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Dan

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28 Jun 2021, 9:17 am #1,861
(28 Jun 2021, 8:23 am)Micheal Aaron Green ADL Enviro 200 on the MS. L&B covering for GCT still on the Nightingale

Edit: Two L&B ADL Enviro 200 running the MS & SNS

Make that three!

In lieu of Go North East taking on the additional Gateshead Central Taxis contracts for Nexus, the SNS has been revised to be reduced in frequency and interwork with the MetroShuttle formerly operated by Go North East (same resource from L&B Travel's perspective).
Dan
28 Jun 2021, 9:17 am #1,861

(28 Jun 2021, 8:23 am)Micheal Aaron Green ADL Enviro 200 on the MS. L&B covering for GCT still on the Nightingale

Edit: Two L&B ADL Enviro 200 running the MS & SNS

Make that three!

In lieu of Go North East taking on the additional Gateshead Central Taxis contracts for Nexus, the SNS has been revised to be reduced in frequency and interwork with the MetroShuttle formerly operated by Go North East (same resource from L&B Travel's perspective).

28 Jun 2021, 9:31 am #1,862
So 3 buses on them. Thought it would have been two
Micheal Aaron
28 Jun 2021, 9:31 am #1,862

So 3 buses on them. Thought it would have been two

Andreos1



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28 Jun 2021, 10:44 am #1,863
(27 Jun 2021, 11:16 am)Big O Not sure why so many people are against the big boys running subsidised contracts? Not interested in the politics to be honest but I’d rather GNE then GCT or any of the big boys for that matter. The 335 is a decently used route and I think maybe extending it to Kilingworth via the K2 could be a good shout.

Because they're big enough to survive without them?
Because they're running subsidised services and in the not too distant past, suddenly realised it was viable after Nexus awarded it to someone else?
Or because they rely on Nexus to dig them out of a whole when a commercial decision negatively aftects passengers?

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
28 Jun 2021, 10:44 am #1,863

(27 Jun 2021, 11:16 am)Big O Not sure why so many people are against the big boys running subsidised contracts? Not interested in the politics to be honest but I’d rather GNE then GCT or any of the big boys for that matter. The 335 is a decently used route and I think maybe extending it to Kilingworth via the K2 could be a good shout.

Because they're big enough to survive without them?
Because they're running subsidised services and in the not too distant past, suddenly realised it was viable after Nexus awarded it to someone else?
Or because they rely on Nexus to dig them out of a whole when a commercial decision negatively aftects passengers?


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Adrian



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28 Jun 2021, 11:38 am #1,864
(28 Jun 2021, 10:44 am)Andreos1 Because they're big enough to survive without them?
Because they're running subsidised services and in the not too distant past, suddenly realised it was viable after Nexus awarded it to someone else?
Or because they rely on Nexus to dig them out of a whole when a commercial decision negatively aftects passengers?

The one works both ways, as we've seen last week. I wonder what would have happened with all these contracts that GCT are no longer operating, if the big three operators all refused to take on the work (given that they may or may not have been rejected in the Tender exercise already)

I largely agree with your comments about services that have suddenly become commercially viable. I think you've mentioned the 97, but I remember Go North East were awarded the 22/24 in Durham, before Arriva decided it was commercially viable after all.

But the tendering process that Nexus uses is hugely problematic and does not provide good value imo. It's also overcomplicated from what it needs to be. A better system would be a pot of funding that operators can bid for, if they'd like to continue to run a commercial service into hours where they feel its commercially viable. That would have to be supported by a business case, financials and passenger data. The PTE/LTA can then decide if the service is socially necessary and support it, without any disruption to customers.

The tender process creates a race to the bottom for a start, forcing operators to drive down conditions to remain 'competitive', it provides no continuity of service (ticket acceptance for example) and we see completely different operating standards; missing NSAs on the Washington locals and the impact on those that need them was spoken about on this forum previously. I'm also not a fan of seeing operators more than happy to take secured work on, but take no commercial risk in improving the bus network we have. 

Hopefully Enhanced Partnerships will change this, but we'll see what the consultation period and proposals bring...

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Adrian
28 Jun 2021, 11:38 am #1,864

(28 Jun 2021, 10:44 am)Andreos1 Because they're big enough to survive without them?
Because they're running subsidised services and in the not too distant past, suddenly realised it was viable after Nexus awarded it to someone else?
Or because they rely on Nexus to dig them out of a whole when a commercial decision negatively aftects passengers?

The one works both ways, as we've seen last week. I wonder what would have happened with all these contracts that GCT are no longer operating, if the big three operators all refused to take on the work (given that they may or may not have been rejected in the Tender exercise already)

I largely agree with your comments about services that have suddenly become commercially viable. I think you've mentioned the 97, but I remember Go North East were awarded the 22/24 in Durham, before Arriva decided it was commercially viable after all.

But the tendering process that Nexus uses is hugely problematic and does not provide good value imo. It's also overcomplicated from what it needs to be. A better system would be a pot of funding that operators can bid for, if they'd like to continue to run a commercial service into hours where they feel its commercially viable. That would have to be supported by a business case, financials and passenger data. The PTE/LTA can then decide if the service is socially necessary and support it, without any disruption to customers.

The tender process creates a race to the bottom for a start, forcing operators to drive down conditions to remain 'competitive', it provides no continuity of service (ticket acceptance for example) and we see completely different operating standards; missing NSAs on the Washington locals and the impact on those that need them was spoken about on this forum previously. I'm also not a fan of seeing operators more than happy to take secured work on, but take no commercial risk in improving the bus network we have. 

Hopefully Enhanced Partnerships will change this, but we'll see what the consultation period and proposals bring...


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Andreos1



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28 Jun 2021, 12:28 pm #1,865
(28 Jun 2021, 11:38 am)Adrian The one works both ways, as we've seen last week. I wonder what would have happened with all these contracts that GCT are no longer operating, if the big three operators all refused to take on the work (given that they may or may not have been rejected in the Tender exercise already)

I largely agree with your comments about services that have suddenly become commercially viable. I think you've mentioned the 97, but I remember Go North East were awarded the 22/24 in Durham, before Arriva decided it was commercially viable after all.

But the tendering process that Nexus uses is hugely problematic and does not provide good value imo. It's also overcomplicated from what it needs to be. A better system would be a pot of funding that operators can bid for, if they'd like to continue to run a commercial service into hours where they feel its commercially viable. That would have to be supported by a business case, financials and passenger data. The PTE/LTA can then decide if the service is socially necessary and support it, without any disruption to customers.

The tender process creates a race to the bottom for a start, forcing operators to drive down conditions to remain 'competitive', it provides no continuity of service (ticket acceptance for example) and we see completely different operating standards; missing NSAs on the Washington locals and the impact on those that need them was spoken about on this forum previously. I'm also not a fan of seeing operators more than happy to take secured work on, but take no commercial risk in improving the bus network we have. 

Hopefully Enhanced Partnerships will change this, but we'll see what the consultation period and proposals bring...

I agree that it works both ways, but it could be also be argued that we may not see this GCT situation, if the bigger boys had decided to play out on a night.

As for the independents having their own commercial work.
We all know what happens when any of the big boys get annoyed. Particularly if it's one of the young upstarts who get involved.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
28 Jun 2021, 12:28 pm #1,865

(28 Jun 2021, 11:38 am)Adrian The one works both ways, as we've seen last week. I wonder what would have happened with all these contracts that GCT are no longer operating, if the big three operators all refused to take on the work (given that they may or may not have been rejected in the Tender exercise already)

I largely agree with your comments about services that have suddenly become commercially viable. I think you've mentioned the 97, but I remember Go North East were awarded the 22/24 in Durham, before Arriva decided it was commercially viable after all.

But the tendering process that Nexus uses is hugely problematic and does not provide good value imo. It's also overcomplicated from what it needs to be. A better system would be a pot of funding that operators can bid for, if they'd like to continue to run a commercial service into hours where they feel its commercially viable. That would have to be supported by a business case, financials and passenger data. The PTE/LTA can then decide if the service is socially necessary and support it, without any disruption to customers.

The tender process creates a race to the bottom for a start, forcing operators to drive down conditions to remain 'competitive', it provides no continuity of service (ticket acceptance for example) and we see completely different operating standards; missing NSAs on the Washington locals and the impact on those that need them was spoken about on this forum previously. I'm also not a fan of seeing operators more than happy to take secured work on, but take no commercial risk in improving the bus network we have. 

Hopefully Enhanced Partnerships will change this, but we'll see what the consultation period and proposals bring...

I agree that it works both ways, but it could be also be argued that we may not see this GCT situation, if the bigger boys had decided to play out on a night.

As for the independents having their own commercial work.
We all know what happens when any of the big boys get annoyed. Particularly if it's one of the young upstarts who get involved.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

citaro5284



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28 Jun 2021, 7:47 pm #1,866
At least at the minute, since GNE have took over some evening contracts from tonight, folk will get cheaper fares with the £1 fares after 7pm
citaro5284
28 Jun 2021, 7:47 pm #1,866

At least at the minute, since GNE have took over some evening contracts from tonight, folk will get cheaper fares with the £1 fares after 7pm

Dan

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28 Jun 2021, 7:56 pm #1,867
(28 Jun 2021, 7:47 pm)citaro5284 At least at the minute, since GNE have took over some evening contracts from tonight, folk will get cheaper fares with the £1 fares after 7pm


I understand this has been a regular complaint on Washington services on an evening, that Gateshead Central Taxis wouldn’t issue £1 fares after 19:00, since Go North East launched this initiative. Refusal to allow passengers to board if they only have a contactless bank card, another.

Initiatives like this could of course result in growth, developing patronage for the service to become commercially viable.


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Dan
28 Jun 2021, 7:56 pm #1,867

(28 Jun 2021, 7:47 pm)citaro5284 At least at the minute, since GNE have took over some evening contracts from tonight, folk will get cheaper fares with the £1 fares after 7pm


I understand this has been a regular complaint on Washington services on an evening, that Gateshead Central Taxis wouldn’t issue £1 fares after 19:00, since Go North East launched this initiative. Refusal to allow passengers to board if they only have a contactless bank card, another.

Initiatives like this could of course result in growth, developing patronage for the service to become commercially viable.


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28 Jun 2021, 9:39 pm #1,868
Dk what it is with gct. But yesterday and tonight
Gct have had a pvr of 2 buses on the 42rota meaning only 2 buses have been on the 42/42A when there is meant to be 4
Micheal Aaron
28 Jun 2021, 9:39 pm #1,868

Dk what it is with gct. But yesterday and tonight
Gct have had a pvr of 2 buses on the 42rota meaning only 2 buses have been on the 42/42A when there is meant to be 4

Adrian



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28 Jun 2021, 9:42 pm #1,869
(28 Jun 2021, 7:56 pm)Dan I understand this has been a regular complaint on Washington services on an evening, that Gateshead Central Taxis wouldn’t issue £1 fares after 19:00, since Go North East launched this initiative. Refusal to allow passengers to board if they only have a contactless bank card, another.

Initiatives like this could of course result in growth, developing patronage for the service to become commercially viable.

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I made use of the £1 singles tonight. Not bad at all when I can travel across Washington and back for £2.

Of course, other radical initiatives, such as the bus actually turning up helps...  Smile

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Adrian
28 Jun 2021, 9:42 pm #1,869

(28 Jun 2021, 7:56 pm)Dan I understand this has been a regular complaint on Washington services on an evening, that Gateshead Central Taxis wouldn’t issue £1 fares after 19:00, since Go North East launched this initiative. Refusal to allow passengers to board if they only have a contactless bank card, another.

Initiatives like this could of course result in growth, developing patronage for the service to become commercially viable.

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I made use of the £1 singles tonight. Not bad at all when I can travel across Washington and back for £2.

Of course, other radical initiatives, such as the bus actually turning up helps...  Smile


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28 Jun 2021, 9:48 pm #1,870
(28 Jun 2021, 7:56 pm)Dan I understand this has been a regular complaint on Washington services on an evening, that Gateshead Central Taxis wouldn’t issue £1 fares after 19:00, since Go North East launched this initiative. Refusal to allow passengers to board if they only have a contactless bank card, another.

Initiatives like this could of course result in growth, developing patronage for the service to become commercially viable.


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But isn't it in GCT's best interests to keep the services unviable?

(28 Jun 2021, 9:42 pm)Adrian I made use of the £1 singles tonight. Not bad at all when I can travel across Washington and back for £2.

Of course, other radical initiatives, such as the bus actually turning up helps...  Smile

I've use it a couple times on a night to get from Newcastle to Bishop, even once I factor in waiting half an hour and the extra £1.40 for the Arriva bus home, it's still considerably cheaper
Edited 28 Jun 2021, 9:48 pm by streetdeckfan.
streetdeckfan
28 Jun 2021, 9:48 pm #1,870

(28 Jun 2021, 7:56 pm)Dan I understand this has been a regular complaint on Washington services on an evening, that Gateshead Central Taxis wouldn’t issue £1 fares after 19:00, since Go North East launched this initiative. Refusal to allow passengers to board if they only have a contactless bank card, another.

Initiatives like this could of course result in growth, developing patronage for the service to become commercially viable.


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But isn't it in GCT's best interests to keep the services unviable?

(28 Jun 2021, 9:42 pm)Adrian I made use of the £1 singles tonight. Not bad at all when I can travel across Washington and back for £2.

Of course, other radical initiatives, such as the bus actually turning up helps...  Smile

I've use it a couple times on a night to get from Newcastle to Bishop, even once I factor in waiting half an hour and the extra £1.40 for the Arriva bus home, it's still considerably cheaper

28 Jun 2021, 9:53 pm #1,871
Just for the fun of it. Might actually use it to Wallsend on the 1A on Sunday night
Micheal Aaron
28 Jun 2021, 9:53 pm #1,871

Just for the fun of it. Might actually use it to Wallsend on the 1A on Sunday night

Andreos1



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28 Jun 2021, 10:43 pm #1,872
(28 Jun 2021, 9:53 pm)Micheal Aaron Just for the fun of it. Might actually use it to Wallsend on the 1A on Sunday night

If you hit on lucky, you might get it for 10p!
There seems to be an error somewhere and the system has been charging punters 10p.
It's like a time warp back to 1988!

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
28 Jun 2021, 10:43 pm #1,872

(28 Jun 2021, 9:53 pm)Micheal Aaron Just for the fun of it. Might actually use it to Wallsend on the 1A on Sunday night

If you hit on lucky, you might get it for 10p!
There seems to be an error somewhere and the system has been charging punters 10p.
It's like a time warp back to 1988!


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

MurdnunoC



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29 Jun 2021, 8:18 am #1,873
(28 Jun 2021, 10:43 pm)Andreos1 If you hit on lucky, you might get it for 10p!
There seems to be an error somewhere and the system has been charging punters 10p.
It's like a time warp back to 1988!

Only if you could get a Transfare for 15p too.
MurdnunoC
29 Jun 2021, 8:18 am #1,873

(28 Jun 2021, 10:43 pm)Andreos1 If you hit on lucky, you might get it for 10p!
There seems to be an error somewhere and the system has been charging punters 10p.
It's like a time warp back to 1988!

Only if you could get a Transfare for 15p too.

V514DFT



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29 Jun 2021, 11:57 am #1,874
(29 Jun 2021, 8:18 am)MurdnunoC Only if you could get a Transfare for 15p too.
Im not quite that old,but i do remember being charged 25p or should i say my dad was charged 25p

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
29 Jun 2021, 11:57 am #1,874

(29 Jun 2021, 8:18 am)MurdnunoC Only if you could get a Transfare for 15p too.
Im not quite that old,but i do remember being charged 25p or should i say my dad was charged 25p


Kind Regards
Tez

Andreos1



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29 Jun 2021, 12:33 pm #1,875
(29 Jun 2021, 8:18 am)MurdnunoC Only if you could get a Transfare for 15p too.

Might just try that and see if that has been programmed incorrectly too!

(29 Jun 2021, 11:57 am)V514DFT Im not quite that old,but i do remember being charged 25p or should i say my dad was charged 25p

I can remember the 5p singles. 10p transfer.
Cracking days out with the grandparents. Where else could you travel from one end of T&W to the other for 10p? Apart from on fairly recently on GNE buses when data is entered wrong Big Grin
Edited 29 Jun 2021, 12:35 pm by Andreos1.

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Andreos1
29 Jun 2021, 12:33 pm #1,875

(29 Jun 2021, 8:18 am)MurdnunoC Only if you could get a Transfare for 15p too.

Might just try that and see if that has been programmed incorrectly too!

(29 Jun 2021, 11:57 am)V514DFT Im not quite that old,but i do remember being charged 25p or should i say my dad was charged 25p

I can remember the 5p singles. 10p transfer.
Cracking days out with the grandparents. Where else could you travel from one end of T&W to the other for 10p? Apart from on fairly recently on GNE buses when data is entered wrong Big Grin


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Rob44



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29 Jun 2021, 1:32 pm #1,876
I got from gosforth park to sunderland park lane for 10p transfer in the eights. And one member having to stamp there transfer tick in the separate machine and the clock starting to tick before the time was up? Great times
Rob44
29 Jun 2021, 1:32 pm #1,876

I got from gosforth park to sunderland park lane for 10p transfer in the eights. And one member having to stamp there transfer tick in the separate machine and the clock starting to tick before the time was up? Great times

Andreos1



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29 Jun 2021, 1:43 pm #1,877
(29 Jun 2021, 1:32 pm)Rob44 I got from gosforth park to sunderland park lane for 10p transfer in the eights. And one member having to stamp there transfer tick in the separate machine and the clock starting to tick before the time was up? Great times

Aye, there was a funny little validator machine behind the driver if I remember right.
Can vaguely remember getting the ticket and then having to put it in the machine.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
29 Jun 2021, 1:43 pm #1,877

(29 Jun 2021, 1:32 pm)Rob44 I got from gosforth park to sunderland park lane for 10p transfer in the eights. And one member having to stamp there transfer tick in the separate machine and the clock starting to tick before the time was up? Great times

Aye, there was a funny little validator machine behind the driver if I remember right.
Can vaguely remember getting the ticket and then having to put it in the machine.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

29 Jun 2021, 2:15 pm #1,878
ADL Enviro 200MMC YW68 PBY is on the 359

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Micheal Aaron
29 Jun 2021, 2:15 pm #1,878

ADL Enviro 200MMC YW68 PBY is on the 359

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busmanT



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29 Jun 2021, 9:26 pm #1,879
(29 Jun 2021, 2:15 pm)Micheal Aaron ADL Enviro 200MMC YW68 PBY is on the 359
At least there is a bus on the 359 - one of the two buses on service 23 in Birtley was "missing" this afternoon.
busmanT
29 Jun 2021, 9:26 pm #1,879

(29 Jun 2021, 2:15 pm)Micheal Aaron ADL Enviro 200MMC YW68 PBY is on the 359
At least there is a bus on the 359 - one of the two buses on service 23 in Birtley was "missing" this afternoon.

29 Jun 2021, 9:31 pm #1,880
Surprised all the W routes were in service today. Found out the other day the W2 didn't run and day before W3 didn't run
Micheal Aaron
29 Jun 2021, 9:31 pm #1,880

Surprised all the W routes were in service today. Found out the other day the W2 didn't run and day before W3 didn't run

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