Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
I made this suggestion a few days ago as the X23.
I have renumbered it to the X3 and created a professional timetable for it
Here is an idea ?
Washington Galleries-Regent Centre
Service Number ... X123
Literately a limited stop to make it an Express. (Stop at locations only)
Washington Galleries
Concord Bus Station
Amazon Bus Station Follingsby
Jarrow Bus Station (for Metro link)
(Through tunnel)
Wallsend Bus Station (for Metro Link)
(Express )
Four Lane Ends Metro interchange - Park and Ride (possibly or direct to Freeman)
Freeman Hospital
South Gosforth Metro Station
Regent Centre Metro Station
Benefits is
Link to Amazon for North of Tyne
Direct link from Jarrow Metro to Wallsend Metro
Washington has a link to Freeman Hospital
Creating quicker links between Metro stations avoiding Newcastle City Centre
Jarrow has a direct link to Freeman Hospital
Serving Hospital and Amazon workers but improves reliability if Metro are off passengers visiting Hospital has a quick link
Wallsend to Amazon in less than 30mins perhaps?
(06 Jan 2022, 2:41 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Here is an idea ?For a while now, I've shared links that show traffic jams and tailbacks across T&W.
Washington Galleries-Regent Centre
Service Number ... X123
Literately a limited stop to make it an Express. (Stop at locations only)
Washington Galleries
Concord Bus Station
Amazon Bus Station Follingsby
Jarrow Bus Station (for Metro link)
(Through tunnel)
Wallsend Bus Station (for Metro Link)
(Express )
Four Lane Ends Metro interchange - Park and Ride (possibly or direct to Freeman)
Freeman Hospital
South Gosforth Metro Station
Regent Centre Metro Station
Benefits is
Link to Amazon for North of Tyne
Direct link from Jarrow Metro to Wallsend Metro
Washington has a link to Freeman Hospital
Creating quicker links between Metro stations avoiding Newcastle City Centre
Jarrow has a direct link to Freeman Hospital
Serving Hospital and Amazon workers but improves reliability if Metro are off passengers visiting Hospital has a quick link
Wallsend to Amazon in less than 30mins perhaps?
(06 Jan 2022, 2:41 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Here is an idea ?For a while now, I've shared links that show traffic jams and tailbacks across T&W.
Washington Galleries-Regent Centre
Service Number ... X123
Literately a limited stop to make it an Express. (Stop at locations only)
Washington Galleries
Concord Bus Station
Amazon Bus Station Follingsby
Jarrow Bus Station (for Metro link)
(Through tunnel)
Wallsend Bus Station (for Metro Link)
(Express )
Four Lane Ends Metro interchange - Park and Ride (possibly or direct to Freeman)
Freeman Hospital
South Gosforth Metro Station
Regent Centre Metro Station
Benefits is
Link to Amazon for North of Tyne
Direct link from Jarrow Metro to Wallsend Metro
Washington has a link to Freeman Hospital
Creating quicker links between Metro stations avoiding Newcastle City Centre
Jarrow has a direct link to Freeman Hospital
Serving Hospital and Amazon workers but improves reliability if Metro are off passengers visiting Hospital has a quick link
Wallsend to Amazon in less than 30mins perhaps?
(06 Jan 2022, 2:41 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Here is an idea ?I would extend it up the A690 to Sunderland as like a express to Washington. Or just send it straight up the A1231. Also From the Regent Centre you maybe could extend it to Haymarket with the Q3 to add a further connection to the bus station which Wallsend, nor Jarrow have at this moment.
Washington Galleries-Regent Centre
Service Number ... X123
Literately a limited stop to make it an Express. (Stop at locations only)
Washington Galleries
Concord Bus Station
Amazon Bus Station Follingsby
Jarrow Bus Station (for Metro link)
(Through tunnel)
Wallsend Bus Station (for Metro Link)
(Express )
Four Lane Ends Metro interchange - Park and Ride (possibly or direct to Freeman)
Freeman Hospital
South Gosforth Metro Station
Regent Centre Metro Station
Benefits is
Link to Amazon for North of Tyne
Direct link from Jarrow Metro to Wallsend Metro
Washington has a link to Freeman Hospital
Creating quicker links between Metro stations avoiding Newcastle City Centre
Jarrow has a direct link to Freeman Hospital
Serving Hospital and Amazon workers but improves reliability if Metro are off passengers visiting Hospital has a quick link
Wallsend to Amazon in less than 30mins perhaps?
(06 Jan 2022, 2:41 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Here is an idea ?I would extend it up the A690 to Sunderland as like a express to Washington. Or just send it straight up the A1231. Also From the Regent Centre you maybe could extend it to Haymarket with the Q3 to add a further connection to the bus station which Wallsend, nor Jarrow have at this moment.
Washington Galleries-Regent Centre
Service Number ... X123
Literately a limited stop to make it an Express. (Stop at locations only)
Washington Galleries
Concord Bus Station
Amazon Bus Station Follingsby
Jarrow Bus Station (for Metro link)
(Through tunnel)
Wallsend Bus Station (for Metro Link)
(Express )
Four Lane Ends Metro interchange - Park and Ride (possibly or direct to Freeman)
Freeman Hospital
South Gosforth Metro Station
Regent Centre Metro Station
Benefits is
Link to Amazon for North of Tyne
Direct link from Jarrow Metro to Wallsend Metro
Washington has a link to Freeman Hospital
Creating quicker links between Metro stations avoiding Newcastle City Centre
Jarrow has a direct link to Freeman Hospital
Serving Hospital and Amazon workers but improves reliability if Metro are off passengers visiting Hospital has a quick link
Wallsend to Amazon in less than 30mins perhaps?
(05 Jan 2022, 11:34 pm)Storx Ah possibly then might have got mixed up with something elsewhere. I know there was the big scandal with tachometers at Snaiths which muddles everything up which is when they gained some of those I believe.These all came about following that fall out with Howard Snaith which saw NCC strip them of all contracts with PCL winning most of the less frequent runs like the 808, 815, 882 & 885 with the 680 coming about as a result of that plus Tyne Valley Coaches deciding to withdraw their commercially operated 880 runs to Bellingham
(05 Jan 2022, 11:34 pm)Storx Ah possibly then might have got mixed up with something elsewhere. I know there was the big scandal with tachometers at Snaiths which muddles everything up which is when they gained some of those I believe.These all came about following that fall out with Howard Snaith which saw NCC strip them of all contracts with PCL winning most of the less frequent runs like the 808, 815, 882 & 885 with the 680 coming about as a result of that plus Tyne Valley Coaches deciding to withdraw their commercially operated 880 runs to Bellingham
(04 Jan 2022, 3:02 pm)MurdnunoC Is Metrocentre still a destination where people want to go?
If you're a teenager meeting friends; or if it raining and want to spend somewhere indoors; or if you're going to for something to eat then the cinema then yes, perhaps it is somewhere people still want to go, on occasion. However, the amount of boarded up shops and the introduction of things like Jobcentres, Eye Clinics and Community Hubs into empty units suggest Metrocentre is struggling for tenants and will be for years to come. I think the future of Metrocentre will be, at best, an out-of-town version of Jarrow, Wallsend, West Denton, or Stanley only with shops which are slightly more upmarket than your B&Ms or Shoezones (both of which are present at the Metrocentre) unless drastically changes soon. The main anchors have largely disappeared leaving only M&S, Next, and Primark in the centre itself, and IKEA in the Retail Parks, and only IKEA offers something which isn't found in any other town/city centre in the North East area.
So is it really a good move to extend the 29 to the Metrocentre? I'd argue probably not, especially in a climate where bus operators are seeking to cut costs wherever possible. Plus, in the past, there was a bus between Kibblesworth and Metrocentre which, presumably, wasn't massively popular otherwise it would still exist in some form.
The 29A seems like it would be a reintroduction of the 1/24/25... lineage of bus routes. Not necessarily against that idea, however it is unlikely it would be implemented as within the last year or so GNE have merged this into what was once the 25/X25/725 service between Langley Park and Newcastle. Presumably this was done to save a bus or two so unless there are major reliability issues further south on the route, it's probably nt happening.
(04 Jan 2022, 3:02 pm)MurdnunoC Is Metrocentre still a destination where people want to go?
If you're a teenager meeting friends; or if it raining and want to spend somewhere indoors; or if you're going to for something to eat then the cinema then yes, perhaps it is somewhere people still want to go, on occasion. However, the amount of boarded up shops and the introduction of things like Jobcentres, Eye Clinics and Community Hubs into empty units suggest Metrocentre is struggling for tenants and will be for years to come. I think the future of Metrocentre will be, at best, an out-of-town version of Jarrow, Wallsend, West Denton, or Stanley only with shops which are slightly more upmarket than your B&Ms or Shoezones (both of which are present at the Metrocentre) unless drastically changes soon. The main anchors have largely disappeared leaving only M&S, Next, and Primark in the centre itself, and IKEA in the Retail Parks, and only IKEA offers something which isn't found in any other town/city centre in the North East area.
So is it really a good move to extend the 29 to the Metrocentre? I'd argue probably not, especially in a climate where bus operators are seeking to cut costs wherever possible. Plus, in the past, there was a bus between Kibblesworth and Metrocentre which, presumably, wasn't massively popular otherwise it would still exist in some form.
The 29A seems like it would be a reintroduction of the 1/24/25... lineage of bus routes. Not necessarily against that idea, however it is unlikely it would be implemented as within the last year or so GNE have merged this into what was once the 25/X25/725 service between Langley Park and Newcastle. Presumably this was done to save a bus or two so unless there are major reliability issues further south on the route, it's probably nt happening.
But why Blaydon? You have yet to provide a reason why anyone from the West End of Newcastle would want to travel to Blaydon. The only reason I can think of is that YOU want to travel to Blaydon, which is fine, but at least be honest about it rather than disguising it under the premise of wanting to create new links between places where very few people either end of the route wish to travel
While Metrocentre is a ghost of what it is once was, it still provides a number of things which Blaydon does not. So diverting the 6 or the 7 away from the Metrocentre would be commercial suicide for either service. My point about Metrocentre, which I think you misunderstood, is that there is little point in creating new Metrocentre specific services, shoppers specials if you will, like we might have seen in the past as shopping habits have drastically changed over the last decade or so.
On a final note, there were once services which operated between Blaydon and Westerhope (616/617/641/M16/M17). The reason they originally existed was to provide Stella Power Station with a bus service. Once that was demolished in 1990 ridership declined which led to the eventual withdrawal of the route sometime in the early 2000s, if not earlier. So to go back to my opening question: Why Blaydon? What has suddenly changed which would make folk want to go there?
(06 Jan 2022, 7:49 pm)MurdnunoC But why Blaydon? You have yet to provide a reason why anyone from the West End of Newcastle would want to travel to Blaydon. The only reason I can think of is that YOU want to travel to Blaydon, which is fine, but at least be honest about it rather than disguising it under the premise of wanting to create new links between places where very few people either end of the route wish to travel
While Metrocentre is a ghost of what it is once was, it still provides a number of things which Blaydon does not. So diverting the 6 or the 7 away from the Metrocentre would be commercial suicide for either service. My point about Metrocentre, which I think you misunderstood, is that there is little point in creating new Metrocentre specific services, shoppers specials if you will, like we might have seen in the past as shopping habits have drastically changed over the last decade or so.
On a final note, there were once services which operated between Blaydon and Westerhope (616/617/641/M16/M17). The reason they originally existed was to provide Stella Power Station with a bus service. Once that was demolished in 1990 ridership declined which led to the eventual withdrawal of the route sometime in the early 2000s, if not earlier. So to go back to my opening question: Why Blaydon? What has suddenly changed which would make folk want to go there?
(06 Jan 2022, 7:49 pm)MurdnunoC But why Blaydon? You have yet to provide a reason why anyone from the West End of Newcastle would want to travel to Blaydon. The only reason I can think of is that YOU want to travel to Blaydon, which is fine, but at least be honest about it rather than disguising it under the premise of wanting to create new links between places where very few people either end of the route wish to travel
While Metrocentre is a ghost of what it is once was, it still provides a number of things which Blaydon does not. So diverting the 6 or the 7 away from the Metrocentre would be commercial suicide for either service. My point about Metrocentre, which I think you misunderstood, is that there is little point in creating new Metrocentre specific services, shoppers specials if you will, like we might have seen in the past as shopping habits have drastically changed over the last decade or so.
On a final note, there were once services which operated between Blaydon and Westerhope (616/617/641/M16/M17). The reason they originally existed was to provide Stella Power Station with a bus service. Once that was demolished in 1990 ridership declined which led to the eventual withdrawal of the route sometime in the early 2000s, if not earlier. So to go back to my opening question: Why Blaydon? What has suddenly changed which would make folk want to go there?
(06 Jan 2022, 7:49 pm)MurdnunoC But why Blaydon? You have yet to provide a reason why anyone from the West End of Newcastle would want to travel to Blaydon. The only reason I can think of is that YOU want to travel to Blaydon, which is fine, but at least be honest about it rather than disguising it under the premise of wanting to create new links between places where very few people either end of the route wish to travel
While Metrocentre is a ghost of what it is once was, it still provides a number of things which Blaydon does not. So diverting the 6 or the 7 away from the Metrocentre would be commercial suicide for either service. My point about Metrocentre, which I think you misunderstood, is that there is little point in creating new Metrocentre specific services, shoppers specials if you will, like we might have seen in the past as shopping habits have drastically changed over the last decade or so.
On a final note, there were once services which operated between Blaydon and Westerhope (616/617/641/M16/M17). The reason they originally existed was to provide Stella Power Station with a bus service. Once that was demolished in 1990 ridership declined which led to the eventual withdrawal of the route sometime in the early 2000s, if not earlier. So to go back to my opening question: Why Blaydon? What has suddenly changed which would make folk want to go there?
(06 Jan 2022, 7:49 pm)MurdnunoC But why Blaydon? You have yet to provide a reason why anyone from the West End of Newcastle would want to travel to Blaydon. The only reason I can think of is that YOU want to travel to Blaydon, which is fine, but at least be honest about it rather than disguising it under the premise of wanting to create new links between places where very few people either end of the route wish to travel
While Metrocentre is a ghost of what it is once was, it still provides a number of things which Blaydon does not. So diverting the 6 or the 7 away from the Metrocentre would be commercial suicide for either service. My point about Metrocentre, which I think you misunderstood, is that there is little point in creating new Metrocentre specific services, shoppers specials if you will, like we might have seen in the past as shopping habits have drastically changed over the last decade or so.
On a final note, there were once services which operated between Blaydon and Westerhope (616/617/641/M16/M17). The reason they originally existed was to provide Stella Power Station with a bus service. Once that was demolished in 1990 ridership declined which led to the eventual withdrawal of the route sometime in the early 2000s, if not earlier. So to go back to my opening question: Why Blaydon? What has suddenly changed which would make folk want to go there?
(06 Jan 2022, 8:25 pm)OrangeArrow49 In theory, because of the close proximity of Blaydon to West Newcastle, people might want to go there and whilst I do wish to go there and feel having to go into town and then back out is crazy and incentivises car ownership, creating new links, even infrequently, gives people the choice. The long withdrawn services from Westerhope inspired my thinking. Apologies I did misunderstand your post.
(06 Jan 2022, 8:25 pm)OrangeArrow49 In theory, because of the close proximity of Blaydon to West Newcastle, people might want to go there and whilst I do wish to go there and feel having to go into town and then back out is crazy and incentivises car ownership, creating new links, even infrequently, gives people the choice. The long withdrawn services from Westerhope inspired my thinking. Apologies I did misunderstand your post.
(06 Jan 2022, 8:39 pm)Storx I know there's a lot of joking around with Kingston Park and the Metro Centre lately but one thing that is noticeable is there's a large chunk of the West End without a link to any supermarket at all. Benwell and Elswick in particular don't and nor does a large chunk of West Road without trailing through to Byker for over 30 minutes. I'm not counting West Denton that place is terrible. Yet 5 minutes drive South is the biggest ASDA in the North East and 10 minutes North is the biggest Tesco in the North East.
It's similar around North Kenton, 5 minutes drive from Tesco Kingston Park, no service at all. 5 minutes from ASDA and M&S Gosforth no service at all. Nearest supermarket Morrisons West Denton, 27 minutes on a bus and it's crap.
I agree they don't deserve buses from everywhere but when you can't get the basics right it's no wonder people are driving. Tesco Kingston Park, ASDA Metro Centre and ASDA Gosforth are pretty much inaccessible from most of the Stagecoach network in North / West Newcastle and they're there to serve those areas pretty much.
(06 Jan 2022, 8:39 pm)Storx I know there's a lot of joking around with Kingston Park and the Metro Centre lately but one thing that is noticeable is there's a large chunk of the West End without a link to any supermarket at all. Benwell and Elswick in particular don't and nor does a large chunk of West Road without trailing through to Byker for over 30 minutes. I'm not counting West Denton that place is terrible. Yet 5 minutes drive South is the biggest ASDA in the North East and 10 minutes North is the biggest Tesco in the North East.
It's similar around North Kenton, 5 minutes drive from Tesco Kingston Park, no service at all. 5 minutes from ASDA and M&S Gosforth no service at all. Nearest supermarket Morrisons West Denton, 27 minutes on a bus and it's crap.
I agree they don't deserve buses from everywhere but when you can't get the basics right it's no wonder people are driving. Tesco Kingston Park, ASDA Metro Centre and ASDA Gosforth are pretty much inaccessible from most of the Stagecoach network in North / West Newcastle and they're there to serve those areas pretty much.
(06 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm)MurdnunoC Benwell, and by extension Elswick given it's relatively close proximity, has an Asda, Iceland and Lidl. The Asda isn't huge admittedly, but the presence of all three gives local shoppers a good deal of choice. Elswick/Arthurs Hill also has a small Asda Supermarket too.
If you're travelling to Tesco at Kingston Park or Asda at Metrocentre, then the chances are you're probably there to do a bigger shop than you normally would in Benwell. This means you'll probably be lugging around a trolley-load of shopping in carrier bags and, lets face it, the prospect of using a bus whilst carrying a load of shopping isn't the most desirable due to the lack of space etc. The chances are, even if there was a service available, people would still opt to use the car.
(06 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm)MurdnunoC Benwell, and by extension Elswick given it's relatively close proximity, has an Asda, Iceland and Lidl. The Asda isn't huge admittedly, but the presence of all three gives local shoppers a good deal of choice. Elswick/Arthurs Hill also has a small Asda Supermarket too.
If you're travelling to Tesco at Kingston Park or Asda at Metrocentre, then the chances are you're probably there to do a bigger shop than you normally would in Benwell. This means you'll probably be lugging around a trolley-load of shopping in carrier bags and, lets face it, the prospect of using a bus whilst carrying a load of shopping isn't the most desirable due to the lack of space etc. The chances are, even if there was a service available, people would still opt to use the car.
(06 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm)MurdnunoC Benwell, and by extension Elswick given it's relatively close proximity, has an Asda, Iceland and Lidl. The Asda isn't huge admittedly, but the presence of all three gives local shoppers a good deal of choice. Elswick/Arthurs Hill also has a small Asda Supermarket too.
If you're travelling to Tesco at Kingston Park or Asda at Metrocentre, then the chances are you're probably there to do a bigger shop than you normally would in Benwell. This means you'll probably be lugging around a trolley-load of shopping in carrier bags and, lets face it, the prospect of using a bus whilst carrying a load of shopping isn't the most desirable due to the lack of space etc. The chances are, even if there was a service available, people would still opt to use the car.
(06 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm)MurdnunoC Benwell, and by extension Elswick given it's relatively close proximity, has an Asda, Iceland and Lidl. The Asda isn't huge admittedly, but the presence of all three gives local shoppers a good deal of choice. Elswick/Arthurs Hill also has a small Asda Supermarket too.
If you're travelling to Tesco at Kingston Park or Asda at Metrocentre, then the chances are you're probably there to do a bigger shop than you normally would in Benwell. This means you'll probably be lugging around a trolley-load of shopping in carrier bags and, lets face it, the prospect of using a bus whilst carrying a load of shopping isn't the most desirable due to the lack of space etc. The chances are, even if there was a service available, people would still opt to use the car.
(06 Jan 2022, 9:08 pm)Adrian And there isn't anywhere to put a large shop on a bus. Most buses nowadays have zero luggage space, so you're limited at a bag or two at most.You know what your spot on. When I was a kid using the 20 service stagecoach in Sunderland there was room for passengers as well as luggage.
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(06 Jan 2022, 9:08 pm)Adrian And there isn't anywhere to put a large shop on a bus. Most buses nowadays have zero luggage space, so you're limited at a bag or two at most.You know what your spot on. When I was a kid using the 20 service stagecoach in Sunderland there was room for passengers as well as luggage.
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(06 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm)MurdnunoC But if these long withdrawn services didn't work in the period between 1990 and 2000 when the service existed outside of providing workers with transport to a place of employment; and at a time when car ownership was lower and internet shopping didn't exist; why might people suddenly want to travel to Blaydon now? West Denton has a Morrisons. Slatyford has a B&Ms (as well as a Lidl, a Wickes, and an Iceland). Kingston Park has a Home Bargains (and a whole host of other things). I can't see Boyes or Cooplands being that much of a draw where people would be coming to visit in their droves; and the rest of the shops in Blaydon Precinct are nothing to write home about either.
Creating infrequent links is not sustainable for a place like Blaydon. Now just supposing people did want to travel there to shop, would people really be prepared to go shopping then wait potentially hours for the bus back to Westerhope? Probably not, right? What would actually happen is people would travel into Newcastle then onto Westerhope in order to save time (and possibly sanity), thus doing the opposite of what the infrequent service sets out to achieve.
It's another dead horse suggestion I'm afraid.
(06 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm)MurdnunoC But if these long withdrawn services didn't work in the period between 1990 and 2000 when the service existed outside of providing workers with transport to a place of employment; and at a time when car ownership was lower and internet shopping didn't exist; why might people suddenly want to travel to Blaydon now? West Denton has a Morrisons. Slatyford has a B&Ms (as well as a Lidl, a Wickes, and an Iceland). Kingston Park has a Home Bargains (and a whole host of other things). I can't see Boyes or Cooplands being that much of a draw where people would be coming to visit in their droves; and the rest of the shops in Blaydon Precinct are nothing to write home about either.
Creating infrequent links is not sustainable for a place like Blaydon. Now just supposing people did want to travel there to shop, would people really be prepared to go shopping then wait potentially hours for the bus back to Westerhope? Probably not, right? What would actually happen is people would travel into Newcastle then onto Westerhope in order to save time (and possibly sanity), thus doing the opposite of what the infrequent service sets out to achieve.
It's another dead horse suggestion I'm afraid.
(06 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm)MurdnunoC But if these long withdrawn services didn't work in the period between 1990 and 2000 when the service existed outside of providing workers with transport to a place of employment; and at a time when car ownership was lower and internet shopping didn't exist; why might people suddenly want to travel to Blaydon now? West Denton has a Morrisons. Slatyford has a B&Ms (as well as a Lidl, a Wickes, and an Iceland). Kingston Park has a Home Bargains (and a whole host of other things). I can't see Boyes or Cooplands being that much of a draw where people would be coming to visit in their droves; and the rest of the shops in Blaydon Precinct are nothing to write home about either.
Creating infrequent links is not sustainable for a place like Blaydon. Now just supposing people did want to travel there to shop, would people really be prepared to go shopping then wait potentially hours for the bus back to Westerhope? Probably not, right? What would actually happen is people would travel into Newcastle then onto Westerhope in order to save time (and possibly sanity), thus doing the opposite of what the infrequent service sets out to achieve.
It's another dead horse suggestion I'm afraid.
(06 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm)MurdnunoC But if these long withdrawn services didn't work in the period between 1990 and 2000 when the service existed outside of providing workers with transport to a place of employment; and at a time when car ownership was lower and internet shopping didn't exist; why might people suddenly want to travel to Blaydon now? West Denton has a Morrisons. Slatyford has a B&Ms (as well as a Lidl, a Wickes, and an Iceland). Kingston Park has a Home Bargains (and a whole host of other things). I can't see Boyes or Cooplands being that much of a draw where people would be coming to visit in their droves; and the rest of the shops in Blaydon Precinct are nothing to write home about either.
Creating infrequent links is not sustainable for a place like Blaydon. Now just supposing people did want to travel there to shop, would people really be prepared to go shopping then wait potentially hours for the bus back to Westerhope? Probably not, right? What would actually happen is people would travel into Newcastle then onto Westerhope in order to save time (and possibly sanity), thus doing the opposite of what the infrequent service sets out to achieve.
It's another dead horse suggestion I'm afraid.
I give up.
I honestly find the idea of a suggestions thread laughable as operators in the region can barely operate the services they have yet alone start new ones based upon the whims of enthusiasts.
This situation isn't about to change.
Is it time to close these threads once and for all?
(07 Jan 2022, 2:35 am)OrangeArrow49 There is more to life than shopping, people might have family or friends in different areas. Also tickets are problematic as Blaydon is GNE and Westerhope is Stagecoach (apart from the 74) so it costs more in this case travelling into Newcastle and then on to Westerhope. Sometimes the demand hasn't been explored (a service could run from the Metrocentre to Blaydon or Elswick and it makes little difference).
(07 Jan 2022, 7:08 am)MurdnunoC I give up.
I honestly find the idea of a suggestions thread laughable as operators in the region can barely operate the services they have yet alone start new ones based upon the whims of enthusiasts.
This situation isn't about to change.
Is it time to close these threads once and for all?
(07 Jan 2022, 2:35 am)OrangeArrow49 There is more to life than shopping, people might have family or friends in different areas. Also tickets are problematic as Blaydon is GNE and Westerhope is Stagecoach (apart from the 74) so it costs more in this case travelling into Newcastle and then on to Westerhope. Sometimes the demand hasn't been explored (a service could run from the Metrocentre to Blaydon or Elswick and it makes little difference).
(07 Jan 2022, 7:08 am)MurdnunoC I give up.
I honestly find the idea of a suggestions thread laughable as operators in the region can barely operate the services they have yet alone start new ones based upon the whims of enthusiasts.
This situation isn't about to change.
Is it time to close these threads once and for all?
(07 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Adrian You could never design a route or timetable to cater for where everyone's friends or family might live. It's impossible to cater for all the variables that would throw up.
I'd imagine when trying to design or develop a service, that the starting point should be where there's a logical link, e.g. connecting villages to Town or City Centres, to services (e.g. Hospitals), or to employment hubs and so on.
For all we know, the demand you're suggesting hasn't been explored, could have been explored. It's not like operators haven't got access to this data, with so many using smart cards, ticketing and so on, all that leaves a trackable footprint every time you scan it. I'd argue that operators have a greater ability to measure demand now than they've ever had.
I'm starting to agree. I think the original purpose of these threads was to suggest minor tweaks or alterations with some logic behind them, not wholesale changes or complete network overhauls that are pure fantasy, and would really serve no objective than to suit a poster's own circumstances.
(07 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Adrian You could never design a route or timetable to cater for where everyone's friends or family might live. It's impossible to cater for all the variables that would throw up.
I'd imagine when trying to design or develop a service, that the starting point should be where there's a logical link, e.g. connecting villages to Town or City Centres, to services (e.g. Hospitals), or to employment hubs and so on.
For all we know, the demand you're suggesting hasn't been explored, could have been explored. It's not like operators haven't got access to this data, with so many using smart cards, ticketing and so on, all that leaves a trackable footprint every time you scan it. I'd argue that operators have a greater ability to measure demand now than they've ever had.
I'm starting to agree. I think the original purpose of these threads was to suggest minor tweaks or alterations with some logic behind them, not wholesale changes or complete network overhauls that are pure fantasy, and would really serve no objective than to suit a poster's own circumstances.
(07 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Adrian You could never design a route or timetable to cater for where everyone's friends or family might live. It's impossible to cater for all the variables that would throw up.I agree, if used appropriately, the data they have access to will be more accurate than ever before. However, there will still be gaps.
I'd imagine when trying to design or develop a service, that the starting point should be where there's a logical link, e.g. connecting villages to Town or City Centres, to services (e.g. Hospitals), or to employment hubs and so on.
For all we know, the demand you're suggesting hasn't been explored, could have been explored. It's not like operators haven't got access to this data, with so many using smart cards, ticketing and so on, all that leaves a trackable footprint every time you scan it. I'd argue that operators have a greater ability to measure demand now than they've ever had.
I'm starting to agree. I think the original purpose of these threads was to suggest minor tweaks or alterations with some logic behind them, not wholesale changes or complete network overhauls that are pure fantasy, and would really serve no objective than to suit a poster's own circumstances.
(07 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Adrian You could never design a route or timetable to cater for where everyone's friends or family might live. It's impossible to cater for all the variables that would throw up.I agree, if used appropriately, the data they have access to will be more accurate than ever before. However, there will still be gaps.
I'd imagine when trying to design or develop a service, that the starting point should be where there's a logical link, e.g. connecting villages to Town or City Centres, to services (e.g. Hospitals), or to employment hubs and so on.
For all we know, the demand you're suggesting hasn't been explored, could have been explored. It's not like operators haven't got access to this data, with so many using smart cards, ticketing and so on, all that leaves a trackable footprint every time you scan it. I'd argue that operators have a greater ability to measure demand now than they've ever had.
I'm starting to agree. I think the original purpose of these threads was to suggest minor tweaks or alterations with some logic behind them, not wholesale changes or complete network overhauls that are pure fantasy, and would really serve no objective than to suit a poster's own circumstances.
