Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
Stagecoach North East: Order Predictions
I've put together some average fleet ages for each depot in the North East (as attached). It isn't 100% accurate as it's based on year rather than month, and I've not included vehicles which are marked as forming part of the reserve fleet at that depot on our fleet lists.
I think this year's investment will take into consideration that Quality Contracts could come into fruition in Tyne & Wear, meaning that most (if not all?) of Stagecoach's routes will form part of the scheme. Whilst I would love to see more investment in the Busways division (namely Sunderland), I'm doubtful unfortunately.
As Stagecoach in Sunderland received investment two years in a row which drastically reduced the fleet age, I think Stockton will be this year's candidate again:
Stockton Depot
(22 Feb 2015, 3:30 pm)Dan I've put together some average fleet ages for each depot in the North East (as attached). It isn't 100% accurate as it's based on year rather than month, and I've not included vehicles which are marked as forming part of the reserve fleet at that depot on our fleet lists.
I think this year's investment will take into consideration that Quality Contracts could come into fruition in Tyne & Wear, meaning that most (if not all?) of Stagecoach's routes will form part of the scheme. Whilst I would love to see more investment in the Busways division (namely Sunderland), I'm doubtful unfortunately.
As Stagecoach in Sunderland received investment two years in a row which drastically reduced the fleet age, I think Stockton will be this year's candidate again:
Stockton Depot
This adds up to a total of 28 ADL Enviro300s, replacing all 28 MAN ALX300s at Stockton. 12x MAN ALX300 would be withdrawn directly (22196 - 22198, 22202/04/10/11, 22469/71/75 and 22671/74), while the remaining 16 would be spread across the fleet as follows:
- Services 10/11: 5x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 5
- Service 13: 6x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 5
- Services 14/34: 7x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 6
- Services 35/58: 4x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 4
- Services 59/61: 6x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 6
All non-DDA compliant MAN ALX300s would be withdrawn as a result.
- 22011/12 replace 22214/15 at Sunderland (Reserve).
- 22013/14 replace 22462 and 22735 at Walkergate (Reserve).
- 22015/16 replace 22480 and 22675 at Slatyford.
- 22017 replaces 22734 at South Shields (Reserve).
- 22018/19 replace 22455 and 22667 at Hartlepool (Reserve).
- 22020/61-66 replace 22206, 22451/52/54/56/66, 22668 and 22733
I do also think that Stagecoach ought to dispose of the Olympians/Tridents at Stockton too, as well as the Open Top Olympians on CitySightseeing duties. Perhaps something like the following:
Slatyford Depot
This would allow 16 ADL Enviro400s to be replaced: 8x ADL Enviro400s (19141-48) would replace all Olympians/Tridents, 1x ADL Enviro400 (19149) would act as an additional spare vehicle at South Shields for the X34, and 5x ADL Enviro400s (19150-54) would replace the Open Tops. Still two spare - but perhaps services 10/11 and X87/X88 could benefit from two extra spares, and this would allow two DDA-compliant MAN ALX300s to move around to replace something else in the fleet.
- Services 62/63: 16x ADL Enviro400(Hybrid?) - PVR 14
(22 Feb 2015, 3:30 pm)Dan I've put together some average fleet ages for each depot in the North East (as attached). It isn't 100% accurate as it's based on year rather than month, and I've not included vehicles which are marked as forming part of the reserve fleet at that depot on our fleet lists.
I think this year's investment will take into consideration that Quality Contracts could come into fruition in Tyne & Wear, meaning that most (if not all?) of Stagecoach's routes will form part of the scheme. Whilst I would love to see more investment in the Busways division (namely Sunderland), I'm doubtful unfortunately.
As Stagecoach in Sunderland received investment two years in a row which drastically reduced the fleet age, I think Stockton will be this year's candidate again:
Stockton Depot
This adds up to a total of 28 ADL Enviro300s, replacing all 28 MAN ALX300s at Stockton. 12x MAN ALX300 would be withdrawn directly (22196 - 22198, 22202/04/10/11, 22469/71/75 and 22671/74), while the remaining 16 would be spread across the fleet as follows:
- Services 10/11: 5x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 5
- Service 13: 6x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 5
- Services 14/34: 7x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 6
- Services 35/58: 4x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 4
- Services 59/61: 6x ADL Enviro300 - PVR 6
All non-DDA compliant MAN ALX300s would be withdrawn as a result.
- 22011/12 replace 22214/15 at Sunderland (Reserve).
- 22013/14 replace 22462 and 22735 at Walkergate (Reserve).
- 22015/16 replace 22480 and 22675 at Slatyford.
- 22017 replaces 22734 at South Shields (Reserve).
- 22018/19 replace 22455 and 22667 at Hartlepool (Reserve).
- 22020/61-66 replace 22206, 22451/52/54/56/66, 22668 and 22733
I do also think that Stagecoach ought to dispose of the Olympians/Tridents at Stockton too, as well as the Open Top Olympians on CitySightseeing duties. Perhaps something like the following:
Slatyford Depot
This would allow 16 ADL Enviro400s to be replaced: 8x ADL Enviro400s (19141-48) would replace all Olympians/Tridents, 1x ADL Enviro400 (19149) would act as an additional spare vehicle at South Shields for the X34, and 5x ADL Enviro400s (19150-54) would replace the Open Tops. Still two spare - but perhaps services 10/11 and X87/X88 could benefit from two extra spares, and this would allow two DDA-compliant MAN ALX300s to move around to replace something else in the fleet.
- Services 62/63: 16x ADL Enviro400(Hybrid?) - PVR 14
(22 Feb 2015, 3:38 pm)Kuyoyo I would say, that the 12/39 would be the most likely routes to receive investment before 10/11 14/34 58/35 59/61 and 13 in that order. More than likely, the following would happen at Stockton:
24101-15 would then be allocated to services 14/34 (6) and 10/11 (5) (while also being WiFi fitted) while 22061-6 would be retained for the 13 (5).
- Service 12/39: 17 ADL E300s (Presently PVR 12, minor changes result in PVR 13 + 4 spares)
- Service 58/35: 5 ADL E300s (PVR 4)
- Service 59/61: 7 ADL E300s (PVR 6)
(22 Feb 2015, 3:38 pm)Kuyoyo I would say, that the 12/39 would be the most likely routes to receive investment before 10/11 14/34 58/35 59/61 and 13 in that order. More than likely, the following would happen at Stockton:
24101-15 would then be allocated to services 14/34 (6) and 10/11 (5) (while also being WiFi fitted) while 22061-6 would be retained for the 13 (5).
- Service 12/39: 17 ADL E300s (Presently PVR 12, minor changes result in PVR 13 + 4 spares)
- Service 58/35: 5 ADL E300s (PVR 4)
- Service 59/61: 7 ADL E300s (PVR 6)
(22 Feb 2015, 3:42 pm)Dan Ah, our guesses are still fairly close with Stockton getting more-or-less 30 new buses to replace all the non-DDA ALX300s..!
(22 Feb 2015, 3:42 pm)Dan Ah, our guesses are still fairly close with Stockton getting more-or-less 30 new buses to replace all the non-DDA ALX300s..!
South Sheilds
17 ADL Enviro 400MMC ( standard spec with high back seats called lazzerini practico seats )
+3 to replace 19194/6/7 on X34 E300s replace MAN 18.220 03 reg batch at slatyford, 03 reg MANS to disposal or different region or reserve
19194/6/7 transfer to slatyford to replace 3 more MANs to provide more seating on various routes ( 10/11/63/62/X77/8/9/87/88 )
(07 Jun 2015, 5:22 pm)South Tyne Lad South Sheilds
17 ADL Enviro 400MMC ( standard spec with high back seats called lazzerini practico seats )
+3 to replace 19194/6/7 on X34 E300s replace MAN 18.220 03 reg batch at slatyford, 03 reg MANS to disposal or different region or reserve
19194/6/7 transfer to slatyford to replace 3 more MANs to provide more seating on various routes ( 10/11/63/62/X77/8/9/87/88 )
(07 Jun 2015, 5:22 pm)South Tyne Lad South Sheilds
17 ADL Enviro 400MMC ( standard spec with high back seats called lazzerini practico seats )
+3 to replace 19194/6/7 on X34 E300s replace MAN 18.220 03 reg batch at slatyford, 03 reg MANS to disposal or different region or reserve
19194/6/7 transfer to slatyford to replace 3 more MANs to provide more seating on various routes ( 10/11/63/62/X77/8/9/87/88 )
doubt it with the three enviro 300 for shields. this year will be the last year stagecoach order enviro 300s as ADL confirmed its going to move over to a all euro 6 lineup soon.
and the E300s are not going to be made in euro 6 so production will stop, so probably 22050/67/70 will stay at shields for possibly 1 or 2 more years the rest of it sounds good though.
Is 22017 Coming to South Shields to replace 22734 or is it a rumour. Regards Robin
(17 Jul 2015, 8:37 pm)Robinwtait.19 Is 22017 Coming to South Shields to replace 22734 or is it a rumour. Regards Robin
(17 Jul 2015, 8:37 pm)Robinwtait.19 Is 22017 Coming to South Shields to replace 22734 or is it a rumour. Regards Robin
Apparently a standard ADL E400MMC Hybrid (the replacement for the Euro 5 hybrid ADL E400s) will be entering the market soon, if it hasn't already. I think it would be a good idea for Walkergate to become a mostly hybrid operated depot - which would allow the eldest diesel E400s to replace 16834/6, 17025-8/32 and possibly 14669-71/73-4, as well as other non-DDA decker's around the country. It would be great if gas powered ADL E200 MMC's are produced as this would allow Sunderland depot to become a 100% gas-powered depot.
(14 Sep 2015, 8:01 pm)Kuyoyo 16834/6 and 17025-9/32 *might* not need replacing at Stockton come the end of this school year anyway
(14 Sep 2015, 8:07 pm)AIG20 I assume that is a hint that Stagecoach may not be renewing the contract for these scholars services - like they did with the SAFC P&R free shuttle services?
(14 Sep 2015, 8:07 pm)AIG20 I assume that is a hint that Stagecoach may not be renewing the contract for these scholars services - like they did with the SAFC P&R free shuttle services?
(17 Jul 2015, 8:49 pm)South Tyne Lad Though im not 100% sure I think if another MAN 18.220 was to come to Shields it would be a similar number to one based at Shields 22050/67/70 so it could be 22051 for example which if happens it will make its second appearance at Shields having been based there for a few months before moving back to Slatyford.
(17 Jul 2015, 8:49 pm)South Tyne Lad Though im not 100% sure I think if another MAN 18.220 was to come to Shields it would be a similar number to one based at Shields 22050/67/70 so it could be 22051 for example which if happens it will make its second appearance at Shields having been based there for a few months before moving back to Slatyford.
(01 Oct 2016, 8:39 pm)AIG20 2017 Order Suggestions:
ADL E400 MMCs for the E1/E2/E6 displacing ADL E300s 27723-40 to Slatyford - replacing more MAN ALX300s.
More Gas Buses for Sunderland. Will there be a ADL E200 (or equivalent size) gas bus created in the near future?
(01 Oct 2016, 8:39 pm)AIG20 2017 Order Suggestions:
ADL E400 MMCs for the E1/E2/E6 displacing ADL E300s 27723-40 to Slatyford - replacing more MAN ALX300s.
More Gas Buses for Sunderland. Will there be a ADL E200 (or equivalent size) gas bus created in the near future?
(01 Oct 2016, 8:39 pm)AIG20 2017 Order Suggestions:I do think it's time the Economics became double decker allocated permantly. I know that on Sundays the often use the "Get More, More, More with your X34" branded Tridents, however I feel the services would profit massively from double decker vehicles.
ADL E400 MMCs for the E1/E2/E6 displacing ADL E300s 27723-40 to Slatyford - replacing more MAN ALX300s.
More Gas Buses for Sunderland. Will there be a ADL E200 (or equivalent size) gas bus created in the near future?
(01 Oct 2016, 8:39 pm)AIG20 2017 Order Suggestions:I do think it's time the Economics became double decker allocated permantly. I know that on Sundays the often use the "Get More, More, More with your X34" branded Tridents, however I feel the services would profit massively from double decker vehicles.
ADL E400 MMCs for the E1/E2/E6 displacing ADL E300s 27723-40 to Slatyford - replacing more MAN ALX300s.
More Gas Buses for Sunderland. Will there be a ADL E200 (or equivalent size) gas bus created in the near future?
(01 Oct 2016, 8:39 pm)AIG20 2017 Order Suggestions:
ADL E400 MMCs for the E1/E2/E6 displacing ADL E300s 27723-40 to Slatyford - replacing more MAN ALX300s.
More Gas Buses for Sunderland. Will there be a ADL E200 (or equivalent size) gas bus created in the near future?
(01 Oct 2016, 8:39 pm)AIG20 2017 Order Suggestions:
ADL E400 MMCs for the E1/E2/E6 displacing ADL E300s 27723-40 to Slatyford - replacing more MAN ALX300s.
More Gas Buses for Sunderland. Will there be a ADL E200 (or equivalent size) gas bus created in the near future?