Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(01 Aug 2022, 8:00 pm)V514DFT I hear you, im 29,and when growing up,i remember being able to get a bus virtually anywhere,but sadly i think those times are long gone
(01 Aug 2022, 8:00 pm)V514DFT I hear you, im 29,and when growing up,i remember being able to get a bus virtually anywhere,but sadly i think those times are long gone
(01 Aug 2022, 11:53 am)Storx See personally I think they should make a workers network and interwork them with the local network to run peak services and actually advertise it rather than it being stupid numbers like 939.Either or. Just something which is different to what we have now. That clearly doesn't work.
Like for Team Valley
21 Every 15 Minutes All Day, 30 Mins to Durham
Morning Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
W91 - Newcastle - Team Valley Direct (First buses from Percy Main area maybe, possible 311 replacement?)
-- Run Empty --
21 - The Angel - Newcastle
(Repeat)
-- Do something else, maybe local services to Team Valley Retail World or add capacity to services like the 41/41A/311 etc --
Evening Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
21 - Newcastle - The Angel
-- Run Empty --
W91 - Team Valley - Newcastle Direct (Last runs returning to same place as above, possible 311 replacement?)
(Repeat)
It means there's a quick link to Team Valley and the core of the 21 get's a journey every 7.5 minutes when its needed rather than having buses running around empty all day.
Most the main employment sites are oddly quite close to core routes which are busy in one direction at peaks
Doxford Park (2/39/39A)
Cobalt (309/310/311)
Team Valley (21)
Follingsby (58)
or have local services around which don't really need that much morning capacity in particular away from the big city they serve which they could easily drop onto to give pensioners a better service.
Doxford Park (39B/82/84/85)
Cobalt (335/342/W1/W2)
Team Valley (25/28/29/67/69)
Follingsby (-)
Seems less confusing to me than variants.
(01 Aug 2022, 11:53 am)Storx See personally I think they should make a workers network and interwork them with the local network to run peak services and actually advertise it rather than it being stupid numbers like 939.Either or. Just something which is different to what we have now. That clearly doesn't work.
Like for Team Valley
21 Every 15 Minutes All Day, 30 Mins to Durham
Morning Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
W91 - Newcastle - Team Valley Direct (First buses from Percy Main area maybe, possible 311 replacement?)
-- Run Empty --
21 - The Angel - Newcastle
(Repeat)
-- Do something else, maybe local services to Team Valley Retail World or add capacity to services like the 41/41A/311 etc --
Evening Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
21 - Newcastle - The Angel
-- Run Empty --
W91 - Team Valley - Newcastle Direct (Last runs returning to same place as above, possible 311 replacement?)
(Repeat)
It means there's a quick link to Team Valley and the core of the 21 get's a journey every 7.5 minutes when its needed rather than having buses running around empty all day.
Most the main employment sites are oddly quite close to core routes which are busy in one direction at peaks
Doxford Park (2/39/39A)
Cobalt (309/310/311)
Team Valley (21)
Follingsby (58)
or have local services around which don't really need that much morning capacity in particular away from the big city they serve which they could easily drop onto to give pensioners a better service.
Doxford Park (39B/82/84/85)
Cobalt (335/342/W1/W2)
Team Valley (25/28/29/67/69)
Follingsby (-)
Seems less confusing to me than variants.
(28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm)Unber43 Re-Do of Sunderland Network, Peterlee Network, Washington Network.PVR on X1-X5 would be covered by the spare Streetdecks which are now free.
Sunderland Changes
2/2A - Split between Silksworth and Washington, each terminating at Sunderland.
42/43 - Every 12 Mins, 3x 42, 2x 43.
42 - Sunderland Park Lane Stand C - Grangetown - Silksworth -
43 - Sunderland Park Land Stand C - Grangetown - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth
* It does the current route on Homeside one way towards Sunderland, then leaving Park lane on A1231 to Toward Road
2A/2B/2C Sunderland to Washington (every 10 mins combined)
2A - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Thorney Close - Tay Road - Grindon - Hastings Hill - Washington
2B - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Washington
2C - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Barmston - Washington
35 - Extension to Doxford Park (removal of the Royal Hospital part of the route)
37/38/39 Pennywell - Doxford Park
37 - Pennywell - Springwell - East Herrington - Doxford Park - Hall Farm - Tunstall Bank - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Sunderland - Millfield - Ford Estate - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
38 - Pennywell - Ford Estate - Milfield - Sunderland - Queen Alexandria Road - Ryhope - Tunstall Bank - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - East Herrington - Springwell - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
39 Sunderland - 33 Route to Silksworth - Doxford - Farringdon - Thorney - A690 - Hospital - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Hospital - A690 - Thorney - Farringdon - Doxford - 33 Route to Sunderland - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
X56 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park - 39B Washington - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
Peterlee Changes
61/61A - Sunderland - A690 - Queen Alexandria Road - Leechmere Asda - Hollicarside - New Seaham - Murton - Easington - Haswell (61) - Shotton - (61) - South Hetton (61A) - Bracket Hill - Peterlee Bus Station - 61 (209 route) 61A (210 Route).
X6 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Bowburn (amazon) - Durham every 30 mins
X2 Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
Washington Changes
X1/X2/X3/X4/X5 Combined every 10 mins
X1 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Waterview Park - Washington - Gateshead Newcastle Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X2 - Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X4 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Rainton - Bournmoor - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X5 - Easington - Hetton - Houghton - Oxclose - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
56/56A every 15 mins combined
56 - Sunderland - High Southwick - Rehouse - Townend Farm - Nissan - Concord - Usworth - Follingsby (continue as the 58 route) reduce the 58 to every 30 mins. - Eldon Square
56A - Sunderland - Southwick - Hylton Castle - Hertburn - Donwell - Springwell - QE - Gateshead - Newcastle Eldon Square
(28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm)Unber43 Re-Do of Sunderland Network, Peterlee Network, Washington Network.PVR on X1-X5 would be covered by the spare Streetdecks which are now free.
Sunderland Changes
2/2A - Split between Silksworth and Washington, each terminating at Sunderland.
42/43 - Every 12 Mins, 3x 42, 2x 43.
42 - Sunderland Park Lane Stand C - Grangetown - Silksworth -
43 - Sunderland Park Land Stand C - Grangetown - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth
* It does the current route on Homeside one way towards Sunderland, then leaving Park lane on A1231 to Toward Road
2A/2B/2C Sunderland to Washington (every 10 mins combined)
2A - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Thorney Close - Tay Road - Grindon - Hastings Hill - Washington
2B - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Washington
2C - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Barmston - Washington
35 - Extension to Doxford Park (removal of the Royal Hospital part of the route)
37/38/39 Pennywell - Doxford Park
37 - Pennywell - Springwell - East Herrington - Doxford Park - Hall Farm - Tunstall Bank - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Sunderland - Millfield - Ford Estate - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
38 - Pennywell - Ford Estate - Milfield - Sunderland - Queen Alexandria Road - Ryhope - Tunstall Bank - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - East Herrington - Springwell - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
39 Sunderland - 33 Route to Silksworth - Doxford - Farringdon - Thorney - A690 - Hospital - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Hospital - A690 - Thorney - Farringdon - Doxford - 33 Route to Sunderland - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
X56 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park - 39B Washington - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
Peterlee Changes
61/61A - Sunderland - A690 - Queen Alexandria Road - Leechmere Asda - Hollicarside - New Seaham - Murton - Easington - Haswell (61) - Shotton - (61) - South Hetton (61A) - Bracket Hill - Peterlee Bus Station - 61 (209 route) 61A (210 Route).
X6 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Bowburn (amazon) - Durham every 30 mins
X2 Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
Washington Changes
X1/X2/X3/X4/X5 Combined every 10 mins
X1 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Waterview Park - Washington - Gateshead Newcastle Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X2 - Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X4 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Rainton - Bournmoor - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X5 - Easington - Hetton - Houghton - Oxclose - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
56/56A every 15 mins combined
56 - Sunderland - High Southwick - Rehouse - Townend Farm - Nissan - Concord - Usworth - Follingsby (continue as the 58 route) reduce the 58 to every 30 mins. - Eldon Square
56A - Sunderland - Southwick - Hylton Castle - Hertburn - Donwell - Springwell - QE - Gateshead - Newcastle Eldon Square
(04 Aug 2022, 1:07 pm)Unber43 PVR on X1-X5 would be covered by the spare Streetdecks which are now free.
(04 Aug 2022, 1:07 pm)Unber43 PVR on X1-X5 would be covered by the spare Streetdecks which are now free.
I'm only going to propose a hourly service here because of driver shortages.
New Service 80:
Newcastle Eldon Square
Newcastle Central Station
Team Valley North End
Team Valley Retail World
Team Valley South End
Birtley Northside Estate
Birtley Station Lane
Barley Mow Dorset Avenue
Ayton Dunnock Drive
Lambton Village Centre
Washington Galleries
Pros
Would Replace 91 Between Newcastle & Team Valley
Would Replace 82A Birtley - Washington
Would Replace TB14 Birtley - Northside
Would Provide Direct Links from Washington, Barley Mow & Birtley to Team Valley.
Would Operate With a PVR of 2.
This is a revision of my earlier post (#2,445)
New Service 80 (Every 30 Mins)
Newcastle, Team Valley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Biddick, Fallowfield Way, Fatfield Bridge, A182, Shiney Row, Success, Fence Houses, Rainton Bridge, Hetton Park Estate, Easington Lane
New Service 80A (Hourly)
Newcastle, Team Valley, Northside Estate, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Barmston (Waskerley Road), Peel, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave (Station Road), Concord
New Service 80B (Hourly)
Newcastle, Team Valley, Kibblesworth, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Barmston (Waskerley Road), Peel, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave (Station Road), Concord
I'm not 100% sure on vehicle allocation and any suggestions would be welcome.
Please note the total PVR of all three is 12.
I think GNE should extend the 20 through Farringdon, Thorney on the A690 to give the X20 more of an express feel, as I always thought the X20 only took 40 mins, however It actually takes 50 mins and the 20 takes 59 mins, not really that much of an express between Sunderland & Durham
(11 Aug 2022, 9:31 pm)Unber43 I think GNE should extend the 20 through Farringdon, Thorney on the A690 to give the X20 more of an express feel, as I always thought the X20 only took 40 mins, however It actually takes 50 mins and the 20 takes 59 mins, not really that much of an express between Sunderland & DurhamWont be long and the X20 will probably get scrapped with the 20 extended to Langley park every 30 mins as a 20A also running via rainton bridge to save the complaints, seems pointless having so many buses on the same corridor to Durham
(11 Aug 2022, 9:31 pm)Unber43 I think GNE should extend the 20 through Farringdon, Thorney on the A690 to give the X20 more of an express feel, as I always thought the X20 only took 40 mins, however It actually takes 50 mins and the 20 takes 59 mins, not really that much of an express between Sunderland & DurhamWont be long and the X20 will probably get scrapped with the 20 extended to Langley park every 30 mins as a 20A also running via rainton bridge to save the complaints, seems pointless having so many buses on the same corridor to Durham
(11 Aug 2022, 9:47 pm)N1cholas Wont be long and the X20 will probably get scrapped with the 20 extended to Langley park every 30 mins as a 20A also running via rainton bridge to save the complaints, seems pointless having so many buses on the same corridor to DurhamI can't see the X20 getting scraped.
(11 Aug 2022, 9:47 pm)N1cholas Wont be long and the X20 will probably get scrapped with the 20 extended to Langley park every 30 mins as a 20A also running via rainton bridge to save the complaints, seems pointless having so many buses on the same corridor to DurhamI can't see the X20 getting scraped.
(14 Aug 2022, 3:39 pm)F114TML Don't think Stagecoach would be too happy about that tbh. Aside from a bus to Durham via everywhere, what would that offer over the E1/2/6?Connection to the beach from Sunderland, just an added connection for thoses who live in Sunderland/Surrounding areas who have GNE tickets.
(14 Aug 2022, 3:39 pm)F114TML Don't think Stagecoach would be too happy about that tbh. Aside from a bus to Durham via everywhere, what would that offer over the E1/2/6?Connection to the beach from Sunderland, just an added connection for thoses who live in Sunderland/Surrounding areas who have GNE tickets.
(14 Aug 2022, 4:00 pm)F114TML A connection that already exists on 4 Stagecoach routes (3 ecos, and the 18 Mon-Sat/23 Sun). If you're doing it for the benefit of those in, say, Ryhope, who don't have a Stagecoach service, wouldn't it be better to extend the 60?Maybe however for people coming from Houghton, Murton, Seaham.
(14 Aug 2022, 4:00 pm)F114TML A connection that already exists on 4 Stagecoach routes (3 ecos, and the 18 Mon-Sat/23 Sun). If you're doing it for the benefit of those in, say, Ryhope, who don't have a Stagecoach service, wouldn't it be better to extend the 60?Maybe however for people coming from Houghton, Murton, Seaham.
(14 Aug 2022, 3:00 pm)Unber43 On Sundays Extend the 50 to Sunderland via Whitburn & Seaburn.If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fast
(14 Aug 2022, 3:00 pm)Unber43 On Sundays Extend the 50 to Sunderland via Whitburn & Seaburn.If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fast
(14 Aug 2022, 4:09 pm)ifm001 If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fastYep and then you would have to put a service to Langley Park, maybe you do do the 65 back hourly and extend that to Langley.
Similar to X20 but that doesn't do Sunderland on a Sunday does it?
(14 Aug 2022, 4:09 pm)ifm001 If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fastYep and then you would have to put a service to Langley Park, maybe you do do the 65 back hourly and extend that to Langley.
Similar to X20 but that doesn't do Sunderland on a Sunday does it?
(14 Aug 2022, 4:09 pm)ifm001 If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fastOr just extend the X20 to Shields, limited stop along the coast?
Similar to X20 but that doesn't do Sunderland on a Sunday does it?
(14 Aug 2022, 4:09 pm)ifm001 If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fastOr just extend the X20 to Shields, limited stop along the coast?
Similar to X20 but that doesn't do Sunderland on a Sunday does it?
(14 Aug 2022, 4:11 pm)F114TML Or just extend the X20 to Shields, limited stop along the coast?South Shields was the original terminus of the X20 when it was first introduced back in 97/98, got truncated at Park Lane on favour of increased 535/536 at the time.
