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tyresmoke



5,303
01 Aug 2017, 8:41 pm #21
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......

£230k each works out around £1.6m for the X9/X10s alone... I hope you can get a decent amount of publicity for spending that much! Shame there is no real push to promote them any more Huh

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tyresmoke
01 Aug 2017, 8:41 pm #21

(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......

£230k each works out around £1.6m for the X9/X10s alone... I hope you can get a decent amount of publicity for spending that much! Shame there is no real push to promote them any more Huh


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Andreos1



14,155
01 Aug 2017, 9:23 pm #22
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......

The same amount declared as profit for the year ending 2016 then?

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
01 Aug 2017, 9:23 pm #22

(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......

The same amount declared as profit for the year ending 2016 then?


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

JP6004



1,833
02 Aug 2017, 7:48 am #23
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......

I thought the coaches were part of the 2016/2017 order....along with the 10 solos and 39 streetlites
JP6004
02 Aug 2017, 7:48 am #23

(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......

I thought the coaches were part of the 2016/2017 order....along with the 10 solos and 39 streetlites

LeeCalder



1,928
04 Aug 2017, 5:48 am #24
(01 Aug 2017, 9:23 pm)Andreos1 The same amount declared as profit for the year ending 2016 then?

Yet fares still rise!
LeeCalder
04 Aug 2017, 5:48 am #24

(01 Aug 2017, 9:23 pm)Andreos1 The same amount declared as profit for the year ending 2016 then?

Yet fares still rise!

busmanT



921
05 Aug 2017, 8:51 am #25
(02 Aug 2017, 7:48 am)JP6004 I thought the coaches were part of the 2016/2017 order....along with the 10 solos and 39 streetlites

The latest 5 coaches 7133-7137, delivered just a couple of weeks ago, are part of the 2017/2018 order as they were not originally due until later in the year.
busmanT
05 Aug 2017, 8:51 am #25

(02 Aug 2017, 7:48 am)JP6004 I thought the coaches were part of the 2016/2017 order....along with the 10 solos and 39 streetlites

The latest 5 coaches 7133-7137, delivered just a couple of weeks ago, are part of the 2017/2018 order as they were not originally due until later in the year.

13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm #26
(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......


When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?

I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.
thetravelman
13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm #26

(01 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm)busmanT With a double deck costing £230,000 each, the 7 X9 X10 and if it happens 19 Angel will cost £6 million.

On top of these, the 5 new National Express coaches will have cost £1.45m and the 28 refurbished Citaro £500,000.

So don't be expecting many more new buses.......


When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?

I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.

Michael



19,145
13 Aug 2017, 12:12 pm #27
(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?

I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.

Should be this month, Hopefully they'll be here and ready for the changes by the 3rd September.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
13 Aug 2017, 12:12 pm #27

(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?

I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.

Should be this month, Hopefully they'll be here and ready for the changes by the 3rd September.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

citaro5284



3,232
13 Aug 2017, 1:55 pm #28
(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?

I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.

Real soon.......
citaro5284
13 Aug 2017, 1:55 pm #28

(13 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm)thetravelman When are the New Volvos expected to arrive for the X9 & X10?

I was wondering if the Angel is to get New buses in the near future, could they maybe get the Optare Metrodecker? Just a thought based on how long they had the Demo Metrodecker and also the fact that Chester le Street depot has a fleet of Optare Versa's, just thinking along the lines of depot standardisation perhaps.

Real soon.......

L469 YVK



3,544
27 Aug 2017, 9:56 am #29
Disregard what I mentioned about the Red Kites on ANE's main thread. But, if the Angel was to get an upgrade this year lets say to Streetdecks or B5TLs, do you think that 6118-21 could end up also being replaced with either newer single deckers / double deckers?

Not saying that they're old by any means but looking at the spec of them compared to the Streetlites plus the fact that the Angel is more of a hop on / hop off route, do you think they'd make suitable spares for the Angel (3x) and Castles Express (1x) if they were fitted with NSA's? The only thing that they would miss would be plug sockets.
L469 YVK
27 Aug 2017, 9:56 am #29

Disregard what I mentioned about the Red Kites on ANE's main thread. But, if the Angel was to get an upgrade this year lets say to Streetdecks or B5TLs, do you think that 6118-21 could end up also being replaced with either newer single deckers / double deckers?

Not saying that they're old by any means but looking at the spec of them compared to the Streetlites plus the fact that the Angel is more of a hop on / hop off route, do you think they'd make suitable spares for the Angel (3x) and Castles Express (1x) if they were fitted with NSA's? The only thing that they would miss would be plug sockets.

Michael



19,145
27 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm #30
(27 Aug 2017, 9:56 am)L469 YVK Disregard what I mentioned about the Red Kites on ANE's main thread. But, if the Angel was to get an upgrade this year lets say to Streetdecks or B5TLs, do you think that 6118-21 could end up also being replaced with either newer single deckers / double deckers?

Not saying that they're old by any means but looking at the spec of them compared to the Streetlites plus the fact that the Angel is more of a hop on / hop off route, do you think they'd make suitable spares for the Angel (3x) and Castles Express (1x) if they were fitted with NSA's? The only thing that they would miss would be plug sockets.



Not sure on that, although it would be great, i can't see it, it was already said that some journeys on the Red Kite, need the B9's so 4 Streetlites to replace those won't happen. 


Rumours are going around that the B5's from the Angel will head to the Coaster.


If true....



15 B5's to the Coaster


3962/65 to a spare role


All 17 Omnicities remain at Percy Main for the 11 and 19, allowing the Volvo/Scania single deckers to move else where to withdraw older ones.
Edited 27 Aug 2017, 1:21 pm by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
27 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm #30

(27 Aug 2017, 9:56 am)L469 YVK Disregard what I mentioned about the Red Kites on ANE's main thread. But, if the Angel was to get an upgrade this year lets say to Streetdecks or B5TLs, do you think that 6118-21 could end up also being replaced with either newer single deckers / double deckers?

Not saying that they're old by any means but looking at the spec of them compared to the Streetlites plus the fact that the Angel is more of a hop on / hop off route, do you think they'd make suitable spares for the Angel (3x) and Castles Express (1x) if they were fitted with NSA's? The only thing that they would miss would be plug sockets.



Not sure on that, although it would be great, i can't see it, it was already said that some journeys on the Red Kite, need the B9's so 4 Streetlites to replace those won't happen. 


Rumours are going around that the B5's from the Angel will head to the Coaster.


If true....



15 B5's to the Coaster


3962/65 to a spare role


All 17 Omnicities remain at Percy Main for the 11 and 19, allowing the Volvo/Scania single deckers to move else where to withdraw older ones.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK



3,544
27 Aug 2017, 2:03 pm #31
(27 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm)Michael Not sure on that, although it would be great, i can't see it, it was already said that some journeys on the Red Kite, need the B9's so 4 Streetlites to replace those won't happen. 


Rumours are going around that the B5's from the Angel will head to the Coaster.


If true....



15 B5's to the Coaster


3962/65 to a spare role


All 17 Omnicities remain at Percy Main for the 11 and 19, allowing the Volvo/Scania single deckers to move else where to withdraw older ones.

Get what you mean but what I meant was that if GNE would consider ordering 2x spares for the Angel, would it not make sense to order 4x Streetdecks / B5TLs to the same specification as the Streetlites on the Red Kite then transfer 6118-21 to Chester Le Street (3x spare) and Crook (1x spare)? All they would need doing maybe is fitted with NSA's.
Edited 27 Aug 2017, 2:04 pm by L469 YVK.
L469 YVK
27 Aug 2017, 2:03 pm #31

(27 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm)Michael Not sure on that, although it would be great, i can't see it, it was already said that some journeys on the Red Kite, need the B9's so 4 Streetlites to replace those won't happen. 


Rumours are going around that the B5's from the Angel will head to the Coaster.


If true....



15 B5's to the Coaster


3962/65 to a spare role


All 17 Omnicities remain at Percy Main for the 11 and 19, allowing the Volvo/Scania single deckers to move else where to withdraw older ones.

Get what you mean but what I meant was that if GNE would consider ordering 2x spares for the Angel, would it not make sense to order 4x Streetdecks / B5TLs to the same specification as the Streetlites on the Red Kite then transfer 6118-21 to Chester Le Street (3x spare) and Crook (1x spare)? All they would need doing maybe is fitted with NSA's.

Malarkey



6,060
05 Sep 2017, 4:27 pm #32
17 - Wright Streetlite Micro-Hybrid - Coaster
  • 14 Omnicities would remain at Percy Main to be allocated to the 11/19
  • Volvo B7RLE's would cascade to other depots replacing older Scania L94's in the fleet.
  • Blue Arrow Scania L94's would be Withdrawn

13 - Wright Streetlite Micro-Hybrid - Toon Link
  • 13 Omnicities from Stanley + 3 Omnicities from Percy Main would transfer to Chester le Street to replace Scania L94's on the 13/14/28/28A & X25.

7 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 (Low Height) - Toon Link
  • 7 East Lancs Omnidekka's would cascade to replace older Double Deckers in the fleet.

17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Angel
  • Volvo B5LH's would transfer to Stanley for the Red Kite, remaining spares would be allocated to the Kites/Toon Link
  • Wright Streetlites 5409 to 5419 would transfer to Riverside for the 97/97A/X97
  • Volvo B9's from the Red Kite would be allocated to the 15/15A

Scania L94's to be withdrawn would be: 
4927/4929/4930/4932/4933/4935/4938/4940/4941/4944/4947/4948/4949/4966/4967 - Riverside
4937/4969/4976/4989/4990/4991/4992 - Deptford
4945/4956/4957/4958/4959/4960 - Chester le Street
4946/4954/4955/4968/4970/4971/4972/4973/4974/4975 - Percy Main
4942/4943 - Hexham
Edited 05 Sep 2017, 4:29 pm by Malarkey.
Malarkey
05 Sep 2017, 4:27 pm #32

17 - Wright Streetlite Micro-Hybrid - Coaster

  • 14 Omnicities would remain at Percy Main to be allocated to the 11/19
  • Volvo B7RLE's would cascade to other depots replacing older Scania L94's in the fleet.
  • Blue Arrow Scania L94's would be Withdrawn

13 - Wright Streetlite Micro-Hybrid - Toon Link
  • 13 Omnicities from Stanley + 3 Omnicities from Percy Main would transfer to Chester le Street to replace Scania L94's on the 13/14/28/28A & X25.

7 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 (Low Height) - Toon Link
  • 7 East Lancs Omnidekka's would cascade to replace older Double Deckers in the fleet.

17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Angel
  • Volvo B5LH's would transfer to Stanley for the Red Kite, remaining spares would be allocated to the Kites/Toon Link
  • Wright Streetlites 5409 to 5419 would transfer to Riverside for the 97/97A/X97
  • Volvo B9's from the Red Kite would be allocated to the 15/15A

Scania L94's to be withdrawn would be: 
4927/4929/4930/4932/4933/4935/4938/4940/4941/4944/4947/4948/4949/4966/4967 - Riverside
4937/4969/4976/4989/4990/4991/4992 - Deptford
4945/4956/4957/4958/4959/4960 - Chester le Street
4946/4954/4955/4968/4970/4971/4972/4973/4974/4975 - Percy Main
4942/4943 - Hexham

Dan

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18,100
05 Sep 2017, 4:37 pm #33
(05 Sep 2017, 4:27 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Angel
  • Volvo B5LH's would transfer to Stanley for the Red Kite, remaining spares would be allocated to the Kites/Toon Link
  • Wright Streetlites 5409 to 5419 would transfer to Riverside for the 97/97A/X97
  • Volvo B9's from the Red Kite would be allocated to the 15/15A

This vehicle allocation wouldn't happen in a million years.

Operators cannot claim an enhanced rate of BSOG payment (an extra 6p/km BSOG) for the Volvo B5TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini 3. On a stop/start service like the 21, you don't need the extra power of a Volvo B5TL.

It is much more likely that Go North East would order Wright StreetDecks for the Angel, most likely with stop/start technology, for fleet standardisation at Chester-le-Street.
Dan
05 Sep 2017, 4:37 pm #33

(05 Sep 2017, 4:27 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Angel
  • Volvo B5LH's would transfer to Stanley for the Red Kite, remaining spares would be allocated to the Kites/Toon Link
  • Wright Streetlites 5409 to 5419 would transfer to Riverside for the 97/97A/X97
  • Volvo B9's from the Red Kite would be allocated to the 15/15A

This vehicle allocation wouldn't happen in a million years.

Operators cannot claim an enhanced rate of BSOG payment (an extra 6p/km BSOG) for the Volvo B5TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini 3. On a stop/start service like the 21, you don't need the extra power of a Volvo B5TL.

It is much more likely that Go North East would order Wright StreetDecks for the Angel, most likely with stop/start technology, for fleet standardisation at Chester-le-Street.

Malarkey



6,060
05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm #34
(05 Sep 2017, 4:37 pm)Dan This vehicle allocation wouldn't happen in a million years.

Operators cannot claim an enhanced rate of BSOG payment (an extra 6p/km BSOG) for the Volvo B5TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini 3. On a stop/start service like the 21, you don't need the extra power of a Volvo B5TL.

It is much more likely that Go North East would order Wright StreetDecks for the Angel, most likely with stop/start technology, for fleet standardisation at Chester-le-Street.

In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?
Malarkey
05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm #34

(05 Sep 2017, 4:37 pm)Dan This vehicle allocation wouldn't happen in a million years.

Operators cannot claim an enhanced rate of BSOG payment (an extra 6p/km BSOG) for the Volvo B5TL/Wright Eclipse Gemini 3. On a stop/start service like the 21, you don't need the extra power of a Volvo B5TL.

It is much more likely that Go North East would order Wright StreetDecks for the Angel, most likely with stop/start technology, for fleet standardisation at Chester-le-Street.

In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?

S813 FVK



6,030
05 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm #35
(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?

No.
S813 FVK
05 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm #35

(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?

No.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,100
05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm #36
(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?

(05 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm)S813 FVK No.

I'm not too sure how or why the Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper are being brought into this? My "theory" relates to the Angel 21 - not those routes..?

The allocation of Volvo B7TLs and OmniDekkas on the 21 relates only to the fact that no spare vehicles to the same specification were ordered for the 21. If, or rather when, new vehicles are ordered for the 21, I would expect that two spares would be ordered to support the 17 branded examples.

The Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper routes probably didn't need a bus as powerful as the Volvo B9TL, but at the time, this was the standard double-deck vehicle for Go North East (with orders previously including the Red Arrows, Tyne Tees Xpress and TEN, which all benefited from a 'meatier' bus). Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.

Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.
Dan
05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm #36

(05 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm)Malarkey In theory though it already happens through the allocation of Volvo B7 Presidents and Omnidekkas on a daily basis to the 21, if you look at other services such as the 56 and 309/310 which are stop/start services like the 21, do they need the "power" of a Volvo B9TL, as if we stuck to your theory Dan then that would mean both the Fab 56 and Cobalt Clipper would be in line for new vehicles next year wouldn't it?

(05 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm)S813 FVK No.

I'm not too sure how or why the Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper are being brought into this? My "theory" relates to the Angel 21 - not those routes..?

The allocation of Volvo B7TLs and OmniDekkas on the 21 relates only to the fact that no spare vehicles to the same specification were ordered for the 21. If, or rather when, new vehicles are ordered for the 21, I would expect that two spares would be ordered to support the 17 branded examples.

The Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper routes probably didn't need a bus as powerful as the Volvo B9TL, but at the time, this was the standard double-deck vehicle for Go North East (with orders previously including the Red Arrows, Tyne Tees Xpress and TEN, which all benefited from a 'meatier' bus). Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.

Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.

JP6004



1,833
05 Sep 2017, 5:27 pm #37
(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan I'm not too sure how or why the Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper are being brought into this? My "theory" relates to the Angel 21 - not those routes..?

The allocation of Volvo B7TLs and OmniDekkas on the 21 relates only to the fact that no spare vehicles to the same specification were ordered for the 21. If, or rather when, new vehicles are ordered for the 21, I would expect that two spares would be ordered to support the 17 branded examples.

The Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper routes probably didn't need a bus as powerful as the Volvo B9TL, but at the time, this was the standard double-deck vehicle for Go North East (with orders previously including the Red Arrows, Tyne Tees Xpress and TEN, which all benefited from a 'meatier' bus). Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.

Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.

*Mic-drop*  Big Grin
JP6004
05 Sep 2017, 5:27 pm #37

(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan I'm not too sure how or why the Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper are being brought into this? My "theory" relates to the Angel 21 - not those routes..?

The allocation of Volvo B7TLs and OmniDekkas on the 21 relates only to the fact that no spare vehicles to the same specification were ordered for the 21. If, or rather when, new vehicles are ordered for the 21, I would expect that two spares would be ordered to support the 17 branded examples.

The Fab56 and Cobalt Clipper routes probably didn't need a bus as powerful as the Volvo B9TL, but at the time, this was the standard double-deck vehicle for Go North East (with orders previously including the Red Arrows, Tyne Tees Xpress and TEN, which all benefited from a 'meatier' bus). Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.

Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.

*Mic-drop*  Big Grin

Ambassador



1,820
05 Sep 2017, 11:24 pm #38
(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan  Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.

Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.

The cynic in me feels that GNE went with the hybrid purely due to the cash incentives as opposed to any form of rational thinking but hey ho  Big Grin

The point on low carbon is a great one, it's inevitable Newcastle will introduce some form of clean air zone with Newcastle CC being so rabidly anti-car and it makes sense to start adapting to that now. (Sure there'll be some canny publicly funded financial incentives thrown the way of small struggling independents like Stagecoach, DB and lil old GNE Wink )

Wistfully stuck in the 90s
Ambassador
05 Sep 2017, 11:24 pm #38

(05 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm)Dan  Go North East could have opted for a full-diesel Volvo B9TL for the Angel too, but decided instead to go for the more environmentally-friendly option with better fuel efficiency and a less powerful engine, on the basis that they were being allocated to a route which quite frankly doesn't need a 9-litre engine.

Plus - at the time - there wasn't such a big focus on low-carbon emission buses. There is now, and a bus being LCEB-certified (and the benefits that come with this, such as extra BSOG) is one of the biggest things which makes the business case stack up for new vehicles.

The cynic in me feels that GNE went with the hybrid purely due to the cash incentives as opposed to any form of rational thinking but hey ho  Big Grin

The point on low carbon is a great one, it's inevitable Newcastle will introduce some form of clean air zone with Newcastle CC being so rabidly anti-car and it makes sense to start adapting to that now. (Sure there'll be some canny publicly funded financial incentives thrown the way of small struggling independents like Stagecoach, DB and lil old GNE Wink )


Wistfully stuck in the 90s

Malarkey



6,060
15 Sep 2017, 5:49 pm #39
The Newcastle, Gateshead & South Tyneside Green Zone Initiative is a little idea I have come up with to reduce emissions from Buses within these areas, and would be in partnership with funding from Go North East, Green Bus Fund & Local Councils over a 4 year period. The first year would see the use of demonstration vehicles tested on various routes with the most successful being ordered going into years 2,3 and 4.

The vehicles that would be tested would be the Volvo 7900E which currently on demonstration in Manchester with First Group on there Metroshuttle Network, and the BYD D9UR Electric Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC EV which has been successful down London on the 507/521 with Go-Ahead London, Arriva North West also have a batch currently in the process of being delivered.

Services which I have picked out for this initiative are the CityLink 58, Quaylink Q1/Q2/Q3, Green Arrow 97/97A, Loop 93/94 and South Tyne 88/88A.

Specification Brochures:

Volvo 7900E - http://www.volvobuses.co.uk/en-gb/our-of...ctric.html#

BYD D9UR Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC EV - http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-conte..._FINAL.pdf
Edited 15 Sep 2017, 5:53 pm by Malarkey.
Malarkey
15 Sep 2017, 5:49 pm #39

The Newcastle, Gateshead & South Tyneside Green Zone Initiative is a little idea I have come up with to reduce emissions from Buses within these areas, and would be in partnership with funding from Go North East, Green Bus Fund & Local Councils over a 4 year period. The first year would see the use of demonstration vehicles tested on various routes with the most successful being ordered going into years 2,3 and 4.

The vehicles that would be tested would be the Volvo 7900E which currently on demonstration in Manchester with First Group on there Metroshuttle Network, and the BYD D9UR Electric Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC EV which has been successful down London on the 507/521 with Go-Ahead London, Arriva North West also have a batch currently in the process of being delivered.

Services which I have picked out for this initiative are the CityLink 58, Quaylink Q1/Q2/Q3, Green Arrow 97/97A, Loop 93/94 and South Tyne 88/88A.

Specification Brochures:

Volvo 7900E - http://www.volvobuses.co.uk/en-gb/our-of...ctric.html#

BYD D9UR Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC EV - http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-conte..._FINAL.pdf

Michael



19,145
04 Nov 2017, 10:27 am #40
Wonder when we will see the next lot of new buses arrive for the 2017/2018 financial year....


Still hope they've gone for the Volvo 7900E but i doubt that................. shame they can't get one on demo.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
04 Nov 2017, 10:27 am #40

Wonder when we will see the next lot of new buses arrive for the 2017/2018 financial year....


Still hope they've gone for the Volvo 7900E but i doubt that................. shame they can't get one on demo.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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