I agree with Davey that the X21/22 needs replacements for 7501-9, however I don't think that they should then go onto a service that has newer stock currently. I think the best bet for them would be to send them onto a service that currently has old stock, but is profitable (if such a route exists). Either way, most of them are shot and only any real use on a local town/city service, not an "express" route.
(11 Apr 2015, 4:40 pm)Dan Maybe it's just a lack of storage space at Jesmond..?
(11 Apr 2015, 4:40 pm)Dan Maybe it's just a lack of storage space at Jesmond..?
Is it possible that Ashington could be preparing the Enviro 400s for service to send them to Darlington/Belmont as it could be a case that Jesmond could be busy trying to get the StreetLite's ready for Darlington/Belmont.
(11 Apr 2015, 4:40 pm)mb134 I agree with Davey that the X21/22 needs replacements for 7501-9, however I don't think that they should then go onto a service that has newer stock currently. I think the best bet for them would be to send them onto a service that currently has old stock, but is profitable (if such a route exists). Either way, most of them are shot and only any real use on a local town/city service, not an "express" route.
(11 Apr 2015, 4:40 pm)mb134 I agree with Davey that the X21/22 needs replacements for 7501-9, however I don't think that they should then go onto a service that has newer stock currently. I think the best bet for them would be to send them onto a service that currently has old stock, but is profitable (if such a route exists). Either way, most of them are shot and only any real use on a local town/city service, not an "express" route.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:18 pm)danpick 1595 should now be at Darlington as I passed it on Durham Road.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:18 pm)danpick 1595 should now be at Darlington as I passed it on Durham Road.
(11 Apr 2015, 4:22 pm)Jimmi Anyone know the height of the 57 reg Enviro 400's as I don't think they'd fit under Priestgate in Darlington, also do you think it's fair for the passengers on the 7 to get these old sheds in place of modern stock especially with the awful piles of garbage that came before the Pulsars. Also the Enviro 400's are no longer going on the 6 and will now be allocated to service 24 which runs on a half hourly frequency so the passenger numbers would sharp drop if those old heaps end up breaking down on there all the time.
I know the 57 reg heaps are terrible but it seems like they will be used on the X21/X22 for the foreseeable future much to your dismay.
(11 Apr 2015, 4:22 pm)Jimmi Anyone know the height of the 57 reg Enviro 400's as I don't think they'd fit under Priestgate in Darlington, also do you think it's fair for the passengers on the 7 to get these old sheds in place of modern stock especially with the awful piles of garbage that came before the Pulsars. Also the Enviro 400's are no longer going on the 6 and will now be allocated to service 24 which runs on a half hourly frequency so the passenger numbers would sharp drop if those old heaps end up breaking down on there all the time.
I know the 57 reg heaps are terrible but it seems like they will be used on the X21/X22 for the foreseeable future much to your dismay.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:41 pm)Kuyoyo Also, why would Arriva pay however many millions on these 5 E400s for the 7 and 2 for the 24 (now) and instead give them to Ashington, who's present standing in the North East Sapphire table I understand is terrible?
There's also the fact that since last year, Thorntons have branded all new Sapphire vehicles might explain why 7536/40 are at Ashington.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:41 pm)Kuyoyo Also, why would Arriva pay however many millions on these 5 E400s for the 7 and 2 for the 24 (now) and instead give them to Ashington, who's present standing in the North East Sapphire table I understand is terrible?
There's also the fact that since last year, Thorntons have branded all new Sapphire vehicles might explain why 7536/40 are at Ashington.
Seems that drivers of the X93 still haven't got used to the split route. I saw two consecutive services (Temsa and B7) between Whitby and Scarborough with 'Guisborough' on the destination. According to the B7, it wasnt even supposed to be going to Scarborough as it had Guisborough for Whitby Only on the display.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:41 pm)Kuyoyo They are 14ft 6ins, which I doubt would be considered by Arriva an ideal allocation for the 7.
Also, why would Arriva pay however many millions on these 5 E400s for the 7 and 2 for the 24 (now) and instead give them to Ashington, who's present standing in the North East Sapphire table I understand is terrible?
There's also the fact that since last year, Thorntons have branded all new Sapphire vehicles might explain why 7536/40 are at Ashington.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:41 pm)Kuyoyo They are 14ft 6ins, which I doubt would be considered by Arriva an ideal allocation for the 7.
Also, why would Arriva pay however many millions on these 5 E400s for the 7 and 2 for the 24 (now) and instead give them to Ashington, who's present standing in the North East Sapphire table I understand is terrible?
There's also the fact that since last year, Thorntons have branded all new Sapphire vehicles might explain why 7536/40 are at Ashington.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:41 pm)Kuyoyo They are 14ft 6ins, which I doubt would be considered by Arriva an ideal allocation for the 7.Maybe to do with the vehicles, and the reliability??
Also, why would Arriva pay however many millions on these 5 E400s for the 7 and 2 for the 24 (now) and instead give them to Ashington, who's present standing in the North East Sapphire table I understand is terrible?
There's also the fact that since last year, Thorntons have branded all new Sapphire vehicles might explain why 7536/40 are at Ashington.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:41 pm)Kuyoyo They are 14ft 6ins, which I doubt would be considered by Arriva an ideal allocation for the 7.Maybe to do with the vehicles, and the reliability??
Also, why would Arriva pay however many millions on these 5 E400s for the 7 and 2 for the 24 (now) and instead give them to Ashington, who's present standing in the North East Sapphire table I understand is terrible?
There's also the fact that since last year, Thorntons have branded all new Sapphire vehicles might explain why 7536/40 are at Ashington.
(11 Apr 2015, 5:58 pm)mb134 Maybe to do with the vehicles, and the reliability??
(11 Apr 2015, 5:58 pm)mb134 Maybe to do with the vehicles, and the reliability??
(11 Apr 2015, 6:10 pm)DaveyBowyer Well Arriva need to sort it out ASAP. Fair enough, it's not the fact that they're old vehicles or even ADL E400s for that matter, it's the fact that they've been hammered on very demanding routes (501/505/518/X93/93) bar their intended stints on the 308 and X31/X32/X33. Can see a double deck version scenario of what GNE suffered with the Omnicities on the Angel where until a new order is placed to replace 7501-7509, they might be in a scenario where they'll have to allocate a load of cascaded ex London Deckers if any are available and that would be a disaster.I agree, I think the only vehicle that could do what 7501-9 have done, and be able to cope without issue on the X21/22 would be an Olympian. Having said that, 7511/2/3 are okay, not brilliant, but better than 7501-9, and out of 7501-9 the only one I can say is still suitable would probably be 7507.
The only routes that I could see them vehicles appearing on after the X21 / X22 would be the 43/44/45 or if a capacity increase was needed, 35/35A.
(11 Apr 2015, 6:10 pm)DaveyBowyer Well Arriva need to sort it out ASAP. Fair enough, it's not the fact that they're old vehicles or even ADL E400s for that matter, it's the fact that they've been hammered on very demanding routes (501/505/518/X93/93) bar their intended stints on the 308 and X31/X32/X33. Can see a double deck version scenario of what GNE suffered with the Omnicities on the Angel where until a new order is placed to replace 7501-7509, they might be in a scenario where they'll have to allocate a load of cascaded ex London Deckers if any are available and that would be a disaster.I agree, I think the only vehicle that could do what 7501-9 have done, and be able to cope without issue on the X21/22 would be an Olympian. Having said that, 7511/2/3 are okay, not brilliant, but better than 7501-9, and out of 7501-9 the only one I can say is still suitable would probably be 7507.
The only routes that I could see them vehicles appearing on after the X21 / X22 would be the 43/44/45 or if a capacity increase was needed, 35/35A.
(11 Apr 2015, 6:26 pm)mb134 I agree, I think the only vehicle that could do what 7501-9 have done, and be able to cope without issue on the X21/22 would be an Olympian. Having said that, 7511/2/3 are okay, not brilliant, but better than 7501-9, and out of 7501-9 the only one I can say is still suitable would probably be 7507.
I wonder if Arriva regret refurbishing those to Sapphire instead of 7514-21, which I still believe are better vehicles.
I also want to make clear, that I'm not against Enviro 400's, quite the opposite, last week I sampled some of Blyth's VDL Gemini's and I'd take an Enviro over one of those any day, they were gutless
(11 Apr 2015, 6:26 pm)mb134 I agree, I think the only vehicle that could do what 7501-9 have done, and be able to cope without issue on the X21/22 would be an Olympian. Having said that, 7511/2/3 are okay, not brilliant, but better than 7501-9, and out of 7501-9 the only one I can say is still suitable would probably be 7507.
I wonder if Arriva regret refurbishing those to Sapphire instead of 7514-21, which I still believe are better vehicles.
I also want to make clear, that I'm not against Enviro 400's, quite the opposite, last week I sampled some of Blyth's VDL Gemini's and I'd take an Enviro over one of those any day, they were gutless
Just a thought I had the other day, but I really don't know Arriva would implement it, as the service has recently been launched as MAX:
As the X18 is quite a rural route, would it be beneficial to fit the vehicles used with Next Stop Announcements, especially as it will be used by tourists in the summer, who may be unsure of the area, and it will remove the need to ask the driver. Additionally, I feel it would benefit from sockets, especially on a Sunday where if people want to get from Berwick to Newcastle, it is the only option.
What do people think? I don't know how they'd do it without branding it as Sapphire??
I also think that the X93 should have NSA's, as that is a similarly rural and touristy route from what I gather?
(11 Apr 2015, 7:03 pm)Tommy_1581 IMO, Sapphire should be a luxury, not having sh***y 57-reg E400 refurbished. Should be NEW buses, which the features should be standardised, unlike another brand (MAX).
MAX should be REFURBISHED buses, and specifically target the route, not the luxuries.
Coast and Castles should have been Sapphire but under the Coast and Castles brand. Just having "Explore Coast and Castles" on the side doesn't do it for me. X15/X18 should have new vehicles. Maybe the 14 too.
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(11 Apr 2015, 7:03 pm)Tommy_1581 IMO, Sapphire should be a luxury, not having sh***y 57-reg E400 refurbished. Should be NEW buses, which the features should be standardised, unlike another brand (MAX).
MAX should be REFURBISHED buses, and specifically target the route, not the luxuries.
Coast and Castles should have been Sapphire but under the Coast and Castles brand. Just having "Explore Coast and Castles" on the side doesn't do it for me. X15/X18 should have new vehicles. Maybe the 14 too.
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(11 Apr 2015, 7:42 pm)mb134 Just a thought I had the other day, but I really don't know Arriva would implement it, as the service has recently been launched as MAX:
As the X18 is quite a rural route, would it be beneficial to fit the vehicles used with Next Stop Announcements, especially as it will be used by tourists in the summer, who may be unsure of the area, and it will remove the need to ask the driver. Additionally, I feel it would benefit from sockets, especially on a Sunday where if people want to get from Berwick to Newcastle, it is the only option.
What do people think? I don't know how they'd do it without branding it as Sapphire??
I also think that the X93 should have NSA's, as that is a similarly rural and touristy route from what I gather?
(11 Apr 2015, 7:42 pm)mb134 Just a thought I had the other day, but I really don't know Arriva would implement it, as the service has recently been launched as MAX:
As the X18 is quite a rural route, would it be beneficial to fit the vehicles used with Next Stop Announcements, especially as it will be used by tourists in the summer, who may be unsure of the area, and it will remove the need to ask the driver. Additionally, I feel it would benefit from sockets, especially on a Sunday where if people want to get from Berwick to Newcastle, it is the only option.
What do people think? I don't know how they'd do it without branding it as Sapphire??
I also think that the X93 should have NSA's, as that is a similarly rural and touristy route from what I gather?
(11 Apr 2015, 7:42 pm)mb134 Just a thought I had the other day, but I really don't know Arriva would implement it, as the service has recently been launched as MAX:
As the X18 is quite a rural route, would it be beneficial to fit the vehicles used with Next Stop Announcements, especially as it will be used by tourists in the summer, who may be unsure of the area, and it will remove the need to ask the driver. Additionally, I feel it would benefit from sockets, especially on a Sunday where if people want to get from Berwick to Newcastle, it is the only option.
What do people think? I don't know how they'd do it without branding it as Sapphire??
I also think that the X93 should have NSA's, as that is a similarly rural and touristy route from what I gather?
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(11 Apr 2015, 7:42 pm)mb134 Just a thought I had the other day, but I really don't know Arriva would implement it, as the service has recently been launched as MAX:
As the X18 is quite a rural route, would it be beneficial to fit the vehicles used with Next Stop Announcements, especially as it will be used by tourists in the summer, who may be unsure of the area, and it will remove the need to ask the driver. Additionally, I feel it would benefit from sockets, especially on a Sunday where if people want to get from Berwick to Newcastle, it is the only option.
What do people think? I don't know how they'd do it without branding it as Sapphire??
I also think that the X93 should have NSA's, as that is a similarly rural and touristy route from what I gather?
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(11 Apr 2015, 7:44 pm)Kuyoyo X93 is rumoured to be getting NSA in the near future
(11 Apr 2015, 7:44 pm)Kuyoyo X93 is rumoured to be getting NSA in the near future
