Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(10 Jun 2023, 12:11 am)Andreos1 Do the majority of residents in those areas travel to and from Newcastle?
- Yes - Basically same services as now with frequency reductions but 51 properly amalgamated into the Coast Road corrdior. All 'slow' buses through Battle Hill Drive to further differentiate the X38.
Do the existing buses on the corridor get so full, they need to have this sort of frequency?
- Would reduce Newcastle - Station Road from 12x buses per hour to 10x (was a messy 18x per hour before QA) and Newcastle - Battle Hill from 9x buses per hour to 8x per hour.
Is there room for growth?
- Yes, new housing developments in East Benton and Holystone creating demand especially between Holystone & Newcastle and also new housing developments near North Tyneside Hospital creating demand for quicker variant of the 308/309.
If you can answer yes to at least two of those questions, then you may have a point.
If you can't answer yes to more than one of those questions, then I declare the whole Coast Road discussion null and void
(10 Jun 2023, 12:11 am)Andreos1 Do the majority of residents in those areas travel to and from Newcastle?
- Yes - Basically same services as now with frequency reductions but 51 properly amalgamated into the Coast Road corrdior. All 'slow' buses through Battle Hill Drive to further differentiate the X38.
Do the existing buses on the corridor get so full, they need to have this sort of frequency?
- Would reduce Newcastle - Station Road from 12x buses per hour to 10x (was a messy 18x per hour before QA) and Newcastle - Battle Hill from 9x buses per hour to 8x per hour.
Is there room for growth?
- Yes, new housing developments in East Benton and Holystone creating demand especially between Holystone & Newcastle and also new housing developments near North Tyneside Hospital creating demand for quicker variant of the 308/309.
If you can answer yes to at least two of those questions, then you may have a point.
If you can't answer yes to more than one of those questions, then I declare the whole Coast Road discussion null and void
Have to say " new housing estae" used to justify more buses to an area leave me scratching my head. In hazlerigg there are new developments to the east on the west of the village. Most houses have a double if not treble drive so you would expect them to have a car. I've seen absolutely zero increase in passengers at the bus stops closest to the developments..... and if you say worked at silverlink you hardley going to get the 44 to town then wait for a 309 to work when you can use the car you already have to drive up sandy lane then down the a19.
(10 Jun 2023, 12:04 am)L469 YVK Or.....an option to fully merge the 51 into the Coast Road network and shake off the 'Micky Mouse' route image
- 305 (every 30 minutes / 60 minutes) - Basically same as 51, half hourly Newcastle - Holystone Park, hourly to Whitley Bay
- 306 (every 30 minutes) - Newcastle to Tynemouth, additionally serves Hadrian Park
- 307 (every 30 minutes) - via Cobalt instead of Hadrian Park
- 308 (every 30 minutes) - Newcastle to Whitley Bay only, additionally serves Battle Hill Drive and via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads
- 309 (every 30 minutes) - Same route as now
- X38 (every 20 minutes) - Blyth to Coast Road / Wallsend Dene (same as current 308) then non-stop to Civic Centre, St Mary's Place and Haymarket
* Every 6 minutes Newcastle - Station Road
* Frequent Newcastle - Battle Hill service
* Relatively even 4x buses per hour Newcastle - Billy Mill
* Relatively even 4x buses per hour Newcastle - High Farm
* New X38 will be popular with 306/308 intentionally slowed down to 'encourage' passengers to use X38
(10 Jun 2023, 12:04 am)L469 YVK Or.....an option to fully merge the 51 into the Coast Road network and shake off the 'Micky Mouse' route image
- 305 (every 30 minutes / 60 minutes) - Basically same as 51, half hourly Newcastle - Holystone Park, hourly to Whitley Bay
- 306 (every 30 minutes) - Newcastle to Tynemouth, additionally serves Hadrian Park
- 307 (every 30 minutes) - via Cobalt instead of Hadrian Park
- 308 (every 30 minutes) - Newcastle to Whitley Bay only, additionally serves Battle Hill Drive and via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads
- 309 (every 30 minutes) - Same route as now
- X38 (every 20 minutes) - Blyth to Coast Road / Wallsend Dene (same as current 308) then non-stop to Civic Centre, St Mary's Place and Haymarket
* Every 6 minutes Newcastle - Station Road
* Frequent Newcastle - Battle Hill service
* Relatively even 4x buses per hour Newcastle - Billy Mill
* Relatively even 4x buses per hour Newcastle - High Farm
* New X38 will be popular with 306/308 intentionally slowed down to 'encourage' passengers to use X38
New Service 90:
Newcastle, Team Valley, Portobello, Vigo Estate, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Biddick, Fatfield, Barnwell, Penshaw, Shiney Row.
Couple of Questions:
(12 Jun 2023, 1:00 pm)ASX_Terranova New Service 90:
Newcastle, Team Valley, Portobello, Vigo Estate, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Biddick, Fatfield, Barnwell, Penshaw, Shiney Row.
Couple of Questions:
- Could a bus be turned here (https://goo.gl/maps/qXaGyN1drVhwzcaz5)?
- Could use a full length single decker if the bus used this route.
- Is there justification to run the 91 all day.
(12 Jun 2023, 1:00 pm)ASX_Terranova New Service 90:
Newcastle, Team Valley, Portobello, Vigo Estate, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Biddick, Fatfield, Barnwell, Penshaw, Shiney Row.
Couple of Questions:
- Could a bus be turned here (https://goo.gl/maps/qXaGyN1drVhwzcaz5)?
- Could use a full length single decker if the bus used this route.
- Is there justification to run the 91 all day.
(12 Jun 2023, 1:22 pm)Andreos1 It would be very tight.
If you're going to have something on Success Road, I'd suggest some sort of one way loop myself.
Shiney Row Shops (where the 4 and 78 stop) - Chester Road - Golf Course Road - Success Road - Herrington Burn - Shiney Row (where the X1 stops).
(12 Jun 2023, 1:22 pm)Andreos1 It would be very tight.
If you're going to have something on Success Road, I'd suggest some sort of one way loop myself.
Shiney Row Shops (where the 4 and 78 stop) - Chester Road - Golf Course Road - Success Road - Herrington Burn - Shiney Row (where the X1 stops).
With stagecoach withdrawing the 12, would it be worth extending the 33 to Doxford Park. Maybe drop the houghton and washington sections of the 39A/B and extend the 33 instead.
(18 Jun 2023, 5:34 pm)ASX_Terranova With stagecoach withdrawing the 12, would it be worth extending the 33 to Doxford Park. Maybe drop the houghton and washington sections of the 39A/B and extend the 33 instead.
(18 Jun 2023, 5:34 pm)ASX_Terranova With stagecoach withdrawing the 12, would it be worth extending the 33 to Doxford Park. Maybe drop the houghton and washington sections of the 39A/B and extend the 33 instead.
(19 Jun 2023, 11:13 pm)Acky81 33 has been done a few times to Doxford and never worked
Can’t drop the Washington and Houghton as I think nexus pays for them since these replaced the 37 and 55 routes
Has there ever been a service that exists in which A to B gets busy and C-D get busy but the route needs to run A-B-C-D for operational convenience even though nobody would travel between B & C.
(05 Jul 2023, 5:30 pm)ASX_Terranova Has there ever been a service that exists in which A to B gets busy and C-D get busy but the route needs to run A-B-C-D for operational convenience even though nobody would travel between B & C.
(10 Jun 2023, 6:20 pm)Storx See personally if I was going to do this I'd just scrap everything and start again, the routes now aren't ideal and are from yesteryear and change it to something like.Why does everyone think there should be a link between Marden and Battle hill. Why not have X38 Whitley Bay to Newcastle via old 44 route non stop along the Coast Rd. from Norham Rd. and keep the 308 as it is.
55 - Every 30 Minutes, Current Route
56 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - South Gosforth - Four Lane Ends - Benton - Benton Rise - ASDA - Holystone - Shiremoor - Briardene - Whitley Bay
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55/56 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle to Benton
57/57A - Whitley Bay to North Shields restored
Cobalt Connect
80 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Wallsend Dene - Silverlink (The Silverlink) - Cobalt - New York - NT Hospital - Whitley Bay - Blyth via Links Road
80A - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Wallsend Dene - Silverlink (The Silverlink) - Cobalt - New York - NT Hospital - Whitley Bay - Blyth via South Beach
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80/80A - Every 15 Minutes, Express Newcastle to Silverlink / Cobalt / Whitley Bay / Blyth
Coastal Loop
81 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill - Silverlink (A1058) - Billy Mill - Lynn Road - NT Hospital - Morrisons - Marden - Cullercoats - Tynemouth
82 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill - Silverlink (A1058) - Verne Road - Central Avenue - Landestown Terrace - Hawkeys Lane - North Shields - Tynemouth
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81/82 - Every 15 Minutes, Express Newcastle to Battle Hill, Then serve all the coast - connect with each other in Tynemouth
'The Slow Ones' Loop
83 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Wiltshire Drive - High Farm - Battle Hill - Middle Engine Lane - Norham Road - Billy Mill - Queen Alexander Road - North Shields
84 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Battle Hill - High Farm - Hadrian Park - Middle Engine Lane - Norham Road - Meadowell - North Shields
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83/84 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle - Middle Engine Lane - Cobalt South - Norham Road, connect with each other in North Shields
Other Combined Corridors
57/57A/83, Every 15 Minutes Billy Mill to North Shields
80/80A/81/82 - Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Selby Gardens
81/82/83/84 - 8x buses, Newcastle to Battle Hill
It connects communities together much better than what's there now and makes more sense with the 306 extension and also reduces the overkill of buses at the Northern side. I'd imagine it's actually a PVR reduction from it but haven't worked it. Tynemouth etc still has the same buses but they just go in opposite directions for example and most people arguably should be using the Metro anyway. I know there's a few areas with reductions ie. Lynn Road and the 306 from Billy Mill to Tynemouth but somewhere had to take the hit and sadly it was them but most of it has gained the 57/57A to compensate for it for people doing local journeys.
(10 Jun 2023, 6:20 pm)Storx See personally if I was going to do this I'd just scrap everything and start again, the routes now aren't ideal and are from yesteryear and change it to something like.Why does everyone think there should be a link between Marden and Battle hill. Why not have X38 Whitley Bay to Newcastle via old 44 route non stop along the Coast Rd. from Norham Rd. and keep the 308 as it is.
55 - Every 30 Minutes, Current Route
56 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - South Gosforth - Four Lane Ends - Benton - Benton Rise - ASDA - Holystone - Shiremoor - Briardene - Whitley Bay
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55/56 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle to Benton
57/57A - Whitley Bay to North Shields restored
Cobalt Connect
80 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Wallsend Dene - Silverlink (The Silverlink) - Cobalt - New York - NT Hospital - Whitley Bay - Blyth via Links Road
80A - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Wallsend Dene - Silverlink (The Silverlink) - Cobalt - New York - NT Hospital - Whitley Bay - Blyth via South Beach
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80/80A - Every 15 Minutes, Express Newcastle to Silverlink / Cobalt / Whitley Bay / Blyth
Coastal Loop
81 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill - Silverlink (A1058) - Billy Mill - Lynn Road - NT Hospital - Morrisons - Marden - Cullercoats - Tynemouth
82 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill - Silverlink (A1058) - Verne Road - Central Avenue - Landestown Terrace - Hawkeys Lane - North Shields - Tynemouth
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81/82 - Every 15 Minutes, Express Newcastle to Battle Hill, Then serve all the coast - connect with each other in Tynemouth
'The Slow Ones' Loop
83 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Wiltshire Drive - High Farm - Battle Hill - Middle Engine Lane - Norham Road - Billy Mill - Queen Alexander Road - North Shields
84 - Every 30 Minutes, Newcastle - Battle Hill - High Farm - Hadrian Park - Middle Engine Lane - Norham Road - Meadowell - North Shields
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83/84 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle - Middle Engine Lane - Cobalt South - Norham Road, connect with each other in North Shields
Other Combined Corridors
57/57A/83, Every 15 Minutes Billy Mill to North Shields
80/80A/81/82 - Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Selby Gardens
81/82/83/84 - 8x buses, Newcastle to Battle Hill
It connects communities together much better than what's there now and makes more sense with the 306 extension and also reduces the overkill of buses at the Northern side. I'd imagine it's actually a PVR reduction from it but haven't worked it. Tynemouth etc still has the same buses but they just go in opposite directions for example and most people arguably should be using the Metro anyway. I know there's a few areas with reductions ie. Lynn Road and the 306 from Billy Mill to Tynemouth but somewhere had to take the hit and sadly it was them but most of it has gained the 57/57A to compensate for it for people doing local journeys.
(06 Jul 2023, 10:06 am)ian foster Why does everyone think there should be a link between Marden and Battle hill. Why not have X38 Whitley Bay to Newcastle via old 44 route non stop along the Coast Rd. from Norham Rd. and keep the 308 as it is.
(06 Jul 2023, 10:06 am)ian foster Why does everyone think there should be a link between Marden and Battle hill. Why not have X38 Whitley Bay to Newcastle via old 44 route non stop along the Coast Rd. from Norham Rd. and keep the 308 as it is.
(05 Jul 2023, 5:30 pm)ASX_Terranova Has there ever been a service that exists in which A to B gets busy and C-D get busy but the route needs to run A-B-C-D for operational convenience even though nobody would travel between B & C.
(05 Jul 2023, 5:30 pm)ASX_Terranova Has there ever been a service that exists in which A to B gets busy and C-D get busy but the route needs to run A-B-C-D for operational convenience even though nobody would travel between B & C.
(06 Jul 2023, 11:19 am)Unber43 I cannot be the only one who wishes the 51/52/93/94 would be proper loops similar to the 53/54.
(06 Jul 2023, 11:19 am)Unber43 I cannot be the only one who wishes the 51/52/93/94 would be proper loops similar to the 53/54.
(06 Jul 2023, 11:27 am)Storx Can't imagine there's any bus service like that as it just doesn't make sense.
There's plenty of services where people would do A - B, B - C, and C - D but no-one unless they're mentally insane would do A - D. The 10, 27, 56 (all GNE), 43 (Morpeth) and X18 (both Arriva) to pick some.
(06 Jul 2023, 11:27 am)Storx Can't imagine there's any bus service like that as it just doesn't make sense.
There's plenty of services where people would do A - B, B - C, and C - D but no-one unless they're mentally insane would do A - D. The 10, 27, 56 (all GNE), 43 (Morpeth) and X18 (both Arriva) to pick some.
