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James101



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17 Apr 2016, 7:14 pm #21
An anti-collision system is clearly a good thing. 

I'm saying there's pros and cons to the finer details of how it works. It's not good of it's setting itself off at false alarms. I haven't a clue in the technicalities but if the system involves a device which emits a beam and activates the alarm of the beam is broken by an object. Maybe the solution would be to pitch the beam lower to ignore overhead signs etc.

Clearly safety comes before comfort but it must be startling for passengers who hear the 'Warning Low Bridge' message when in reality there's no danger.

Maybe we should just revert to tin cans on rope 100yds before a bridge?  Wink
James101
17 Apr 2016, 7:14 pm #21

An anti-collision system is clearly a good thing. 

I'm saying there's pros and cons to the finer details of how it works. It's not good of it's setting itself off at false alarms. I haven't a clue in the technicalities but if the system involves a device which emits a beam and activates the alarm of the beam is broken by an object. Maybe the solution would be to pitch the beam lower to ignore overhead signs etc.

Clearly safety comes before comfort but it must be startling for passengers who hear the 'Warning Low Bridge' message when in reality there's no danger.

Maybe we should just revert to tin cans on rope 100yds before a bridge?  Wink

James101



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17 Apr 2016, 7:16 pm #22
(17 Apr 2016, 6:58 pm)MurdnunoC If the few 'beeps' near the Tyne Bridge prove to be an insurmountable distraction to the driver, then I'd suggest he or she is probably in the wrong profession as there numerous things more far more distracting than a sound warning of a potentially dangerous obstacle.

If a driver is so unaware of the dimensions of their vehicle that they strike a low bridge, then I'd suggest he or she is probably in the wrong profession.
James101
17 Apr 2016, 7:16 pm #22

(17 Apr 2016, 6:58 pm)MurdnunoC If the few 'beeps' near the Tyne Bridge prove to be an insurmountable distraction to the driver, then I'd suggest he or she is probably in the wrong profession as there numerous things more far more distracting than a sound warning of a potentially dangerous obstacle.

If a driver is so unaware of the dimensions of their vehicle that they strike a low bridge, then I'd suggest he or she is probably in the wrong profession.

BusLoverMum



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17 Apr 2016, 8:05 pm #23
So startling that I've never even noticed it.
BusLoverMum
17 Apr 2016, 8:05 pm #23

So startling that I've never even noticed it.

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17 Apr 2016, 8:09 pm #24
(17 Apr 2016, 8:05 pm)BusLoverMum So startling that I've never even noticed it.

Me either.
Davie
17 Apr 2016, 8:09 pm #24

(17 Apr 2016, 8:05 pm)BusLoverMum So startling that I've never even noticed it.

Me either.

MurdnunoC



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17 Apr 2016, 8:12 pm #25
(17 Apr 2016, 7:16 pm)James101 If a driver is so unaware of the dimensions of their vehicle that they strike a low bridge, then I'd suggest he or she is probably in the wrong profession.

And yet it still happens.
MurdnunoC
17 Apr 2016, 8:12 pm #25

(17 Apr 2016, 7:16 pm)James101 If a driver is so unaware of the dimensions of their vehicle that they strike a low bridge, then I'd suggest he or she is probably in the wrong profession.

And yet it still happens.

MurdnunoC



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17 Apr 2016, 8:18 pm #26
(17 Apr 2016, 8:05 pm)BusLoverMum So startling that I've never even noticed it.

(17 Apr 2016, 8:09 pm)Davie Me either.

Irrespective of the efficacy of the system in the place, the majority of passengers probably won't notice the alarm. I honestly don't know why this has attracted so much debate.
MurdnunoC
17 Apr 2016, 8:18 pm #26

(17 Apr 2016, 8:05 pm)BusLoverMum So startling that I've never even noticed it.

(17 Apr 2016, 8:09 pm)Davie Me either.

Irrespective of the efficacy of the system in the place, the majority of passengers probably won't notice the alarm. I honestly don't know why this has attracted so much debate.

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17 Apr 2016, 8:21 pm #27
(17 Apr 2016, 8:18 pm)MurdnunoC Irrespective of the efficacy of the system in the place, the majority of passengers probably won't notice the alarm. I honestly don't know why this has attracted so much debate.

I appreciate the reason for it but passengers do notice it. Especially being stuck in traffic on Wellington St and you get constant loud beeping for about 5 minutes!

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17 Apr 2016, 8:21 pm #27

(17 Apr 2016, 8:18 pm)MurdnunoC Irrespective of the efficacy of the system in the place, the majority of passengers probably won't notice the alarm. I honestly don't know why this has attracted so much debate.

I appreciate the reason for it but passengers do notice it. Especially being stuck in traffic on Wellington St and you get constant loud beeping for about 5 minutes!


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17 Apr 2016, 9:22 pm #28
(17 Apr 2016, 8:21 pm)Ambassador I appreciate the reason for it but passengers do notice it. Especially being stuck in traffic on Wellington St and you get constant loud beeping for about 5 minutes!

Ah you can blame the idiots who block the yellow box at the bottom of West Street for that problem.

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17 Apr 2016, 9:22 pm #28

(17 Apr 2016, 8:21 pm)Ambassador I appreciate the reason for it but passengers do notice it. Especially being stuck in traffic on Wellington St and you get constant loud beeping for about 5 minutes!

Ah you can blame the idiots who block the yellow box at the bottom of West Street for that problem.


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17 Apr 2016, 10:55 pm #29
(17 Apr 2016, 9:22 pm)GMitchelhill Ah you can blame the idiots who block the yellow box at the bottom of West Street for that problem.

Amen...and those on Prince Consort Rd!

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17 Apr 2016, 10:55 pm #29

(17 Apr 2016, 9:22 pm)GMitchelhill Ah you can blame the idiots who block the yellow box at the bottom of West Street for that problem.

Amen...and those on Prince Consort Rd!


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19 Apr 2016, 4:48 pm #30
(17 Apr 2016, 6:38 pm)citaro5284 I cannot believe that people think having such a device fitted is a waste of time.

I'm not sure that's the point, Citaro. I think the main point is if a device like this is constantly overused, then drivers might become complacent - a driver might get used to the beeping, so when they really need it (ie in your example earlier), the whole point of the system is missed.

A couple of railway collisions, IIRC, have happened this way with drivers 'chasing yellows' and resetting the AWS (Automatic Warning System) every time they pass a cautionary signal aspect. Doing this repetitively for any good period of time can lead to the actual meaning of the warning being missed and, before you know it, you're approaching a red too quickly and shoot past it.

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19 Apr 2016, 4:48 pm #30

(17 Apr 2016, 6:38 pm)citaro5284 I cannot believe that people think having such a device fitted is a waste of time.

I'm not sure that's the point, Citaro. I think the main point is if a device like this is constantly overused, then drivers might become complacent - a driver might get used to the beeping, so when they really need it (ie in your example earlier), the whole point of the system is missed.

A couple of railway collisions, IIRC, have happened this way with drivers 'chasing yellows' and resetting the AWS (Automatic Warning System) every time they pass a cautionary signal aspect. Doing this repetitively for any good period of time can lead to the actual meaning of the warning being missed and, before you know it, you're approaching a red too quickly and shoot past it.


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19 Apr 2016, 8:01 pm #31
I noticed it for the first time today on the X9
NK53 TKT
19 Apr 2016, 8:01 pm #31

I noticed it for the first time today on the X9

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19 Apr 2016, 9:18 pm #32
(19 Apr 2016, 8:01 pm)NK53 TKT I noticed it for the first time today on the X9

You'll hear it everywhere, now you're listening for it!
BusLoverMum
19 Apr 2016, 9:18 pm #32

(19 Apr 2016, 8:01 pm)NK53 TKT I noticed it for the first time today on the X9

You'll hear it everywhere, now you're listening for it!

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