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glen



705
26 May 2021, 3:26 pm #141
I would like to see E 400 mmc at Stockton on 36 I like it when Newcastle E400 mmc were on loan at Stockton.
glen
26 May 2021, 3:26 pm #141

I would like to see E 400 mmc at Stockton on 36 I like it when Newcastle E400 mmc were on loan at Stockton.

Youngymmv



168
26 May 2021, 4:59 pm #142
Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year

As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
Edited 26 May 2021, 5:04 pm by Youngymmv.
Youngymmv
26 May 2021, 4:59 pm #142

Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year


As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)

col87



493
26 May 2021, 5:55 pm #143
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year

As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
Most likely is that yes. Meanwhile Hartlepool have buses that no hardly fit for purpose and the engineers seeming to work flat out to keep them on the road. Newcastle have a big problem in that they have at least half the fleet unsuitable to be used in the city centre soon and once covid is over quite a few of Stockton’s services will likely once again be full. It the usual thing with Stagecoach though they don’t care. They won’t sell because if it don’t make much profit they still have a monopoly in that area but they won’t invest either.  Something needs doing but they won’t do anything.
col87
26 May 2021, 5:55 pm #143

(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year

As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)
Most likely is that yes. Meanwhile Hartlepool have buses that no hardly fit for purpose and the engineers seeming to work flat out to keep them on the road. Newcastle have a big problem in that they have at least half the fleet unsuitable to be used in the city centre soon and once covid is over quite a few of Stockton’s services will likely once again be full. It the usual thing with Stagecoach though they don’t care. They won’t sell because if it don’t make much profit they still have a monopoly in that area but they won’t invest either.  Something needs doing but they won’t do anything.

GNE6312



1,091
26 May 2021, 6:56 pm #144
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year

As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)

Stagecoach seem to favouritise the Scottish depots because they originated there
GNE6312
26 May 2021, 6:56 pm #144

(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year

As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)

Stagecoach seem to favouritise the Scottish depots because they originated there

col87



493
26 May 2021, 7:49 pm #145
(26 May 2021, 6:56 pm)GNE6312 Stagecoach seem to favouritise the Scottish depots because they originated there
Which is shocking when Hartlepool is in need of investment badly.
col87
26 May 2021, 7:49 pm #145

(26 May 2021, 6:56 pm)GNE6312 Stagecoach seem to favouritise the Scottish depots because they originated there
Which is shocking when Hartlepool is in need of investment badly.

IRHardy



58
26 May 2021, 8:18 pm #146
(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year

As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)

Actually for Scotland:
52 buses are because Stagecoach has been awarded Electric Bus funding by the Scottish Government (which is mostly funded by the UK Government but that is another can of worms).
25 Volvo B8RLEs are for a new contracts gained on Orkney
6 AD E400MMCs for Fife
2 AD E400MMCs for Aberdeen

For England:
4 AD E400MMCs for the Canterbury Park & Ride contract
25 BYD double deckers for TfL contracts 160 & 180
21 Scania / AD E400MMCs for Gloucester route 10

Nothing for Wales

So a total of 140 buses with only 29 not related to a contract requirement or outside funding.
Don't forget that over the past 12 months Stagecoach and every other bus company has not made any money so they are only going to buy buses to meet contractual requirements, hopefully next year it will be better but who knows.
IRHardy
26 May 2021, 8:18 pm #146

(26 May 2021, 4:59 pm)Youngymmv Well there was nothing listed for any NE in the stagecoach handbook for this year

As per usual it’s the “pet depots” of Scotland that get bulk of orders. Investment upon investment in areas that probably don’t even have justification (rant over)

Actually for Scotland:
52 buses are because Stagecoach has been awarded Electric Bus funding by the Scottish Government (which is mostly funded by the UK Government but that is another can of worms).
25 Volvo B8RLEs are for a new contracts gained on Orkney
6 AD E400MMCs for Fife
2 AD E400MMCs for Aberdeen

For England:
4 AD E400MMCs for the Canterbury Park & Ride contract
25 BYD double deckers for TfL contracts 160 & 180
21 Scania / AD E400MMCs for Gloucester route 10

Nothing for Wales

So a total of 140 buses with only 29 not related to a contract requirement or outside funding.
Don't forget that over the past 12 months Stagecoach and every other bus company has not made any money so they are only going to buy buses to meet contractual requirements, hopefully next year it will be better but who knows.

27 May 2022, 3:10 pm #147
i think SNE especially the Newcastle division needs more investment, when i worked there nearly ten years ago now it was either the 3rd largest division in UK bus or 3rd most profitable, i cant remember which one.  Now that DWS has pretty much won the takeover and stagecoach has swooped in with a 20 million pound takeover of east London buses to say things are tight is not much of an excuse.

i think if 25 new double decker's could be  sourced it would alleviate a few problems namely allowing the 15 eldest decker's from SNE to cascaded elsewhere. and the remaining ten being used to increase capacity on a number of services. replacing the 5 oldest or most problematic single decker's at slatyford would help to make the transition to CAZ easier. 

i would break it down as the following

15x E400MMCs for walkergate enabling a cascade replacing 5x2007 E400s and 10x2008 E400s throughout the rest of SNE
10xE400 EMMCs replacing 10 single decker's at slatyford firstly allowing 5 E200s to be replaced. perhaps 3 to walkergate for 317 route  allowing some of the older ALX300s to used for component recovery and 2E200s to go to hartlepool to enable 2 of the troublesome E200s there to be replaced. Perhaps cascading 3 of the SP08 E300s with one of them scrapped for component recovery and the remaining numbers for replacing ALX300s



https://www.insider.co.uk/news/stagecoac...l-27079387
toward6931
27 May 2022, 3:10 pm #147

i think SNE especially the Newcastle division needs more investment, when i worked there nearly ten years ago now it was either the 3rd largest division in UK bus or 3rd most profitable, i cant remember which one.  Now that DWS has pretty much won the takeover and stagecoach has swooped in with a 20 million pound takeover of east London buses to say things are tight is not much of an excuse.

i think if 25 new double decker's could be  sourced it would alleviate a few problems namely allowing the 15 eldest decker's from SNE to cascaded elsewhere. and the remaining ten being used to increase capacity on a number of services. replacing the 5 oldest or most problematic single decker's at slatyford would help to make the transition to CAZ easier. 

i would break it down as the following

15x E400MMCs for walkergate enabling a cascade replacing 5x2007 E400s and 10x2008 E400s throughout the rest of SNE
10xE400 EMMCs replacing 10 single decker's at slatyford firstly allowing 5 E200s to be replaced. perhaps 3 to walkergate for 317 route  allowing some of the older ALX300s to used for component recovery and 2E200s to go to hartlepool to enable 2 of the troublesome E200s there to be replaced. Perhaps cascading 3 of the SP08 E300s with one of them scrapped for component recovery and the remaining numbers for replacing ALX300s



https://www.insider.co.uk/news/stagecoac...l-27079387

col87



493
31 May 2022, 5:23 pm #148
I think what I would do is this.

Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and 39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services.

Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well. Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.

This would then be the order for the north East

13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.

10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.

This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.
col87
31 May 2022, 5:23 pm #148

I think what I would do is this.

Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and 39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services.

Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well. Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.

This would then be the order for the north East

13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.

10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.

This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.

Storx



4,481
31 May 2022, 6:20 pm #149
(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this. 

Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and  39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services. 

Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well.  Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and  Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.

This would then be the order for the north East

13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.

10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.

This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.

Can't see that personally. I think all the crap with just be sent down to Stockton and Hartlepool with the newer buses heading North for the LEZ.

There's very very likely going to be some of Hydrogen order in the next couple of years down there as part of their BSIP which they got funding for which will see off all the older buses. I believe the 36 is one of the first routes getting done with no doubt PVR reductions because of the end of COVID funding in some areas anyway. No way will some routes survive as they are now.
Storx
31 May 2022, 6:20 pm #149

(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this. 

Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and  39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services. 

Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well.  Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and  Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.

This would then be the order for the north East

13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.

10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.

This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.

Can't see that personally. I think all the crap with just be sent down to Stockton and Hartlepool with the newer buses heading North for the LEZ.

There's very very likely going to be some of Hydrogen order in the next couple of years down there as part of their BSIP which they got funding for which will see off all the older buses. I believe the 36 is one of the first routes getting done with no doubt PVR reductions because of the end of COVID funding in some areas anyway. No way will some routes survive as they are now.

Benny



50
31 May 2022, 6:59 pm #150
(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this. 

Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and  39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services. 

Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well.  Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and  Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.

This would then be the order for the north East

13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.

10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.

This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.

I'd say send the new buses above all to Newcastle. Send 5 of the 200MMC from Stockton so that service 36 is the flagship route plus 1 spare. 37/38 could use old deckers from Newcastle or routes like 10/13/14 could be ran by midi buses from Newcastle.  

Hartlepool will get whatever is spare.
Benny
31 May 2022, 6:59 pm #150

(31 May 2022, 5:23 pm)col87 I think what I would do is this. 

Split the remaining Alexander 300 between Hartlepool and Stockton depot. Hartlepool can use them on the 1 6/7 routes and Stockton on the 10/12/13/14 and  39 and cover on the 36/37/38 services. 

Move all remaining darts to Hartlepool as well.  Any darts at shields would be swapped with enviro 200 making it easier for Hartlepool and  Shields to mostly have one type of midi bus.

This would then be the order for the north East

13 Enviro 200 MMC
3 For Hartlepool
5 For Newcastle
5 For Stockton.

10 Enviro 400 MMC
5 Slatyford
5 Walkergate
Older enviro 400 where possible split between remaining depots.

This should not just help with CAZ but also see off some of the Manviro 200s which are very unreliable.

I'd say send the new buses above all to Newcastle. Send 5 of the 200MMC from Stockton so that service 36 is the flagship route plus 1 spare. 37/38 could use old deckers from Newcastle or routes like 10/13/14 could be ran by midi buses from Newcastle.  

Hartlepool will get whatever is spare.

col87



493
31 May 2022, 9:20 pm #151
(31 May 2022, 6:59 pm)Benny I'd say send the new buses above all to Newcastle. Send 5 of the 200MMC from Stockton so that service 36 is the flagship route plus 1 spare. 37/38 could use old deckers from Newcastle or routes like 10/13/14 could be ran by midi buses from Newcastle.  

Hartlepool will get whatever is spare.
Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.
col87
31 May 2022, 9:20 pm #151

(31 May 2022, 6:59 pm)Benny I'd say send the new buses above all to Newcastle. Send 5 of the 200MMC from Stockton so that service 36 is the flagship route plus 1 spare. 37/38 could use old deckers from Newcastle or routes like 10/13/14 could be ran by midi buses from Newcastle.  

Hartlepool will get whatever is spare.
Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.

glen



705
31 May 2022, 10:00 pm #152
Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?
glen
31 May 2022, 10:00 pm #152

Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?

col87



493
31 May 2022, 10:48 pm #153
(31 May 2022, 10:00 pm)glen Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?
They definitely need them the current fleet is falling to bits.
col87
31 May 2022, 10:48 pm #153

(31 May 2022, 10:00 pm)glen Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?
They definitely need them the current fleet is falling to bits.

Benny



50
01 Jun 2022, 6:31 pm #154
(31 May 2022, 9:20 pm)col87 Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.

Hartlepool would be the perfect depot for full electric buses, which I'm surprised they didn't do for ZEBRA. I just can't see any new buses coming to Hartlepool atm, from a business point any buses that need to be bought are purely for CAZ at Newcastle.
Benny
01 Jun 2022, 6:31 pm #154

(31 May 2022, 9:20 pm)col87 Why should keep getting the crap though there’s been no new buses here since 2008. The majority are knackered it’s in desperate need of new buses.

Hartlepool would be the perfect depot for full electric buses, which I'm surprised they didn't do for ZEBRA. I just can't see any new buses coming to Hartlepool atm, from a business point any buses that need to be bought are purely for CAZ at Newcastle.

Storx



4,481
01 Jun 2022, 6:41 pm #155
(31 May 2022, 10:48 pm)col87 They definitely need them the current fleet is falling to bits.

I hate being negative but Hartlepool is a bit of a basketcase of a depot and I have a feeling the area could be in big trouble when the BSIP payments end.

Other than the 36 there's nothing really strong there hence it's low cost and is dumped with any crap they can find with the 36 conveniently ran from Stockton instead.

You'll get Hydrogen buses on the 36 soon'ish but the rest of the depot won't ever get a new bus again imo.

South Shields is the same with the E1/E2/E6 moved to Wheatsheaf.
Storx
01 Jun 2022, 6:41 pm #155

(31 May 2022, 10:48 pm)col87 They definitely need them the current fleet is falling to bits.

I hate being negative but Hartlepool is a bit of a basketcase of a depot and I have a feeling the area could be in big trouble when the BSIP payments end.

Other than the 36 there's nothing really strong there hence it's low cost and is dumped with any crap they can find with the 36 conveniently ran from Stockton instead.

You'll get Hydrogen buses on the 36 soon'ish but the rest of the depot won't ever get a new bus again imo.

South Shields is the same with the E1/E2/E6 moved to Wheatsheaf.

col87



493
01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm #156
(01 Jun 2022, 6:41 pm)Storx I hate being negative but Hartlepool is a bit of a basketcase of a depot and I have a feeling the area could be in big trouble when the BSIP payments end.

Other than the 36 there's nothing really strong there hence it's low cost and is dumped with any crap they can find with the 36 conveniently ran from Stockton instead.

You'll get Hydrogen buses on the 36 soon'ish but the rest of the depot won't ever get a new bus again imo.

South Shields is the same with the E1/E2/E6 moved to Wheatsheaf.
The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits.  There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.
col87
01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm #156

(01 Jun 2022, 6:41 pm)Storx I hate being negative but Hartlepool is a bit of a basketcase of a depot and I have a feeling the area could be in big trouble when the BSIP payments end.

Other than the 36 there's nothing really strong there hence it's low cost and is dumped with any crap they can find with the 36 conveniently ran from Stockton instead.

You'll get Hydrogen buses on the 36 soon'ish but the rest of the depot won't ever get a new bus again imo.

South Shields is the same with the E1/E2/E6 moved to Wheatsheaf.
The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits.  There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.

Andreos1



14,155
01 Jun 2022, 7:37 pm #157
(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits.  There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.
*insert name of most operators* had some better services then it might just become profitable.
Fixed it for you. 

I genuinely don't know how something that's so blindingly obvious keeps whooshing over the head of those who are paid to look after the network.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
01 Jun 2022, 7:37 pm #157

(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits.  There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.
*insert name of most operators* had some better services then it might just become profitable.
Fixed it for you. 

I genuinely don't know how something that's so blindingly obvious keeps whooshing over the head of those who are paid to look after the network.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Storx



4,481
01 Jun 2022, 7:46 pm #158
(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits.  There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.

Must admit I'm not that well known of the Hartlepool network but it seems a bit crap with buses to Hartlepool and not anywhere else. Doesn't help Arriva have the decent routes where people actually might want to go Peterlee, Durham, Sunderland etc.

It's a funny one as I can't see how you could fix it as people just don't want to go to Hartlepool and if you have buses out of town then your competing with Arriva and/or the train.

Mind I think the 3/3A is the one that's in trouble even known it'll leave areas without a bus service plus the Arriva 57/57A aswell potentially.
Storx
01 Jun 2022, 7:46 pm #158

(01 Jun 2022, 7:24 pm)col87 The thing is if the fleet was a lot better and Stagecoach had some better services then it might just become profitable. The Headland and Seaton for example get busy this time of year when the weather gets nice but you have 1 service to each place using buses that are knackered which can often result in breakdowns meaning the service can get unreliable. Better buses to places people want to go to Seaton, Headland, Teesbay Retail park, maybe Tesco, the Marina, Hospital both Hartlepool and North Tees then you would probably see better profits.  There not really anything else they can cut from the service here either. Most of the town has nothing after 6:30 the only service to the villages is a minibus service operated by a local minibus company a few times a week or the so called Tees flex. Some areas barely get a service every 30 minutes and parts of the town have no Service at all. Reducing the 6 and 7 which can get busy at times as it is will just cause more problems so really can’t see what else they could cut.

Must admit I'm not that well known of the Hartlepool network but it seems a bit crap with buses to Hartlepool and not anywhere else. Doesn't help Arriva have the decent routes where people actually might want to go Peterlee, Durham, Sunderland etc.

It's a funny one as I can't see how you could fix it as people just don't want to go to Hartlepool and if you have buses out of town then your competing with Arriva and/or the train.

Mind I think the 3/3A is the one that's in trouble even known it'll leave areas without a bus service plus the Arriva 57/57A aswell potentially.

cbma06



2,669
01 Jun 2022, 8:24 pm #159
This is what happens when areas get carved up

When stagecoach purchased Hartlepool transport, there was an agreement between united/Arriva and stagecoach , Arriva let stagecoach have Hartlepool south area towards billingham , Stockton and Middlesbrough. While stagecoach let Arriva have chunks of the Cleveland transit areas. In Hartlepool you can’t go east unless you got a boat, to go west Arriva withdrew (streamlined)there services towards bishop Auckland , Darlington etc.. and to force passengers heading that way to go via Durham to get to there destination, direct services don’t exist as there are not profitable and making the passenger/customer to travel the route the bus company wants and the times that there want, no wonder more and more are turning to cars etc…
Am surprised stagecoach Hartlepool didnt go the same way as stagecoach Darlington


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cbma06
01 Jun 2022, 8:24 pm #159

This is what happens when areas get carved up

When stagecoach purchased Hartlepool transport, there was an agreement between united/Arriva and stagecoach , Arriva let stagecoach have Hartlepool south area towards billingham , Stockton and Middlesbrough. While stagecoach let Arriva have chunks of the Cleveland transit areas. In Hartlepool you can’t go east unless you got a boat, to go west Arriva withdrew (streamlined)there services towards bishop Auckland , Darlington etc.. and to force passengers heading that way to go via Durham to get to there destination, direct services don’t exist as there are not profitable and making the passenger/customer to travel the route the bus company wants and the times that there want, no wonder more and more are turning to cars etc…
Am surprised stagecoach Hartlepool didnt go the same way as stagecoach Darlington


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02 Jun 2022, 12:07 am #160
(31 May 2022, 10:00 pm)glen Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?

they do but so does Newcastle for CAZ, kill two birds with one stone if say 15 new 200MMCs were bought for slatyford which could then cascade through Sunderland as they have Newcastle bound services, then down to hartlepool. as it is a lower input area than NCL and SDLD
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02 Jun 2022, 12:07 am #160

(31 May 2022, 10:00 pm)glen Stagecoach Hartlepool need new buses I think?

they do but so does Newcastle for CAZ, kill two birds with one stone if say 15 new 200MMCs were bought for slatyford which could then cascade through Sunderland as they have Newcastle bound services, then down to hartlepool. as it is a lower input area than NCL and SDLD

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