Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?I can't understand these posts either, can say we can provide shuttles or use Metro all we want but many people absolutely hate making changes in their journeys, I know people who would sooner get train journeys that have a longer journey time just to avoid having to change train at a station, tbh half the time when I connect from X12/X21 from Durham and intend to catch a X66 I want to cut across the road where the X10 stand is as the thought of walking right round Gateshead Interchange is unappealing to me.
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?I can't understand these posts either, can say we can provide shuttles or use Metro all we want but many people absolutely hate making changes in their journeys, I know people who would sooner get train journeys that have a longer journey time just to avoid having to change train at a station, tbh half the time when I connect from X12/X21 from Durham and intend to catch a X66 I want to cut across the road where the X10 stand is as the thought of walking right round Gateshead Interchange is unappealing to me.
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(04 Jan 2020, 10:38 pm)Andreos1 To be honest, it was more do-able when there were direct services between home and Newcastle.I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Relying on an X1 during rush hour (with or without bags) is a gamble and can be very tedious.
Interesting you mention the bags.
Having 2 changes or 3 isn't so much the issue when lugging about bags.
The luggage space (or lack of), influences my decision to drive in/out over the bus.
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(04 Jan 2020, 11:01 pm)S830OFT With the Clean Air Zone in place from 2021 here is my suggestion for services...Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
Services at Gateshead operating to Newcastle will only Set Down at Stand N in Gateshead Interchange, passengers from Gateshead will be able to use an affordable £1.00 shuttle service which will operate every 5 to 10 minutes via the Sage & Swing Bridge to Newcastle Market Street & Central Station offering frequent links to the Quayside. The service will return via the Redheugh Bridge, although the services will operate both clockwise & anti-clockwise.
To enforce the Set Down rule a staff member will be present to instruct potential passengers to use the Shuttle service from Stand H. Services 1/1A/1B will also offer the £1.00 deal for any passengers travelling to Newcastle only.
Exceptions will apply to Coaster services 1/1A/1B which will continue to allow passengers to travel to and beyond Newcastle.
Service Q1/Q2 will be replaced by the shuttle services, this will offer an increased amount of buses to the Quayside from Gateshead and Newcastle.
The Gateshead | Wrekenton | Heworth section will revert back to services 51/52, these services will be similar to how the 93/94 operate...
The Shuttle service will operate using Electric Euro 6 vehicles...
Currently it's not confirmed what services are not going to operate to Newcastle when the CAZ is put in place, although the shuttle service should assist with transporting passengers just wanting to cross to Newcastle from Gateshead, this should take the load off long distance services which are usually already busy before reaching Gateshead.
Additionaly, if Nexus were agree to this proposal they could use their Interchange Staff & Security Members to enforce the Set Down rule. Although this may have problems for Arriva if they are still operating the X12 to Newcastle in 2021...
(04 Jan 2020, 10:38 pm)Andreos1 To be honest, it was more do-able when there were direct services between home and Newcastle.I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Relying on an X1 during rush hour (with or without bags) is a gamble and can be very tedious.
Interesting you mention the bags.
Having 2 changes or 3 isn't so much the issue when lugging about bags.
The luggage space (or lack of), influences my decision to drive in/out over the bus.
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(04 Jan 2020, 11:01 pm)S830OFT With the Clean Air Zone in place from 2021 here is my suggestion for services...Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
Services at Gateshead operating to Newcastle will only Set Down at Stand N in Gateshead Interchange, passengers from Gateshead will be able to use an affordable £1.00 shuttle service which will operate every 5 to 10 minutes via the Sage & Swing Bridge to Newcastle Market Street & Central Station offering frequent links to the Quayside. The service will return via the Redheugh Bridge, although the services will operate both clockwise & anti-clockwise.
To enforce the Set Down rule a staff member will be present to instruct potential passengers to use the Shuttle service from Stand H. Services 1/1A/1B will also offer the £1.00 deal for any passengers travelling to Newcastle only.
Exceptions will apply to Coaster services 1/1A/1B which will continue to allow passengers to travel to and beyond Newcastle.
Service Q1/Q2 will be replaced by the shuttle services, this will offer an increased amount of buses to the Quayside from Gateshead and Newcastle.
The Gateshead | Wrekenton | Heworth section will revert back to services 51/52, these services will be similar to how the 93/94 operate...
The Shuttle service will operate using Electric Euro 6 vehicles...
Currently it's not confirmed what services are not going to operate to Newcastle when the CAZ is put in place, although the shuttle service should assist with transporting passengers just wanting to cross to Newcastle from Gateshead, this should take the load off long distance services which are usually already busy before reaching Gateshead.
Additionaly, if Nexus were agree to this proposal they could use their Interchange Staff & Security Members to enforce the Set Down rule. Although this may have problems for Arriva if they are still operating the X12 to Newcastle in 2021...
If you've already inconvenienced your passengers by making them change at Gateshead onto a shuttle, why would you want to then inconvenience them further by making that shuttle go via everywhere rather than the direct run to Eldon Square that they've been used to?
And why would you also want to charge them more for the privilege of a longer, more annoying journey?
(04 Jan 2020, 11:01 pm)S830OFT With the Clean Air Zone in place from 2021 here is my suggestion for services...
Services at Gateshead operating to Newcastle will only Set Down at Stand N in Gateshead Interchange, passengers from Gateshead will be able to use an affordable £1.00 shuttle service which will operate every 5 to 10 minutes via the Sage & Swing Bridge to Newcastle Market Street & Central Station offering frequent links to the Quayside. The service will return via the Redheugh Bridge, although the services will operate both clockwise & anti-clockwise.
To enforce the Set Down rule a staff member will be present to instruct potential passengers to use the Shuttle service from Stand H. Services 1/1A/1B will also offer the £1.00 deal for any passengers travelling to Newcastle only.
Exceptions will apply to Coaster services 1/1A/1B which will continue to allow passengers to travel to and beyond Newcastle.
Service Q1/Q2 will be replaced by the shuttle services, this will offer an increased amount of buses to the Quayside from Gateshead and Newcastle.
The Gateshead | Wrekenton | Heworth section will revert back to services 51/52, these services will be similar to how the 93/94 operate...
The Shuttle service will operate using Electric Euro 6 vehicles...
Currently it's not confirmed what services are not going to operate to Newcastle when the CAZ is put in place, although the shuttle service should assist with transporting passengers just wanting to cross to Newcastle from Gateshead, this should take the load off long distance services which are usually already busy before reaching Gateshead.
Additionaly, if Nexus were agree to this proposal they could use their Interchange Staff & Security Members to enforce the Set Down rule. Although this may have problems for Arriva if they are still operating the X12 to Newcastle in 2021...
(05 Jan 2020, 12:48 am)BusLoverMum I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
(04 Jan 2020, 11:01 pm)S830OFT With the Clean Air Zone in place from 2021 here is my suggestion for services...
Services at Gateshead operating to Newcastle will only Set Down at Stand N in Gateshead Interchange, passengers from Gateshead will be able to use an affordable £1.00 shuttle service which will operate every 5 to 10 minutes via the Sage & Swing Bridge to Newcastle Market Street & Central Station offering frequent links to the Quayside. The service will return via the Redheugh Bridge, although the services will operate both clockwise & anti-clockwise.
To enforce the Set Down rule a staff member will be present to instruct potential passengers to use the Shuttle service from Stand H. Services 1/1A/1B will also offer the £1.00 deal for any passengers travelling to Newcastle only.
Exceptions will apply to Coaster services 1/1A/1B which will continue to allow passengers to travel to and beyond Newcastle.
Service Q1/Q2 will be replaced by the shuttle services, this will offer an increased amount of buses to the Quayside from Gateshead and Newcastle.
The Gateshead | Wrekenton | Heworth section will revert back to services 51/52, these services will be similar to how the 93/94 operate...
The Shuttle service will operate using Electric Euro 6 vehicles...
Currently it's not confirmed what services are not going to operate to Newcastle when the CAZ is put in place, although the shuttle service should assist with transporting passengers just wanting to cross to Newcastle from Gateshead, this should take the load off long distance services which are usually already busy before reaching Gateshead.
Additionaly, if Nexus were agree to this proposal they could use their Interchange Staff & Security Members to enforce the Set Down rule. Although this may have problems for Arriva if they are still operating the X12 to Newcastle in 2021...
(05 Jan 2020, 12:48 am)BusLoverMum I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(05 Jan 2020, 12:48 am)BusLoverMum I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
(04 Jan 2020, 11:06 pm)Adrian Isn't it crazy that we're even talking about reducing services into Newcastle, because of the introduction of a clean air zone?
We should be talking about increasing services., and asking questions why buses are being used as a scapegoat, whilst private cars are getting away without being held to account.
(05 Jan 2020, 12:48 am)BusLoverMum I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
(05 Jan 2020, 11:59 am)Andreos1 Playing devil's advocate here. But why would you increase the number of buses following each other in and out of the city centre?
Beyond the peaks, they can often carry fresh air and seeing an X1 follow a 28, 56 and 57 all the way down Old Durham Road, in and out of Gateshead and then over the Tyne Bridge isn't a sight a financial planner would want to see happen.
I shared this link previously and (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...n-15893433) you can see where each and every hot spot is. Is it coincidence that the hot spots are where there's usually queues of buses at?
I can see the benefits of stopping some services at Gateshead - but certainly not all.
I can also see the benefits of offering some sort of variation to routes in and out of Newcastle. Avoiding the hot spots identified too perhaps.
As appealing as it may be, I need somewhere to park my 4 bags too.
(05 Jan 2020, 11:59 am)Andreos1 Playing devil's advocate here. But why would you increase the number of buses following each other in and out of the city centre?
Beyond the peaks, they can often carry fresh air and seeing an X1 follow a 28, 56 and 57 all the way down Old Durham Road, in and out of Gateshead and then over the Tyne Bridge isn't a sight a financial planner would want to see happen.
I shared this link previously and (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...n-15893433) you can see where each and every hot spot is. Is it coincidence that the hot spots are where there's usually queues of buses at?
I can see the benefits of stopping some services at Gateshead - but certainly not all.
I can also see the benefits of offering some sort of variation to routes in and out of Newcastle. Avoiding the hot spots identified too perhaps.
As appealing as it may be, I need somewhere to park my 4 bags too.
I really don't see the big deal about alighting at gateshead to catch another form of transport ( be it another bus or metro) GNE don't have any qualms about stopping a service at Gateshead and kicking the passengers off cause the bus is running late. In the last year i'd say this has happened to me several times and I wouldn't say i'm a regular bus traveller!
(05 Jan 2020, 12:47 pm)Rob44 I really don't see the big deal about alighting at gateshead to catch another form of transport ( be it another bus or metro) GNE don't have any qualms about stopping a service at Gateshead and kicking the passengers off cause the bus is running late. In the last year i'd say this has happened to me several times and I wouldn't say i'm a regular bus traveller!
(05 Jan 2020, 12:47 pm)Rob44 I really don't see the big deal about alighting at gateshead to catch another form of transport ( be it another bus or metro) GNE don't have any qualms about stopping a service at Gateshead and kicking the passengers off cause the bus is running late. In the last year i'd say this has happened to me several times and I wouldn't say i'm a regular bus traveller!
But then we'll only get moaning by people on here, that they have to change buses for Newcastle, but then the buses heading to Newcastle might be delayed due to the traffic, because the traffic won't go away by terminating buses at Gateshead!
They wanted to do that with the 56 years ago, miss out Gateshead interchange and a high number of passengers said no, so they didn't bother changing it.
(05 Jan 2020, 12:47 pm)Rob44 I really don't see the big deal about alighting at gateshead to catch another form of transport ( be it another bus or metro) GNE don't have any qualms about stopping a service at Gateshead and kicking the passengers off cause the bus is running late. In the last year i'd say this has happened to me several times and I wouldn't say i'm a regular bus traveller!
(05 Jan 2020, 1:00 pm)Michael But then we'll only get moaning by people on here, that they have to change buses for Newcastle, but then the buses heading to Newcastle might be delayed due to the traffic, because the traffic won't go away by terminating buses at Gateshead!
They wanted to do that with the 56 years ago, miss out Gateshead interchange and a high number of passengers said no, so they didn't bother changing it.
(05 Jan 2020, 12:47 pm)Rob44 I really don't see the big deal about alighting at gateshead to catch another form of transport ( be it another bus or metro) GNE don't have any qualms about stopping a service at Gateshead and kicking the passengers off cause the bus is running late. In the last year i'd say this has happened to me several times and I wouldn't say i'm a regular bus traveller!
(05 Jan 2020, 1:00 pm)Michael But then we'll only get moaning by people on here, that they have to change buses for Newcastle, but then the buses heading to Newcastle might be delayed due to the traffic, because the traffic won't go away by terminating buses at Gateshead!
They wanted to do that with the 56 years ago, miss out Gateshead interchange and a high number of passengers said no, so they didn't bother changing it.
(05 Jan 2020, 1:00 pm)Michael But then we'll only get moaning by people on here, that they have to change buses for Newcastle, but then the buses heading to Newcastle might be delayed due to the traffic, because the traffic won't go away by terminating buses at Gateshead!
They wanted to do that with the 56 years ago, miss out Gateshead interchange and a high number of passengers said no, so they didn't bother changing it.
Oooh, please sir! 56 to Newcastle omitting Gateshead, 56A to terminus Gateshead Interchange
(05 Jan 2020, 1:00 pm)Michael But then we'll only get moaning by people on here, that they have to change buses for Newcastle, but then the buses heading to Newcastle might be delayed due to the traffic, because the traffic won't go away by terminating buses at Gateshead!
They wanted to do that with the 56 years ago, miss out Gateshead interchange and a high number of passengers said no, so they didn't bother changing it.
Oooh, please sir! 56 to Newcastle omitting Gateshead, 56A to terminus Gateshead Interchange
You might aswell have all services to Newcastle with a prefix of an X before the number and normal to Gateshead. Instead of an A.
You might aswell have all services to Newcastle with a prefix of an X before the number and normal to Gateshead. Instead of an A.
This will never happen, normal passengers are not going to be prepared to get off in Gateshead to catch another bus or metro to Newcastle, bring back deregulation
How long is this conversation going to go on for it’s like a broken record each day
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(05 Jan 2020, 1:00 pm)Michael But then we'll only get moaning by people on here, that they have to change buses for Newcastle, but then the buses heading to Newcastle might be delayed due to the traffic, because the traffic won't go away by terminating buses at Gateshead!
They wanted to do that with the 56 years ago, miss out Gateshead interchange and a high number of passengers said no, so they didn't bother changing it.
(05 Jan 2020, 1:00 pm)Michael But then we'll only get moaning by people on here, that they have to change buses for Newcastle, but then the buses heading to Newcastle might be delayed due to the traffic, because the traffic won't go away by terminating buses at Gateshead!
They wanted to do that with the 56 years ago, miss out Gateshead interchange and a high number of passengers said no, so they didn't bother changing it.
(04 Jan 2020, 9:34 pm)OrangeArrow49 I think free shuttles would be a great idea - how does this work in Manchester? Who is going to operate/fund the free shuttles?Not sure how it works in Manchester. But it does. They have operated for a number of years now. Guessing TfM must be footing the bill. But they serve the main rail stations of Picadilly. Victoria and Oxford Road, The bus stations of Shudehill and Picadilly Gardens, the coach station at Chorlton Street is a short walk from one of the stops and of course they observe the main shopping areas also.
I think reducing the number of vehicles into the City Centre is a good idea, and certainly achievable. Bus operators would lose revenue on services along those corridors, but it could work. Services could terminate at Gateshead, with shuttles linking Gateshead with Newcastle and the West End, like Regent Centre & Gosforth. A number of bus services would still need to exist, such as Stagecoach expresses and services passing through, such as the 12 and 39/40 to Walker/Wallsend and 62/63 to Killingworth. There would still be a number of buses in town, but far less.
(04 Jan 2020, 9:34 pm)OrangeArrow49 I think free shuttles would be a great idea - how does this work in Manchester? Who is going to operate/fund the free shuttles?Not sure how it works in Manchester. But it does. They have operated for a number of years now. Guessing TfM must be footing the bill. But they serve the main rail stations of Picadilly. Victoria and Oxford Road, The bus stations of Shudehill and Picadilly Gardens, the coach station at Chorlton Street is a short walk from one of the stops and of course they observe the main shopping areas also.
I think reducing the number of vehicles into the City Centre is a good idea, and certainly achievable. Bus operators would lose revenue on services along those corridors, but it could work. Services could terminate at Gateshead, with shuttles linking Gateshead with Newcastle and the West End, like Regent Centre & Gosforth. A number of bus services would still need to exist, such as Stagecoach expresses and services passing through, such as the 12 and 39/40 to Walker/Wallsend and 62/63 to Killingworth. There would still be a number of buses in town, but far less.
(05 Jan 2020, 1:25 pm)cbma06
This will never happen, normal passengers are not going to be prepared to get off in Gateshead to catch another bus or metro to Newcastle, bring back deregulation
How long is this conversation going to go on for it’s like a broken record each day
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(05 Jan 2020, 1:25 pm)cbma06
This will never happen, normal passengers are not going to be prepared to get off in Gateshead to catch another bus or metro to Newcastle, bring back deregulation
How long is this conversation going to go on for it’s like a broken record each day
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(05 Jan 2020, 12:48 am)BusLoverMum I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
Most people will know not go to Stand N once it is advertised...
(05 Jan 2020, 12:48 am)BusLoverMum I'm often a double seat hogger on the X21. Yeah, you can sit with me, I'm sure you'll be quite comfortable huddled up here with me and my 4 bags. Park a cheek, why don't you.
Exactly. Even a 10 year old bus can't be as polluting as 40 cars.
Hmmm. Hundreds of passengers per hour, walking from stand N to stand H. What could possibly go wrong? (Not saying that this is how Saturday's incident happened, but what are the odds?)
Most people will know not go to Stand N once it is advertised...
(05 Jan 2020, 1:41 pm)OrangeArrow49 Point is, they are now when GNE force people off to change at Gateshead towards Newcastle, and start buses at Gateshead requiring a bus from Newcastle to Gateshead. Make it planned rather than unexpected poor service. No extra cost, minor inconvenience. We could have SOME buses to Newcastle, others not. Make changes optional, improve reliability, reduce traffic congestion. Can't please everyone of course, but a compromise is achievable.
(05 Jan 2020, 1:41 pm)OrangeArrow49 Point is, they are now when GNE force people off to change at Gateshead towards Newcastle, and start buses at Gateshead requiring a bus from Newcastle to Gateshead. Make it planned rather than unexpected poor service. No extra cost, minor inconvenience. We could have SOME buses to Newcastle, others not. Make changes optional, improve reliability, reduce traffic congestion. Can't please everyone of course, but a compromise is achievable.
