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09 Oct 2016, 10:08 pm #141
(09 Oct 2016, 9:03 pm)thetravelman I would like to see the TEN group of services receive some new buses, either a full set for the PVR or just to make up the existing branded to a full set, so that Red corporate vehicles don't have to be used. Don't think it is very good having so many TEN service being run by a Red corporate vehicle.

Are the TEN likely to receive an upgrade soon, or even just the few to make up the full PVR in branded spec?
My thoughts on new orders and cascades :-


19 Wright streetdeck for Chester. 17 for Angel 21, and two red spares for X21/21.

15 B5H to Stanley for Red Kite.

B9TL 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS 327.

Streetlite 5409-18 to Riverside for Blaydon Racer.  5419 to Riverside as a spare for X66/49.

Mercedes Citaro 5275-83/5292 onto Green Arrow, with 5323 to Stanley for 16/16A.


18 Optare MetroDecker for Riverside/Hexham. 16 for TyneValley (was TEN), with 2 red spares.

B9TL 6071-83 onto Crusader, with 6084 as a red spare.

Mercedes Citaro 5310-18 onto Loop.  5319 as red spare.

Mercedes Citaro 5328/29/30/31 to Hexham for Tynedale Express, with 5332 as a red spare.

Scania 5229/30/31/32/33 to Chester for Waggonway 28/28A.


This would allow 4926-4949 and 4954-66 to be withdrawn, and 4967 to become red spare.
5218-28 would be used on 67/69, with 7 spare.


3941/3942/43, 3962/63/64/65 would become spare, allowing 3885/86/87/88/89/90/91 to be withdrawn.
park5354
09 Oct 2016, 10:08 pm #141

(09 Oct 2016, 9:03 pm)thetravelman I would like to see the TEN group of services receive some new buses, either a full set for the PVR or just to make up the existing branded to a full set, so that Red corporate vehicles don't have to be used. Don't think it is very good having so many TEN service being run by a Red corporate vehicle.

Are the TEN likely to receive an upgrade soon, or even just the few to make up the full PVR in branded spec?
My thoughts on new orders and cascades :-


19 Wright streetdeck for Chester. 17 for Angel 21, and two red spares for X21/21.

15 B5H to Stanley for Red Kite.

B9TL 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS 327.

Streetlite 5409-18 to Riverside for Blaydon Racer.  5419 to Riverside as a spare for X66/49.

Mercedes Citaro 5275-83/5292 onto Green Arrow, with 5323 to Stanley for 16/16A.


18 Optare MetroDecker for Riverside/Hexham. 16 for TyneValley (was TEN), with 2 red spares.

B9TL 6071-83 onto Crusader, with 6084 as a red spare.

Mercedes Citaro 5310-18 onto Loop.  5319 as red spare.

Mercedes Citaro 5328/29/30/31 to Hexham for Tynedale Express, with 5332 as a red spare.

Scania 5229/30/31/32/33 to Chester for Waggonway 28/28A.


This would allow 4926-4949 and 4954-66 to be withdrawn, and 4967 to become red spare.
5218-28 would be used on 67/69, with 7 spare.


3941/3942/43, 3962/63/64/65 would become spare, allowing 3885/86/87/88/89/90/91 to be withdrawn.

Venturego



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09 Oct 2016, 10:17 pm #142
(09 Oct 2016, 10:00 pm)Michael Not sure if i'm right but looking on the fleet list there's only 11 more B10's left in the main fleet... It'll not long before they go.

Didn't even notice they're going do fast.
Should GNE consider Volvo 7900 as Full size single Decker for selected services: e.g. Northern Service 6 (re-branded as Newcastle Diamond / Magpie, X30-2 / X70-1/ Coaster, Crusader, new services servicing Airport from County Durham and Tee-side?
Branding in General: I would like to see a much more uniform approach to branding i.e, Corporate identity and Sub branding in a defined font, with secondary route branding and colour identity still being identifiable  as related to Corporate Brand ("Go Northeast" (Northern Depots) / "Northern" (Southern Depots).

Route Branding has, in my opinion, become too diverse and unrelated to corporate identity. My marketing and brand background is from 30 years in Multi-national, where link to Corporate brand is paramount to perception of quality and consistence of service.
Be interested to hear views on how brands / sub-brands - route branding should evolve to incorporate corporate values. - I think Brand/ Route Marketing within GNE are currently given too free reign, and focus should be much more on corporate promoting standards of quality and service and fewer meaningless route brands.
Express
Express services should have some point of difference e.g.  Limited stops, ex National Express Coaches used on long distance routes and on possible new routes to Airport where luggage is anticipated and journeys charged at premium fares (But below alternative methods of travel e.g. via multi mode/ rail)
Edited 09 Oct 2016, 10:49 pm by Venturego.
Venturego
09 Oct 2016, 10:17 pm #142

(09 Oct 2016, 10:00 pm)Michael Not sure if i'm right but looking on the fleet list there's only 11 more B10's left in the main fleet... It'll not long before they go.

Didn't even notice they're going do fast.
Should GNE consider Volvo 7900 as Full size single Decker for selected services: e.g. Northern Service 6 (re-branded as Newcastle Diamond / Magpie, X30-2 / X70-1/ Coaster, Crusader, new services servicing Airport from County Durham and Tee-side?
Branding in General: I would like to see a much more uniform approach to branding i.e, Corporate identity and Sub branding in a defined font, with secondary route branding and colour identity still being identifiable  as related to Corporate Brand ("Go Northeast" (Northern Depots) / "Northern" (Southern Depots).

Route Branding has, in my opinion, become too diverse and unrelated to corporate identity. My marketing and brand background is from 30 years in Multi-national, where link to Corporate brand is paramount to perception of quality and consistence of service.
Be interested to hear views on how brands / sub-brands - route branding should evolve to incorporate corporate values. - I think Brand/ Route Marketing within GNE are currently given too free reign, and focus should be much more on corporate promoting standards of quality and service and fewer meaningless route brands.
Express
Express services should have some point of difference e.g.  Limited stops, ex National Express Coaches used on long distance routes and on possible new routes to Airport where luggage is anticipated and journeys charged at premium fares (But below alternative methods of travel e.g. via multi mode/ rail)

Jamie M

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09 Oct 2016, 11:52 pm #143
Single deckers on northerns or X30s as an investment is cruel. Peak journeys on omnicities on either regularly leaves 12 standing, and every seat filled on an omnidekka or president.
If anything other than double deckers are cascaded on to either, I'm getting my bike out and cycling - it's ridiculous how packed they get at times and how many complaints about it get ignored.
Jamie M
09 Oct 2016, 11:52 pm #143

Single deckers on northerns or X30s as an investment is cruel. Peak journeys on omnicities on either regularly leaves 12 standing, and every seat filled on an omnidekka or president.
If anything other than double deckers are cascaded on to either, I'm getting my bike out and cycling - it's ridiculous how packed they get at times and how many complaints about it get ignored.

Rapidsnap

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10 Oct 2016, 1:59 pm #144
Trident 3867 has reverted back to its original registration and is currently in the process of losing its extended luggage racks.
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Rapidsnap
10 Oct 2016, 1:59 pm #144

Trident 3867 has reverted back to its original registration and is currently in the process of losing its extended luggage racks.

Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.

Malarkey



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10 Oct 2016, 2:49 pm #145
Had 703 on the 82 earlier on, and the Bus Station Manager came over to speak to the driver at The Galleries, in which he advised that Head Office had been on phone asking why the older Solos were on the 82 and why two SR's were on the 86 and advised them to be swapped over asap.
Malarkey
10 Oct 2016, 2:49 pm #145

Had 703 on the 82 earlier on, and the Bus Station Manager came over to speak to the driver at The Galleries, in which he advised that Head Office had been on phone asking why the older Solos were on the 82 and why two SR's were on the 86 and advised them to be swapped over asap.

S813 FVK



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10 Oct 2016, 2:54 pm #146
(10 Oct 2016, 1:59 pm)GMitchelhill Trident 3867 has reverted back to its original registration and is currently in the process of losing its extended luggage racks.

3866 should have reverted back to its original registration too
S813 FVK
10 Oct 2016, 2:54 pm #146

(10 Oct 2016, 1:59 pm)GMitchelhill Trident 3867 has reverted back to its original registration and is currently in the process of losing its extended luggage racks.

3866 should have reverted back to its original registration too

NK53 TKT

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10 Oct 2016, 6:28 pm #147
(08 Oct 2016, 3:42 pm)G-CPTN Still no NSAs on TEN.

or the Q3
NK53 TKT
10 Oct 2016, 6:28 pm #147

(08 Oct 2016, 3:42 pm)G-CPTN Still no NSAs on TEN.

or the Q3

Dan

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11 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm #148
(09 Oct 2016, 3:40 pm)JP6004 Would 5323 be repainted for Diamond and 5292 go to riverside for 57 upon its return? I'm aware that there has been instances where companies have done this out of respect...

(09 Oct 2016, 3:47 pm)S813 FVK I was thinking something like this. 4907 was swapped with 4843 (initially 4845) after its incident, albeit that wasn't off the road for half as long as 5292.

5323 is the first Mercedes Citaro in the fleet to be repainted into the new corporate livery - so no is the answer to your question!

The reason why it hasn't been repainted for the Durham Diamond is not out of a lack of respect at all... There are reasons why it hasn't been done, but one of the main reasons is that 5323 is a spare Euro 5 vehicle for Riverside. Until 5292 returns to service, Riverside would gain float 4896 (Euro 2). This would not be practical, when Riverside has a large number of contracts stipulating the use of a Euro 5 vehicle on evenings/Sundays.
Dan
11 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm #148

(09 Oct 2016, 3:40 pm)JP6004 Would 5323 be repainted for Diamond and 5292 go to riverside for 57 upon its return? I'm aware that there has been instances where companies have done this out of respect...

(09 Oct 2016, 3:47 pm)S813 FVK I was thinking something like this. 4907 was swapped with 4843 (initially 4845) after its incident, albeit that wasn't off the road for half as long as 5292.

5323 is the first Mercedes Citaro in the fleet to be repainted into the new corporate livery - so no is the answer to your question!

The reason why it hasn't been repainted for the Durham Diamond is not out of a lack of respect at all... There are reasons why it hasn't been done, but one of the main reasons is that 5323 is a spare Euro 5 vehicle for Riverside. Until 5292 returns to service, Riverside would gain float 4896 (Euro 2). This would not be practical, when Riverside has a large number of contracts stipulating the use of a Euro 5 vehicle on evenings/Sundays.

JP6004



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11 Oct 2016, 4:36 pm #149
(11 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm)Dan 5323 is the first Mercedes Citaro in the fleet to be repainted into the new corporate livery - so no is the answer to your question!

The reason why it hasn't been repainted for the Durham Diamond is not out of a lack of respect at all... There are reasons why it hasn't been done, but one of the main reasons is that 5323 is a spare Euro 5 vehicle for Riverside. Until 5292 returns to service, Riverside would gain float 4896 (Euro 2). This would not be practical, when Riverside has a large number of contracts stipulating the use of a Euro 5 vehicle on evenings/Sundays.

I meant no offence by the comment. Im just aware that on occasions that this has been done in the past. I just thought it might of been an opportunity to get rid of the B10 sooner than later.
Are there any plans to replace 4896 before 5292 returns?
JP6004
11 Oct 2016, 4:36 pm #149

(11 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm)Dan 5323 is the first Mercedes Citaro in the fleet to be repainted into the new corporate livery - so no is the answer to your question!

The reason why it hasn't been repainted for the Durham Diamond is not out of a lack of respect at all... There are reasons why it hasn't been done, but one of the main reasons is that 5323 is a spare Euro 5 vehicle for Riverside. Until 5292 returns to service, Riverside would gain float 4896 (Euro 2). This would not be practical, when Riverside has a large number of contracts stipulating the use of a Euro 5 vehicle on evenings/Sundays.

I meant no offence by the comment. Im just aware that on occasions that this has been done in the past. I just thought it might of been an opportunity to get rid of the B10 sooner than later.
Are there any plans to replace 4896 before 5292 returns?

V514DFT



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11 Oct 2016, 4:38 pm #150
(11 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm)Dan 5323 is the first Mercedes Citaro in the fleet to be repainted into the new corporate livery - so no is the answer to your question!

The reason why it hasn't been repainted for the Durham Diamond is not out of a lack of respect at all... There are reasons why it hasn't been done, but one of the main reasons is that 5323 is a spare Euro 5 vehicle for Riverside. Until 5292 returns to service, Riverside would gain float 4896 (Euro 2). This would not be practical, when Riverside has a large number of contracts stipulating the use of a Euro 5 vehicle on evenings/Sundays.

And because durham diamond doesnt exsist anymore so to have a bus in that livery,would that not be false advertising
Edited 11 Oct 2016, 4:38 pm by V514DFT.
V514DFT
11 Oct 2016, 4:38 pm #150

(11 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm)Dan 5323 is the first Mercedes Citaro in the fleet to be repainted into the new corporate livery - so no is the answer to your question!

The reason why it hasn't been repainted for the Durham Diamond is not out of a lack of respect at all... There are reasons why it hasn't been done, but one of the main reasons is that 5323 is a spare Euro 5 vehicle for Riverside. Until 5292 returns to service, Riverside would gain float 4896 (Euro 2). This would not be practical, when Riverside has a large number of contracts stipulating the use of a Euro 5 vehicle on evenings/Sundays.

And because durham diamond doesnt exsist anymore so to have a bus in that livery,would that not be false advertising

Tom

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11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm #151
(11 Oct 2016, 4:38 pm)V514DFT And because durham diamond doesnt exsist anymore so to have a bus in that livery,would that not be false advertising

It does on the 16/16A Smile
Tom
11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm #151

(11 Oct 2016, 4:38 pm)V514DFT And because durham diamond doesnt exsist anymore so to have a bus in that livery,would that not be false advertising

It does on the 16/16A Smile

citaro5284



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11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm #152
(11 Oct 2016, 4:36 pm)JP6004 I meant no offence by the comment. Im just aware that on occasions that this has been done in the past. I just thought it might of been an opportunity to get rid of the B10 sooner than later.
Are there any plans to replace 4896 before 5292 returns?

It has been done loads in the past.  Think the last one was 4993 when it was moved from Sunderland Road and there was also a Verde was moved from Winlaton when a driver was killed.
citaro5284
11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm #152

(11 Oct 2016, 4:36 pm)JP6004 I meant no offence by the comment. Im just aware that on occasions that this has been done in the past. I just thought it might of been an opportunity to get rid of the B10 sooner than later.
Are there any plans to replace 4896 before 5292 returns?

It has been done loads in the past.  Think the last one was 4993 when it was moved from Sunderland Road and there was also a Verde was moved from Winlaton when a driver was killed.

streetlite5402



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11 Oct 2016, 4:47 pm #153
(11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm)citaro5284 It has been done loads in the past.  Think the last one was 4993 when it was moved from Sunderland Road and there was also a Verde was moved from Winlaton when a driver was killed.

Can recall a fatal accident with a cyclist in Craghead a few years ago involving a Chester Lime although the vehicle wasn't transferred. Likewise when 6065 hit a cyclist in Low Fell a few years ago. 

Seems to be mostly the case when the vehicle involved is not branded and therefore repaints don't need to occur.
streetlite5402
11 Oct 2016, 4:47 pm #153

(11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm)citaro5284 It has been done loads in the past.  Think the last one was 4993 when it was moved from Sunderland Road and there was also a Verde was moved from Winlaton when a driver was killed.

Can recall a fatal accident with a cyclist in Craghead a few years ago involving a Chester Lime although the vehicle wasn't transferred. Likewise when 6065 hit a cyclist in Low Fell a few years ago. 

Seems to be mostly the case when the vehicle involved is not branded and therefore repaints don't need to occur.

S813 FVK



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11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm #154
6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/
Edited 11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm by S813 FVK.
S813 FVK
11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm #154

6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/

V514DFT



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11 Oct 2016, 5:17 pm #155
(11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm)Tom It does on the 16/16A Smile

Im having a bad day mate i mis-read it
V514DFT
11 Oct 2016, 5:17 pm #155

(11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm)Tom It does on the 16/16A Smile

Im having a bad day mate i mis-read it

Michael



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11 Oct 2016, 5:47 pm #156
(11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm)S813 FVK 6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/

Looks quite smart on the Omnidekka.
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Michael
11 Oct 2016, 5:47 pm #156

(11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm)S813 FVK 6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/

Looks quite smart on the Omnidekka.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Pulsar



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11 Oct 2016, 5:54 pm #157
(11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm)S813 FVK 6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/

Like the look of that but im sure it will look even better when the new logo is applied. Hope that happens soon.
My Flickr Account - Photos from the North East and Beyond.
Pulsar
11 Oct 2016, 5:54 pm #157

(11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm)S813 FVK 6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/

Like the look of that but im sure it will look even better when the new logo is applied. Hope that happens soon.

My Flickr Account - Photos from the North East and Beyond.

Michael



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11 Oct 2016, 6:43 pm #158
The fleet allocation PDF shows the new colours for the new fleet livery
Edited 11 Oct 2016, 6:43 pm by Michael.
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11 Oct 2016, 6:43 pm #158

The fleet allocation PDF shows the new colours for the new fleet livery

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11 Oct 2016, 7:06 pm #159
(11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm)citaro5284 It has been done loads in the past.  Think the last one was 4993 when it was moved from Sunderland Road and there was also a Verde was moved from Winlaton when a driver was killed.

Yes I believe the Verde was transfered to Bishop Auckland , we used it on the X23 , X27 and 684

The plaxton Verde ... wasnt it a B10 (4813 o 4816)
Edited 11 Oct 2016, 7:08 pm by pdiddy.
pdiddy
11 Oct 2016, 7:06 pm #159

(11 Oct 2016, 4:42 pm)citaro5284 It has been done loads in the past.  Think the last one was 4993 when it was moved from Sunderland Road and there was also a Verde was moved from Winlaton when a driver was killed.

Yes I believe the Verde was transfered to Bishop Auckland , we used it on the X23 , X27 and 684

The plaxton Verde ... wasnt it a B10 (4813 o 4816)

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11 Oct 2016, 8:32 pm #160
(11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm)S813 FVK 6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/

Annoyingly missed a photo of this on Monday whilst I was parked outside Saltmeadows waiting for 4708 to leave. Noticed to late that it was shunting around the yard.
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Rapidsnap
11 Oct 2016, 8:32 pm #160

(11 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm)S813 FVK 6142 fully repainted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131920082@...ateposted/

Annoyingly missed a photo of this on Monday whilst I was parked outside Saltmeadows waiting for 4708 to leave. Noticed to late that it was shunting around the yard.

Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.

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