Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(17 Sep 2020, 10:33 am)Storx Some people are extremely stupid though and don't bother to read destinations properly. That wasn't a comment directed at you, this was directed at the people who can't read a basic timetable and those who get on a 21 to Chester Le Street and ask if it goes to Durham for 2 examples. There will be some idiots who see X10 and think oh that must be the 10 and it doesn't help when GNE add X's to routes for no reason bar branding reasons (X5, X15, X45, X46, X47). There's enough numbers around there's no need for a 1 and X1, 10 and X10 when it's not needed.
That's a valid point with the 1 and one I didn't think of, maybe only use it where there is no service with the same number so with the 10's it could work.
You misinterpretated the comment on using the same numbers I meant in the sense that in the whole of GNE, numbers shouldn't duplicate anywhere so every route should be different, the same with Arriva Northumbria / North East (they're two different companies as they're not connected) and Stagecoach's each little area nor should there be an express of a bus route has a local service of the same number. There certainly should be no duplicates in the same bus station or town though but the fact GNE have a 57 in Gateshead and Arriva have a 57 in Whitley then there's no issue there as their far enough apart or even the example such as the GNE 47 and Stagecoach X47 in Eldon Square (the two X47's is stupid though). It wouldn't be sensible to ban the same number everywhere in the North East.
(17 Sep 2020, 10:33 am)Storx Some people are extremely stupid though and don't bother to read destinations properly. That wasn't a comment directed at you, this was directed at the people who can't read a basic timetable and those who get on a 21 to Chester Le Street and ask if it goes to Durham for 2 examples. There will be some idiots who see X10 and think oh that must be the 10 and it doesn't help when GNE add X's to routes for no reason bar branding reasons (X5, X15, X45, X46, X47). There's enough numbers around there's no need for a 1 and X1, 10 and X10 when it's not needed.
That's a valid point with the 1 and one I didn't think of, maybe only use it where there is no service with the same number so with the 10's it could work.
You misinterpretated the comment on using the same numbers I meant in the sense that in the whole of GNE, numbers shouldn't duplicate anywhere so every route should be different, the same with Arriva Northumbria / North East (they're two different companies as they're not connected) and Stagecoach's each little area nor should there be an express of a bus route has a local service of the same number. There certainly should be no duplicates in the same bus station or town though but the fact GNE have a 57 in Gateshead and Arriva have a 57 in Whitley then there's no issue there as their far enough apart or even the example such as the GNE 47 and Stagecoach X47 in Eldon Square (the two X47's is stupid though). It wouldn't be sensible to ban the same number everywhere in the North East.
(17 Sep 2020, 12:06 pm)tcts24 I'm fairly certain I didn't misinterpret. Provided the number and ultimate destination combined is different i.e. from Sunderland city centre one could catch a 23 to Dene Estate, Thorney Close or Hartlepool or one could get a 55, X6 or X7 to Peterlee. Renumbering the 10 from Newcastle so it doesn't look to similarly numbered to the X10 doesn't matter. They go in completely opposite directions and nobody could possibly get confused between them unless they are too thick or ingnorant to figure that out. If somebody can't or doesn't want to comprehend that not all buses go to the same places, then no elaberate numbering system will make a scrap of difference.
I was astonded during last years Arriva strike, how many people on Facebook couldn't grasp that the handful of buses that were running would stop between the listed timing points - as the normally would - despite stating this at the top of the post. No amount of telling some of them, "yes it will stop outside your house like it usually does" would sink in.
(17 Sep 2020, 12:06 pm)tcts24 I'm fairly certain I didn't misinterpret. Provided the number and ultimate destination combined is different i.e. from Sunderland city centre one could catch a 23 to Dene Estate, Thorney Close or Hartlepool or one could get a 55, X6 or X7 to Peterlee. Renumbering the 10 from Newcastle so it doesn't look to similarly numbered to the X10 doesn't matter. They go in completely opposite directions and nobody could possibly get confused between them unless they are too thick or ingnorant to figure that out. If somebody can't or doesn't want to comprehend that not all buses go to the same places, then no elaberate numbering system will make a scrap of difference.
I was astonded during last years Arriva strike, how many people on Facebook couldn't grasp that the handful of buses that were running would stop between the listed timing points - as the normally would - despite stating this at the top of the post. No amount of telling some of them, "yes it will stop outside your house like it usually does" would sink in.
With reference to the comment about not reading destinations properly:
A friend of mine bought a minibus from the local bus company, intending to do it up as a camper van. Just before Christmas, we decorated it with light, trees and baubles, set the destination blind to read "Straight to Cuba", no route number, and drove it along our town's High Street, past all the bus stops. We were astonished just how many people stepped out to try and board - remember, no route number and a silly destination!
(17 Sep 2020, 12:06 pm)tcts24 I'm fairly certain I didn't misinterpret. Provided the number and ultimate destination combined is different i.e. from Sunderland city centre one could catch a 23 to Dene Estate, Thorney Close or Hartlepool or one could get a 55, X6 or X7 to Peterlee. Renumbering the 10 from Newcastle so it doesn't look to similarly numbered to the X10 doesn't matter. They go in completely opposite directions and nobody could possibly get confused between them unless they are too thick or ingnorant to figure that out. If somebody can't or doesn't want to comprehend that not all buses go to the same places, then no elaberate numbering system will make a scrap of difference.People are thick and ignorant, though. Surely it would be in the bus companies interest to make it as simple as they possibly can?
I was astonded during last years Arriva strike, how many people on Facebook couldn't grasp that the handful of buses that were running would stop between the listed timing points - as the normally would - despite stating this at the top of the post. No amount of telling some of them, "yes it will stop outside your house like it usually does" would sink in.
(17 Sep 2020, 12:06 pm)tcts24 I'm fairly certain I didn't misinterpret. Provided the number and ultimate destination combined is different i.e. from Sunderland city centre one could catch a 23 to Dene Estate, Thorney Close or Hartlepool or one could get a 55, X6 or X7 to Peterlee. Renumbering the 10 from Newcastle so it doesn't look to similarly numbered to the X10 doesn't matter. They go in completely opposite directions and nobody could possibly get confused between them unless they are too thick or ingnorant to figure that out. If somebody can't or doesn't want to comprehend that not all buses go to the same places, then no elaberate numbering system will make a scrap of difference.People are thick and ignorant, though. Surely it would be in the bus companies interest to make it as simple as they possibly can?
I was astonded during last years Arriva strike, how many people on Facebook couldn't grasp that the handful of buses that were running would stop between the listed timing points - as the normally would - despite stating this at the top of the post. No amount of telling some of them, "yes it will stop outside your house like it usually does" would sink in.
(17 Sep 2020, 5:59 pm)Ianthegoon With reference to the comment about not reading destinations properly:
A friend of mine bought a minibus from the local bus company, intending to do it up as a camper van. Just before Christmas, we decorated it with light, trees and baubles, set the destination blind to read "Straight to Cuba", no route number, and drove it along our town's High Street, past all the bus stops. We were astonished just how many people stepped out to try and board - remember, no route number and a silly destination!
(17 Sep 2020, 5:59 pm)Ianthegoon With reference to the comment about not reading destinations properly:
A friend of mine bought a minibus from the local bus company, intending to do it up as a camper van. Just before Christmas, we decorated it with light, trees and baubles, set the destination blind to read "Straight to Cuba", no route number, and drove it along our town's High Street, past all the bus stops. We were astonished just how many people stepped out to try and board - remember, no route number and a silly destination!
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In terms of the 10, I quite like the way Trent Barton have done it for their 'nines' routes where it's 9.1 and 9.3 (used to be a 9.2 which got scrapped - don't have the gap). Could work well for the 10's 10.1 to Hexham, 10.2 for the 10A and 10.3 for the 10B
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Why is this any different or any better than using 10, 10A & 10B ?
Maybe to have the XLines routes re-blinded as "XL10" or XL47 to separate the brand further and avoid confusion, I think it would be quite different to anything anyone would have ever seen on their blinds too.
I think collectively, all the operators could come together and amicably agree to note have duplicates, its quite ridiculous, you have a 1 to Whitley Bay and a 1 to Cobalt both using the same road. If someone asks you if the 1 goes to Cobalt, you'd have to ask them which 1?! I know its a pipe dream but duplicate numbers should be a thing of the past. Trying to drive up patronage is as much about simplifying the customer experience as it is "jazzing it up". Reminds me of the 42 in Manchester years back which had; whereby you had to get the correct ticket for the bus that was coming and there were well over 5 operators on that route.
I have to agree with Streetdeckfan too in regards to the 10A, can't they renumber the 10A to the 11. From an enthusiast point of view, the 45/46/47 shouldn't be XLines but I do see the business case for it, they spend a lot of their time travelling on the 40/50mph A694 with far spaced out stops, they're also the quickest (only) way to the parts of town they serve.
(18 Sep 2020, 1:53 am)Big O Maybe to have the XLines routes re-blinded as "XL10" or XL47 to separate the brand further and avoid confusion, I think it would be quite different to anything anyone would have ever seen on their blinds too.
I think collectively, all the operators could come together and amicably agree to note have duplicates, its quite ridiculous, you have a 1 to Whitley Bay and a 1 to Cobalt both using the same road. If someone asks you if the 1 goes to Cobalt, you'd have to ask them which 1?! I know its a pipe dream but duplicate numbers should be a thing of the past. Trying to drive up patronage is as much about simplifying the customer experience as it is "jazzing it up". Reminds me of the 42 in Manchester years back which had; whereby you had to get the correct ticket for the bus that was coming and there were well over 5 operators on that route.
I have to agree with Streetdeckfan too in regards to the 10A, can't they renumber the 10A to the 11. From an enthusiast point of view, the 45/46/47 shouldn't be XLines but I do see the business case for it, they spend a lot of their time travelling on the 40/50mph A694 with far spaced out stops, they're also the quickest (only) way to the parts of town they serve.
(18 Sep 2020, 1:53 am)Big O Maybe to have the XLines routes re-blinded as "XL10" or XL47 to separate the brand further and avoid confusion, I think it would be quite different to anything anyone would have ever seen on their blinds too.
I think collectively, all the operators could come together and amicably agree to note have duplicates, its quite ridiculous, you have a 1 to Whitley Bay and a 1 to Cobalt both using the same road. If someone asks you if the 1 goes to Cobalt, you'd have to ask them which 1?! I know its a pipe dream but duplicate numbers should be a thing of the past. Trying to drive up patronage is as much about simplifying the customer experience as it is "jazzing it up". Reminds me of the 42 in Manchester years back which had; whereby you had to get the correct ticket for the bus that was coming and there were well over 5 operators on that route.
I have to agree with Streetdeckfan too in regards to the 10A, can't they renumber the 10A to the 11. From an enthusiast point of view, the 45/46/47 shouldn't be XLines but I do see the business case for it, they spend a lot of their time travelling on the 40/50mph A694 with far spaced out stops, they're also the quickest (only) way to the parts of town they serve.
(18 Sep 2020, 2:02 am)streetdeckfan Not sure if it ran exactly the same route, but I'm fairly certain the 10A replaced the 11!
(18 Sep 2020, 1:19 am)Bazza Why is this any different or any better than using 10, 10A & 10B ?
(18 Sep 2020, 1:19 am)Bazza Why is this any different or any better than using 10, 10A & 10B ?
(18 Sep 2020, 7:30 am)Storx Just personally think it looks better and it gives the idea that all three routes are as important as each other and go to different places. When you use A and B I'd think of them to be variations of a route ie go a different way as others have said but end in the same place or that the 10 is the main route and the A and B are occasional diversions which are infrequent and unimportant. Just differentiates it a bit to show they don't do that. But because of the 10.X it also shows that there is a common section at the same time.I can see your point having A or B next to the number should be for services that are only slightly different in route and start/ end in the same place. Was they any reason why Go North East changed the service number to the 10 in the first place when 602 was a good enough service number which stood out and still could have had unique branding.
Its also quite unique and would look good for the 10 branding in similar sense to 'The Nines'.
(18 Sep 2020, 7:30 am)Storx Just personally think it looks better and it gives the idea that all three routes are as important as each other and go to different places. When you use A and B I'd think of them to be variations of a route ie go a different way as others have said but end in the same place or that the 10 is the main route and the A and B are occasional diversions which are infrequent and unimportant. Just differentiates it a bit to show they don't do that. But because of the 10.X it also shows that there is a common section at the same time.I can see your point having A or B next to the number should be for services that are only slightly different in route and start/ end in the same place. Was they any reason why Go North East changed the service number to the 10 in the first place when 602 was a good enough service number which stood out and still could have had unique branding.
Its also quite unique and would look good for the 10 branding in similar sense to 'The Nines'.
https://twitter.com/AnonyBUS1/status/130...02304?s=19
1990 timetable and map for the Gateshead Garden Festival.
Thought it was worth sharing after the conversation recently regarding numbers and patterns
(19 Sep 2020, 5:05 pm)ASX_Terranova Hexham to Stanhope/Crook
(19 Sep 2020, 5:05 pm)ASX_Terranova Hexham to Stanhope/Crook
(19 Sep 2020, 5:05 pm)ASX_Terranova Hexham to Stanhope/CrookI did think you could combine the upper Weardale 101 and GNE 688 routes as Cowshill is only a few miles from Allenheads although getting two councils to support the same service likely be a challenge especially with both currently being contracted to two different operators atm.
(19 Sep 2020, 5:05 pm)ASX_Terranova Hexham to Stanhope/CrookI did think you could combine the upper Weardale 101 and GNE 688 routes as Cowshill is only a few miles from Allenheads although getting two councils to support the same service likely be a challenge especially with both currently being contracted to two different operators atm.
Could there be any scope in extending Team Valley works into Newcastle.
(20 Sep 2020, 10:55 am)big mac I think send the 93 and 94 over there.
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(20 Sep 2020, 10:55 am)big mac I think send the 93 and 94 over there.
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(20 Sep 2020, 10:55 am)big mac I think send the 93 and 94 over there.
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(20 Sep 2020, 10:55 am)big mac I think send the 93 and 94 over there.
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The 33 service in Sunderland has been messed about enough. I suggest it stays as close to the original 133 as possible. Messing around with it , alienates the passenger.