Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(15 Sep 2020, 12:01 pm)big mac The exact same thing happens in Low Fell towards Newcastle. People let the 25 go past and get on a 21, even though the 25 does the exact same route and serves all the same stops. Is it just lack of awareness that the route goes where they want it to just because it doesn't have a "brand"?
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(15 Sep 2020, 12:01 pm)big mac The exact same thing happens in Low Fell towards Newcastle. People let the 25 go past and get on a 21, even though the 25 does the exact same route and serves all the same stops. Is it just lack of awareness that the route goes where they want it to just because it doesn't have a "brand"?
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(15 Sep 2020, 1:11 pm)Storx Probably it doesn't particularly help the numbers of some routes either.Yes and service numbers that haven't changed for decades. The Wrekenton to Newcastle via Low Fell route has been the 25, 1, 24 and 2 in the space of, I would guess, the last ten years? So I can see how it would be confusing.
2, 39, 60, 61 - Ryhope
20, 35, 55, X1 - Houghton / Hetton
21, 25, 28B - Low Fell
People might be more aware if they had some link between each other and advertised together but for someone who's never used a bus it's no wonder they're confused with the 21, 25, 28B etc especially when you bring the brands in at the same time and change them every other week. It's only really a GNE issue aswell as Stagecoach and Arriva in general have logical numbers blocked together (at least North of the Tyne).
(15 Sep 2020, 1:11 pm)Storx Probably it doesn't particularly help the numbers of some routes either.Yes and service numbers that haven't changed for decades. The Wrekenton to Newcastle via Low Fell route has been the 25, 1, 24 and 2 in the space of, I would guess, the last ten years? So I can see how it would be confusing.
2, 39, 60, 61 - Ryhope
20, 35, 55, X1 - Houghton / Hetton
21, 25, 28B - Low Fell
People might be more aware if they had some link between each other and advertised together but for someone who's never used a bus it's no wonder they're confused with the 21, 25, 28B etc especially when you bring the brands in at the same time and change them every other week. It's only really a GNE issue aswell as Stagecoach and Arriva in general have logical numbers blocked together (at least North of the Tyne).
(15 Sep 2020, 1:25 pm)big mac Yes and service numbers that haven't changed for decades. The Wrekenton to Newcastle via Low Fell route has been the 25, 1, 24 and 2 in the space of, I would guess, the last ten years? So I can see how it would be confusing.
However, when they do pull up to the stop with the destination showing Newcastle in nice big letters I don't get why then punters don't bother with it, even if the numbers change regularly and don't have a connection with the established 21.
With the numbering I suppose it is quite difficult to try and have them all tied together, for example the 28b is numbered as such to group it in with the Ouston and Pelton section of the route, so if you tried to renumber it to group in with the Low Fell services, it then loses its tie to the 28 and 28a.
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(15 Sep 2020, 1:25 pm)big mac Yes and service numbers that haven't changed for decades. The Wrekenton to Newcastle via Low Fell route has been the 25, 1, 24 and 2 in the space of, I would guess, the last ten years? So I can see how it would be confusing.
However, when they do pull up to the stop with the destination showing Newcastle in nice big letters I don't get why then punters don't bother with it, even if the numbers change regularly and don't have a connection with the established 21.
With the numbering I suppose it is quite difficult to try and have them all tied together, for example the 28b is numbered as such to group it in with the Ouston and Pelton section of the route, so if you tried to renumber it to group in with the Low Fell services, it then loses its tie to the 28 and 28a.
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(15 Sep 2020, 1:34 pm)Andreos1 I wonder if the blinds need to be clear where in Newcastle they're going?True. Maybe they should put Eldon Square on the destination display.
Particularly if you're thinking back to the 1/1A/2 which didn't go anywhere near Eldon Square or the 24 which has had various routes around the town over the years and the 21 which has been pretty limited in comparison.
(15 Sep 2020, 1:34 pm)Andreos1 I wonder if the blinds need to be clear where in Newcastle they're going?True. Maybe they should put Eldon Square on the destination display.
Particularly if you're thinking back to the 1/1A/2 which didn't go anywhere near Eldon Square or the 24 which has had various routes around the town over the years and the 21 which has been pretty limited in comparison.
(15 Sep 2020, 3:40 pm)big mac True. Maybe they should put Eldon Square on the destination display.Before gateshead you mean? Think it says eldon square, when it hits gateshead.
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(15 Sep 2020, 3:40 pm)big mac True. Maybe they should put Eldon Square on the destination display.Before gateshead you mean? Think it says eldon square, when it hits gateshead.
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(15 Sep 2020, 3:42 pm)ASX_Terranova Before gateshead you mean? Think it says eldon square, when it hits gateshead.
(15 Sep 2020, 3:42 pm)ASX_Terranova Before gateshead you mean? Think it says eldon square, when it hits gateshead.
I do think duplicate route numbers,gaps in route numbers,brands all combined dont help the issue, like 93/94, do they really need to be numbered that,it made sense when there were several services that were numbered in the 90's but how many are there now? Only ones i can think of is 93/94 and 97 unless ive missed some,personally it started back in 2007 in North Tyneside when 3's were dropped from route numbers, numerous routes merged left right and centre links hashed networkwide, but i think out of the lot,it was Gateshead that got the raw deal, my dad used to rant about em before he died,not just GNE,boy he'd be disgusted if he saw the system the way it is now
Put Eldon Square, Park Lane, etc.. on second line. That would help massively
(15 Sep 2020, 3:42 pm)ASX_Terranova Before gateshead you mean? Think it says eldon square, when it hits gateshead.Yes. I think it should say Newcastle Eldon Square as the destination for the duration of the route.
For Low Fell I could imagine being put off as they might not know that it will still go straight down the fell so won't take the risk, I know I wouldn't if I wasn't from the area as some of Gateshead's buses take a magical mystery tour before getting to Newcastle.
53/54 changed to G1/G2
93/94 changed to G3/G4
57 changed to G5
97 changed to G7
58 changed to G8
All G's stand for Gateshead (Branded as Gateshead Arrow).
(15 Sep 2020, 4:23 pm)ASX_Terranova 53/54 changed to G1/G2It would be good to have at least some sort of numbering system that gave an indication of the area the route serves, because as has been said there isn't really any logic to the numbers at all any more.
93/94 changed to G3/G4
57 changed to G5
97 changed to G7
58 changed to G8
All G's stand for Gateshead (Branded as Gateshead Arrow).
(15 Sep 2020, 4:23 pm)ASX_Terranova 53/54 changed to G1/G2It would be good to have at least some sort of numbering system that gave an indication of the area the route serves, because as has been said there isn't really any logic to the numbers at all any more.
93/94 changed to G3/G4
57 changed to G5
97 changed to G7
58 changed to G8
All G's stand for Gateshead (Branded as Gateshead Arrow).
(15 Sep 2020, 6:12 pm)tcts24 There's probably rarely any real logic to choosing route numbers. There are still a few 1XX services in the Wear Valley, 2xx routes in East Durham and 7xx numbered routes around Chester.
(15 Sep 2020, 6:12 pm)tcts24 There's probably rarely any real logic to choosing route numbers. There are still a few 1XX services in the Wear Valley, 2xx routes in East Durham and 7xx numbered routes around Chester.
(15 Sep 2020, 6:12 pm)tcts24 There's probably rarely any real logic to choosing route numbers. There are still a few 1XX services in the Wear Valley, 2xx routes in East Durham and 7xx numbered routes around Chester.
(15 Sep 2020, 6:12 pm)tcts24 There's probably rarely any real logic to choosing route numbers. There are still a few 1XX services in the Wear Valley, 2xx routes in East Durham and 7xx numbered routes around Chester.
(15 Sep 2020, 6:51 pm)OrangeArrow49 I've been fascinated by route numbers for years. I particularly dislike things such as those mentioned by somebody else 1/1A/1B and X1, 5 and X5 etc being confusing. If the 1 had a express introduced that would be the 1X, which is stupid! I agreed with Coaster 1/2 becoming 1/1A as it frees up more numbers.
Suppose with a limited amount of numbers, it can't be avoided. Branding does help, like Coaster 1 and Red Arrows X1, or now all expresses will be X-lines so will be totally separate.
(15 Sep 2020, 6:51 pm)OrangeArrow49 I've been fascinated by route numbers for years. I particularly dislike things such as those mentioned by somebody else 1/1A/1B and X1, 5 and X5 etc being confusing. If the 1 had a express introduced that would be the 1X, which is stupid! I agreed with Coaster 1/2 becoming 1/1A as it frees up more numbers.
Suppose with a limited amount of numbers, it can't be avoided. Branding does help, like Coaster 1 and Red Arrows X1, or now all expresses will be X-lines so will be totally separate.
i was on the 21 to eldon square which was dropping off neat market street outside the old buzz nightclub. a woman and 3 kids came running up and got on and wanted to go to Newcastle Business park at Scotswood. Argued a good couple of minutes that they were told the 21 would take them there!!!
Thats my bug bare - different companies using the sam numbers, especially in the same area.... - 1 to metro centre or slatyford, x10 to blyth or the Boro 10 to hexham or West denton!
(16 Sep 2020, 10:47 am)Rob44 i was on the 21 to eldon square which was dropping off neat market street outside the old buzz nightclub. a woman and 3 kids came running up and got on and wanted to go to Newcastle Business park at Scotswood. Argued a good couple of minutes that they were told the 21 would take them there!!!It's even better when there is no 21 to the business park at all and it is the 22 that they would have needed.
Thats my bug bare - different companies using the sam numbers, especially in the same area.... - 1 to metro centre or slatyford, x10 to blyth or the Boro 10 to hexham or West denton!
(16 Sep 2020, 10:47 am)Rob44 i was on the 21 to eldon square which was dropping off neat market street outside the old buzz nightclub. a woman and 3 kids came running up and got on and wanted to go to Newcastle Business park at Scotswood. Argued a good couple of minutes that they were told the 21 would take them there!!!It's even better when there is no 21 to the business park at all and it is the 22 that they would have needed.
Thats my bug bare - different companies using the sam numbers, especially in the same area.... - 1 to metro centre or slatyford, x10 to blyth or the Boro 10 to hexham or West denton!
I kinda get the point about the 10A going off the beaten track a tiny bit. But it is a 10A, i.e. not a 10 or 10B. It goes vaguely the same direction and has a slightly different service number, which differnentiates it enough to figure out that like the 10B, it wont go anywhere near Hexam!
The same goes for the X10. It's different, as in it's not a 10 and it's pretty simply to comprehend that may not go to Coulby Newham from Middlesbrough Bus Station - like the 10 does! Expecting anything with a X prefix to take the same route as a similarly numbered non prefixed service is bodering distictly on the anal side.
The 55 and Stagecoach North East service 1's (both of them) present a bigger issue. Does it go to Buddle Road or Slatyford? Seaton Carew or Middlesbrough? Peterlee or Wingate? Where it goes, nobody knows! I have known instances of customers stopping the bus and asking the driver where it's going because they've established it's a 1, but haven't (or couldn't) read the actual destination. If these type of routes were split into a 1 and 2 or 1 and 1A or 55 and 155 or whatever.
