Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(31 Dec 2019, 10:28 am)Rob44 I used the 44 when it was Whitley bay - Hazlerigg back in the day. it was very rarely on time TBF but it always came in my experience. They never said tough its now starting from Gosforth high street - get your ass there to get it! Also in my experience when you put your hand out for an Arriva it stops. My partner was waiting at the bus stop at on way to town for work and it drove straight passed..... luckily I was in so she rang me and I dropped her in town. Rang customer service and after 7 days they got back to her to say sorry we've check the CCTV and he did drive passed.... he was new to the route? Maybe they should make the bus stop shelter and sign bigger?
Storx - what you say make a lot of sense, but take the 21 GNE for example. I've stood in the rain and seen a number of half full 21 zoom passed with NIS on trying probably to catch up on time. Then surprise surprise the next 21 is full so cant get on that either. 40 minutes for a 10 minute service. Imagine if arriva put competition on the route ( not the poor X12) do you think GNE bus would zoom past money waiting at the bus stop if they thought that money would go to arriva? Of course not. And it give the passengers another choice of company to use and drives fares down.
(31 Dec 2019, 10:28 am)Rob44 I used the 44 when it was Whitley bay - Hazlerigg back in the day. it was very rarely on time TBF but it always came in my experience. They never said tough its now starting from Gosforth high street - get your ass there to get it! Also in my experience when you put your hand out for an Arriva it stops. My partner was waiting at the bus stop at on way to town for work and it drove straight passed..... luckily I was in so she rang me and I dropped her in town. Rang customer service and after 7 days they got back to her to say sorry we've check the CCTV and he did drive passed.... he was new to the route? Maybe they should make the bus stop shelter and sign bigger?
Storx - what you say make a lot of sense, but take the 21 GNE for example. I've stood in the rain and seen a number of half full 21 zoom passed with NIS on trying probably to catch up on time. Then surprise surprise the next 21 is full so cant get on that either. 40 minutes for a 10 minute service. Imagine if arriva put competition on the route ( not the poor X12) do you think GNE bus would zoom past money waiting at the bus stop if they thought that money would go to arriva? Of course not. And it give the passengers another choice of company to use and drives fares down.
(31 Dec 2019, 12:52 pm)Storx The problem is GoNorthEast wont just sit there and let them get away. Arriva have already attacked Durham Road in the past because of GoNorthEast trying to take on Arriva's routes. See below:
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PB0003954/288 - X43/44 from Blyth to Newcastle in Arriva territory.
1 month later
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PB0002717/188 - X21 along Durham Road (It failed miserably).
They wont risk it happening again and another war starting.
(31 Dec 2019, 12:52 pm)Storx The problem is GoNorthEast wont just sit there and let them get away. Arriva have already attacked Durham Road in the past because of GoNorthEast trying to take on Arriva's routes. See below:
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PB0003954/288 - X43/44 from Blyth to Newcastle in Arriva territory.
1 month later
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PB0002717/188 - X21 along Durham Road (It failed miserably).
They wont risk it happening again and another war starting.
(31 Dec 2019, 9:44 am)BusLoverMum Arriva buses would get caught up in the same heavy traffic that delays your gne bus and having lived in deepest arriva territory for many years, I can assure you that their customer service is non-existent.
(31 Dec 2019, 9:58 am)Storx You'd think this would improve the services but in reality in the long term they'll be much worse. All that will end up happening is you'll have a price war, neither companies will make any money, thus no investment, eventually one of them will buy the other out to stop the price war, prices will increase big time to recoup the loss they've made, people stop using the bus, services cut, never ending cycle.
You can't just go dipping in other people's areas not to mention Arriva or GNE wont just sit there and let them take their area without a retalliation. I'm sure GNE would love an excuse to put buses along West Road one of the most profitable areas in the North East.
(31 Dec 2019, 9:44 am)BusLoverMum Arriva buses would get caught up in the same heavy traffic that delays your gne bus and having lived in deepest arriva territory for many years, I can assure you that their customer service is non-existent.
(31 Dec 2019, 9:58 am)Storx You'd think this would improve the services but in reality in the long term they'll be much worse. All that will end up happening is you'll have a price war, neither companies will make any money, thus no investment, eventually one of them will buy the other out to stop the price war, prices will increase big time to recoup the loss they've made, people stop using the bus, services cut, never ending cycle.
You can't just go dipping in other people's areas not to mention Arriva or GNE wont just sit there and let them take their area without a retalliation. I'm sure GNE would love an excuse to put buses along West Road one of the most profitable areas in the North East.
yes I know all that. and I agree. But my point is with no competition GNE have no incentive to provide a better service . I can't imagine a 309 or 310 going along the coat road with NIS on the screen when they know Arriva 306/308 will be along within minutes. Yet on route with no or little competition they do what they like.....
Plus think of the overtime the driver will get!
(31 Dec 2019, 1:09 pm)Rob44 yes I know all that. and I agree. But my point is with no competition GNE have no incentive to provide a better service . I can't imagine a 309 or 310 going along the coat road with NIS on the screen when they know Arriva 306/308 will be along within minutes. Yet on route with no or little competition they do what they like.....
Plus think of the overtime the driver will get!
. bus services should be in the hands of the local authorities or councils, instead of the money going into shareholders pockets, bus companies should be bidding to run a service which is set by the councils.(31 Dec 2019, 1:09 pm)Rob44 yes I know all that. and I agree. But my point is with no competition GNE have no incentive to provide a better service . I can't imagine a 309 or 310 going along the coat road with NIS on the screen when they know Arriva 306/308 will be along within minutes. Yet on route with no or little competition they do what they like.....
Plus think of the overtime the driver will get!
. bus services should be in the hands of the local authorities or councils, instead of the money going into shareholders pockets, bus companies should be bidding to run a service which is set by the councils.
(31 Dec 2019, 1:09 pm)Rob44 yes I know all that. and I agree. But my point is with no competition GNE have no incentive to provide a better service . I can't imagine a 309 or 310 going along the coat road with NIS on the screen when they know Arriva 306/308 will be along within minutes. Yet on route with no or little competition they do what they like.....
Plus think of the overtime the driver will get!
(31 Dec 2019, 1:09 pm)Rob44 yes I know all that. and I agree. But my point is with no competition GNE have no incentive to provide a better service . I can't imagine a 309 or 310 going along the coat road with NIS on the screen when they know Arriva 306/308 will be along within minutes. Yet on route with no or little competition they do what they like.....
Plus think of the overtime the driver will get!
(31 Dec 2019, 1:15 pm)cbma06 Yes there can do whatever there like, it’s called lifeHave to say I disagree. I doubt the council would invest as heavily and make such big improvements. Businesses thrive on efficiency and continual improvement. Council and government sectors do not.
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(31 Dec 2019, 1:15 pm)cbma06 Yes there can do whatever there like, it’s called lifeHave to say I disagree. I doubt the council would invest as heavily and make such big improvements. Businesses thrive on efficiency and continual improvement. Council and government sectors do not.
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(31 Dec 2019, 1:28 pm)JP6004 Have to say I disagree. I doubt the council would invest as heavily and make such big improvements. Businesses thrive on efficiency and continual improvement. Council and government sectors do not.
Saying that stagecoach and arriva seem to of lagged behind GNE for years when I comes to NSA, wifi, on board charging, ticket offerings etc; not to mention cleanliness
(31 Dec 2019, 1:28 pm)JP6004 Have to say I disagree. I doubt the council would invest as heavily and make such big improvements. Businesses thrive on efficiency and continual improvement. Council and government sectors do not.
Saying that stagecoach and arriva seem to of lagged behind GNE for years when I comes to NSA, wifi, on board charging, ticket offerings etc; not to mention cleanliness
(31 Dec 2019, 3:13 pm)streetdeckfan Exactly, businesses want to make money so they try to be better than the competition.Do lothian buses waste loads of $$$$$. I only as as I spend 4 times a year in Edinburgh and the bus service up there is 10x better than here
If it was run by the council, they'd want to waste as much money as they can so they can get a bigger budget next year. There would be no competition, so why would they make their services better.
The operators would just lie about how they're going to make the services better when they put in for the tender, and we'd be in exactly the same situation were in with the rail network.
You can argue all day whether it would be better nationalised, but the half arsed franchise system isn't working. Either go all in and let them operate fully independently, or renationalise them
I only really have experience with Arriva Durham, but from that it looks like they have the edge on Stagecoach when it comes to the likes of NSA, WiFi and charging. At least with the MAX and Sapphire services.
I think Arriva must have one cleaner, and they've been on the sick for the past few years!
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If i asked 100 people if GNE/arria/stagcoach has improved their service over the last 25 years do you think the majority would say yes? I doubt it.
I just remember the days before de-regulation and i dont remember buses been old and needing replacing. In fact didn't The TWPTE just invest in new double dickers before this and becoming busways. I'm sure also united which became northumbria had just invest in a load of deckers to so i dont think there is a problem with investment. As for ticket offering, onboard wifi etc I would prefer it it the buses ran regualrly ( my bus on an evening is every 70 minutes ) and actually arrived to get me to my destination.
(31 Dec 2019, 3:13 pm)streetdeckfan Exactly, businesses want to make money so they try to be better than the competition.Do lothian buses waste loads of $$$$$. I only as as I spend 4 times a year in Edinburgh and the bus service up there is 10x better than here
If it was run by the council, they'd want to waste as much money as they can so they can get a bigger budget next year. There would be no competition, so why would they make their services better.
The operators would just lie about how they're going to make the services better when they put in for the tender, and we'd be in exactly the same situation were in with the rail network.
You can argue all day whether it would be better nationalised, but the half arsed franchise system isn't working. Either go all in and let them operate fully independently, or renationalise them
I only really have experience with Arriva Durham, but from that it looks like they have the edge on Stagecoach when it comes to the likes of NSA, WiFi and charging. At least with the MAX and Sapphire services.
I think Arriva must have one cleaner, and they've been on the sick for the past few years!
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(31 Dec 2019, 3:21 pm)Rob44 If i asked 100 people if GNE/arria/stagcoach has improved their service over the last 25 years do you think the majority would say yes? I doubt it.
I just remember the days before de-regulation and i dont remember buses been old and needing replacing. In fact didn't The TWPTE just invest in new double dickers before this and becoming busways. I'm sure also united which became northumbria had just invest in a load of deckers to so i dont think there is a problem with investment. As for ticket offering, onboard wifi etc I would prefer it it the buses ran regualrly ( my bus on an evening is every 70 minutes ) and actually arrived to get me to my destination.
Do lothian buses waste loads of $$$$$. I only as as I spend 4 times a year in Edinburgh and the bus service up there is 10x better than here
(31 Dec 2019, 3:21 pm)Rob44 If i asked 100 people if GNE/arria/stagcoach has improved their service over the last 25 years do you think the majority would say yes? I doubt it.
I just remember the days before de-regulation and i dont remember buses been old and needing replacing. In fact didn't The TWPTE just invest in new double dickers before this and becoming busways. I'm sure also united which became northumbria had just invest in a load of deckers to so i dont think there is a problem with investment. As for ticket offering, onboard wifi etc I would prefer it it the buses ran regualrly ( my bus on an evening is every 70 minutes ) and actually arrived to get me to my destination.
Do lothian buses waste loads of $$$$$. I only as as I spend 4 times a year in Edinburgh and the bus service up there is 10x better than here
County Durham & Teeside service changes
This is to build up a small network to take on Arriva.
Service X21- Current proposed route between Newcastle and West Auckland every 30 minutes (PVR 8)
Current service X22- renumbered X12
NEW service X22- Newcastle-Gateshead-Low Fell-Chester-le-Street-Durham-Coxhoe-Ferryhill-Newton Aycliffe-Darlington (PVR 8)
Service 23- Peterlee-Wingate-Station Town-Trimdon-Sedgefield-Newton Aycliffe-Shildon-Bishop Auckland-Woodhouse-Tindale Cresent- West Auckland- Barnard Castle
Service 24 Middlesbrough-Teeside Park-Thornaby-Stockton-Darlington-Barnard Castle
Indigo Peterlee- All services will see a change in times. Service 202 will run between Peterlee and Seaham only. PVR 12
Allocations
Service X21- 6304-6307 & 6330-6333
Service X22- Will see a mixed allocation- 5x Streetdecks and 3x unbranded single deckers- till the new deckers are here it will be 3x streetdecks and 2 B7's.
Service 23/24- 637-638, 652-654, 8301, 8302 (PVR 7)
Indigo Peterlee- 655-666
Transfers
637, 638 & 652 to Peterlee
5238 & 5272 to Chester-le-Street
(31 Dec 2019, 10:22 pm)michaelb County Durham & Teeside service changesThere would be some hefty dead mileage on 23/24, surely?
This is to build up a small network to take on Arriva.
Service X21- Current proposed route between Newcastle and West Auckland every 30 minutes (PVR 8)
Current service X22- renumbered X12
NEW service X22- Newcastle-Gateshead-Low Fell-Chester-le-Street-Durham-Coxhoe-Ferryhill-Newton Aycliffe-Darlington (PVR 8)
Service 23- Peterlee-Wingate-Station Town-Trimdon-Sedgefield-Newton Aycliffe-Shildon-Bishop Auckland-Woodhouse-Tindale Cresent- West Auckland- Barnard Castle
Service 24 Middlesbrough-Teeside Park-Thornaby-Stockton-Darlington-Barnard Castle
Indigo Peterlee- All services will see a change in times. Service 202 will run between Peterlee and Seaham only. PVR 12
Allocations
Service X21- 6304-6307 & 6330-6333
Service X22- Will see a mixed allocation- 5x Streetdecks and 3x unbranded single deckers- till the new deckers are here it will be 3x streetdecks and 2 B7's.
Service 23/24- 637-638, 652-654, 8301, 8302 (PVR 7)
Indigo Peterlee- 655-666
Transfers
637, 638 & 652 to Peterlee
5238 & 5272 to Chester-le-Street
(31 Dec 2019, 10:22 pm)michaelb County Durham & Teeside service changesThere would be some hefty dead mileage on 23/24, surely?
This is to build up a small network to take on Arriva.
Service X21- Current proposed route between Newcastle and West Auckland every 30 minutes (PVR 8)
Current service X22- renumbered X12
NEW service X22- Newcastle-Gateshead-Low Fell-Chester-le-Street-Durham-Coxhoe-Ferryhill-Newton Aycliffe-Darlington (PVR 8)
Service 23- Peterlee-Wingate-Station Town-Trimdon-Sedgefield-Newton Aycliffe-Shildon-Bishop Auckland-Woodhouse-Tindale Cresent- West Auckland- Barnard Castle
Service 24 Middlesbrough-Teeside Park-Thornaby-Stockton-Darlington-Barnard Castle
Indigo Peterlee- All services will see a change in times. Service 202 will run between Peterlee and Seaham only. PVR 12
Allocations
Service X21- 6304-6307 & 6330-6333
Service X22- Will see a mixed allocation- 5x Streetdecks and 3x unbranded single deckers- till the new deckers are here it will be 3x streetdecks and 2 B7's.
Service 23/24- 637-638, 652-654, 8301, 8302 (PVR 7)
Indigo Peterlee- 655-666
Transfers
637, 638 & 652 to Peterlee
5238 & 5272 to Chester-le-Street
(31 Dec 2019, 11:50 pm)BusLoverMum There would be some hefty dead mileage on 23/24, surely?23 and 24 will interwork with eachother.
(31 Dec 2019, 11:50 pm)BusLoverMum There would be some hefty dead mileage on 23/24, surely?23 and 24 will interwork with eachother.
Suggestions for night buses Fri & Sat:
- N20 (PVR 2) Durham to Sunderland
- N21 (PVR 3) extended to Bishop Auckland
- N30 (PVR 1) Newcastle to Stanley, departures from Newcastle at 0100 and 0230
- N45 (PVR 2) Newcastle to Consett via Blackhall Mill, departures from Newcastle at 0025, 0140 and 0255
- N10 (PVR 2) Newcastle to Hexham via Scotswood Rd, departures from Newcastle at 0005, 0120, 0235
12B: Newcastle - Fenham - West Denton - Denton Burn - Blaydon - Winlaton
X40 - Newcastle - Denton Burn - Chapel House
X44: Newcastle - Denton Burn - Metrocentre - Rowlands Gill - Blackhall Mill operating hourly
X84: Newcastle - Fenham (West Road) - Slatyford - Denton Burn - Throckley - Heddon on the Wall - Wylam - Ovingham - Ovington - Corbridge - Hexham
Night service N33 between Newcastle and Gosforth and N84 between Newcastle and Hexham.
(02 Jan 2020, 6:09 pm)L469 YVK Suggestions for night buses Fri & Sat:
- N20 (PVR 2) Durham to Sunderland
- N21 (PVR 3) extended to Bishop Auckland
- N30 (PVR 1) Newcastle to Stanley, departures from Newcastle at 0100 and 0230
- N45 (PVR 2) Newcastle to Consett via Blackhall Mill, departures from Newcastle at 0025, 0140 and 0255
- N10 (PVR 2) Newcastle to Hexham via Scotswood Rd, departures from Newcastle at 0005, 0120, 0235
(02 Jan 2020, 6:09 pm)L469 YVK Suggestions for night buses Fri & Sat:
- N20 (PVR 2) Durham to Sunderland
- N21 (PVR 3) extended to Bishop Auckland
- N30 (PVR 1) Newcastle to Stanley, departures from Newcastle at 0100 and 0230
- N45 (PVR 2) Newcastle to Consett via Blackhall Mill, departures from Newcastle at 0025, 0140 and 0255
- N10 (PVR 2) Newcastle to Hexham via Scotswood Rd, departures from Newcastle at 0005, 0120, 0235
(03 Jan 2020, 10:28 am)Storx Apart from the N20 which didn't work in the past is the return journeys. You may have 20 people going from Newcastle to Stanley but the return journey will be dead throughout. It's the reason night buses don't work up here. You also have the problem that it won't pick anyone up through the journey. The N21 is different as it has a flow from Durham to Newcastle and Newcastle to Durham with both Low Fell and Chester Le Street on the route where people go out. It's the same with the N56 which has both from Sunderland and Newcastle then Concord in the middle.
Once you split it all down you end up having 10 passengers per a bus and it's not enough to make them work.
(03 Jan 2020, 10:28 am)Storx Apart from the N20 which didn't work in the past is the return journeys. You may have 20 people going from Newcastle to Stanley but the return journey will be dead throughout. It's the reason night buses don't work up here. You also have the problem that it won't pick anyone up through the journey. The N21 is different as it has a flow from Durham to Newcastle and Newcastle to Durham with both Low Fell and Chester Le Street on the route where people go out. It's the same with the N56 which has both from Sunderland and Newcastle then Concord in the middle.
Once you split it all down you end up having 10 passengers per a bus and it's not enough to make them work.
Curtail services 25, 26/27 and 28/28A/28B at Gateshead Interchange and curtail the 25 at Witton Gilbert. This could allow the 309/310/311 to move to Eldon Square.
