Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
So looking at the Derwentside changes, the X70 could be saved with only a PVR increase of 1. Big caveat is branding. Will post something with slightly more detail another time. Some of the routes mentioned will form common headways.
6:
- Stanley to Newcastle only but otherwise unchanged.
7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X72 route Stanley to Sunniside then X30/X31 route to Newcastle.
- Evenings via Burnopfield rather than Sleepy Village.
X7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X31 route from Stanley to Newcastle.
X70 - Every 60 mins:
- Current 6 route Lanchester to Stanley, then current X30 route to Sunniside, then current X72 route to Newcastle.
X71 - Every 60 mins:
- Same as now.
X72 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X70 route from Consett to Newcastle.
The common headways would be......
- 7/X7 - Sunniside to Newcastle via Whickham and Dunston.
- 7/X72 - Dipton, Crookgate and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X7/X70 - Stanley, Causey Road and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X71/X72 - Consett, Burnopfield, Crookgate, Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
- X70/X71/X72 - Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
Current PVRs - Total 20x (after 24/07)......
- 6 - 7x (excludes service 12)
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
Suggested PVRs - Total 21x......
- 6 - 5x (excludes service 12)
- 7/X7/X45 - 9x
- X70/X71/X72 - 7x
(17 Jul 2022, 8:58 pm)L469 YVK So looking at the Derwentside changes, the X70 could be saved with only a PVR increase of 1. Big caveat is branding. Will post something with slightly more detail another time. Some of the routes mentioned will form common headways.What about the low height bridge at Dunston?
6:
- Stanley to Newcastle only but otherwise unchanged.
7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X72 route Stanley to Sunniside then X30/X31 route to Newcastle.
- Evenings via Burnopfield rather than Sleepy Village.
X7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X31 route from Stanley to Newcastle.
X70 - Every 60 mins:
- Current 6 route Lanchester to Stanley, then current X30 route to Sunniside, then current X72 route to Newcastle.
X71 - Every 60 mins:
- Same as now.
X72 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X70 route from Consett to Newcastle.
The common headways would be......
- 7/X7 - Sunniside to Newcastle via Whickham and Dunston.
- 7/X72 - Dipton, Crookgate and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X7/X70 - Stanley, Causey Road and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X71/X72 - Consett, Burnopfield, Crookgate, Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
- X70/X71/X72 - Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
Current PVRs - Total 20x (after 24/07)......
- 6 - 7x (excludes service 12)
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
Suggested PVRs - Total 21x......
- 6 - 5x (excludes service 12)
- 7/X7/X45 - 9x
- X70/X71/X72 - 7x
(17 Jul 2022, 8:58 pm)L469 YVK So looking at the Derwentside changes, the X70 could be saved with only a PVR increase of 1. Big caveat is branding. Will post something with slightly more detail another time. Some of the routes mentioned will form common headways.What about the low height bridge at Dunston?
6:
- Stanley to Newcastle only but otherwise unchanged.
7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X72 route Stanley to Sunniside then X30/X31 route to Newcastle.
- Evenings via Burnopfield rather than Sleepy Village.
X7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X31 route from Stanley to Newcastle.
X70 - Every 60 mins:
- Current 6 route Lanchester to Stanley, then current X30 route to Sunniside, then current X72 route to Newcastle.
X71 - Every 60 mins:
- Same as now.
X72 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X70 route from Consett to Newcastle.
The common headways would be......
- 7/X7 - Sunniside to Newcastle via Whickham and Dunston.
- 7/X72 - Dipton, Crookgate and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X7/X70 - Stanley, Causey Road and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X71/X72 - Consett, Burnopfield, Crookgate, Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
- X70/X71/X72 - Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
Current PVRs - Total 20x (after 24/07)......
- 6 - 7x (excludes service 12)
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
Suggested PVRs - Total 21x......
- 6 - 5x (excludes service 12)
- 7/X7/X45 - 9x
- X70/X71/X72 - 7x
(17 Jul 2022, 9:37 pm)MurdnunoC Woah!
Don't suggest something like that when he's on full-on PVR psychosis mode, man.
It may tip him over the edge!!
(17 Jul 2022, 9:37 pm)MurdnunoC Woah!
Don't suggest something like that when he's on full-on PVR psychosis mode, man.
It may tip him over the edge!!
(17 Jul 2022, 9:41 pm)ASX_Terranova Talking of the low bridge at Dunston, did the 41/42 go underneath?
Also would Stanley - Burnopfield - Rowlands Gill (old 714) then as X45 work?
(17 Jul 2022, 9:41 pm)ASX_Terranova Talking of the low bridge at Dunston, did the 41/42 go underneath?
Also would Stanley - Burnopfield - Rowlands Gill (old 714) then as X45 work?
(17 Jul 2022, 9:44 pm)MurdnunoC Yep. As did the 642/M40 (and 648/649) using a variety of double deckers including Olympians and Metrobuses.
(Look, another straight answer. Twice tonight).
(17 Jul 2022, 9:44 pm)MurdnunoC Yep. As did the 642/M40 (and 648/649) using a variety of double deckers including Olympians and Metrobuses.
(Look, another straight answer. Twice tonight).
(17 Jul 2022, 8:58 pm)L469 YVK So looking at the Derwentside changes, the X70 could be saved with only a PVR increase of 1. Big caveat is branding. Will post something with slightly more detail another time. Some of the routes mentioned will form common headways.
6:
- Stanley to Newcastle only but otherwise unchanged.
7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X72 route Stanley to Sunniside then X30/X31 route to Newcastle.
- Evenings via Burnopfield rather than Sleepy Village.
X7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X31 route from Stanley to Newcastle.
X70 - Every 60 mins:
- Current 6 route Lanchester to Stanley, then current X30 route to Sunniside, then current X72 route to Newcastle.
X71 - Every 60 mins:
- Same as now.
X72 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X70 route from Consett to Newcastle.
The common headways would be......
- 7/X7 - Sunniside to Newcastle via Whickham and Dunston.
- 7/X72 - Dipton, Crookgate and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X7/X70 - Stanley, Causey Road and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X71/X72 - Consett, Burnopfield, Crookgate, Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
- X70/X71/X72 - Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
Current PVRs - Total 20x (after 24/07)......
- 6 - 7x (excludes service 12)
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
Suggested PVRs - Total 21x......
- 6 - 5x (excludes service 12)
- 7/X7/X45 - 9x
- X70/X71/X72 - 7x
(17 Jul 2022, 8:58 pm)L469 YVK So looking at the Derwentside changes, the X70 could be saved with only a PVR increase of 1. Big caveat is branding. Will post something with slightly more detail another time. Some of the routes mentioned will form common headways.
6:
- Stanley to Newcastle only but otherwise unchanged.
7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X72 route Stanley to Sunniside then X30/X31 route to Newcastle.
- Evenings via Burnopfield rather than Sleepy Village.
X7 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X31 route from Stanley to Newcastle.
X70 - Every 60 mins:
- Current 6 route Lanchester to Stanley, then current X30 route to Sunniside, then current X72 route to Newcastle.
X71 - Every 60 mins:
- Same as now.
X72 - Every 60 mins:
- Current X70 route from Consett to Newcastle.
The common headways would be......
- 7/X7 - Sunniside to Newcastle via Whickham and Dunston.
- 7/X72 - Dipton, Crookgate and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X7/X70 - Stanley, Causey Road and Sunniside to Newcastle.
- X71/X72 - Consett, Burnopfield, Crookgate, Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
- X70/X71/X72 - Sunniside, Lobley Hill and Gateshead to Newcastle.
Current PVRs - Total 20x (after 24/07)......
- 6 - 7x (excludes service 12)
- X30/X31/X45 - 8x
- X71/X72 - 5x
Suggested PVRs - Total 21x......
- 6 - 5x (excludes service 12)
- 7/X7/X45 - 9x
- X70/X71/X72 - 7x
With the 25 drivers needing to take remote reliefs, is there any way it could serve The Galleries without too much inconvenience to avoid this.
(22 Jul 2022, 8:28 am)ASX_Terranova With the 25 drivers needing to take remote reliefs, is there any way it could serve The Galleries without too much inconvenience to avoid this.Not really, to serve the Galleries you'd have to either miss the Birtley to CLS section out (like the 81), or have it follow the 8 route from CLS to Washington. Either way would need more buses and drivers.
(22 Jul 2022, 8:28 am)ASX_Terranova With the 25 drivers needing to take remote reliefs, is there any way it could serve The Galleries without too much inconvenience to avoid this.Not really, to serve the Galleries you'd have to either miss the Birtley to CLS section out (like the 81), or have it follow the 8 route from CLS to Washington. Either way would need more buses and drivers.
With the X70/62/55 gone I thought I would say what I would do with them.
55 & 62 renumbered 36/37 or 62 63
36/63 Peterlee > Shotton > Easington Lane > Hetton > Murton > Dalton Park > A19 > Doxford > A690 > Sunderland Stand R/A.
37/62 Peterlee > Easington Lane > Murton > Dalton Park > Spectrum Business Park > Dawdon > Parkside > Seaham > Avenue > A1018 > Burdon Lane > Hall Farm > Doxford > A690 > Sunderland.
Every 60 Mins, every 30 mins together.
X70
Extended upto Kingston Park
Just looking at the routes today imo this would be better
25 - 81 Bus Route Every 30 Minutes Monday to Sat, Every Hour Sundays and Evenings
8 - Stanley to Washington only additionally serving Vigo Lane, North Road and Newcastle Road instead of Picktree (covered by 50) - Every 30 Minutes, Mon - Sat, Every Hour Sundays and Evenings
81/82/82A withdrawn.
I'll re-simplify my idea from the other day. Same principle but easier route numbering.........
6:
- Stanley to Newcastle only with X30 replacing section between Stanley and Lanchester.
X30 - every 60 mins:
- Same as 6 between Lanchester and Stanley, then same as now to Sunniside, then same as X72 between Sunniside and Newcastle. All journeys via Lobley Hill Estate.
X31 - every 60 mins:
- Same as now.
X32- every 60 mins:
- Same as X72 between Stanley and Sunniside including evening variation as appropriate. Then same as X31 between Sunniside and Newcastle.
X70 - every 60 mins:
- Same as before 24/07.
X71 - every 60 mins:
- Same as before 24/07.
X72 - withdrawn:
- Replaced by X32 and X30.
Combined frequencies.......
- X30/X31 - Stanley - Kip Hill - Sunniside - Newcastle = Up to approximately every 30 mins
- X31/X32 - Sunniside - Whickham - Dunston - Central Station - Newcastle = Every 30 mins
- X30/X70/X71 - Sunniside - Lobley Hill - Gateshead - Newcastle = Up to every 20 mins
Also even headway on X70/X71 on common parts between Consett and Sunniside. Also even headway with X32/X70 to and from Dipton.
(24 Jul 2022, 10:01 am)Storx Just looking at the routes today imo this would be better
25 - 81 Bus Route Every 30 Minutes Monday to Sat, Every Hour Sundays and Evenings
8 - Stanley to Washington only additionally serving Vigo Lane, North Road and Newcastle Road instead of Picktree (covered by 50) - Every 30 Minutes, Mon - Sat, Every Hour Sundays and Evenings
81/82/82A withdrawn.
(24 Jul 2022, 10:01 am)Storx Just looking at the routes today imo this would be better
25 - 81 Bus Route Every 30 Minutes Monday to Sat, Every Hour Sundays and Evenings
8 - Stanley to Washington only additionally serving Vigo Lane, North Road and Newcastle Road instead of Picktree (covered by 50) - Every 30 Minutes, Mon - Sat, Every Hour Sundays and Evenings
81/82/82A withdrawn.
(24 Jul 2022, 4:04 pm)peter I agree that the new setup with the 81/82/83/25 daytime vs evening is overly confusing. Can't see the 8 being changed however as of course that's commercial where the rest are contracted. Personally I think the 25/82/82A should be merged into the 81/83, providing a half hourly service from Gateshead to Washington to Barmston Court extending to Waterview Park/Sunderland on evenings/Sundays. Only downside is you're reducing connectivity taking away the link to Chester
(24 Jul 2022, 4:04 pm)peter I agree that the new setup with the 81/82/83/25 daytime vs evening is overly confusing. Can't see the 8 being changed however as of course that's commercial where the rest are contracted. Personally I think the 25/82/82A should be merged into the 81/83, providing a half hourly service from Gateshead to Washington to Barmston Court extending to Waterview Park/Sunderland on evenings/Sundays. Only downside is you're reducing connectivity taking away the link to Chester
(24 Jul 2022, 4:58 pm)Storx Yeah that wouldn't be a bad shout either, I don't believe the 81 is going to Sunderland on an evening though is it? There's just absolutely no service at all now which is a bit crap imo.
Suppose if you made those changes you could extend the TB14 to Chester Le Street since the TB23/24 would pretty much become redundant additionally serving Elisabeth Avenue which would keep the Chester Links.
Personally though I'd like to see more co-operation even if it does mean changing routes a bit. I'm not sure GNE would be bothered if they got the 25 on a permanent deal without it going out for a tender and I don't really get the point of the 8, it's such a long route offering nothing unique either side of CLS really, at least with the 81 all day. Birtley and Low Fell would get a direct service to Washington and Sunderland which someone might want rather than another service to CLS.
(24 Jul 2022, 4:58 pm)Storx Yeah that wouldn't be a bad shout either, I don't believe the 81 is going to Sunderland on an evening though is it? There's just absolutely no service at all now which is a bit crap imo.
Suppose if you made those changes you could extend the TB14 to Chester Le Street since the TB23/24 would pretty much become redundant additionally serving Elisabeth Avenue which would keep the Chester Links.
Personally though I'd like to see more co-operation even if it does mean changing routes a bit. I'm not sure GNE would be bothered if they got the 25 on a permanent deal without it going out for a tender and I don't really get the point of the 8, it's such a long route offering nothing unique either side of CLS really, at least with the 81 all day. Birtley and Low Fell would get a direct service to Washington and Sunderland which someone might want rather than another service to CLS.
61/61A
61 diverted via Royal Hospital in Sunderland. Through services to take a simplified route through Murton and re-numbered 62.
61A diverted via Sunderland Winter Gardens and Murton East Moor Estate, also runs opposite-direction loop around Murton. Retimed to run hourly through the day.
61 and 61A interwork with each other, PVR 3. Allocation; ex-Violet Citaros.
62
Through services on the 61 renumbered to 62. These will take a simplified route in Murton (Dalton Park <> Woods Terrace <> Barnes Road <> Wellfield Road <> Station Estate), also diverted via East Durham College in Peterlee.
Standalone, PVR 2. Allocation; any 2 of 8339-42.
63/X63
New route 63 to re-establish links between Dawdon and Dalton Park/Peterlee.
X6 renumbered to X63 with timetable change.
EDIT: Minor correction - 63 and X63 depart from Stand A at Sunderland.
63, 206 and X63 interwork with each other, PVR 4. Allocation; Peterlee Solo. 206 added with its current timetable to create some extra buffer time in case of delays. 38 runs independently every 30 minutes (PVR 1).
(24 Jul 2022, 5:06 pm)ASX_Terranova I would like to see the 81 also serve Newcastle as well. It will be interesting tomorrow to see what happens with the 82/82A and how busy they are.
(24 Jul 2022, 5:06 pm)ASX_Terranova I would like to see the 81 also serve Newcastle as well. It will be interesting tomorrow to see what happens with the 82/82A and how busy they are.
(24 Jul 2022, 8:08 pm)Malarkey Missed opportunity in my opinion however there is the issue of the 28B/81 operating within less than 10 Minutes of each other between Gateshead Interchange and Chowdene Bank (Gold Medal) before they separate off route wise.I half agree with you.
I do think as well the 81 should operate daily throughout the week on the side of the half hour which the 25 will no longer be operating as of tomorrow with it now becoming an hourly service, this would maintain a 30 minute frequency between Newcastle and Barley Mow, i'd also like to see an Xpress Service given it does take 90 mins from Gateshead to Sunderland on the 81.
I've suggested in the past Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell (The Cannon) non-stop via A1 to Washington Galleries - Penshaw - Grindon Mill - Royal Hospital - Sunderland Interchange which could be operated on an Hourly Basis.
(24 Jul 2022, 8:08 pm)Malarkey Missed opportunity in my opinion however there is the issue of the 28B/81 operating within less than 10 Minutes of each other between Gateshead Interchange and Chowdene Bank (Gold Medal) before they separate off route wise.I half agree with you.
I do think as well the 81 should operate daily throughout the week on the side of the half hour which the 25 will no longer be operating as of tomorrow with it now becoming an hourly service, this would maintain a 30 minute frequency between Newcastle and Barley Mow, i'd also like to see an Xpress Service given it does take 90 mins from Gateshead to Sunderland on the 81.
I've suggested in the past Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell (The Cannon) non-stop via A1 to Washington Galleries - Penshaw - Grindon Mill - Royal Hospital - Sunderland Interchange which could be operated on an Hourly Basis.
(24 Jul 2022, 8:08 pm)Malarkey Missed opportunity in my opinion however there is the issue of the 28B/81 operating within less than 10 Minutes of each other between Gateshead Interchange and Chowdene Bank (Gold Medal) before they separate off route wise.
I do think as well the 81 should operate daily throughout the week on the side of the half hour which the 25 will no longer be operating as of tomorrow with it now becoming an hourly service, this would maintain a 30 minute frequency between Newcastle and Barley Mow, i'd also like to see an Xpress Service given it does take 90 mins from Gateshead to Sunderland on the 81.
I've suggested in the past Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell (The Cannon) non-stop via A1 to Washington Galleries - Penshaw - Grindon Mill - Royal Hospital - Sunderland Interchange which could be operated on an Hourly Basis.
(24 Jul 2022, 8:08 pm)Malarkey Missed opportunity in my opinion however there is the issue of the 28B/81 operating within less than 10 Minutes of each other between Gateshead Interchange and Chowdene Bank (Gold Medal) before they separate off route wise.
I do think as well the 81 should operate daily throughout the week on the side of the half hour which the 25 will no longer be operating as of tomorrow with it now becoming an hourly service, this would maintain a 30 minute frequency between Newcastle and Barley Mow, i'd also like to see an Xpress Service given it does take 90 mins from Gateshead to Sunderland on the 81.
I've suggested in the past Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell (The Cannon) non-stop via A1 to Washington Galleries - Penshaw - Grindon Mill - Royal Hospital - Sunderland Interchange which could be operated on an Hourly Basis.
