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Unber43



3,533
24 Jul 2022, 8:54 pm #2,421
(24 Jul 2022, 8:45 pm)Storx The 81 doesn't go to Newcastle, it terminates at Gateshead (just noticed tbf).

imo the 8/25/81/82/83/TB14/TB23/TB24 need to be consolidated into a few routes. It's a right mess imo. One service during the day, another at night by different operators absolutely useless as it is.

As mentioned before the best routing would be imo - slightly changed added with the 23.

23: CLS to North Lodge (702), to Barley Mow to Kibblesworth (TB14) (Hourly with Breadvans/Minibus, No Evening Service / Sundays)
25: Newcastle to Barmston via 81 route (Hour Hourly with Minibuses/Midibus, Hourly in Evenings)
8: Stanley to Washington (Half Hourly)
EXT: Washington to Sunderland (8 Route) either left on the end of the 8 or added to the end of the 25 - that'll need discussion between the bus operators though what's best.
701: Hourly replacing 702 runs interworking with 700/703 as now.

81/82/83/TB14/TB23/TB24/702 withdrawn.
You could have 8 & 25 operating hourly to Sunderland
Unber43
24 Jul 2022, 8:54 pm #2,421

(24 Jul 2022, 8:45 pm)Storx The 81 doesn't go to Newcastle, it terminates at Gateshead (just noticed tbf).

imo the 8/25/81/82/83/TB14/TB23/TB24 need to be consolidated into a few routes. It's a right mess imo. One service during the day, another at night by different operators absolutely useless as it is.

As mentioned before the best routing would be imo - slightly changed added with the 23.

23: CLS to North Lodge (702), to Barley Mow to Kibblesworth (TB14) (Hourly with Breadvans/Minibus, No Evening Service / Sundays)
25: Newcastle to Barmston via 81 route (Hour Hourly with Minibuses/Midibus, Hourly in Evenings)
8: Stanley to Washington (Half Hourly)
EXT: Washington to Sunderland (8 Route) either left on the end of the 8 or added to the end of the 25 - that'll need discussion between the bus operators though what's best.
701: Hourly replacing 702 runs interworking with 700/703 as now.

81/82/83/TB14/TB23/TB24/702 withdrawn.
You could have 8 & 25 operating hourly to Sunderland

25 Jul 2022, 3:29 pm #2,422
I think it would be a decent route
based off an old coach trip that ran between Consett and South Shields

X3: Consett - Leadgate - Annfield Plain - Stanley - Chester-le-Street - A1 - Tyne Dock - Westoe - South Shields
KingSlayerRBLX
25 Jul 2022, 3:29 pm #2,422

I think it would be a decent route
based off an old coach trip that ran between Consett and South Shields

X3: Consett - Leadgate - Annfield Plain - Stanley - Chester-le-Street - A1 - Tyne Dock - Westoe - South Shields

26 Jul 2022, 7:27 am #2,423
New Service 50A: South Shields - Chichester - S.T Hospital - Tyne Dock - Jarrow - Hebburn - Monkton Lane - Washington Galleries - Lambton - Ayton - Barley Mow - Chester-Le-Street - Plawsworth - Newton Hall - Framwellgate Moor - Durham.

Would Give Monkton Lane & Hebburn fast buses to the hospital.
Would allow for Newton Hall passengers to connect to 21/X21 at CLS.
Would provide extra capacity between Washington, CLS & Durham.

Twitter: @ASX_Terranova
Blog: https://asxterranova.home.blog/
ASX_Terranova
26 Jul 2022, 7:27 am #2,423

New Service 50A: South Shields - Chichester - S.T Hospital - Tyne Dock - Jarrow - Hebburn - Monkton Lane - Washington Galleries - Lambton - Ayton - Barley Mow - Chester-Le-Street - Plawsworth - Newton Hall - Framwellgate Moor - Durham.

Would Give Monkton Lane & Hebburn fast buses to the hospital.
Would allow for Newton Hall passengers to connect to 21/X21 at CLS.
Would provide extra capacity between Washington, CLS & Durham.


Twitter: @ASX_Terranova
Blog: https://asxterranova.home.blog/

F114TML



896
27 Jul 2022, 4:17 pm #2,424
Picking up on my post in the disruptions/driver shortages thread;

Would it be worth the 65 doing this route around Seaham in both directions?
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Rather than the current anti-clockwise loop
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Unless you can get on at any point on the loop prior to Byron Place and go through to Durham, in which case why isn't that publicised?
F114TML
27 Jul 2022, 4:17 pm #2,424

Picking up on my post in the disruptions/driver shortages thread;

Would it be worth the 65 doing this route around Seaham in both directions?
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Rather than the current anti-clockwise loop
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Unless you can get on at any point on the loop prior to Byron Place and go through to Durham, in which case why isn't that publicised?

27 Jul 2022, 4:25 pm #2,425
(27 Jul 2022, 4:17 pm)F114TML Picking up on my post in the disruptions/driver shortages thread;

Would it be worth the 65 doing this route around Seaham in both directions?
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Rather than the current anti-clockwise loop
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Unless you can get on at any point on the loop prior to Byron Place and go through to Durham, in which case why isn't that publicised?

Why?
deanmachine
27 Jul 2022, 4:25 pm #2,425

(27 Jul 2022, 4:17 pm)F114TML Picking up on my post in the disruptions/driver shortages thread;

Would it be worth the 65 doing this route around Seaham in both directions?
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Rather than the current anti-clockwise loop
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Unless you can get on at any point on the loop prior to Byron Place and go through to Durham, in which case why isn't that publicised?

Why?

F114TML



896
27 Jul 2022, 4:28 pm #2,426
(27 Jul 2022, 4:25 pm)deanmachine Why?
Because it hits the same stops in both directions.
F114TML
27 Jul 2022, 4:28 pm #2,426

(27 Jul 2022, 4:25 pm)deanmachine Why?
Because it hits the same stops in both directions.

idiot



1,116
27 Jul 2022, 5:28 pm #2,427
On an unrelated note - how do you get the routes highlighted on Google maps?
idiot
27 Jul 2022, 5:28 pm #2,427

On an unrelated note - how do you get the routes highlighted on Google maps?

Storx



4,481
27 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm #2,428
(27 Jul 2022, 5:28 pm)idiot On an unrelated note - how do you get the routes highlighted on Google maps?

Add a start and end destination and then do loads of via points where you want the route to go basically and fiddle about until you get it right.
Storx
27 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm #2,428

(27 Jul 2022, 5:28 pm)idiot On an unrelated note - how do you get the routes highlighted on Google maps?

Add a start and end destination and then do loads of via points where you want the route to go basically and fiddle about until you get it right.

F114TML



896
27 Jul 2022, 6:24 pm #2,429
Yeah, it's just the driving directions. Obviously doesn't work if your route goes through a bus gate, or a road that's 2 ways for buses but 1-way for cars. On PC, just drag the route it gives to add a via point.

Alternatively, for most existing local routes it now highlights the exact route buses take - I think the stops have to be no more than a certain distance apart (so it often doesn't work for express buses where it just draws a straight line)
F114TML
27 Jul 2022, 6:24 pm #2,429

Yeah, it's just the driving directions. Obviously doesn't work if your route goes through a bus gate, or a road that's 2 ways for buses but 1-way for cars. On PC, just drag the route it gives to add a via point.

Alternatively, for most existing local routes it now highlights the exact route buses take - I think the stops have to be no more than a certain distance apart (so it often doesn't work for express buses where it just draws a straight line)

Andreos1



14,155
27 Jul 2022, 11:08 pm #2,430
Washington Night shift services. 
Based on conversations in the bus changes thread, I've had the following idea.
The routes can be added to/evolved. Not precious.
N1 - Jarrow, Nissan, Cherry Blossom Way, Waterview Park (for Asda), Teal Farm, Pattison Road/Staithes Road (for Asda and Faurecia), Biddick, Galleries, Oxclose, Crowther (for 2 industrial units), BAE/Rolls Royce, Portobello, Birtley Lane, Harras Bank, Durham Road, Chester - could be extended to the likes of Pelton for the guy who also works at Crowther.

N2 - Rickleton, BAE/Rolls Royce, Crowther (for 2 industrial units), Oxclose, Galleries, Biddick, Pattison Road/Staithes Road (for Asda and Faurecia), Teal Farm, Barmston, Nissan, Cherry Blossom Way, Waterview Park (for Asda), Castletown.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
27 Jul 2022, 11:08 pm #2,430

Washington Night shift services. 
Based on conversations in the bus changes thread, I've had the following idea.
The routes can be added to/evolved. Not precious.
N1 - Jarrow, Nissan, Cherry Blossom Way, Waterview Park (for Asda), Teal Farm, Pattison Road/Staithes Road (for Asda and Faurecia), Biddick, Galleries, Oxclose, Crowther (for 2 industrial units), BAE/Rolls Royce, Portobello, Birtley Lane, Harras Bank, Durham Road, Chester - could be extended to the likes of Pelton for the guy who also works at Crowther.

N2 - Rickleton, BAE/Rolls Royce, Crowther (for 2 industrial units), Oxclose, Galleries, Biddick, Pattison Road/Staithes Road (for Asda and Faurecia), Teal Farm, Barmston, Nissan, Cherry Blossom Way, Waterview Park (for Asda), Castletown.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Storx



4,481
27 Jul 2022, 11:15 pm #2,431
Washington service suggestions instead of bogging the other thread:

56 split, unsure on number:
R1 - 56 (every 30 mins)
R2 - 56 (every 30 mins) Sunderland to Concord, 84/85 loop clockwise as far as Washington
R3 - 56 (every 30 mins) Newcastle to Concord, 84/85 loop anticlockwise as far as Washington

X1 - Current route (every hour) to Peterlee as is
X2 - Current route (every hour) to Peterlee via Murton loop, Dalton Park, direct A19
X3 - Current route (every 30 minutes) as far as Newbottle then 35 route to Low Moorsley (every 30 minutes)
X4 - Current route (every 30 minutes) as far as Washington then 4 route to Houghton Le Spring
35 - Extended to South Hetton every 30 minutes via X1 route from Newbottle interworking with X1/X2 to provide 15 minute service
4 - Current 4 every 30 minutes (interworking with X4 15 minutes between Washington and Houghton)
4A - Current 4 every 30 minutes as far as Washington, remainder of 84 loop.
8 - Additionally serve 83 route between A1231 and Washington

Combined corridors
R1/R2 - Every 15 Minutes
R1/R3 - Every 15 Minutes
X1/X2/35 - Every 15 Minutes
X1/X2/X3 - Every 15 Minutes
4/X4 - Every 15 Minutes
4/4A - Every 15 Minutes

61A extension, 83/84/85 withdrawn.
Storx
27 Jul 2022, 11:15 pm #2,431

Washington service suggestions instead of bogging the other thread:

56 split, unsure on number:
R1 - 56 (every 30 mins)
R2 - 56 (every 30 mins) Sunderland to Concord, 84/85 loop clockwise as far as Washington
R3 - 56 (every 30 mins) Newcastle to Concord, 84/85 loop anticlockwise as far as Washington

X1 - Current route (every hour) to Peterlee as is
X2 - Current route (every hour) to Peterlee via Murton loop, Dalton Park, direct A19
X3 - Current route (every 30 minutes) as far as Newbottle then 35 route to Low Moorsley (every 30 minutes)
X4 - Current route (every 30 minutes) as far as Washington then 4 route to Houghton Le Spring
35 - Extended to South Hetton every 30 minutes via X1 route from Newbottle interworking with X1/X2 to provide 15 minute service
4 - Current 4 every 30 minutes (interworking with X4 15 minutes between Washington and Houghton)
4A - Current 4 every 30 minutes as far as Washington, remainder of 84 loop.
8 - Additionally serve 83 route between A1231 and Washington

Combined corridors
R1/R2 - Every 15 Minutes
R1/R3 - Every 15 Minutes
X1/X2/35 - Every 15 Minutes
X1/X2/X3 - Every 15 Minutes
4/X4 - Every 15 Minutes
4/4A - Every 15 Minutes

61A extension, 83/84/85 withdrawn.

idiot



1,116
28 Jul 2022, 7:48 am #2,432
(27 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm)Storx Add a start and end destination and then do loads of via points where you want the route to go basically and fiddle about until you get it right.

Thanks that will help me with work Big Grin
idiot
28 Jul 2022, 7:48 am #2,432

(27 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm)Storx Add a start and end destination and then do loads of via points where you want the route to go basically and fiddle about until you get it right.

Thanks that will help me with work Big Grin

Unber43



3,533
28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm #2,433
Re-Do of Sunderland Network, Peterlee Network, Washington Network. 

Sunderland Changes
2/2A - Split between Silksworth and Washington, each terminating at Sunderland. 

42/43 - Every 12 Mins, 3x 42, 2x 43. 
42 - Sunderland Park Lane Stand C - Grangetown - Silksworth -
43 - Sunderland Park Land Stand C - Grangetown - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth 
* It does the current route on Homeside one way towards Sunderland, then leaving Park lane on A1231 to Toward Road

2A/2B/2C Sunderland to Washington (every 10 mins combined)
2A - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Thorney Close - Tay Road - Grindon - Hastings Hill - Washington 
2B - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Washington 
2C - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Barmston - Washington 
35 
Extension to Doxford Park (remove the Royal Hospital part of the route)

37/38/39 Pennywell - Doxford Park 
37 - Pennywell - Springwell - East Herrington - Doxford Park - Hall Farm - Tunstall Bank - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Sunderland - Millfield - Ford Estate - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
38 - Pennywell - Ford Estate - Milfield - Sunderland - Queen Alexandria Road - Ryhope - Tunstall Bank - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - East Herrington - Springwell - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
39 Sunderland - 33 Route to Silksworth - Doxford - Farringdon - Thorney - A690 - Hospital - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Hospital - A690 - Thorney - Farringdon - Doxford - 33 Route to Sunderland - Sunderland (every 20 mins) 
X56 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park - 39B Washington - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)

Peterlee Changes 

61/61A - Sunderland - A690 - Queen Alexandria Road - Leechmere Asda - Hollicarside - New Seaham - Murton - Easington - Haswell (61) - Shotton - (61) - South Hetton (61A) - Bracket Hill  - Peterlee Bus Station - 61 (209 route) 61A (210 Route). 
X6 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Bowburn (amazon) - Durham every 30 mins 
X2 Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins) 

Washington Changes

X1/X2/X3/X4/X5 Combined every 10 mins
X1 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Waterview Park - Washington - Gateshead Newcastle Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X2 - Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins) 
X4 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Rainton - Bournmoor - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X5 - Easington - Hetton - Houghton - Oxclose - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)

56/56A every 15 mins combined
56 - Sunderland - High Southwick - Rehouse - Townend Farm - Nissan - Concord - Usworth - Follingsby (continue as the 58 route) reduce the 58 to every 30 mins. - Eldon Square
56A - Sunderland - Southwick - Hylton Castle - Hertburn - Donwell - Springwell - QE - Gateshead - Newcastle Eldon Square
Unber43
28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm #2,433

Re-Do of Sunderland Network, Peterlee Network, Washington Network. 

Sunderland Changes
2/2A - Split between Silksworth and Washington, each terminating at Sunderland. 

42/43 - Every 12 Mins, 3x 42, 2x 43. 
42 - Sunderland Park Lane Stand C - Grangetown - Silksworth -
43 - Sunderland Park Land Stand C - Grangetown - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth 
* It does the current route on Homeside one way towards Sunderland, then leaving Park lane on A1231 to Toward Road

2A/2B/2C Sunderland to Washington (every 10 mins combined)
2A - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Thorney Close - Tay Road - Grindon - Hastings Hill - Washington 
2B - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Washington 
2C - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Barmston - Washington 
35 
Extension to Doxford Park (remove the Royal Hospital part of the route)

37/38/39 Pennywell - Doxford Park 
37 - Pennywell - Springwell - East Herrington - Doxford Park - Hall Farm - Tunstall Bank - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Sunderland - Millfield - Ford Estate - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
38 - Pennywell - Ford Estate - Milfield - Sunderland - Queen Alexandria Road - Ryhope - Tunstall Bank - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - East Herrington - Springwell - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
39 Sunderland - 33 Route to Silksworth - Doxford - Farringdon - Thorney - A690 - Hospital - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Hospital - A690 - Thorney - Farringdon - Doxford - 33 Route to Sunderland - Sunderland (every 20 mins) 
X56 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park - 39B Washington - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)

Peterlee Changes 

61/61A - Sunderland - A690 - Queen Alexandria Road - Leechmere Asda - Hollicarside - New Seaham - Murton - Easington - Haswell (61) - Shotton - (61) - South Hetton (61A) - Bracket Hill  - Peterlee Bus Station - 61 (209 route) 61A (210 Route). 
X6 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Bowburn (amazon) - Durham every 30 mins 
X2 Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins) 

Washington Changes

X1/X2/X3/X4/X5 Combined every 10 mins
X1 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Waterview Park - Washington - Gateshead Newcastle Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X2 - Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins) 
X4 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Rainton - Bournmoor - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X5 - Easington - Hetton - Houghton - Oxclose - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)

56/56A every 15 mins combined
56 - Sunderland - High Southwick - Rehouse - Townend Farm - Nissan - Concord - Usworth - Follingsby (continue as the 58 route) reduce the 58 to every 30 mins. - Eldon Square
56A - Sunderland - Southwick - Hylton Castle - Hertburn - Donwell - Springwell - QE - Gateshead - Newcastle Eldon Square

Andreos1



14,155
01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am #2,434
I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am #2,434

I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Unber43



3,533
01 Aug 2022, 11:35 am #2,435
(01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am)Andreos1 I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.
Would the 61X be an extra service? or running off the back of the 61D?
Unber43
01 Aug 2022, 11:35 am #2,435

(01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am)Andreos1 I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.
Would the 61X be an extra service? or running off the back of the 61D?

Andreos1



14,155
01 Aug 2022, 11:44 am #2,436
(01 Aug 2022, 11:35 am)Unber43 Would the 61X be an extra service? or running off the back of the 61D?
I reckon there could be a number of options.
A unit set up to operate these routes.
It could be ran separately prior to dropping on to and off other routes. 
It could run off the 61D.
Or, it could work on/off scholars.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
01 Aug 2022, 11:44 am #2,436

(01 Aug 2022, 11:35 am)Unber43 Would the 61X be an extra service? or running off the back of the 61D?
I reckon there could be a number of options.
A unit set up to operate these routes.
It could be ran separately prior to dropping on to and off other routes. 
It could run off the 61D.
Or, it could work on/off scholars.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Storx



4,481
01 Aug 2022, 11:53 am #2,437
(01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am)Andreos1 I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.

See personally I think they should make a workers network and interwork them with the local network to run peak services and actually advertise it rather than it being stupid numbers like 939.

Like for Team Valley

21 Every 15 Minutes All Day, 30 Mins to Durham

Morning Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
W91 - Newcastle - Team Valley Direct (First buses from Percy Main area maybe, possible 311 replacement?)
-- Run Empty --
21 - The Angel - Newcastle
(Repeat)

-- Do something else, maybe local services to Team Valley Retail World or add capacity to services like the 41/41A/311 etc --

Evening Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
21 - Newcastle - The Angel
-- Run Empty --
W91 - Team Valley - Newcastle Direct (Last runs returning to same place as above, possible 311 replacement?)
(Repeat)

It means there's a quick link to Team Valley and the core of the 21 get's a journey every 7.5 minutes when its needed rather than having buses running around empty all day.

Most the main employment sites are oddly quite close to core routes which are busy in one direction at peaks

Doxford Park (2/39/39A)
Cobalt (309/310/311)
Team Valley (21)
Follingsby (58)

or have local services around which don't really need that much morning capacity in particular away from the big city they serve which they could easily drop onto to give pensioners a better service.

Doxford Park (39B/82/84/85)
Cobalt (335/342/W1/W2)
Team Valley (25/28/29/67/69)
Follingsby (-)

Seems less confusing to me than variants.
Storx
01 Aug 2022, 11:53 am #2,437

(01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am)Andreos1 I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.

See personally I think they should make a workers network and interwork them with the local network to run peak services and actually advertise it rather than it being stupid numbers like 939.

Like for Team Valley

21 Every 15 Minutes All Day, 30 Mins to Durham

Morning Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
W91 - Newcastle - Team Valley Direct (First buses from Percy Main area maybe, possible 311 replacement?)
-- Run Empty --
21 - The Angel - Newcastle
(Repeat)

-- Do something else, maybe local services to Team Valley Retail World or add capacity to services like the 41/41A/311 etc --

Evening Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
21 - Newcastle - The Angel
-- Run Empty --
W91 - Team Valley - Newcastle Direct (Last runs returning to same place as above, possible 311 replacement?)
(Repeat)

It means there's a quick link to Team Valley and the core of the 21 get's a journey every 7.5 minutes when its needed rather than having buses running around empty all day.

Most the main employment sites are oddly quite close to core routes which are busy in one direction at peaks

Doxford Park (2/39/39A)
Cobalt (309/310/311)
Team Valley (21)
Follingsby (58)

or have local services around which don't really need that much morning capacity in particular away from the big city they serve which they could easily drop onto to give pensioners a better service.

Doxford Park (39B/82/84/85)
Cobalt (335/342/W1/W2)
Team Valley (25/28/29/67/69)
Follingsby (-)

Seems less confusing to me than variants.

01 Aug 2022, 3:52 pm #2,438
Perhaps GNE should look at reintroducing the old minilink route in Washington that had the W4 going through Donwell estate. It would only add a few minutes to the 85 route and it may help bring back a few customers. The recently axed 23, funded by Nexus, went through the estate and it was popular. Or at least was popular until Gateshead Central Taxis started to run an unreliable service and poeple gave up using it.

The old W4 used to pick up quite a few passengers in the estate. GNE in its wisdom scrapped this part of the route when bus services were "consolidated" in the 00s. Donwell also has a larger than average number of older residents so it will also be helpful to people who have mobility issues. It doesn't have to be every 85 that would serve the estate. Perhaps one per hour could run as the 85A and go through the estate.
Robbie64
01 Aug 2022, 3:52 pm #2,438

Perhaps GNE should look at reintroducing the old minilink route in Washington that had the W4 going through Donwell estate. It would only add a few minutes to the 85 route and it may help bring back a few customers. The recently axed 23, funded by Nexus, went through the estate and it was popular. Or at least was popular until Gateshead Central Taxis started to run an unreliable service and poeple gave up using it.

The old W4 used to pick up quite a few passengers in the estate. GNE in its wisdom scrapped this part of the route when bus services were "consolidated" in the 00s. Donwell also has a larger than average number of older residents so it will also be helpful to people who have mobility issues. It doesn't have to be every 85 that would serve the estate. Perhaps one per hour could run as the 85A and go through the estate.

V514DFT



2,224
01 Aug 2022, 8:00 pm #2,439
(01 Aug 2022, 3:52 pm)Robbie64 Perhaps GNE should look at reintroducing the old minilink route in Washington that had the W4 going through Donwell estate. It would only add a few minutes to the 85 route and it may help bring back a few customers. The recently axed 23, funded by Nexus, went through the estate and it was popular. Or at least was popular until Gateshead Central Taxis started to run an unreliable service and poeple gave up using it.

The old W4 used to pick up quite a few passengers in the estate. GNE in its wisdom scrapped this part of the route when bus services were "consolidated" in the 00s. Donwell also has a larger than average number of older residents so it will also be helpful to people who have mobility issues. It doesn't have to be every 85 that would serve the estate. Perhaps one per hour could run as the 85A and go through the estate.
I hear you, im 29,and when growing up,i remember being able to get a bus virtually anywhere,but sadly i think those times are long gone

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
01 Aug 2022, 8:00 pm #2,439

(01 Aug 2022, 3:52 pm)Robbie64 Perhaps GNE should look at reintroducing the old minilink route in Washington that had the W4 going through Donwell estate. It would only add a few minutes to the 85 route and it may help bring back a few customers. The recently axed 23, funded by Nexus, went through the estate and it was popular. Or at least was popular until Gateshead Central Taxis started to run an unreliable service and poeple gave up using it.

The old W4 used to pick up quite a few passengers in the estate. GNE in its wisdom scrapped this part of the route when bus services were "consolidated" in the 00s. Donwell also has a larger than average number of older residents so it will also be helpful to people who have mobility issues. It doesn't have to be every 85 that would serve the estate. Perhaps one per hour could run as the 85A and go through the estate.
I hear you, im 29,and when growing up,i remember being able to get a bus virtually anywhere,but sadly i think those times are long gone


Kind Regards
Tez

01 Aug 2022, 10:22 pm #2,440
Now boldon hasnt got a bus to heworth well nexus 558 thats it but i remember the old 26 blackcats to heworth from sunderland
Gonorth91
01 Aug 2022, 10:22 pm #2,440

Now boldon hasnt got a bus to heworth well nexus 558 thats it but i remember the old 26 blackcats to heworth from sunderland

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