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Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2015

 
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24 Nov 2015, 9:07 pm #101
Thank you Adrian for that reply. Goodnight
Robin Tait
24 Nov 2015, 9:07 pm #101

Thank you Adrian for that reply. Goodnight

Cock Robin



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25 Nov 2015, 10:00 am #102
(24 Nov 2015, 6:05 pm)R852 PRG What's the deal with 34401 and you? Did you once engage in an intimate relationship with the vehicle?

Smile Tongue Smile
Cock Robin
25 Nov 2015, 10:00 am #102

(24 Nov 2015, 6:05 pm)R852 PRG What's the deal with 34401 and you? Did you once engage in an intimate relationship with the vehicle?

Smile Tongue Smile

Cock Robin



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25 Nov 2015, 10:02 am #103
(24 Nov 2015, 7:30 pm)Dan Aye, like most other passengers..! I'd take a brand new bus with Wi-Fi and power sockets over an ancient bus without these features any day of the week.

I wouldn't.
Cock Robin
25 Nov 2015, 10:02 am #103

(24 Nov 2015, 7:30 pm)Dan Aye, like most other passengers..! I'd take a brand new bus with Wi-Fi and power sockets over an ancient bus without these features any day of the week.

I wouldn't.

Cock Robin



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25 Nov 2015, 10:04 am #104
(24 Nov 2015, 8:17 pm)Robin Tait So mrnut85 what are they going to do with 34401 if they are not scraping it or using it on service.

Give me strength! How many times does he have to be told?!!

It may well get scraped while its sat there!
Edited 25 Nov 2015, 10:06 am by Cock Robin.
Cock Robin
25 Nov 2015, 10:04 am #104

(24 Nov 2015, 8:17 pm)Robin Tait So mrnut85 what are they going to do with 34401 if they are not scraping it or using it on service.

Give me strength! How many times does he have to be told?!!

It may well get scraped while its sat there!

mrnut85



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25 Nov 2015, 1:14 pm #105
(24 Nov 2015, 8:17 pm)Robin Tait So mrnut85 what are they going to do with 34401 if they are not scraping it or using it on service.
Like I have said several times, it is at South Shields for dry storage.
mrnut85
25 Nov 2015, 1:14 pm #105

(24 Nov 2015, 8:17 pm)Robin Tait So mrnut85 what are they going to do with 34401 if they are not scraping it or using it on service.
Like I have said several times, it is at South Shields for dry storage.

26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm #106
A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.
R852 PRG
26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm #106

A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.

26 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm #107
(26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.

All the UK Bus operations have the same standard fleet number so there's probably most of 220xx-226xx across the UK. I think Stagecoach put these vehicles into random numbers before having the "by delivery date" policy of fleet numbers. Kuyoyo or someone like that will be able to explain further I think.
Edited 26 Nov 2015, 5:14 pm by omnicity4659.
omnicity4659
26 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm #107

(26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.

All the UK Bus operations have the same standard fleet number so there's probably most of 220xx-226xx across the UK. I think Stagecoach put these vehicles into random numbers before having the "by delivery date" policy of fleet numbers. Kuyoyo or someone like that will be able to explain further I think.

26 Nov 2015, 6:02 pm #108
(26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.

When Stagecoach UK Bus introduced the 5 Digit Fleet Numbering system in 2003 the 22 was simply used as a type identifier, so for example 22 is used for the MAN/ALX300s. When the system was introduced where possible the 22 prefix was where possible used in front in the existing Fleet Number with the existing operator, so far example pre 2003 Busways had MAN/ALX300s 451 - 495 so were simply renumbered 22451-22495, so that the Fleet Number would still match/resemble the Registration Number, Teesside has 656-675 so these were re-numbered 22656-22675, once numbers where matched with existing fleet numbers in who evers fleet it was any unused numbers where then just added to fill wherever the gaps where.

Much of the Manchester Fleet started at S101TRJ etc. then into the MVM's & TND's so were simply numbered 22101 or 22203 etc. This made it easier than completely renumbering existing fleets in a way that bared no resemblance to their original number, so example 22209 (T209 TND) in Manchester could suddenly have become 22296 simply because it was the 296th MAN/ALX 300 in the Fleet.

Where possible big blocks of Fleet numbers were simply given the 22 prefix, but where Fleet numbers were duplicated or in smaller batches a random number would be chosen to fit in with the 22 scheme.

An example of this happening is that Teesside had a batch of Volvo B10Ms numbered 643-652 (M543-M552SPY), so in normal circumstances would have been simply numbered 20543-20552, however as there was also a larger batch of numbers in the P5xxESA series these vehicles were given priority becoming 20551 for example, whilst the Teesside ones where numbered 20243-20252 as 243-252 were NOT being used elsewhere.

This is why later vehicles carry earlier numbers i.e 22011 etc. as they were unused numbers that where available when the numbering scheme was introduced in 2003.
Edited 26 Nov 2015, 6:05 pm by Peppermint Pete.
Peppermint Pete
26 Nov 2015, 6:02 pm #108

(26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.

When Stagecoach UK Bus introduced the 5 Digit Fleet Numbering system in 2003 the 22 was simply used as a type identifier, so for example 22 is used for the MAN/ALX300s. When the system was introduced where possible the 22 prefix was where possible used in front in the existing Fleet Number with the existing operator, so far example pre 2003 Busways had MAN/ALX300s 451 - 495 so were simply renumbered 22451-22495, so that the Fleet Number would still match/resemble the Registration Number, Teesside has 656-675 so these were re-numbered 22656-22675, once numbers where matched with existing fleet numbers in who evers fleet it was any unused numbers where then just added to fill wherever the gaps where.

Much of the Manchester Fleet started at S101TRJ etc. then into the MVM's & TND's so were simply numbered 22101 or 22203 etc. This made it easier than completely renumbering existing fleets in a way that bared no resemblance to their original number, so example 22209 (T209 TND) in Manchester could suddenly have become 22296 simply because it was the 296th MAN/ALX 300 in the Fleet.

Where possible big blocks of Fleet numbers were simply given the 22 prefix, but where Fleet numbers were duplicated or in smaller batches a random number would be chosen to fit in with the 22 scheme.

An example of this happening is that Teesside had a batch of Volvo B10Ms numbered 643-652 (M543-M552SPY), so in normal circumstances would have been simply numbered 20543-20552, however as there was also a larger batch of numbers in the P5xxESA series these vehicles were given priority becoming 20551 for example, whilst the Teesside ones where numbered 20243-20252 as 243-252 were NOT being used elsewhere.

This is why later vehicles carry earlier numbers i.e 22011 etc. as they were unused numbers that where available when the numbering scheme was introduced in 2003.

26 Nov 2015, 6:04 pm #109
(26 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm)GX03 SVC All the UK Bus operations have the same standard fleet number so there's probably most of 220xx-226xx across the UK. I think Stagecoach put these vehicles into random numbers before having the "by delivery date" policy of fleet numbers. Kuyoyo or someone like that will be able to explain further I think.

It's a result of when the national fleetnumbering came in to being (2003) - prior to that, all vehicles were numbered in local systems (one for Busways, one for Transit etc).

So vehicles delivered prior to 2003 were retrofitted into the national numbering system when it came into being.  As has already been said the two digit prefix is determined by vehicle type (22 in this case); where possible the last three digits were matched to the three digits in the old style registrations e.g. T495BNL became 22495, V675DDC became 22675.  There are exceptions where two batches shared the same digits, in which case the larger batch got the matching numbers, with the other batch fitted into the system elsewhere.

Vehicles delivered from 2003 onwards were allocated the lowest available series of fleetnumbers - hence the earliest deliveries in 2003 being numbered 22011 onwards, the 2005 vehicles being numbered in the 2234x series, 2006 arrivals being 224xx etc.
stagecoachbusdepot
26 Nov 2015, 6:04 pm #109

(26 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm)GX03 SVC All the UK Bus operations have the same standard fleet number so there's probably most of 220xx-226xx across the UK. I think Stagecoach put these vehicles into random numbers before having the "by delivery date" policy of fleet numbers. Kuyoyo or someone like that will be able to explain further I think.

It's a result of when the national fleetnumbering came in to being (2003) - prior to that, all vehicles were numbered in local systems (one for Busways, one for Transit etc).

So vehicles delivered prior to 2003 were retrofitted into the national numbering system when it came into being.  As has already been said the two digit prefix is determined by vehicle type (22 in this case); where possible the last three digits were matched to the three digits in the old style registrations e.g. T495BNL became 22495, V675DDC became 22675.  There are exceptions where two batches shared the same digits, in which case the larger batch got the matching numbers, with the other batch fitted into the system elsewhere.

Vehicles delivered from 2003 onwards were allocated the lowest available series of fleetnumbers - hence the earliest deliveries in 2003 being numbered 22011 onwards, the 2005 vehicles being numbered in the 2234x series, 2006 arrivals being 224xx etc.

26 Nov 2015, 6:10 pm #110
(26 Nov 2015, 6:02 pm)Peppermint Pete When Stagecoach UK Bus introduced the 5 Digit Fleet Numbering system in 2003 the 22 was simply used as a type identifier, so for example 22 is used for the MAN/ALX300s. When the system was introduced where possible the 22 prefix was where possible used in front in the existing Fleet Number with the existing operator, so far example pre 2003 Busways had MAN/ALX300s 451 - 495 so were simply renumbered 22451-22495, so that the Fleet Number would still match/resemble the Registration Number, Teesside has 656-675 so these were re-numbered 22656-22675, once numbers where matched with existing fleet numbers in who evers fleet it was any unused numbers where then just added to fill wherever the gaps where.

Much of the Manchester Fleet started at S101TRJ etc. then into the MVM's & TND's so were simply numbered 22101 or 22203 etc. This made it easier than completely renumbering existing fleets in a way that bared no resemblance to their original number, so example 22209 (T209 TND) in Manchester could suddenly have become 22296 simply because it was the 296th MAN/ALX 300 in the Fleet.

Where possible big blocks of Fleet numbers were simply given the 22 prefix, but where Fleet numbers were duplicated or in smaller batches a random number would be chosen to fit in with the 22 scheme.

An example of this happening is that Teesside had a batch of Volvo B10Ms numbered 643-652 (M543-M552SPY), so in normal circumstances would have been simply numbered 20543-20552, however as there was also a larger batch of numbers in the P5xxESA series these vehicles were given priority becoming 20551 for example, whilst the Teesside ones where numbered 20243-20252 as 243-252 were NOT being used elsewhere.

This is why later vehicles carry earlier numbers i.e 22011 etc. as they were unused numbers that where available when the numbering scheme was introduced in 2003.

Thanks for your reply, this is all very informative. The numbering system makes more sense now. Appears to be a case of transferring existing numbers over to a new system and then filling the gaps with any additions to the fleet.
R852 PRG
26 Nov 2015, 6:10 pm #110

(26 Nov 2015, 6:02 pm)Peppermint Pete When Stagecoach UK Bus introduced the 5 Digit Fleet Numbering system in 2003 the 22 was simply used as a type identifier, so for example 22 is used for the MAN/ALX300s. When the system was introduced where possible the 22 prefix was where possible used in front in the existing Fleet Number with the existing operator, so far example pre 2003 Busways had MAN/ALX300s 451 - 495 so were simply renumbered 22451-22495, so that the Fleet Number would still match/resemble the Registration Number, Teesside has 656-675 so these were re-numbered 22656-22675, once numbers where matched with existing fleet numbers in who evers fleet it was any unused numbers where then just added to fill wherever the gaps where.

Much of the Manchester Fleet started at S101TRJ etc. then into the MVM's & TND's so were simply numbered 22101 or 22203 etc. This made it easier than completely renumbering existing fleets in a way that bared no resemblance to their original number, so example 22209 (T209 TND) in Manchester could suddenly have become 22296 simply because it was the 296th MAN/ALX 300 in the Fleet.

Where possible big blocks of Fleet numbers were simply given the 22 prefix, but where Fleet numbers were duplicated or in smaller batches a random number would be chosen to fit in with the 22 scheme.

An example of this happening is that Teesside had a batch of Volvo B10Ms numbered 643-652 (M543-M552SPY), so in normal circumstances would have been simply numbered 20543-20552, however as there was also a larger batch of numbers in the P5xxESA series these vehicles were given priority becoming 20551 for example, whilst the Teesside ones where numbered 20243-20252 as 243-252 were NOT being used elsewhere.

This is why later vehicles carry earlier numbers i.e 22011 etc. as they were unused numbers that where available when the numbering scheme was introduced in 2003.

Thanks for your reply, this is all very informative. The numbering system makes more sense now. Appears to be a case of transferring existing numbers over to a new system and then filling the gaps with any additions to the fleet.

DanPicken

Banned

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26 Nov 2015, 6:39 pm #111
(26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.

The Olympians are the same as above, 14669-73 were originally 669-73 as shown on reg plates and the prefix given was 14 similar to 22xxx for ALX300. The ex-Hull were given 170xx as opposed to 178xx, the driver trainers all fit into this old number thing and the ALX200's became 33101etc instead of 31101etc.
DanPicken
26 Nov 2015, 6:39 pm #111

(26 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG A question of general interest - what is the logic behind the numbering of the ALX300s? I'm interested in those buses in particular as I quite like them. Why is it that 03/53-registered examples are numbered 220xx as an example, whereas T-reg and other pre-2000 examples are 222xx and 226xx. Also; some of the 223xx and 224xx batch are as new as 2005 and 2006. Anybody able to explain it to me? Nothing appears to be in order, in terms of age and the registrations of the vehicles.

The Olympians are the same as above, 14669-73 were originally 669-73 as shown on reg plates and the prefix given was 14 similar to 22xxx for ALX300. The ex-Hull were given 170xx as opposed to 178xx, the driver trainers all fit into this old number thing and the ALX200's became 33101etc instead of 31101etc.

26 Nov 2015, 7:14 pm #112
(26 Nov 2015, 6:10 pm)R852 PRG Thanks for your reply, this is all very informative. The numbering system makes more sense now. Appears to be a case of transferring existing numbers over to a new system and then filling the gaps with any additions to the fleet.

Put simply yes that is exactly how it was done Busways had a batch of 40 Volvo Olympians numbered 701-740 & the Volvo Olympian Prefix was 16, so 701-740 became 16701-16740 etc. 

The re-numbering scheme was done at National Level & was NOT done by individual Depots. The idea being that once allocated the vehicle would retain that same Fleet Number for its entire life making it easier to trace should it be moved elsewhere in the Country.

In years gone by if say a Volvo Olympian was allocated Fleet Number 938 in a Scottish Fleet & was transferred to Busways, it would have perhaps been numbered 741 following from how the Olympians were numbered in that specific fleet, whereas the current scheme means its moved but retains that same Fleet Number.
Peppermint Pete
26 Nov 2015, 7:14 pm #112

(26 Nov 2015, 6:10 pm)R852 PRG Thanks for your reply, this is all very informative. The numbering system makes more sense now. Appears to be a case of transferring existing numbers over to a new system and then filling the gaps with any additions to the fleet.

Put simply yes that is exactly how it was done Busways had a batch of 40 Volvo Olympians numbered 701-740 & the Volvo Olympian Prefix was 16, so 701-740 became 16701-16740 etc. 

The re-numbering scheme was done at National Level & was NOT done by individual Depots. The idea being that once allocated the vehicle would retain that same Fleet Number for its entire life making it easier to trace should it be moved elsewhere in the Country.

In years gone by if say a Volvo Olympian was allocated Fleet Number 938 in a Scottish Fleet & was transferred to Busways, it would have perhaps been numbered 741 following from how the Olympians were numbered in that specific fleet, whereas the current scheme means its moved but retains that same Fleet Number.

26 Nov 2015, 7:30 pm #113
(26 Nov 2015, 6:10 pm)R852 PRG Thanks for your reply, this is all very informative. The numbering system makes more sense now. Appears to be a case of transferring existing numbers over to a new system and then filling the gaps with any additions to the fleet.

The National Re-numbering scheme Document from January 2003 is attached
Attached Files
Peppermint Pete
26 Nov 2015, 7:30 pm #113

(26 Nov 2015, 6:10 pm)R852 PRG Thanks for your reply, this is all very informative. The numbering system makes more sense now. Appears to be a case of transferring existing numbers over to a new system and then filling the gaps with any additions to the fleet.

The National Re-numbering scheme Document from January 2003 is attached

Attached Files

Michael



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27 Nov 2015, 10:28 am #114
Sunderland depot wins a top national award

A Sunderland bus depot has won national acclaim as it drives forward plans to improve further.

The Stagecoach North East site at the Wheatsheaf won Gold in the Top National Bus Depot contest.

http://www.sun-fm.com/news/local/1805802...nal-award/

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
27 Nov 2015, 10:28 am #114

Sunderland depot wins a top national award

A Sunderland bus depot has won national acclaim as it drives forward plans to improve further.

The Stagecoach North East site at the Wheatsheaf won Gold in the Top National Bus Depot contest.

http://www.sun-fm.com/news/local/1805802...nal-award/


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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