Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(02 Sep 2021, 6:27 pm)Storx The 15 plates aren't Euro 6 though and there's not enough ex Durham Diamond Streetlites for the 51/52 either. There might be enough but I don't believe there is without going into the 49 Streetlites with the 6 and 12 added to the mix.What is the PVR for 12/12A/6/51/52/49/A/C
(02 Sep 2021, 6:27 pm)Storx The 15 plates aren't Euro 6 though and there's not enough ex Durham Diamond Streetlites for the 51/52 either. There might be enough but I don't believe there is without going into the 49 Streetlites with the 6 and 12 added to the mix.What is the PVR for 12/12A/6/51/52/49/A/C
(02 Sep 2021, 6:27 pm)Storx The 15 plates aren't Euro 6 though and there's not enough ex Durham Diamond Streetlites for the 51/52 either. There might be enough but I don't believe there is without going into the 49 Streetlites with the 6 and 12 added to the mix.
(02 Sep 2021, 7:02 pm)Keeiajs What is the PVR for 12/12A/6/51/52/49/A/C
(02 Sep 2021, 6:27 pm)Storx The 15 plates aren't Euro 6 though and there's not enough ex Durham Diamond Streetlites for the 51/52 either. There might be enough but I don't believe there is without going into the 49 Streetlites with the 6 and 12 added to the mix.
(02 Sep 2021, 7:02 pm)Keeiajs What is the PVR for 12/12A/6/51/52/49/A/C
(02 Sep 2021, 10:13 pm)peter I have PVR of 51/52 as 11, 6/12/12A as 10 and 49/49A as 757 are getting E10's I think.
My prediction
5442-5450 from Durham Diamond to Orbit joined by 5451/52
This leaves 10 Euro 6 buses 5453-5462 for the 6/12/12A
Then 5412-5419 could go to Riverside for the 49/49A with 5276-5283 going the other way keeping the Citaro's at Deptford and meaning the 49/49A are not 'downgraded'. That would leave 5463-5469 as 7 buses for the PVR of 7 on the 57.
(02 Sep 2021, 10:13 pm)peter I have PVR of 51/52 as 11, 6/12/12A as 10 and 49/49A as 757 are getting E10's I think.
My prediction
5442-5450 from Durham Diamond to Orbit joined by 5451/52
This leaves 10 Euro 6 buses 5453-5462 for the 6/12/12A
Then 5412-5419 could go to Riverside for the 49/49A with 5276-5283 going the other way keeping the Citaro's at Deptford and meaning the 49/49A are not 'downgraded'. That would leave 5463-5469 as 7 buses for the PVR of 7 on the 57.
(02 Sep 2021, 10:13 pm)peter I have PVR of 51/52 as 11, 6/12/12A as 10 and 49/49A as 7
My prediction
5442-5450 from Durham Diamond to Orbit joined by 5451/52
This leaves 10 Euro 6 buses 5453-5462 for the 6/12/12A
Then 5412-5419 could go to Riverside for the 49/49A with 5276-5283 going the other way keeping the Citaro's at Deptford and meaning the 49/49A are not 'downgraded'. That would leave 5463-5469 as 7 buses for the PVR of 7 on the 57.
(02 Sep 2021, 10:13 pm)peter I have PVR of 51/52 as 11, 6/12/12A as 10 and 49/49A as 7
My prediction
5442-5450 from Durham Diamond to Orbit joined by 5451/52
This leaves 10 Euro 6 buses 5453-5462 for the 6/12/12A
Then 5412-5419 could go to Riverside for the 49/49A with 5276-5283 going the other way keeping the Citaro's at Deptford and meaning the 49/49A are not 'downgraded'. That would leave 5463-5469 as 7 buses for the PVR of 7 on the 57.
(02 Sep 2021, 10:53 pm)Storx Yeah had a feeling it would be tight like that. There does seem to be a few Streetlites unallocated atm as the ex Red Kite ones don't seem to have a route with everything in Sunderland being Merc / Versa or Solo so could be very likely.
Be interesting to see what the plans are for the rest of the ex Quaylink and M's Versa's aswell as there appears to be a fair few with no-where to go aswell. CLS for the 34 could be a good shout though to push the rest of ex Saltwell Park's to Deptford which could push out a few newer Streetlites aswell maybe.
(02 Sep 2021, 10:53 pm)Storx Yeah had a feeling it would be tight like that. There does seem to be a few Streetlites unallocated atm as the ex Red Kite ones don't seem to have a route with everything in Sunderland being Merc / Versa or Solo so could be very likely.
Be interesting to see what the plans are for the rest of the ex Quaylink and M's Versa's aswell as there appears to be a fair few with no-where to go aswell. CLS for the 34 could be a good shout though to push the rest of ex Saltwell Park's to Deptford which could push out a few newer Streetlites aswell maybe.
Create a New leg of the 56. X56, Sunderland - Washington - Heworth - Gateshead - MetroCentre. Every 30 Mins. (NX56 aswell)
Also when the IMAX Cinema has 00:00 premieres such as for Spider Man Far From Home, have a X66 Double Decker from MetroCentre interchange, not the main bulding but the stand out side the blue mall before the escalator. To link with a 56/21 to Durham and Sunderland
The new 62 takes a bit of an odd route round Seaham Town Centre towards Peterlee serving Byron Place/Interchange twice at Stand E and Stand C. It makes sense for the Sunderland bound bus to use Stand D (that way all buses to Sunderland 60, 62, X6 depart at the same place) but no reason for the Peterlee bound service to use the Parkside bound Stand E as well as Stand C. The X6 uses Stand E but that’s just to keep it quick along the coast and heading in the correct direction, not an issue with the 62 as it goes up North Railway Street to get to Dawdon in any case.
I’d have done this:
62 to Sunderland via Vane Terrace, Sophia Street, Viceroy Street, link road near Linthorpe Avenue, A182, Stand D, North Terrace. (Which is what I think it does)
62 to Peterlee via Tempest Road, Vane Terrace, Sophia Street, Viceroy Street, Stand C, North Railway Street, Castlereagh Road.
(07 Sep 2021, 10:46 am)cbma06 I’ve just looked at the 62 map, I thought it went the same route as the X6 between Dalton Park and Sunderland, blimey the 62 goes all over the place in Seaham, there might as well send the 62 via ParksideThey should, new connections from Parkside to Washington/Newcastle/Dalton Park/Middlesbrough/Hetton
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(07 Sep 2021, 10:46 am)cbma06 I’ve just looked at the 62 map, I thought it went the same route as the X6 between Dalton Park and Sunderland, blimey the 62 goes all over the place in Seaham, there might as well send the 62 via ParksideThey should, new connections from Parkside to Washington/Newcastle/Dalton Park/Middlesbrough/Hetton
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(07 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm)Keeiajs They should, new connections from Parkside to Washington/Newcastle/Dalton Park/Middlesbrough/Hetton
Also I have seen the 62 6 times in the last 2 days on the Sunderland leg it has been packed.
(07 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm)Keeiajs They should, new connections from Parkside to Washington/Newcastle/Dalton Park/Middlesbrough/Hetton
Also I have seen the 62 6 times in the last 2 days on the Sunderland leg it has been packed.
This is more an allocation suggestion but I would try and put full length single deckers on either the 82 or 84. You could then send the released solos to percy main to have additional spares for the 19, 41/41A & 42/42A.
(07 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm)Keeiajs They should, new connections from Parkside to Washington/Newcastle/Dalton Park/Middlesbrough/HettonWas on that yesterday and just put in another post that using small solos is not a good idea. I only used it between Peterlee and Dalton Park and it was full. Going just about everywhere possible between Peterlee and Dalton Park probably didn’t help there. They need to put bigger buses on there for definite.
Also I have seen the 62 6 times in the last 2 days on the Sunderland leg it has been packed.
(07 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm)Keeiajs They should, new connections from Parkside to Washington/Newcastle/Dalton Park/Middlesbrough/HettonWas on that yesterday and just put in another post that using small solos is not a good idea. I only used it between Peterlee and Dalton Park and it was full. Going just about everywhere possible between Peterlee and Dalton Park probably didn’t help there. They need to put bigger buses on there for definite.
Also I have seen the 62 6 times in the last 2 days on the Sunderland leg it has been packed.
If they extended the X1 to Hartlepool (apart from Dalton Park) you just about have the old X5 route back. My suggestion would be the X2 running alongside the X1 with it the same between Newcastle and Washington but then limited stop to Dalton park via Houghton Le spring and Easington Lane. Then from Dalton park to Hartlepool via A19 Hart Village, Bishop Cuthbert estate and Throston Grange. x2 would operate every 30 minutes to Dalton Park and every 60 to Hartlepool. This would replace two of the Current X1 services
(09 Sep 2021, 9:55 pm)col87 If they extended the X1 to Hartlepool (apart from Dalton Park) you just about have the old X5 route back. My suggestion would be the X2 running alongside the X1 with it the same between Newcastle and Washington but then limited stop to Dalton park via Houghton Le spring and Easington Lane. Then from Dalton park to Hartlepool via A19 Hart Village, Bishop Cuthbert estate and Throston Grange. x2 would operate every 30 minutes to Dalton Park and every 60 to Hartlepool. This would replace two of the Current X1 services
(09 Sep 2021, 9:55 pm)col87 If they extended the X1 to Hartlepool (apart from Dalton Park) you just about have the old X5 route back. My suggestion would be the X2 running alongside the X1 with it the same between Newcastle and Washington but then limited stop to Dalton park via Houghton Le spring and Easington Lane. Then from Dalton park to Hartlepool via A19 Hart Village, Bishop Cuthbert estate and Throston Grange. x2 would operate every 30 minutes to Dalton Park and every 60 to Hartlepool. This would replace two of the Current X1 services
(07 Sep 2021, 9:49 am)Drifter60 The new 62 takes a bit of an odd route round Seaham Town Centre towards Peterlee serving Byron Place/Interchange twice at Stand E and Stand C. It makes sense for the Sunderland bound bus to use Stand D (that way all buses to Sunderland 60, 62, X6 depart at the same place) but no reason for the Peterlee bound service to use the Parkside bound Stand E as well as Stand C. The X6 uses Stand E but that’s just to keep it quick along the coast and heading in the correct direction, not an issue with the 62 as it goes up North Railway Street to get to Dawdon in any case.I'd say keep the 62 on the Parkside/Peterlee Stand and instead of doubling back, when it comes round the back of Asda, take the right turn and go straight up past the PCC Towards Tempest Road
I’d have done this:
62 to Sunderland via Vane Terrace, Sophia Street, Viceroy Street, link road near Linthorpe Avenue, A182, Stand D, North Terrace. (Which is what I think it does)
62 to Peterlee via Tempest Road, Vane Terrace, Sophia Street, Viceroy Street, Stand C, North Railway Street, Castlereagh Road.
(07 Sep 2021, 9:49 am)Drifter60 The new 62 takes a bit of an odd route round Seaham Town Centre towards Peterlee serving Byron Place/Interchange twice at Stand E and Stand C. It makes sense for the Sunderland bound bus to use Stand D (that way all buses to Sunderland 60, 62, X6 depart at the same place) but no reason for the Peterlee bound service to use the Parkside bound Stand E as well as Stand C. The X6 uses Stand E but that’s just to keep it quick along the coast and heading in the correct direction, not an issue with the 62 as it goes up North Railway Street to get to Dawdon in any case.I'd say keep the 62 on the Parkside/Peterlee Stand and instead of doubling back, when it comes round the back of Asda, take the right turn and go straight up past the PCC Towards Tempest Road
I’d have done this:
62 to Sunderland via Vane Terrace, Sophia Street, Viceroy Street, link road near Linthorpe Avenue, A182, Stand D, North Terrace. (Which is what I think it does)
62 to Peterlee via Tempest Road, Vane Terrace, Sophia Street, Viceroy Street, Stand C, North Railway Street, Castlereagh Road.
(09 Sep 2021, 9:55 pm)col87 If they extended the X1 to Hartlepool (apart from Dalton Park) you just about have the old X5 route back. My suggestion would be the X2 running alongside the X1 with it the same between Newcastle and Washington but then limited stop to Dalton park via Houghton Le spring and Easington Lane. Then from Dalton park to Hartlepool via A19 Hart Village, Bishop Cuthbert estate and Throston Grange. x2 would operate every 30 minutes to Dalton Park and every 60 to Hartlepool. This would replace two of the Current X1 servicesThe problem is the original X5 while not always did do well enough. When it got changed to the X35 the route simply took to long and was going against the train which takes about 20 minutes and the much quicker 23. The X6 was hardly giving a chance and again having it in overcrowded Hartlepool - Sunderland service was just stupid. If go north east tried a limited stop express to Newcastle it could work unfortunately the only idea they had in the last decade was trying to make a Hartlepool- Sunderland service work. They did try the X11 but it was a few journeys on a Saturday without any publicity so nobody really knew it existed so of course failed. I still think an express service done properly to Newcastle from Hartlepool and not the half hearted efforts that where the X11 and X55 it could work. That idea is simple as it just a slight variation and extension on the existing X1 and I could see it been used.
(09 Sep 2021, 9:55 pm)col87 If they extended the X1 to Hartlepool (apart from Dalton Park) you just about have the old X5 route back. My suggestion would be the X2 running alongside the X1 with it the same between Newcastle and Washington but then limited stop to Dalton park via Houghton Le spring and Easington Lane. Then from Dalton park to Hartlepool via A19 Hart Village, Bishop Cuthbert estate and Throston Grange. x2 would operate every 30 minutes to Dalton Park and every 60 to Hartlepool. This would replace two of the Current X1 servicesThe problem is the original X5 while not always did do well enough. When it got changed to the X35 the route simply took to long and was going against the train which takes about 20 minutes and the much quicker 23. The X6 was hardly giving a chance and again having it in overcrowded Hartlepool - Sunderland service was just stupid. If go north east tried a limited stop express to Newcastle it could work unfortunately the only idea they had in the last decade was trying to make a Hartlepool- Sunderland service work. They did try the X11 but it was a few journeys on a Saturday without any publicity so nobody really knew it existed so of course failed. I still think an express service done properly to Newcastle from Hartlepool and not the half hearted efforts that where the X11 and X55 it could work. That idea is simple as it just a slight variation and extension on the existing X1 and I could see it been used.
(10 Sep 2021, 9:06 am)MrFozz I'd say keep the 62 on the Parkside/Peterlee Stand and instead of doubling back, when it comes round the back of Asda, take the right turn and go straight up past the PCC Towards Tempest Road
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(10 Sep 2021, 9:06 am)MrFozz I'd say keep the 62 on the Parkside/Peterlee Stand and instead of doubling back, when it comes round the back of Asda, take the right turn and go straight up past the PCC Towards Tempest Road
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(10 Sep 2021, 10:01 am)col87 The problem is the original X5 while not always did do well enough. When it got changed to the X35 the route simply took to long and was going against the train which takes about 20 minutes and the much quicker 23. The X6 was hardly giving a chance and again having it in overcrowded Hartlepool - Sunderland service was just stupid. If go north east tried a limited stop express to Newcastle it could work unfortunately the only idea they had in the last decade was trying to make a Hartlepool- Sunderland service work. They did try the X11 but it was a few journeys on a Saturday without any publicity so nobody really knew it existed so of course failed. I still think an express service done properly to Newcastle from Hartlepool and not the half hearted efforts that where the X11 and X55 it could work. That idea is simple as it just a slight variation and extension on the existing X1 and I could see it been used.
(10 Sep 2021, 10:01 am)col87 The problem is the original X5 while not always did do well enough. When it got changed to the X35 the route simply took to long and was going against the train which takes about 20 minutes and the much quicker 23. The X6 was hardly giving a chance and again having it in overcrowded Hartlepool - Sunderland service was just stupid. If go north east tried a limited stop express to Newcastle it could work unfortunately the only idea they had in the last decade was trying to make a Hartlepool- Sunderland service work. They did try the X11 but it was a few journeys on a Saturday without any publicity so nobody really knew it existed so of course failed. I still think an express service done properly to Newcastle from Hartlepool and not the half hearted efforts that where the X11 and X55 it could work. That idea is simple as it just a slight variation and extension on the existing X1 and I could see it been used.
(23 Aug 2021, 8:14 pm)V514DFT 61-59204 running through Gilesgate etc would be rather confusing with the exact same number as the arriva 64.
201-61
203-63
204/204A-64/64A
206-66
209-67
210-68
239- discuss about renumbering it 69
67-76
69/69B-77/77A
(23 Aug 2021, 8:14 pm)V514DFT 61-59204 running through Gilesgate etc would be rather confusing with the exact same number as the arriva 64.
201-61
203-63
204/204A-64/64A
206-66
209-67
210-68
239- discuss about renumbering it 69
67-76
69/69B-77/77A
(12 Sep 2021, 8:43 pm)James101 This suggestion comes up time and again but the fact is the geography of Hartlepool doesn't lend itself to a service ever working. The town sits out just too far to the east of the A19 to make diverting the X9/X10 worthwhile and although there is some demand, there will never be enough to sustain a stand alone express service. Once a service starts diverting up the Coast Road to Peterlee and Dalton Park the journey times are unattractive.
Such a journey would command a £8.50 X9/10 style ticket which is not going to stand up to a £9.50 return on the improved train service, which also has a catchment from Seaton Carew, encompassing part of South West Hartlepool.
It is a shame GNE abandoned their service too the town, which at it's core was a very long standing service. My thoughts are that if GNE went just a bit bolder in the Peterlee area and set up a fast Peterlee - Durham service they could really sway an awful lot of Arriva season ticket holders onto their network, justifying the interurban routes to Sunderland and Hartlepool.
Separately, the 62 & X6 run within a few minutes of each other between Dalton Park & Sunderland - would swapping the times of the 62 & 62A provide a more even service along this corridor?
(12 Sep 2021, 8:43 pm)James101 This suggestion comes up time and again but the fact is the geography of Hartlepool doesn't lend itself to a service ever working. The town sits out just too far to the east of the A19 to make diverting the X9/X10 worthwhile and although there is some demand, there will never be enough to sustain a stand alone express service. Once a service starts diverting up the Coast Road to Peterlee and Dalton Park the journey times are unattractive.
Such a journey would command a £8.50 X9/10 style ticket which is not going to stand up to a £9.50 return on the improved train service, which also has a catchment from Seaton Carew, encompassing part of South West Hartlepool.
It is a shame GNE abandoned their service too the town, which at it's core was a very long standing service. My thoughts are that if GNE went just a bit bolder in the Peterlee area and set up a fast Peterlee - Durham service they could really sway an awful lot of Arriva season ticket holders onto their network, justifying the interurban routes to Sunderland and Hartlepool.
Separately, the 62 & X6 run within a few minutes of each other between Dalton Park & Sunderland - would swapping the times of the 62 & 62A provide a more even service along this corridor?
