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Andreos1



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07 Dec 2016, 11:07 pm #101
(07 Dec 2016, 10:57 pm)Michael Won't the Northern trains have WIFI, plugs etc? or i'm i thinking of a different company?

http://maps.dft.gov.uk/northern/

At the very least, frequency between Boro and Tyneside is matched with the X9/10.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
07 Dec 2016, 11:07 pm #101

(07 Dec 2016, 10:57 pm)Michael Won't the Northern trains have WIFI, plugs etc? or i'm i thinking of a different company?

http://maps.dft.gov.uk/northern/

At the very least, frequency between Boro and Tyneside is matched with the X9/10.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Michael



19,179
07 Dec 2016, 11:16 pm #102
(07 Dec 2016, 11:07 pm)Andreos1 http://maps.dft.gov.uk/northern/

At the very least, frequency between Boro and Tyneside is matched with the X9/10.

Ah cool, might give GNE some competition although it already exists but with Northern trains gaining WIFI etc... might get people to use the service.

Glad to see the sevice increase too, about time.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
07 Dec 2016, 11:16 pm #102

(07 Dec 2016, 11:07 pm)Andreos1 http://maps.dft.gov.uk/northern/

At the very least, frequency between Boro and Tyneside is matched with the X9/10.

Ah cool, might give GNE some competition although it already exists but with Northern trains gaining WIFI etc... might get people to use the service.

Glad to see the sevice increase too, about time.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

mb134



4,166
07 Dec 2016, 11:20 pm #103
(07 Dec 2016, 10:30 pm)thetravelman If the coach option is not viable and similar double decker type vehicles are to be sourced for the service, would it not be better to change them say every 3  years before regular breakdowns start occurring and service reliability starts to suffer.

Changing the allocation every 3 years would surely make double deckers a worse economic investment than coaches would it not? Over a 10 year period you're nearly into your fourth set of vehicles, while coaches would probably just be being replaced. 
(07 Dec 2016, 10:54 pm)Andreos1 With the upcoming changes to Northern next year, I reckon we could see more people hit the rail network.
Whoever launches the improvements first, could end up having a massive headstart.

Yep. I also wouldn't really class GNE going for the same type of vehicles (i.e standard double deck buses) as a massive improvement, especially considering the improvements that Northern are promising within the next few years. 

Just a query, do the tables brought in on the Streetdecks lower the capacity? That's one way that I could see GNE improving the TTX, however then the capacity issue comes up again.
mb134
07 Dec 2016, 11:20 pm #103

(07 Dec 2016, 10:30 pm)thetravelman If the coach option is not viable and similar double decker type vehicles are to be sourced for the service, would it not be better to change them say every 3  years before regular breakdowns start occurring and service reliability starts to suffer.

Changing the allocation every 3 years would surely make double deckers a worse economic investment than coaches would it not? Over a 10 year period you're nearly into your fourth set of vehicles, while coaches would probably just be being replaced. 
(07 Dec 2016, 10:54 pm)Andreos1 With the upcoming changes to Northern next year, I reckon we could see more people hit the rail network.
Whoever launches the improvements first, could end up having a massive headstart.

Yep. I also wouldn't really class GNE going for the same type of vehicles (i.e standard double deck buses) as a massive improvement, especially considering the improvements that Northern are promising within the next few years. 

Just a query, do the tables brought in on the Streetdecks lower the capacity? That's one way that I could see GNE improving the TTX, however then the capacity issue comes up again.

08 Dec 2016, 6:47 am #104
WRT paper timetables at Hexham bus station. What's WRT anyone please?
C785 OCN
08 Dec 2016, 6:47 am #104

WRT paper timetables at Hexham bus station. What's WRT anyone please?

NK05 GWZ

Scania OmniCity CN94UB

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08 Dec 2016, 8:53 am #105
Can someone let me know if you see 3872 out today? Many thanks!
NK05 GWZ
08 Dec 2016, 8:53 am #105

Can someone let me know if you see 3872 out today? Many thanks!

G-CPTN



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08 Dec 2016, 10:37 am #106
(08 Dec 2016, 6:47 am)C785 OCN WRT paper timetables at Hexham bus station. What's WRT anyone please?

With Reference To.
G-CPTN
08 Dec 2016, 10:37 am #106

(08 Dec 2016, 6:47 am)C785 OCN WRT paper timetables at Hexham bus station. What's WRT anyone please?

With Reference To.

08 Dec 2016, 11:06 am #107
(07 Dec 2016, 10:58 am)Michael I think we will see the Enviro 400 City on the services.... but that's a massive "think" haha.

Would be nice top see a Scaniviro version or MMC appear for demonstration. That was rumored earlier in the year among drivers.
Edited 08 Dec 2016, 11:07 am by RBZ 5459.


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RBZ 5459
08 Dec 2016, 11:06 am #107

(07 Dec 2016, 10:58 am)Michael I think we will see the Enviro 400 City on the services.... but that's a massive "think" haha.

Would be nice top see a Scaniviro version or MMC appear for demonstration. That was rumored earlier in the year among drivers.



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Andreos1



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08 Dec 2016, 12:44 pm #108
(07 Dec 2016, 11:16 pm)Michael Ah cool, might give GNE some competition although it already exists but with Northern trains gaining WIFI etc... might get people to use the service.

Glad to see the sevice increase too, about time.

Theres plenty online about the spec the Connect services will be given. Granted the kit will be getting on 20 odd years old when it arrives, but as long as they work, are comfy and come with all of the added extras they've promised - it will be a definite improvement.

(07 Dec 2016, 11:20 pm)mb134 Changing the allocation every 3 years would surely make double deckers a worse economic investment than coaches would it not? Over a 10 year period you're nearly into your fourth set of vehicles, while coaches would probably just be being replaced. 

Yep. I also wouldn't really class GNE going for the same type of vehicles (i.e standard double deck buses) as a massive improvement, especially considering the improvements that Northern are promising within the next few years. 

Just a query, do the tables brought in on the Streetdecks lower the capacity? That's one way that I could see GNE improving the TTX, however then the capacity issue comes up again.

Genuinely have no idea. It may have been mentioned previously.
If they do lose seating capacity, I can't see it being by many.
Edited 08 Dec 2016, 12:45 pm by Andreos1.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
08 Dec 2016, 12:44 pm #108

(07 Dec 2016, 11:16 pm)Michael Ah cool, might give GNE some competition although it already exists but with Northern trains gaining WIFI etc... might get people to use the service.

Glad to see the sevice increase too, about time.

Theres plenty online about the spec the Connect services will be given. Granted the kit will be getting on 20 odd years old when it arrives, but as long as they work, are comfy and come with all of the added extras they've promised - it will be a definite improvement.

(07 Dec 2016, 11:20 pm)mb134 Changing the allocation every 3 years would surely make double deckers a worse economic investment than coaches would it not? Over a 10 year period you're nearly into your fourth set of vehicles, while coaches would probably just be being replaced. 

Yep. I also wouldn't really class GNE going for the same type of vehicles (i.e standard double deck buses) as a massive improvement, especially considering the improvements that Northern are promising within the next few years. 

Just a query, do the tables brought in on the Streetdecks lower the capacity? That's one way that I could see GNE improving the TTX, however then the capacity issue comes up again.

Genuinely have no idea. It may have been mentioned previously.
If they do lose seating capacity, I can't see it being by many.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

G-CPTN



961
08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm #109
X84 through Corbridge towards Hexham @14:35 with X85 on the destination boards.

(X84 follows a different route through Corbridge)
G-CPTN
08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm #109

X84 through Corbridge towards Hexham @14:35 with X85 on the destination boards.

(X84 follows a different route through Corbridge)

Cock Robin



2,778
08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm #110
(07 Dec 2016, 1:12 pm)GX03 When you consider these coaches seat 79 (16 lower / 63 upper) , nat ex layout. whilst the current deckers seat 71 (43/28) and no standees, coaches will no doubt last longer.

Deckers are easier to cascade or sell on though.

6047 screen still kaput.
Edited 08 Dec 2016, 2:48 pm by Cock Robin.
Cock Robin
08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm #110

(07 Dec 2016, 1:12 pm)GX03 When you consider these coaches seat 79 (16 lower / 63 upper) , nat ex layout. whilst the current deckers seat 71 (43/28) and no standees, coaches will no doubt last longer.

Deckers are easier to cascade or sell on though.

6047 screen still kaput.

Cock Robin



2,778
08 Dec 2016, 2:51 pm #111
(08 Dec 2016, 6:47 am)C785 OCN WRT paper timetables at Hexham bus station. What's WRT anyone please?

I wondered that!
Cock Robin
08 Dec 2016, 2:51 pm #111

(08 Dec 2016, 6:47 am)C785 OCN WRT paper timetables at Hexham bus station. What's WRT anyone please?

I wondered that!

Dan

Site Administrator

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08 Dec 2016, 4:13 pm #112
(08 Dec 2016, 8:53 am)NK05 GWZ Can someone let me know if you see 3872 out today? Many thanks!

3872 is VOR and given that 6146 has now entered service, it may just be scrapped.
Dan
08 Dec 2016, 4:13 pm #112

(08 Dec 2016, 8:53 am)NK05 GWZ Can someone let me know if you see 3872 out today? Many thanks!

3872 is VOR and given that 6146 has now entered service, it may just be scrapped.

08 Dec 2016, 4:13 pm #113
Does anyone know when the Citylinks and the Q3 buses are getting sub branding back?
EL1TE
08 Dec 2016, 4:13 pm #113

Does anyone know when the Citylinks and the Q3 buses are getting sub branding back?

Dan

Site Administrator

18,128
08 Dec 2016, 4:16 pm #114
(08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm)Cock Robin 6047 screen still kaput.

Remove the 'still' from that post and your post would be correct!

The destination displays in 6046, 6047 and 6048 were all replaced and/or repaired. The faults relate to water damage - clearly the replacement display in 6047 has been water damaged again.
Dan
08 Dec 2016, 4:16 pm #114

(08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm)Cock Robin 6047 screen still kaput.

Remove the 'still' from that post and your post would be correct!

The destination displays in 6046, 6047 and 6048 were all replaced and/or repaired. The faults relate to water damage - clearly the replacement display in 6047 has been water damaged again.

GX03



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08 Dec 2016, 4:38 pm #115
(08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm)Cock Robin Deckers are easier to cascade or sell on though.


I remember when I passed my Psv test I was driving a K reg ex national express Volvo coach around on tour work, 2003 this was, loads of coaches move onto pastures new after some gruelling work.
GX03
08 Dec 2016, 4:38 pm #115

(08 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm)Cock Robin Deckers are easier to cascade or sell on though.


I remember when I passed my Psv test I was driving a K reg ex national express Volvo coach around on tour work, 2003 this was, loads of coaches move onto pastures new after some gruelling work.

Pulsar



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08 Dec 2016, 6:09 pm #116
(07 Dec 2016, 11:20 pm)mb134 Changing the allocation every 3 years would surely make double deckers a worse economic investment than coaches would it not? Over a 10 year period you're nearly into your fourth set of vehicles, while coaches would probably just be being replaced. 

Yep. I also wouldn't really class GNE going for the same type of vehicles (i.e standard double deck buses) as a massive improvement, especially considering the improvements that Northern are promising within the next few years. 

Just a query, do the tables brought in on the Streetdecks lower the capacity? That's one way that I could see GNE improving the TTX, however then the capacity issue comes up again.

The current B9's have a capacity of 73 seats compered to 68 for the Streetdecks with tables. The enviro 400 city had a capacity of 69 seats (also with 4 tables) so although there is a difference, it is quite small and may be worth adding tables for passenger growth.

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Pulsar
08 Dec 2016, 6:09 pm #116

(07 Dec 2016, 11:20 pm)mb134 Changing the allocation every 3 years would surely make double deckers a worse economic investment than coaches would it not? Over a 10 year period you're nearly into your fourth set of vehicles, while coaches would probably just be being replaced. 

Yep. I also wouldn't really class GNE going for the same type of vehicles (i.e standard double deck buses) as a massive improvement, especially considering the improvements that Northern are promising within the next few years. 

Just a query, do the tables brought in on the Streetdecks lower the capacity? That's one way that I could see GNE improving the TTX, however then the capacity issue comes up again.

The current B9's have a capacity of 73 seats compered to 68 for the Streetdecks with tables. The enviro 400 city had a capacity of 69 seats (also with 4 tables) so although there is a difference, it is quite small and may be worth adding tables for passenger growth.


My Flickr Account - Photos from the North East and Beyond.

08 Dec 2016, 7:54 pm #117
When are the Mercs going on X5?
LivingOnGNE
08 Dec 2016, 7:54 pm #117

When are the Mercs going on X5?

Michael



19,179
08 Dec 2016, 8:04 pm #118
(08 Dec 2016, 7:54 pm)LivingOnGNE When are the Mercs going on X5?

I would imagine when new buses arrive, they can't cascade any Citaro's until they do, as the 4 from Peterlee are allocated to service 9. (2/4 so far due to not all of the Solo Sr's arriving from Thames Travel), while it's also more likely 2 Citaro's will be allocated to the 9 when they become available so it can become a fully Citaro route so Deptford should have services X5, 9, 35/35A/36 as Citaro's.


The Blaydon Racers were one of the Citaro routes rumoured to be getting new buses, it would seem logical because 9 Citaro's are needed at Deptford for a full allocation to the X5 (7) and 2 for the 9, with 1 spare and the Blaydon Racers is a busy route. The 35/36 were also rumoured to be getting get new buses. 


If the 35/36 got new buses, they'll be enough to upgrade the X5 (7), 9 (Only need 2 because of Citaro's from the Peterlee) and the 61 (5) and leaves 1 spare and means more services have 1 set of buses. 

Never know the 35/36 and the Blaydon Racers might both get upgraded. 


Hopefully in the next couple of months, new buses start to arrive but it's all rumours at the moment.
Edited 08 Dec 2016, 8:11 pm by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
08 Dec 2016, 8:04 pm #118

(08 Dec 2016, 7:54 pm)LivingOnGNE When are the Mercs going on X5?

I would imagine when new buses arrive, they can't cascade any Citaro's until they do, as the 4 from Peterlee are allocated to service 9. (2/4 so far due to not all of the Solo Sr's arriving from Thames Travel), while it's also more likely 2 Citaro's will be allocated to the 9 when they become available so it can become a fully Citaro route so Deptford should have services X5, 9, 35/35A/36 as Citaro's.


The Blaydon Racers were one of the Citaro routes rumoured to be getting new buses, it would seem logical because 9 Citaro's are needed at Deptford for a full allocation to the X5 (7) and 2 for the 9, with 1 spare and the Blaydon Racers is a busy route. The 35/36 were also rumoured to be getting get new buses. 


If the 35/36 got new buses, they'll be enough to upgrade the X5 (7), 9 (Only need 2 because of Citaro's from the Peterlee) and the 61 (5) and leaves 1 spare and means more services have 1 set of buses. 

Never know the 35/36 and the Blaydon Racers might both get upgraded. 


Hopefully in the next couple of months, new buses start to arrive but it's all rumours at the moment.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK



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08 Dec 2016, 8:38 pm #119
I think looking at the TTX, Enviro's could last but the X9 / X10 alongside the X93 are the killer routes in the North East that have a particular niche.

Although the B9TLs have proven reliable so far on the X93 as well as the Enviros on the X18, the X9 / X10 is a constant high speed route that needs vehicles with taller gearing ratios to reduce stress on the engine plus wear and tear.

The only service vehicle that would've been capable of the above was the Palatine II with the D10-245 unit.
L469 YVK
08 Dec 2016, 8:38 pm #119

I think looking at the TTX, Enviro's could last but the X9 / X10 alongside the X93 are the killer routes in the North East that have a particular niche.

Although the B9TLs have proven reliable so far on the X93 as well as the Enviros on the X18, the X9 / X10 is a constant high speed route that needs vehicles with taller gearing ratios to reduce stress on the engine plus wear and tear.

The only service vehicle that would've been capable of the above was the Palatine II with the D10-245 unit.

Ryan99



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08 Dec 2016, 9:32 pm #120
(08 Dec 2016, 8:04 pm)Michael I would imagine when new buses arrive, they can't cascade any Citaro's until they do, as the 4 from Peterlee are allocated to service 9. (2/4 so far due to not all of the Solo Sr's arriving from Thames Travel), while it's also more likely 2 Citaro's will be allocated to the 9 when they become available so it can become a fully Citaro route so Deptford should have services X5, 9, 35/35A/36 as Citaro's.


The Blaydon Racers were one of the Citaro routes rumoured to be getting new buses, it would seem logical because 9 Citaro's are needed at Deptford for a full allocation to the X5 (7) and 2 for the 9, with 1 spare and the Blaydon Racers is a busy route. The 35/36 were also rumoured to be getting get new buses. 


If the 35/36 got new buses, they'll be enough to upgrade the X5 (7), 9 (Only need 2 because of Citaro's from the Peterlee) and the 61 (5) and leaves 1 spare and means more services have 1 set of buses. 

Never know the 35/36 and the Blaydon Racers might both get upgraded. 


Hopefully in the next couple of months, new buses start to arrive but it's all rumours at the moment.

The rumours are Durham diamonds 5284-92 to deptford ( X5 ) 2 spares , see it do it Mercs to riverside due to streetlites for 35/35A/36 
The 12 to get half the blaydon racers Mercs.
Ryan99
08 Dec 2016, 9:32 pm #120

(08 Dec 2016, 8:04 pm)Michael I would imagine when new buses arrive, they can't cascade any Citaro's until they do, as the 4 from Peterlee are allocated to service 9. (2/4 so far due to not all of the Solo Sr's arriving from Thames Travel), while it's also more likely 2 Citaro's will be allocated to the 9 when they become available so it can become a fully Citaro route so Deptford should have services X5, 9, 35/35A/36 as Citaro's.


The Blaydon Racers were one of the Citaro routes rumoured to be getting new buses, it would seem logical because 9 Citaro's are needed at Deptford for a full allocation to the X5 (7) and 2 for the 9, with 1 spare and the Blaydon Racers is a busy route. The 35/36 were also rumoured to be getting get new buses. 


If the 35/36 got new buses, they'll be enough to upgrade the X5 (7), 9 (Only need 2 because of Citaro's from the Peterlee) and the 61 (5) and leaves 1 spare and means more services have 1 set of buses. 

Never know the 35/36 and the Blaydon Racers might both get upgraded. 


Hopefully in the next couple of months, new buses start to arrive but it's all rumours at the moment.

The rumours are Durham diamonds 5284-92 to deptford ( X5 ) 2 spares , see it do it Mercs to riverside due to streetlites for 35/35A/36 
The 12 to get half the blaydon racers Mercs.

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