Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
(02 Jun 2022, 1:52 pm)col87 What you could do for Hartlepool is this.
1 High Tunstall - Middlesbrough kept as it is but possibly becoming a joint service with Stockton.
The High Tunstal Seaton Journey renumbered to 1A or 2. Meaning that reduces the number of buses Hartlepool need for it.
3/3A already had reductions down from 15 - 30 Minutes can’t really cut it further. Putting it back to inter working with the 6 could work though. 3 would run every 20 minutes.
6 continues as now but split back into every second Journey going to South Fens these Journeys renumbered as 5 on 20 minutes frequency. 6 would inter work with the 3.
7 could be dropped down to every 15 minutes going back up to 10 at peak times.
If more drivers and better buses become available also do a 7A again which operates via Millbank Road and Morrisons M - F daytimes
This would only be temporary solutions though the long aim should be better services.
Using Saint Patrick’s could do 3/6/7 inter working.
Say a fleet of 36
5 Dart SLF
10 of the better 08 plate enviros
6 Alexander 300 ( From Stockton or Newcastle )
2 Mercedes Benz sprinters ( Teesflex)
3 05 plate enviro 300 ( from Teesside )
10 64/15 plate Enviro 300 ( From Stockton ).
This would see off the majority of the 08 plate enviros. The 59 and 61 plate Dart bodied enviros could be used in spare capacity’s or go back to Sunderland/ Shields depots for work there.
If Newcastle get 20 or so buses such as mixture of enviro 200 and 400 MMC then Stockton could get older 57- 61 plate enviros as well as well as Alexander 300 freeing up some buses to move to Hartlepool which would make the fleet more reliable even if it is still mostly older buses.
But the 05 plate e300s are used on the 35 for the School Runs which are packed and smaller buses can't handle them sk they won't be going
So what hydrogen buses will we be getting and when?
(02 Jun 2022, 1:52 pm)col87 What you could do for Hartlepool is this.
1 High Tunstall - Middlesbrough kept as it is but possibly becoming a joint service with Stockton.
The High Tunstal Seaton Journey renumbered to 1A or 2. Meaning that reduces the number of buses Hartlepool need for it.
3/3A already had reductions down from 15 - 30 Minutes can’t really cut it further. Putting it back to inter working with the 6 could work though. 3 would run every 20 minutes.
6 continues as now but split back into every second Journey going to South Fens these Journeys renumbered as 5 on 20 minutes frequency. 6 would inter work with the 3.
7 could be dropped down to every 15 minutes going back up to 10 at peak times.
If more drivers and better buses become available also do a 7A again which operates via Millbank Road and Morrisons M - F daytimes
This would only be temporary solutions though the long aim should be better services.
Using Saint Patrick’s could do 3/6/7 inter working.
Say a fleet of 36
5 Dart SLF
10 of the better 08 plate enviros
6 Alexander 300 ( From Stockton or Newcastle )
2 Mercedes Benz sprinters ( Teesflex)
3 05 plate enviro 300 ( from Teesside )
10 64/15 plate Enviro 300 ( From Stockton ).
This would see off the majority of the 08 plate enviros. The 59 and 61 plate Dart bodied enviros could be used in spare capacity’s or go back to Sunderland/ Shields depots for work there.
If Newcastle get 20 or so buses such as mixture of enviro 200 and 400 MMC then Stockton could get older 57- 61 plate enviros as well as well as Alexander 300 freeing up some buses to move to Hartlepool which would make the fleet more reliable even if it is still mostly older buses.
But the 05 plate e300s are used on the 35 for the School Runs which are packed and smaller buses can't handle them sk they won't be going
(05 Aug 2022, 2:03 pm)Lollist So what hydrogen buses will we be getting and when?
Imagine Arriva and Stagecosch shared the 36, ik the flexitickrt is in place but they could make a better one and 2 way flexiticket if they ever decided to do this
(05 Aug 2022, 2:03 pm)Lollist So what hydrogen buses will we be getting and when?
Imagine Arriva and Stagecosch shared the 36, ik the flexitickrt is in place but they could make a better one and 2 way flexiticket if they ever decided to do this
(13 Aug 2022, 1:00 am)glen So is stagecoach north east getting new buses the way talking we are getting new buses then?i dont think there is glen, i would like there to be myself as i dont think a high performing area with a healthy profit margin should be running buses that are nearly 20 years old but obviously stagecoach dont agree, im sure SNE would like to have newer buses.
(13 Aug 2022, 1:00 am)glen So is stagecoach north east getting new buses the way talking we are getting new buses then?i dont think there is glen, i would like there to be myself as i dont think a high performing area with a healthy profit margin should be running buses that are nearly 20 years old but obviously stagecoach dont agree, im sure SNE would like to have newer buses.
(11 Aug 2022, 12:46 pm)col87 I don’t think it will ever happen. As for the Enviro 300 if Stockton got some of the older Deckers from Newcastle that would solve the issue at School times. The same is true in Hartlepool it’s been the case for year the current buses struggle to cope with school kids as well as normal especially on the 6/7 with how many schools each of them pass.Lmao I get the 35 to school daily it's absolutely packed poor alx300s struggle literally no seats people have to stand at the doors and the moody drivers constantly saying "move back" when you can't move back because it's too full it's ridiculous
(13 Aug 2022, 10:20 pm)glen Just want to say the 36 37,38 was on the window of 26293 have gone I thought that bus was for the 36,37,38 service?I've seen them on 58,59 and 35 and 14/39/13 before there isn't really an allocation for them
(11 Aug 2022, 12:46 pm)col87 I don’t think it will ever happen. As for the Enviro 300 if Stockton got some of the older Deckers from Newcastle that would solve the issue at School times. The same is true in Hartlepool it’s been the case for year the current buses struggle to cope with school kids as well as normal especially on the 6/7 with how many schools each of them pass.Lmao I get the 35 to school daily it's absolutely packed poor alx300s struggle literally no seats people have to stand at the doors and the moody drivers constantly saying "move back" when you can't move back because it's too full it's ridiculous
(13 Aug 2022, 10:20 pm)glen Just want to say the 36 37,38 was on the window of 26293 have gone I thought that bus was for the 36,37,38 service?I've seen them on 58,59 and 35 and 14/39/13 before there isn't really an allocation for them
(14 Aug 2022, 8:10 am)Lollist Lmao I get the 35 to school daily it's absolutely packed poor alx300s struggle literally no seats people have to stand at the doors and the moody drivers constantly saying "move back" when you can't move back because it's too full it's ridiculouswhats the ojs?
I've seen them on 58,59 and 35 and 14/39/13 before there isn't really an allocation for them
Aren't stockton getting 09 plate e300s in trade for the oj's
(14 Aug 2022, 8:10 am)Lollist Lmao I get the 35 to school daily it's absolutely packed poor alx300s struggle literally no seats people have to stand at the doors and the moody drivers constantly saying "move back" when you can't move back because it's too full it's ridiculouswhats the ojs?
I've seen them on 58,59 and 35 and 14/39/13 before there isn't really an allocation for them
Aren't stockton getting 09 plate e300s in trade for the oj's
Hartlepool got 15 new B10M's, the 10 in '95 and a further 5 in '98. There were 5 new Dart's in '96 i think? The "Super6" one's were actually new to Stockton depot in November '97.
Think I've twice saw comments on here about Hartlepool having 2 "Tees Flex" branded buses, theres 3.
I'm told engineering have major headaches with the MAN's but I personally prefer driving them to the ADL's as I find them less problematic in service. 39661, 39666 and a third one i forget the number of are up for imminent withdrawal and are being replaced by a trio of 36XXX buses from Newcastle.
Hartlepool also got 4 Yorkshire Dart's but 35236 has yet to enter service and 35263 was rotten and got scrapped
Personally, I've had no issues with seating space on school runs. Granted ther's very few empty seats, but there are often empty seat when I drive them. Or maybe the kids avoid my bus because of my driving?
(14 Aug 2022, 12:01 pm)Lollist SN64OJ batch like SN64OJYah right yeah
Ideally what Hartlepool needs is new buses for the 1 6/7.
The Manviros struggle to do the route along Tees Road so something like Enviro 200 MMC would work well on it or even some of the 64 plate Enviro 300 Stockton have. I would think would need a PVR of 4 - 8 so order of 10 with 2 spares could go on other routes would be about right.
The 6/7 are probably the most profitable of the Hartlepool services and both can get quite so some decent buses on there are needed. Again the Enviros what Stockton have would be ideal for it.
All of the remaining fleet would then be used for the 3/3A and as spares. The fact is the buses are not good enough what Hartlepool have.
(14 Aug 2022, 3:15 pm)You tcts24 Hartlepool got 15 new B10M's, the 10 in '95 and a further 5 in '98. There were 5 new Dart's in '96 i think? The "Super6" one's were actually new to Stockton depot in November '97.Yeah that’s close enough the B10Ms where the first buses in Stagecoach stripes when they took over Hartlepool Transport. They where replacements for Bristol REs. Then in 96 a few second hand Lynx’s where brought in as well to get rid of some of the Dennis Falcons.The final REs where withdrawn in 97 due to the B10Ms. They was one or two darts I don’t think they were new though and they didn’t really last long only about a year. Then in 1999 the super six darts entered Service which seen off the Leyland Nationals and all but about 2 Falcons. Some more darts come in late 2000 which seen off the last Falcon. Then in 2003 some B10Bs came from Newcastle to replace the Lynx’s. In 2004 the next brand new buses entered service with the Dart SLF which replaced the Step Entrance darts. Then nothing until 2008 when 19 Manviro 200 entered service. This not only seen off the B10S but the few Volvo Olympians what where here ( although lasted till about 2009 doing school work ). 2 B10Bs survived till 2010 when service changes made them redundant. Then between 2010 - 2014 Hartlepool depot was just Manviro 200 Transbus Dart SLF and Alexander 200 darts. The Alexander 200 started getting withdrawn in 2013 with the last remaining one getting withdrawn on New Years Eve 2014. Then nothing apart from Sunderland Dart SLF replacing Hartlepool ones in 2015 and some manviros coming from Shields. The darts got withdrawn in 2017 with Enviros coming from shields. Then a year later some Manviros where swapped with Enviros from Sunderland. The Darts only came back in 2020 due to shortages with the ones coming from Yorkshire in late 2021.
Think I've twice saw comments on here about Hartlepool having 2 "Tees Flex" branded buses, theres 3.
I'm told engineering have major headaches with the MAN's but I personally prefer driving them to the ADL's as I find them less problematic in service. 39661, 39666 and a third one i forget the number of are up for imminent withdrawal and are being replaced by a trio of 36XXX buses from Newcastle.
Hartlepool also got 4 Yorkshire Dart's but 35236 has yet to enter service and 35263 was rotten and got scrapped
Personally, I've had no issues with seating space on school runs. Granted ther's very few empty seats, but there are often empty seat when I drive them. Or maybe the kids avoid my bus because of my driving?
(14 Aug 2022, 3:15 pm)You tcts24 Hartlepool got 15 new B10M's, the 10 in '95 and a further 5 in '98. There were 5 new Dart's in '96 i think? The "Super6" one's were actually new to Stockton depot in November '97.Yeah that’s close enough the B10Ms where the first buses in Stagecoach stripes when they took over Hartlepool Transport. They where replacements for Bristol REs. Then in 96 a few second hand Lynx’s where brought in as well to get rid of some of the Dennis Falcons.The final REs where withdrawn in 97 due to the B10Ms. They was one or two darts I don’t think they were new though and they didn’t really last long only about a year. Then in 1999 the super six darts entered Service which seen off the Leyland Nationals and all but about 2 Falcons. Some more darts come in late 2000 which seen off the last Falcon. Then in 2003 some B10Bs came from Newcastle to replace the Lynx’s. In 2004 the next brand new buses entered service with the Dart SLF which replaced the Step Entrance darts. Then nothing until 2008 when 19 Manviro 200 entered service. This not only seen off the B10S but the few Volvo Olympians what where here ( although lasted till about 2009 doing school work ). 2 B10Bs survived till 2010 when service changes made them redundant. Then between 2010 - 2014 Hartlepool depot was just Manviro 200 Transbus Dart SLF and Alexander 200 darts. The Alexander 200 started getting withdrawn in 2013 with the last remaining one getting withdrawn on New Years Eve 2014. Then nothing apart from Sunderland Dart SLF replacing Hartlepool ones in 2015 and some manviros coming from Shields. The darts got withdrawn in 2017 with Enviros coming from shields. Then a year later some Manviros where swapped with Enviros from Sunderland. The Darts only came back in 2020 due to shortages with the ones coming from Yorkshire in late 2021.
Think I've twice saw comments on here about Hartlepool having 2 "Tees Flex" branded buses, theres 3.
I'm told engineering have major headaches with the MAN's but I personally prefer driving them to the ADL's as I find them less problematic in service. 39661, 39666 and a third one i forget the number of are up for imminent withdrawal and are being replaced by a trio of 36XXX buses from Newcastle.
Hartlepool also got 4 Yorkshire Dart's but 35236 has yet to enter service and 35263 was rotten and got scrapped
Personally, I've had no issues with seating space on school runs. Granted ther's very few empty seats, but there are often empty seat when I drive them. Or maybe the kids avoid my bus because of my driving?
(14 Aug 2022, 9:58 pm)Unber43 Are SC Hartlepool services just not profitable which is why all their buses are so old and are being stuck together the best they can? Or does SC just not want to invest?i think hartlepool like south shields is a "low cost" depot, i dont know whether that means a lot of services are not profit making and subsidised by local government or nexus etc, so it would make sense from a commercial view to put your best buses where they are actually going to make money
(14 Aug 2022, 9:58 pm)Unber43 Are SC Hartlepool services just not profitable which is why all their buses are so old and are being stuck together the best they can? Or does SC just not want to invest?i think hartlepool like south shields is a "low cost" depot, i dont know whether that means a lot of services are not profit making and subsidised by local government or nexus etc, so it would make sense from a commercial view to put your best buses where they are actually going to make money
It was the "Super 6" Dart's that saw off the RE's. Stockton got those new replacing Lynx's for Hartlepool in November '97. Hartlepool got 5 new Dart's in '96, P457-61EEF but yea, they wern't about long before heading to Darlington. The Lynx's survived up to 2004 being replaced by the new 2004 Dart's.
As for buses struggling on Tees Road, the only one's I've had bother with are the limp mode ADL's. The MAN's are absolutely fine. The only issue is there's 2 of them we can't turn the engine off at Middlesbrough Bus Station because the injectors are shot and they wont start again.
(15 Aug 2022, 11:43 am)tcts24 It was the "Super 6" Dart's that saw off the RE's. Stockton got those new replacing Lynx's for Hartlepool in November '97. Hartlepool got 5 new Dart's in '96, P457-61EEF but yea, they wern't about long before heading to Darlington. The Lynx's survived up to 2004 being replaced by the new 2004 Dart's.That’s not quite right. The last RE run in November 1997 but the super six darts didn’t enter service till Spring 1999. The Lynx’s where brought in to replace the remaining RE. The super six darts in affect replaced the leyland national as they went the same time the super six was launched with the majority of Falcon also gone by that point. The last falcon managed to survive till the Autumn of 2000 when the step entrance darts entered service. The lynx’s got withdrawn in Late 2003 but same went to Stockton with others been turned into driver training buses. The Newcastle B10B replaced them. The service 1 didn’t get the Darts till Spring 2004 and it definitely the step entrance darts. One step entrance dart did come back in 2007 mainly doing the 5/7/7A/12 services but that went with the Volvos in 2008 when the Manviros entered service.
As for buses struggling on Tees Road, the only one's I've had bother with are the limp mode ADL's. The MAN's are absolutely fine. The only issue is there's 2 of them we can't turn the engine off at Middlesbrough Bus Station because the injectors are shot and they wont start again.
(15 Aug 2022, 11:43 am)tcts24 It was the "Super 6" Dart's that saw off the RE's. Stockton got those new replacing Lynx's for Hartlepool in November '97. Hartlepool got 5 new Dart's in '96, P457-61EEF but yea, they wern't about long before heading to Darlington. The Lynx's survived up to 2004 being replaced by the new 2004 Dart's.That’s not quite right. The last RE run in November 1997 but the super six darts didn’t enter service till Spring 1999. The Lynx’s where brought in to replace the remaining RE. The super six darts in affect replaced the leyland national as they went the same time the super six was launched with the majority of Falcon also gone by that point. The last falcon managed to survive till the Autumn of 2000 when the step entrance darts entered service. The lynx’s got withdrawn in Late 2003 but same went to Stockton with others been turned into driver training buses. The Newcastle B10B replaced them. The service 1 didn’t get the Darts till Spring 2004 and it definitely the step entrance darts. One step entrance dart did come back in 2007 mainly doing the 5/7/7A/12 services but that went with the Volvos in 2008 when the Manviros entered service.
As for buses struggling on Tees Road, the only one's I've had bother with are the limp mode ADL's. The MAN's are absolutely fine. The only issue is there's 2 of them we can't turn the engine off at Middlesbrough Bus Station because the injectors are shot and they wont start again.
