Go North East: 2017/18 Financial Year Order Predictions
Go North East: 2017/18 Financial Year Order Predictions
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
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(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
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(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
(02 Aug 2017, 7:48 am)JP6004 I thought the coaches were part of the 2016/2017 order....along with the 10 solos and 39 streetlites
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.
On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.
So don't be expecting many more new buses.......
(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?
I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.
(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?
I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.
(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?
I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.
(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?
I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.
Disregard what I mentioned about the Red Kites on ANE's main thread. But, if the Angel was to get an upgrade this year lets say to Streetdecks or B5TLs, do you think that 6118-21 could end up also being replaced with either newer single deckers / double deckers?
Not saying that they're old by any means but looking at the spec of them compared to the Streetlites plus the fact that the Angel is more of a hop on / hop off route, do you think they'd make suitable spares for the Angel (3x) and Castles Express (1x) if they were fitted with NSA's? The only thing that they would miss would be plug sockets.
(27 Aug 2017, 9:56 am)L469 YVK Disregard what I mentioned about the Red Kites on ANE's main thread. But, if the Angel was to get an upgrade this year lets say to Streetdecks or B5TLs, do you think that 6118-21 could end up also being replaced with either newer single deckers / double deckers?
Not saying that they're old by any means but looking at the spec of them compared to the Streetlites plus the fact that the Angel is more of a hop on / hop off route, do you think they'd make suitable spares for the Angel (3x) and Castles Express (1x) if they were fitted with NSA's? The only thing that they would miss would be plug sockets.
(27 Aug 2017, 9:56 am)L469 YVK Disregard what I mentioned about the Red Kites on ANE's main thread. But, if the Angel was to get an upgrade this year lets say to Streetdecks or B5TLs, do you think that 6118-21 could end up also being replaced with either newer single deckers / double deckers?
Not saying that they're old by any means but looking at the spec of them compared to the Streetlites plus the fact that the Angel is more of a hop on / hop off route, do you think they'd make suitable spares for the Angel (3x) and Castles Express (1x) if they were fitted with NSA's? The only thing that they would miss would be plug sockets.
(27 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm)Michael Not sure on that, although it would be great, i can't see it, it was already said that some journeys on the Red Kite, need the B9's so 4 Streetlites to replace those won't happen.
Rumours are going around that the B5's from the Angel will head to the Coaster.
If true....
15 B5's to the Coaster
3962/65 to a spare role
All 17 Omnicities remain at Percy Main for the 11 and 19, allowing the Volvo/Scania single deckers to move else where to withdraw older ones.
(27 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm)Michael Not sure on that, although it would be great, i can't see it, it was already said that some journeys on the Red Kite, need the B9's so 4 Streetlites to replace those won't happen.
Rumours are going around that the B5's from the Angel will head to the Coaster.
If true....
15 B5's to the Coaster
3962/65 to a spare role
All 17 Omnicities remain at Percy Main for the 11 and 19, allowing the Volvo/Scania single deckers to move else where to withdraw older ones.
17 - Wright Streetlite Micro-Hybrid - Coaster
(05 Sep 2017, 4:27 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Angel
- Volvo B5LH's would transfer to Stanley for the Red Kite, remaining spares would be allocated to the Kites/Toon Link
- Wright Streetlites 5409 to 5419 would transfer to Riverside for the 97/97A/X97
- Volvo B9's from the Red Kite would be allocated to the 15/15A
(05 Sep 2017, 4:27 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Angel
- Volvo B5LH's would transfer to Stanley for the Red Kite, remaining spares would be allocated to the Kites/Toon Link
- Wright Streetlites 5409 to 5419 would transfer to Riverside for the 97/97A/X97
- Volvo B9's from the Red Kite would be allocated to the 15/15A
(05 Sep 2017, 4:37 pm)Dan This vehicle allocation wouldn't happen in a million years.
Operators cannot claim an enhanced rate of BSOG payment (an extra 6p/km BSOG) for the Volvo B5TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini 3. On a stop/start service like the 21, you don't need the extra power of a Volvo B5TL.
It is much more likely that Go North East would order Wright StreetDecks for the Angel, most likely with stop/start technology, for fleet standardisation at Chester-le-Street.
(05 Sep 2017, 4:37 pm)Dan This vehicle allocation wouldn't happen in a million years.
Operators cannot claim an enhanced rate of BSOG payment (an extra 6p/km BSOG) for the Volvo B5TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini 3. On a stop/start service like the 21, you don't need the extra power of a Volvo B5TL.
It is much more likely that Go North East would order Wright StreetDecks for the Angel, most likely with stop/start technology, for fleet standardisation at Chester-le-Street.
(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?
(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?
(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?
(05 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm)S813 FVK No.
(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?
(05 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm)S813 FVK No.
(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan I'm not too sure how or why the Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper are being brought into this? My "theory" relates to the Angel 21 - not those routes..?
The allocation of Volvo B7TLs and OmniDekkas on the 21 relates only to the fact that no spare vehicles to the same specification were ordered for the 21. If, or rather when, new vehicles are ordered for the 21, I would expect that two spares would be ordered to support the 17 branded examples.
The Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper routes probably didn't need a bus as powerful as the Volvo B9TL, but at the time, this was the standard double-deck vehicle for Go North East (with orders previously including the Red Arrows, Tyne Tees Xpress and TEN, which all benefited from a 'meatier' bus). Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.
Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.
(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan I'm not too sure how or why the Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper are being brought into this? My "theory" relates to the Angel 21 - not those routes..?
The allocation of Volvo B7TLs and OmniDekkas on the 21 relates only to the fact that no spare vehicles to the same specification were ordered for the 21. If, or rather when, new vehicles are ordered for the 21, I would expect that two spares would be ordered to support the 17 branded examples.
The Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper routes probably didn't need a bus as powerful as the Volvo B9TL, but at the time, this was the standard double-deck vehicle for Go North East (with orders previously including the Red Arrows, Tyne Tees Xpress and TEN, which all benefited from a 'meatier' bus). Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.
Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.
(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.
Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.
(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.
Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.
The Newcastle, Gateshead & South Tyneside Green Zone Initiative is a little idea I have come up with to reduce emissions from Buses within these areas, and would be in partnership with funding from Go North East, Green Bus Fund & Local Councils over a 4 year period. The first year would see the use of demonstration vehicles tested on various routes with the most successful being ordered going into years 2,3 and 4.
The vehicles that would be tested would be the Volvo 7900E which currently on demonstration in Manchester with First Group on there Metroshuttle Network, and the BYD D9UR Electric Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC EV which has been successful down London on the 507/521 with Go-Ahead London, Arriva North West also have a batch currently in the process of being delivered.
Services which I have picked out for this initiative are the CityLink 58, Quaylink Q1/Q2/Q3, Green Arrow 97/97A, Loop 93/94 and South Tyne 88/88A.
Specification Brochures:
Volvo 7900E - http://www.volvobuses.co.uk/en-gb/our-of...ctric.html#
BYD D9UR Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC EV - http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-conte..._FINAL.pdf