Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(03 Oct 2021, 7:40 pm)Andreos1 The one that jumps out to me is something from the Lanchester/Consett direction. Csnt see why an X5/X15 couldn't head down that way.Yes, I suppose it would work if something turned off through Witton Gilbert and/or sacriston. Not sure it would be able to use Potter House Lane, though so would probably have to head into fram and go round that way, so would end up on the same corridor as everything else. Meantime, those passengers can change at the hospital, anyhow, so don't gain a huge amount, other than not having to lug bags across the road. Alternatively, they can meet the x20 at some point.
I would also say that it would make a bit of sense to send one of the Stanley services in to the Arnison.
North/South is covered more than enough. Not sure the West or North West is.
(03 Oct 2021, 7:40 pm)Andreos1 The one that jumps out to me is something from the Lanchester/Consett direction. Csnt see why an X5/X15 couldn't head down that way.Yes, I suppose it would work if something turned off through Witton Gilbert and/or sacriston. Not sure it would be able to use Potter House Lane, though so would probably have to head into fram and go round that way, so would end up on the same corridor as everything else. Meantime, those passengers can change at the hospital, anyhow, so don't gain a huge amount, other than not having to lug bags across the road. Alternatively, they can meet the x20 at some point.
I would also say that it would make a bit of sense to send one of the Stanley services in to the Arnison.
North/South is covered more than enough. Not sure the West or North West is.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:03 pm)BusLoverMum Yes, I suppose it would work if something turned off through Witton Gilbert and/or sacriston. Not sure it would be able to use Potter House Lane, though so would probably have to head into fram and go round that way, so would end up on the same corridor as everything else. Meantime, those passengers can change at the hospital, anyhow, so don't gain a huge amount, other than not having to lug bags across the road. Alternatively, they can meet the x20 at some point.Its because of where they put that stupid McDonalds, But also it is 1 way. It is good for a terminus. However passing through going to Durham/Sunderland you need to go over to Lidl which is a pain.
One of the limiting factors for the arnison centre is that there's not that many ways in. Another is the choice between the bus stop next to Sainsburys and the bottleneck there or the ones by lidl that the 50 uses which are less convenient but less susceptible to delays.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:03 pm)BusLoverMum Yes, I suppose it would work if something turned off through Witton Gilbert and/or sacriston. Not sure it would be able to use Potter House Lane, though so would probably have to head into fram and go round that way, so would end up on the same corridor as everything else. Meantime, those passengers can change at the hospital, anyhow, so don't gain a huge amount, other than not having to lug bags across the road. Alternatively, they can meet the x20 at some point.Its because of where they put that stupid McDonalds, But also it is 1 way. It is good for a terminus. However passing through going to Durham/Sunderland you need to go over to Lidl which is a pain.
One of the limiting factors for the arnison centre is that there's not that many ways in. Another is the choice between the bus stop next to Sainsburys and the bottleneck there or the ones by lidl that the 50 uses which are less convenient but less susceptible to delays.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:11 pm)Keeiajs Its because of where they put that stupid McDonalds, But also it is 1 way. It is good for a terminus. However passing through going to Durham/Sunderland you need to go over to Lidl which is a pain.Haha. The boy racers couldn't get into macdonalds for the fuel queues, this week!
Just to add that, compared to any other retail park in the region, the arnison centre is very well served. It has a bus heading somewhere, every few minutes.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:11 pm)Keeiajs Its because of where they put that stupid McDonalds, But also it is 1 way. It is good for a terminus. However passing through going to Durham/Sunderland you need to go over to Lidl which is a pain.Haha. The boy racers couldn't get into macdonalds for the fuel queues, this week!
The only thing diversions into the likes of the Arnison Centre is increased journey times, passengers in Langley Park weren't best pleased that the more direct 13 service was replaced with the X20 (old 14) due to the increased journey time (but, but, Xlines... Better Than Ever?!).
I do think there is some potential for some more links to places like the Arnison Centre but some sadly do come at the cost of increased journey times although retail parks have been badly served for a long while especially in the North East, Team Valley retail Park is a bit of a walk away but Teesside Park has been the worst for years for poor accessibility by public transport where until the last few years aside from a half hourly bus from Stockton during the daytimes the nearest stopping service was the 36/37/38 with around 10 mins walk along a rather grim looking road next to the railway line.
As well as retail parks I think more services could be diverted into or at least near places of employment and education, I mean think even some X20 trips could be sent via Doxford International as from the Durham direction passengers are expected to get off on the main road with a bit of a walk to the site or change at Houghton to a 55 (assuming connection times even work well enough), Stagecoach diverting their X24 (as X24A) via Doxford hasn't done them any harm, if anything it's helped them as have actually seen people boarding the afternoon one there when I've been doing some spotting/observing there before.
Think there's still some more potential for some cross city links in Durham although more so with Arriva now than GNE such as sending either the 6 or 7 to the Arnison Centre.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:29 pm)Jimmi The only thing diversions into the likes of the Arnison Centre is increased journey times, passengers in Langley Park weren't best pleased that the more direct 13 service was replaced with the X20 (old 14) due to the increased journey time (but, but, Xlines... Better Than Ever?!).Tyneside Retail Park could benifit from a link to Hexham. But I also think Team Valley has been left for Death for about a decade really., that needs loads of regeneration.
I do think there is some potential for some more links to places like the Arnison Centre but some sadly do come at the cost of increased journey times although retail parks have been badly served for a long while especially in the North East, Team Valley retail Park is a bit of a walk away but Teesside Park has been the worst for years for poor accessibility by public transport where until the last few years aside from a half hourly bus from Stockton during the daytimes the nearest stopping service was the 36/37/38 with around 10 mins walk along a rather grim looking road next to the railway line.
As well as retail parks I think more services could be diverted into or at least near places of employment and education, I mean think even some X20 trips could be sent via Doxford International as from the Durham direction passengers are expected to get off on the main road with a bit of a walk to the site or change at Houghton to a 55 (assuming connection times even work well enough), Stagecoach diverting their X24 (as X24A) via Doxford hasn't done them any harm, if anything it's helped them as have actually seen people boarding the afternoon one there when I've been doing some spotting/observing there before.
Think there's still some more potential for some cross city links in Durham although more so with Arriva now than GNE such as sending either the 6 or 7 to the Arnison Centre.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:29 pm)Jimmi The only thing diversions into the likes of the Arnison Centre is increased journey times, passengers in Langley Park weren't best pleased that the more direct 13 service was replaced with the X20 (old 14) due to the increased journey time (but, but, Xlines... Better Than Ever?!).Tyneside Retail Park could benifit from a link to Hexham. But I also think Team Valley has been left for Death for about a decade really., that needs loads of regeneration.
I do think there is some potential for some more links to places like the Arnison Centre but some sadly do come at the cost of increased journey times although retail parks have been badly served for a long while especially in the North East, Team Valley retail Park is a bit of a walk away but Teesside Park has been the worst for years for poor accessibility by public transport where until the last few years aside from a half hourly bus from Stockton during the daytimes the nearest stopping service was the 36/37/38 with around 10 mins walk along a rather grim looking road next to the railway line.
As well as retail parks I think more services could be diverted into or at least near places of employment and education, I mean think even some X20 trips could be sent via Doxford International as from the Durham direction passengers are expected to get off on the main road with a bit of a walk to the site or change at Houghton to a 55 (assuming connection times even work well enough), Stagecoach diverting their X24 (as X24A) via Doxford hasn't done them any harm, if anything it's helped them as have actually seen people boarding the afternoon one there when I've been doing some spotting/observing there before.
Think there's still some more potential for some cross city links in Durham although more so with Arriva now than GNE such as sending either the 6 or 7 to the Arnison Centre.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:03 pm)BusLoverMum Yes, I suppose it would work if something turned off through Witton Gilbert and/or sacriston. Not sure it would be able to use Potter House Lane, though so would probably have to head into fram and go round that way, so would end up on the same corridor as everything else. Meantime, those passengers can change at the hospital, anyhow, so don't gain a huge amount, other than not having to lug bags across the road. Alternatively, they can meet the x20 at some point.
One of the limiting factors for the arnison centre is that there's not that many ways in. Another is the choice between the bus stop next to Sainsburys and the bottleneck there or the ones by lidl that the 50 uses which are less convenient but less susceptible to delays.
(03 Oct 2021, 10:03 pm)BusLoverMum Yes, I suppose it would work if something turned off through Witton Gilbert and/or sacriston. Not sure it would be able to use Potter House Lane, though so would probably have to head into fram and go round that way, so would end up on the same corridor as everything else. Meantime, those passengers can change at the hospital, anyhow, so don't gain a huge amount, other than not having to lug bags across the road. Alternatively, they can meet the x20 at some point.
One of the limiting factors for the arnison centre is that there's not that many ways in. Another is the choice between the bus stop next to Sainsburys and the bottleneck there or the ones by lidl that the 50 uses which are less convenient but less susceptible to delays.
Blimey... some people have changed there tune on here. I mentioned a while back that GNE should stop at gateshead an people could get off and use the metro ( as it was intended be de reg and the grief i got. Now people are suggesting the customers in Birtly Kibblesworth etc alight at team valley at 1030 on a dark wet windy evening and wait for a bus to take them to tow rather than sit on a bus that takes them direct??!!
(04 Oct 2021, 10:37 am)Rob44 Blimey... some people have changed there tune on here. I mentioned a while back that GNE should stop at gateshead an people could get off and use the metro ( as it was intended be de reg and the grief i got. Now people are suggesting the customers in Birtly Kibblesworth etc alight at team valley at 1030 on a dark wet windy evening and wait for a bus to take them to tow rather than sit on a bus that takes them direct??!!
(04 Oct 2021, 10:37 am)Rob44 Blimey... some people have changed there tune on here. I mentioned a while back that GNE should stop at gateshead an people could get off and use the metro ( as it was intended be de reg and the grief i got. Now people are suggesting the customers in Birtly Kibblesworth etc alight at team valley at 1030 on a dark wet windy evening and wait for a bus to take them to tow rather than sit on a bus that takes them direct??!!
(04 Oct 2021, 11:05 am)Andreos1 I've always been of the opinion that there doesn't need to be a chain of buses following each other in and out of the town.
With a new, improved, fancy bus station (or rail network if storx gets his way), TVTE has an all signing/all dancing hub. It works for those working on the valley and works just as well at 10.30 at night too. Much better than a random stop on Durham Road (one of the options they encourage currently!)
(04 Oct 2021, 11:05 am)Andreos1 I've always been of the opinion that there doesn't need to be a chain of buses following each other in and out of the town.
With a new, improved, fancy bus station (or rail network if storx gets his way), TVTE has an all signing/all dancing hub. It works for those working on the valley and works just as well at 10.30 at night too. Much better than a random stop on Durham Road (one of the options they encourage currently!)
(04 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Rob44 to be fair this wasn't aimed at you. I tend to agree with 99% of what you post! But you could say Gateshead is a hub but how many buses turn around there and return to kibblesworth, birtly QE hospital, wreckenton? Not many I tell you. I may have made this up but I'm sure when the Metro first started in the 80's the buses that did continue to Newcastle only dropped off at Gateshead metro - if you were in Gateshead and wanted to get to Newcastle the Metro ( and maybe the cross tyne service 1 ) were the only choices. Now it seems like GNE rival the metro by charging slightly less to get to Newcastle as do arriva from haymarket to regent centre.
If you are comparing team valley to a bus stop on Durham road personally i choose durham road due to the pubs i could pop into. I don't fancy sitting in McDonalds or costa then having to leg it to the bus stop for my connection. I rather be in a pub having a pint and just have to cross the road to the bus stop. Obviously talking about team valley as it sis now. If they spent ALOT of $$$ on it this may be different)
(04 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Rob44 to be fair this wasn't aimed at you. I tend to agree with 99% of what you post! But you could say Gateshead is a hub but how many buses turn around there and return to kibblesworth, birtly QE hospital, wreckenton? Not many I tell you. I may have made this up but I'm sure when the Metro first started in the 80's the buses that did continue to Newcastle only dropped off at Gateshead metro - if you were in Gateshead and wanted to get to Newcastle the Metro ( and maybe the cross tyne service 1 ) were the only choices. Now it seems like GNE rival the metro by charging slightly less to get to Newcastle as do arriva from haymarket to regent centre.
If you are comparing team valley to a bus stop on Durham road personally i choose durham road due to the pubs i could pop into. I don't fancy sitting in McDonalds or costa then having to leg it to the bus stop for my connection. I rather be in a pub having a pint and just have to cross the road to the bus stop. Obviously talking about team valley as it sis now. If they spent ALOT of $$$ on it this may be different)
you might be thinking big but shame bus operator be they based in Gateshead, somewhere in Scotland or have there headquarter in Germany arnt.! I'm not against anything new to try to temp people back to using public transport but as a person who drives a 10 minute journey to work you couldn't get me on a bus now due to not having a direct service and cause i finish after 6 pm and its a Carp service on an evening.. WIFI, Newley painted buses, tables etc don't do anything for me but neither would a bus going to team valley and have to change to a train, bus, metro or electric scooter. - even if the was a spit and sawdust pub, a bookies, and a gentleman's club in the hub!
(04 Oct 2021, 3:26 pm)Rob44 you might be thinking big but shame bus operator be they based in Gateshead, somewhere in Scotland or have there headquarter in Germany arnt.! I'm not against anything new to try to temp people back to using public transport but as a person who drives a 10 minute journey to work you couldn't get me on a bus now due to not having a direct service and cause i finish after 6 pm and its a Carp service on an evening.. WIFI, Newley painted buses, tables etc don't do anything for me but neither would a bus going to team valley and have to change to a train, bus, metro or electric scooter. - even if the was a spit and sawdust pub, a bookies, and a gentleman's club in the hub!
(04 Oct 2021, 3:26 pm)Rob44 you might be thinking big but shame bus operator be they based in Gateshead, somewhere in Scotland or have there headquarter in Germany arnt.! I'm not against anything new to try to temp people back to using public transport but as a person who drives a 10 minute journey to work you couldn't get me on a bus now due to not having a direct service and cause i finish after 6 pm and its a Carp service on an evening.. WIFI, Newley painted buses, tables etc don't do anything for me but neither would a bus going to team valley and have to change to a train, bus, metro or electric scooter. - even if the was a spit and sawdust pub, a bookies, and a gentleman's club in the hub!
(04 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Rob44 to be fair this wasn't aimed at you. I tend to agree with 99% of what you post! But you could say Gateshead is a hub but how many buses turn around there and return to kibblesworth, birtly QE hospital, wreckenton? Not many I tell you. I may have made this up but I'm sure when the Metro first started in the 80's the buses that did continue to Newcastle only dropped off at Gateshead metro - if you were in Gateshead and wanted to get to Newcastle the Metro ( and maybe the cross tyne service 1 ) were the only choices. Now it seems like GNE rival the metro by charging slightly less to get to Newcastle as do arriva from haymarket to regent centre.
If you are comparing team valley to a bus stop on Durham road personally i choose durham road due to the pubs i could pop into. I don't fancy sitting in McDonalds or costa then having to leg it to the bus stop for my connection. I rather be in a pub having a pint and just have to cross the road to the bus stop. Obviously talking about team valley as it sis now. If they spent ALOT of $$$ on it this may be different)
(04 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Rob44 to be fair this wasn't aimed at you. I tend to agree with 99% of what you post! But you could say Gateshead is a hub but how many buses turn around there and return to kibblesworth, birtly QE hospital, wreckenton? Not many I tell you. I may have made this up but I'm sure when the Metro first started in the 80's the buses that did continue to Newcastle only dropped off at Gateshead metro - if you were in Gateshead and wanted to get to Newcastle the Metro ( and maybe the cross tyne service 1 ) were the only choices. Now it seems like GNE rival the metro by charging slightly less to get to Newcastle as do arriva from haymarket to regent centre.
If you are comparing team valley to a bus stop on Durham road personally i choose durham road due to the pubs i could pop into. I don't fancy sitting in McDonalds or costa then having to leg it to the bus stop for my connection. I rather be in a pub having a pint and just have to cross the road to the bus stop. Obviously talking about team valley as it sis now. If they spent ALOT of $$$ on it this may be different)
(04 Oct 2021, 11:05 am)Andreos1 I've always been of the opinion that there doesn't need to be a chain of buses following each other in and out of the town.You could say that about Grangetown - Sunderland. CLS-Durham, Hetton-Houghton, Metro-Blaydon.
With a new, improved, fancy bus station (or rail network if storx gets his way), TVTE has an all signing/all dancing hub. It works for those working on the valley and works just as well at 10.30 at night too. Much better than a random stop on Durham Road (one of the options they encourage currently!)
(04 Oct 2021, 11:05 am)Andreos1 I've always been of the opinion that there doesn't need to be a chain of buses following each other in and out of the town.You could say that about Grangetown - Sunderland. CLS-Durham, Hetton-Houghton, Metro-Blaydon.
With a new, improved, fancy bus station (or rail network if storx gets his way), TVTE has an all signing/all dancing hub. It works for those working on the valley and works just as well at 10.30 at night too. Much better than a random stop on Durham Road (one of the options they encourage currently!)
2/2A (washington). Stand J
39/39A (Pennywell) Stand P
2/2A (Silksworth) Stand H
39/39A (Doxford Park) Stand V
33 to Fawcett Street Stand E.
33 to Silksworth Stand A.
It would add all of 3-4 mins per journey. And it is better for passengers.
And the 38 can go into Stand E/A.
(05 Oct 2021, 2:59 pm)Keeiajs 2/2A (washington). Stand J
39/39A (Pennywell) Stand P
2/2A (Silksworth) Stand H
39/39A (Doxford Park) Stand V
33 to Fawcett Street Stand E.
33 to Silksworth Stand A.
It would add all of 3-4 mins per journey. And it is better for passengers.
And the 38 can go into Stand E/A.
(05 Oct 2021, 2:59 pm)Keeiajs 2/2A (washington). Stand J
39/39A (Pennywell) Stand P
2/2A (Silksworth) Stand H
39/39A (Doxford Park) Stand V
33 to Fawcett Street Stand E.
33 to Silksworth Stand A.
It would add all of 3-4 mins per journey. And it is better for passengers.
And the 38 can go into Stand E/A.
(05 Oct 2021, 3:06 pm)cbma06 That’s what the reasons for stagecoach pulling out of the interchange as it’s out of the way, adds 3 or 4 minutes per journey which would increase the pvr for each service, plus the charge costs for each bus that is scheduled to enter the interchange, Sunderland interchange is just a white elephant these days.I think it would just be easier for driver/passenger for every senario really.
By the way does anyone know if older preserved buses get charged entering the nexus/council bus stations in the north east?
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(05 Oct 2021, 3:06 pm)cbma06 That’s what the reasons for stagecoach pulling out of the interchange as it’s out of the way, adds 3 or 4 minutes per journey which would increase the pvr for each service, plus the charge costs for each bus that is scheduled to enter the interchange, Sunderland interchange is just a white elephant these days.I think it would just be easier for driver/passenger for every senario really.
By the way does anyone know if older preserved buses get charged entering the nexus/council bus stations in the north east?
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(05 Oct 2021, 3:08 pm)Keeiajs I think it would just be easier for driver/passenger for every senario really.
(05 Oct 2021, 3:08 pm)Keeiajs I think it would just be easier for driver/passenger for every senario really.
(05 Oct 2021, 3:22 pm)cbma06 It’s like saying why walk upto the bus station when passengers can board the same bus at holmside/vine place or Fawcett st/John st, except for passengers traveling South, should knock down from Holmside to Brougham road and have that area as the new bus station, and have the bridges shopping complex extended to the side of bus station and the metro and rail station is just round the corner, labour council likes to knock buildings down and hopefully make the bus station out of something called bricks and not a wind tunnelI would extend the bulding into CrowTreet RD, to connect TK Max and the Bridges fully to add maybe a food area at the bottom, could have a fishshop, move the greggs from parklane, McDonalds. Have the bottom bus stops as Pull in ones, and send the 60/X6/62/61/9 down their.
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(05 Oct 2021, 3:22 pm)cbma06 It’s like saying why walk upto the bus station when passengers can board the same bus at holmside/vine place or Fawcett st/John st, except for passengers traveling South, should knock down from Holmside to Brougham road and have that area as the new bus station, and have the bridges shopping complex extended to the side of bus station and the metro and rail station is just round the corner, labour council likes to knock buildings down and hopefully make the bus station out of something called bricks and not a wind tunnelI would extend the bulding into CrowTreet RD, to connect TK Max and the Bridges fully to add maybe a food area at the bottom, could have a fishshop, move the greggs from parklane, McDonalds. Have the bottom bus stops as Pull in ones, and send the 60/X6/62/61/9 down their.
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(05 Oct 2021, 3:27 pm)Keeiajs I would extend the bulding into CrowTreet RD, to connect TK Max and the Bridges fully to add maybe a food area at the bottom, could have a fishshop, move the greggs from parklane, McDonalds. Have the bottom bus stops as Pull in ones, and send the 60/X6/62/61/9 down their.
The rest are side bay stops. But i think it would need to be a bit bigger than that as many GNE/SCNE go through Fawcett Street and not terminate therefore I think they would have to have more stands. Like the current one has 19 stands, new one needs atleast 40 imo. maybe more.
(05 Oct 2021, 3:27 pm)Keeiajs I would extend the bulding into CrowTreet RD, to connect TK Max and the Bridges fully to add maybe a food area at the bottom, could have a fishshop, move the greggs from parklane, McDonalds. Have the bottom bus stops as Pull in ones, and send the 60/X6/62/61/9 down their.
The rest are side bay stops. But i think it would need to be a bit bigger than that as many GNE/SCNE go through Fawcett Street and not terminate therefore I think they would have to have more stands. Like the current one has 19 stands, new one needs atleast 40 imo. maybe more.
