Air Zone, as things stand.oh right, I thought originally the native 2011 Newcastle hybrids only needed a slight exhaust modification to be eligible so presumed it wouldn't be too difficult to do the same for the Manchester ones
I understand both Go North East and Stagecoach are lobbying so that they would be, but that has not been confirmed yet.
(05 Feb 2021, 7:49 pm)Dan Not sure there'd be a huge benefit to doing that - those Hybrid E400s wouldn't meet the criteria set out by the proposed Clean Air Zone, as things stand.oh right, I thought originally the native 2011 Newcastle hybrids only needed a slight exhaust modification to be eligible so presumed it wouldn't be too difficult to do the same for the Manchester ones
I understand both Go North East and Stagecoach are lobbying so that they would be, but that has not been confirmed yet.
(05 Feb 2021, 7:38 pm)toward6931 at risk of playing fantasy fleets i cant imagine many if not any at all new vehicles. hopefully with Manchester gaining new electric 400 city's SNE could gain around 24 either 2012/2013 hybrid examples from there bringing the north east total to 50 ish it would allow the following to happen.Manchester’s Hybrids are moving onto the Magic Bus 142/143/147 services. If anything the 08/58 plates will be moving from Manchester if they are to gain additional plates.
1. the first 4 at walkergate could allow for the 4 hired in decker's to either go off lease or split them in two pairs to Sunderland and slatyford for their school services.
2. the second batch of ten would be enough to release the ten (correct me if I'm wrong) 2007 registered E400s.
3. and then the final ten could allow a cascade of 5 vehicles each from walkergate to slatyford and Sunderland to alleviate a shortage of decker's at these depots.
at slatyford it could release 3 or 4 ALX300s to Stockton in turn allowing euro 6 E300s to move to Newcastle therefore releasing more ALX300s to Stockton. so hypothetically out of 5 2008 registered E400s. one could be used as a spare vehicle and up to 4 non euro 6 single decks to elsewhere
the 5 at Sunderland could be used to provide more spares for use on X34 and the E services which sound like they could do with a couple of decker's at times. so out of 5 2008 registered 400s they could release 5 single decks to elsewhere.
if Stockton is being used as a storage yard for the likes of kinetics and withdrawn ALX300s it would make sense that all ALX300s move here to release euro 6 buses to Newcastle and all the withdrawn buses could be used for the cannibalizations of parts to keep active buses going until the can be replaced
(05 Feb 2021, 7:38 pm)toward6931 at risk of playing fantasy fleets i cant imagine many if not any at all new vehicles. hopefully with Manchester gaining new electric 400 city's SNE could gain around 24 either 2012/2013 hybrid examples from there bringing the north east total to 50 ish it would allow the following to happen.Manchester’s Hybrids are moving onto the Magic Bus 142/143/147 services. If anything the 08/58 plates will be moving from Manchester if they are to gain additional plates.
1. the first 4 at walkergate could allow for the 4 hired in decker's to either go off lease or split them in two pairs to Sunderland and slatyford for their school services.
2. the second batch of ten would be enough to release the ten (correct me if I'm wrong) 2007 registered E400s.
3. and then the final ten could allow a cascade of 5 vehicles each from walkergate to slatyford and Sunderland to alleviate a shortage of decker's at these depots.
at slatyford it could release 3 or 4 ALX300s to Stockton in turn allowing euro 6 E300s to move to Newcastle therefore releasing more ALX300s to Stockton. so hypothetically out of 5 2008 registered E400s. one could be used as a spare vehicle and up to 4 non euro 6 single decks to elsewhere
the 5 at Sunderland could be used to provide more spares for use on X34 and the E services which sound like they could do with a couple of decker's at times. so out of 5 2008 registered 400s they could release 5 single decks to elsewhere.
if Stockton is being used as a storage yard for the likes of kinetics and withdrawn ALX300s it would make sense that all ALX300s move here to release euro 6 buses to Newcastle and all the withdrawn buses could be used for the cannibalizations of parts to keep active buses going until the can be replaced
(05 Feb 2021, 9:39 pm)NewcastleOne Manchester’s Hybrids are moving onto the Magic Bus 142/143/147 services. If anything the 08/58 plates will be moving from Manchester if they are to gain additional plates.you would have thought with magic bus being the more budget low cost services they would have let the 08 plates live on a little longer. then again some divisions have 2008 E300s as driver trainers when SNE still have 03/04 buses in active service
(05 Feb 2021, 9:39 pm)NewcastleOne Manchester’s Hybrids are moving onto the Magic Bus 142/143/147 services. If anything the 08/58 plates will be moving from Manchester if they are to gain additional plates.you would have thought with magic bus being the more budget low cost services they would have let the 08 plates live on a little longer. then again some divisions have 2008 E300s as driver trainers when SNE still have 03/04 buses in active service
(05 Feb 2021, 10:01 pm)toward6931 you would have thought with magic bus being the more budget low cost services they would have let the 08 plates live on a little longer. then again some divisions have 2008 E300s as driver trainers when SNE still have 03/04 buses in active serviceIn terms of deckers it's operations like East Mids and West that are crying out for some more Manchester Enviro400s on top of the loads they've already received. In terms of deckers North East is doing well, but singles you are correct.
(05 Feb 2021, 10:01 pm)toward6931 you would have thought with magic bus being the more budget low cost services they would have let the 08 plates live on a little longer. then again some divisions have 2008 E300s as driver trainers when SNE still have 03/04 buses in active serviceIn terms of deckers it's operations like East Mids and West that are crying out for some more Manchester Enviro400s on top of the loads they've already received. In terms of deckers North East is doing well, but singles you are correct.
(05 Feb 2021, 11:50 pm)cnjb800 In terms of deckers it's operations like East Mids and West that are crying out for some more Manchester Enviro400s on top of the loads they've already received. In terms of deckers North East is doing well, but singles you are correct.
(05 Feb 2021, 11:50 pm)cnjb800 In terms of deckers it's operations like East Mids and West that are crying out for some more Manchester Enviro400s on top of the loads they've already received. In terms of deckers North East is doing well, but singles you are correct.
Before getting too carried away, remember that Manchester has it's own clean air zone coming in, which is why the hybrids have had euro6 upgrades and gone onto Magic bus.
Manchester still have a small number of 57 plate E400s, 114 08 plate E400s, 74 58 plate E400s, 49 09 plate E400s, 6 59 plate Cummins E400s and the 20 59 plate MAN engined E400s not meeting the Euro6 requirements and are older than their hybrids on their latest fleet card, so I wouldn't pin any hopes on taking hybrids away from them any time soon.
(06 Feb 2021, 11:37 am)cainebj Before getting too carried away, remember that Manchester has it's own clean air zone coming in, which is why the hybrids have had euro6 upgrades and gone onto Magic bus.i didn't realize Manchester had it own CAZ aswell. i have seen in portsmouth a few 2008 ex Manchester E400s so hopefully they have managed to cascade most 57 and 08 plates by now
Manchester still have a small number of 57 plate E400s, 114 08 plate E400s, 74 58 plate E400s, 49 09 plate E400s, 6 59 plate Cummins E400s and the 20 59 plate MAN engined E400s not meeting the Euro6 requirements and are older than their hybrids on their latest fleet card, so I wouldn't pin any hopes on taking hybrids away from them any time soon.
(06 Feb 2021, 11:37 am)cainebj Before getting too carried away, remember that Manchester has it's own clean air zone coming in, which is why the hybrids have had euro6 upgrades and gone onto Magic bus.i didn't realize Manchester had it own CAZ aswell. i have seen in portsmouth a few 2008 ex Manchester E400s so hopefully they have managed to cascade most 57 and 08 plates by now
Manchester still have a small number of 57 plate E400s, 114 08 plate E400s, 74 58 plate E400s, 49 09 plate E400s, 6 59 plate Cummins E400s and the 20 59 plate MAN engined E400s not meeting the Euro6 requirements and are older than their hybrids on their latest fleet card, so I wouldn't pin any hopes on taking hybrids away from them any time soon.
(06 Feb 2021, 12:42 am)toward6931 yeah that's why I thought if SNE managed to acquire 14-24 newer decker's they could cascade some 2007/2008 buses to other areas, for arguments sake if SNE acquired 30 hybrids from Manchester that's still 75 new buses that can oust older buses plus whatever SNE decide to cascade.Whenever Covid ends I could see Newcastle getting some new buses to see of some early E400s, although there is no reason why they can't be upgraded to Euro 6.
if it wasn't for the CAZ that's incoming I would happily wait for a normal cycle of cascades and new buses coming in. from my estimation there's a good 30 odd double deck that need to be cascaded from Newcastle to be CAZ compliant, plus how many extra single decks and midi buses.
if other operations aren't having to operate under such stringent standards surely it would make sense to get SNE in a good position to avoid wasting money on paying tolls when other areas have vehicles that would be suitable. don't get me wrong I would love to see a brand new batch of 40 plus double decks and 40 plus single decks but I'm not naive enough to wish for that.
according to the article stagecoach has 750 buses in greater manchester, 144 of which are hybrids.
24 of them hybrids cascaded to north east is not a huge drop in the ocean when there is 105 electric buses to supplement them
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.54)]105 electric double decker buses for Manchester (sustainable-bus.com)
[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.54)]Stagecoach bosses offer to roll out 105 electric buses across Greater Manchester - Manchester Evening News[/color]
(06 Feb 2021, 12:42 am)toward6931 yeah that's why I thought if SNE managed to acquire 14-24 newer decker's they could cascade some 2007/2008 buses to other areas, for arguments sake if SNE acquired 30 hybrids from Manchester that's still 75 new buses that can oust older buses plus whatever SNE decide to cascade.Whenever Covid ends I could see Newcastle getting some new buses to see of some early E400s, although there is no reason why they can't be upgraded to Euro 6.
if it wasn't for the CAZ that's incoming I would happily wait for a normal cycle of cascades and new buses coming in. from my estimation there's a good 30 odd double deck that need to be cascaded from Newcastle to be CAZ compliant, plus how many extra single decks and midi buses.
if other operations aren't having to operate under such stringent standards surely it would make sense to get SNE in a good position to avoid wasting money on paying tolls when other areas have vehicles that would be suitable. don't get me wrong I would love to see a brand new batch of 40 plus double decks and 40 plus single decks but I'm not naive enough to wish for that.
according to the article stagecoach has 750 buses in greater manchester, 144 of which are hybrids.
24 of them hybrids cascaded to north east is not a huge drop in the ocean when there is 105 electric buses to supplement them
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.54)]105 electric double decker buses for Manchester (sustainable-bus.com)
[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.54)]Stagecoach bosses offer to roll out 105 electric buses across Greater Manchester - Manchester Evening News[/color]
I haven't done the maths but do they need many more Euro 6 buses if they upgraded all the Enviro's. I know they have loads of ALX 300's in service but they could easily be dumped on the 6, 7, 8 and 18 for the time being if required which don't need to be Euro 6.
(07 Feb 2021, 12:30 pm)Storx I haven't done the maths but do they need many more Euro 6 buses if they upgraded all the Enviro's. I know they have loads of ALX 300's in service but they could easily be dumped on the 6, 7, 8 and 18 for the time being if required which don't need to be Euro 6.
(07 Feb 2021, 12:30 pm)Storx I haven't done the maths but do they need many more Euro 6 buses if they upgraded all the Enviro's. I know they have loads of ALX 300's in service but they could easily be dumped on the 6, 7, 8 and 18 for the time being if required which don't need to be Euro 6.
(22 Feb 2021, 10:56 am)Acky81 Why do Newcastle Sunderland and South Shields not have magic bus. I know Newcastle previously didI don't really see the point of magic bus tbh, especially considering that Stagecoach want to have a "corporate identity" these days, it's not much point. A bus with a few stars on it doesn't make much difference if it's just the same route with the same buses as. It's not like Stagecoach Gold, where there would be new buses and passengers would think of it as a premium service with extra "luxuries". I don't think Magic Bus is known very well these days, except from Manchester. Back in the 90s/ early 2000s, I'm pretty sure Magic bus had a bad name for itself. You'd often see broken down Magicbuses around the city.
(22 Feb 2021, 10:56 am)Acky81 Why do Newcastle Sunderland and South Shields not have magic bus. I know Newcastle previously didI don't really see the point of magic bus tbh, especially considering that Stagecoach want to have a "corporate identity" these days, it's not much point. A bus with a few stars on it doesn't make much difference if it's just the same route with the same buses as. It's not like Stagecoach Gold, where there would be new buses and passengers would think of it as a premium service with extra "luxuries". I don't think Magic Bus is known very well these days, except from Manchester. Back in the 90s/ early 2000s, I'm pretty sure Magic bus had a bad name for itself. You'd often see broken down Magicbuses around the city.
Newcastle might get a small number of new singer decker buses, between 6 and 8. Newcastle can retain some ALX300s if they are spare buses if my memory is correct.
Likely cascading will see the newer ALX300s move to Stockton, where services 10,13,13a and 34 see ALX300 buses anyway so customers wouldn't be too affected.
A small batch of Stockton 64 plate E300's would transfer to Hartlepool, and the same number of ADL E200s would move to Newcastle to replace the remaining front line ALX300s.
(22 Feb 2021, 10:56 am)Acky81 Why do Newcastle Sunderland and South Shields not have magic bus. I know Newcastle previously did
(08 Feb 2021, 7:08 pm)logidoodah There is too many ALX 300's for 6,7,8 & 18 combined. They would definetely need either cascades or temporary transfers to/from other depots at the least. I also beleive tis would help with crowding on 6,7,8 & 18 mainly at peak times.
(22 Feb 2021, 10:56 am)Acky81 Why do Newcastle Sunderland and South Shields not have magic bus. I know Newcastle previously did
(08 Feb 2021, 7:08 pm)logidoodah There is too many ALX 300's for 6,7,8 & 18 combined. They would definetely need either cascades or temporary transfers to/from other depots at the least. I also beleive tis would help with crowding on 6,7,8 & 18 mainly at peak times.
(22 Feb 2021, 12:58 pm)Storx Yeah that's fair, I'm not too sure on the numbers there tbf.
(22 Feb 2021, 12:58 pm)Storx Yeah that's fair, I'm not too sure on the numbers there tbf.
(22 Feb 2021, 3:46 pm)logidoodah Numbers don't really matter at the moment thanks to Covid but I was speaking in pre-covid times, the 6/7/8 really stuggled with capacity at peak times with buses at their capacity with people standing. Especially from Metrocentre - Newbiggin Hall (Both ways). And the 18 was at crowded the times i've been on it. However I know that deckers are mainly used on this route anyways as it's walkergate's route and they have only a few singles anyways.
(22 Feb 2021, 3:46 pm)logidoodah Numbers don't really matter at the moment thanks to Covid but I was speaking in pre-covid times, the 6/7/8 really stuggled with capacity at peak times with buses at their capacity with people standing. Especially from Metrocentre - Newbiggin Hall (Both ways). And the 18 was at crowded the times i've been on it. However I know that deckers are mainly used on this route anyways as it's walkergate's route and they have only a few singles anyways.
(22 Feb 2021, 5:36 pm)Storx Ah you misread it there. Meant numbers in terms of number for allocations
(22 Feb 2021, 5:36 pm)Storx Ah you misread it there. Meant numbers in terms of number for allocations
(22 Feb 2021, 12:14 pm)Benny Newcastle might get a small number of new singer decker buses, between 6 and 8. Newcastle can retain some ALX300s if they are spare buses if my memory is correct.I wouldn’t mind the Stockton E300 been moved to Hartlepool or even the 54 plate Mans as the current fleet is unreliable and is often breaking down. Would be the next best thing to getting brand new buses here.
Likely cascading will see the newer ALX300s move to Stockton, where services 10,13,13a and 34 see ALX300 buses anyway so customers wouldn't be too affected.
A small batch of Stockton 64 plate E300's would transfer to Hartlepool, and the same number of ADL E200s would move to Newcastle to replace the remaining front line ALX300s.
(22 Feb 2021, 12:14 pm)Benny Newcastle might get a small number of new singer decker buses, between 6 and 8. Newcastle can retain some ALX300s if they are spare buses if my memory is correct.I wouldn’t mind the Stockton E300 been moved to Hartlepool or even the 54 plate Mans as the current fleet is unreliable and is often breaking down. Would be the next best thing to getting brand new buses here.
Likely cascading will see the newer ALX300s move to Stockton, where services 10,13,13a and 34 see ALX300 buses anyway so customers wouldn't be too affected.
A small batch of Stockton 64 plate E300's would transfer to Hartlepool, and the same number of ADL E200s would move to Newcastle to replace the remaining front line ALX300s.
(22 Feb 2021, 12:14 pm)Benny Newcastle might get a small number of new singer decker buses, between 6 and 8. Newcastle can retain some ALX300s if they are spare buses if my memory is correct.i would have thought that any E300s would come to Newcastle and 200s would stay around hartlepool, i could be wrong but quite a few Newcastle routes allocated 200s were strained for capacity especially with social distancing
Likely cascading will see the newer ALX300s move to Stockton, where services 10,13,13a and 34 see ALX300 buses anyway so customers wouldn't be too affected.
A small batch of Stockton 64 plate E300's would transfer to Hartlepool, and the same number of ADL E200s would move to Newcastle to replace the remaining front line ALX300s.
(22 Feb 2021, 12:14 pm)Benny Newcastle might get a small number of new singer decker buses, between 6 and 8. Newcastle can retain some ALX300s if they are spare buses if my memory is correct.i would have thought that any E300s would come to Newcastle and 200s would stay around hartlepool, i could be wrong but quite a few Newcastle routes allocated 200s were strained for capacity especially with social distancing
Likely cascading will see the newer ALX300s move to Stockton, where services 10,13,13a and 34 see ALX300 buses anyway so customers wouldn't be too affected.
A small batch of Stockton 64 plate E300's would transfer to Hartlepool, and the same number of ADL E200s would move to Newcastle to replace the remaining front line ALX300s.
(28 Feb 2021, 1:07 am)toward6931 i would have thought that any E300s would come to Newcastle and 200s would stay around hartlepool, i could be wrong but quite a few Newcastle routes allocated 200s were strained for capacity especially with social distancingThe MAN E200s have more seats than a ADL E300 and with a new Euro 6 engine could improve reliability on these buses. Also stagecoach seem to like fleet standardisation, keeping batches together etc.
(28 Feb 2021, 1:07 am)toward6931 i would have thought that any E300s would come to Newcastle and 200s would stay around hartlepool, i could be wrong but quite a few Newcastle routes allocated 200s were strained for capacity especially with social distancingThe MAN E200s have more seats than a ADL E300 and with a new Euro 6 engine could improve reliability on these buses. Also stagecoach seem to like fleet standardisation, keeping batches together etc.
