Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - September 2017
#21
(01/09/2017, 22:31)citaro5284 Wrote: Cannot do much when the vehicles are delayed by the manufacturer.

That's just poor planning though. Having some sort of give in delivery is surely a must?
Just incase there's an issue with production, PDI's, ferry crossings etc
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
#22
(01/09/2017, 22:58)JP6004 Wrote: It looks really smart. Dont like the rear at all especially since all the windows are covered up

The downstairs rear isn't too much of an issue to me, the windows are usually higher than the seats so you can't see out of them very well anyway. I don't like the vinyl on the top window though. If I was sat there I would look out of the rear window every now and then, something I wouldn't be able to do here. I am not necessarily part of the #saveourwindows gang but in the instance where the vinyl blocking the window looks out of place, I don't think it should be there.

It was mentioned when the drawing was first published online but I wish they had swapped Peterlee and Dalton Park around, likewise with the Wear Xpress Solo SRs. I was initially ok with them being in that order but then I remembered that I was contradicting myself since I am not a massive fan of Sunderland and Durham being the wrong way round on the Prince Bishops cant rail vinyl.

Compared to the Tyne Tees Xpress, the new livery looks far more superior and eye-catching. I have never really understood why the 'NE' is a different colour to the 'TY' - it is something I have never been a fan of. My opinion of the branding is guaranteed to change from 'it isn't the best' to 'wow that is really good' when I actually see it for myself but there will always be parts that I'd like to see changed.
#23
(01/09/2017, 23:18)Andreos1 Wrote: That's just poor planning though. Having some sort of give in delivery is surely a must?
Just incase there's an issue with production, PDI's, ferry crossings etc

Agreed, if I'd spent £1.6 million on something I'd want it delivered on time.  I'd have hoped GNE would have told Wright the launch was mid-August to ensure on-time delivery -common sense?

I really like the livery, given recent incidents are GNE now pre-applying fire effect vinyls?  Big Grin 

And putting an image of a full bus with standees to tempt motorists following behind on the A19? Hmmmm
#24
(01/09/2017, 23:29)James101 Wrote: And putting an image of a full bus with standees to tempt motorists following behind on the A19? Hmmmm

Haha good point hadn't clocked that - maybe they still need to add the tagline 'you too could stand for an hour and a half instead of sitting in your comfy car for half that long'
#25
(02/09/2017, 00:51)stagecoachbusdepot Wrote: Haha good point hadn't clocked that - maybe they still need to add the tagline 'you too could stand for an hour and a half instead of sitting in your comfy car for half that long'

Perhaps it should be 'This is what our passengers on The Castles Express need to put up with but on the X9|X10, bigger buses means you're guaranteed a seat!'
#26
I think from the side it looks good, from the rear though - awful.
#27
(01/09/2017, 23:18)Andreos1 Wrote: That's just poor planning though. Having some sort of give in delivery is surely a must?
Just incase there's an issue with production, PDI's, ferry crossings etc

Not really.  You order a bus a months in advance and are given a rough delivery date, it is not nearer the time you are given a more robust delivery plan, but by then like the X9/X10, the service has be registered 8 weeks in advance, so you can register a service before you know the proper delivery plan of the vehicles. 

Other bus companies have exactly the same issue when they order new vehicles - all cannot have bad planning.
#28
(02/09/2017, 08:00)citaro5284 Wrote: Not really.  You order a bus a months in advance and are given a rough delivery date, it is not nearer the time you are given a more robust delivery plan, but by then like the X9/X10, the service has be registered 8 weeks in advance, so you can register a service before you know the proper delivery plan of the vehicles. 

Other bus companies have exactly the same issue when they order new vehicles - all cannot have bad planning.

Exactly, and you can't expect a business like GNE to quote an August relaunch date when they intend to launch the following month, only for Wrightbus to deliver on time and the assets to be sitting around for weeks before earning their keep.
#29
(02/09/2017, 08:00)citaro5284 Wrote: Not really.  You order a bus a months in advance and are given a rough delivery date, it is not nearer the time you are given a more robust delivery plan, but by then like the X9/X10, the service has be registered 8 weeks in advance, so you can register a service before you know the proper delivery plan of the vehicles. 

Other bus companies have exactly the same issue when they order new vehicles - all cannot have bad planning.

Agreed that it's all operators.
It's the same with any industry that relies on assets being delivered. Whether that's a car dealership or a haulage firm.
Heck, if I was wanting to see a sequel to a film, I would be disappointed to pay my money having seen the launch in the media, to find out the cinema was still showing an earlier version. Only because theres an issue with delivering the film.

An operator knows they have that 8 week window, knows vinyls need applying, know that type training may need completing and knows there could be delays in delivery.
It's not rocket science to plan a bit give.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
#30
(01/09/2017, 23:29)James101 Wrote: And putting an image of a full bus with standees to tempt motorists following behind on the A19? Hmmmm

(02/09/2017, 00:51)stagecoachbusdepot Wrote: Haha good point hadn't clocked that - maybe they still need to add the tagline 'you too could stand for an hour and a half instead of sitting in your comfy car for half that long'

(02/09/2017, 06:01)LeeCalder Wrote: I think from the side it looks good, from the rear though - awful.

The rear is different to anything what we've seen in recent designs. There'll be five different designs - one showing a businessman, another showing a woman shopping, another showing a student, etc... 'Synergy' comes to mind - linking the brand to the service itself - the woman could have been shopping at Dalton Park, the student going to the college/uni served by the X10...

I'd suggest that there is a strong public perception that people who travel on public transport are beneath those on the Social Class hierarchy compared to those who travel by car - bus users smell, aren't as clean, and similar. Possibly not helped at times by the internal cleanliness of the buses themselves (picked up on recently elsewhere on the forum).

This idea is clever, and although it possibly isn't as obvious at first glance as it ought to be (unless it's planned to be supported by other forms of marketing associated with the new brand and new vehicles), I believe the intention is to show car users that they do have some commonality with bus users. These people shown inside the bus don't show the stereotypical signs of being smelly, unclean, and similar. Maybe they could try out the bus and see what it's like for themselves - especially based on the messages suggesting that fares are 'great value' etc. Obviously, it isn't to show someone standing on a full bus.
#31
5209 at Chester-le-Street and is on the 13/X25 today
#32
(01/09/2017, 22:19)RBZ 5459 Wrote: I quite like it. Although shame about the vinyl slapped on the top deck back window. A slight after thought by the looks of it.

Not an after thought at all. Sell, sell, and sell again. Some brands have meaning - this one less so. It's a hard sell, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. There's a lot of repetition of the features available on the X9/X10 services (free Wi-Fi, contactless payments, etc) and it's all done in the interests of getting more people on the bus on a heavily competitive route with rail services.

It was originally planned for the 'bus user' photograph to be further up the bus, with the yellow 'block' on the rear upper-deck window to be at the very bottom (easier for cars behind to see). Clearly this wouldn't have been possible based on the bus design and where the rear destination display is, so things were shuffled around. It's not the best in terms of design, but nobody can deny it stands out a mile, which can only be a good thing?
#33
(01/09/2017, 22:58)JP6004 Wrote: It looks really smart. Dont like the rear at all especially since all the windows are covered up

Lets hope the stickers hold better than the Streetdecks on Castles or the poor bloke - he will end up legless on the A19...and we all know that could be dangerous  Tongue
#34
How many adults look out of the rear window on a bus?, because i don't.


I see no one complaining about the Stagecoach Gas buses which have their rear window covered. (well apart from a few)

(02/09/2017, 11:21)citaro5284 Wrote: Lets hope the stickers hold better than the Streetdecks on Castles or the poor bloke - he will end up legless on the A19...and we all know that could be dangerous  Tongue

The flowers are starting to come off the FAB 56 too.


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Go North East haven't uploaded the new 33/33A timetable.
#35
(02/09/2017, 11:24)Michael Wrote: The flowers are starting to come off the FAB 56 too.

Vinyls are only ever expected to last around five years, so should ideally be replaced before this point. Go North East usually repaints its fleet on a four-year cycle which should solve the majority of issues.

A stronger adhesive is now being used for any vinyls being applied to the rears of buses, due to how warm this area on the bus gets. All of the Castles Express StreetDecks had their rear vinyls replaced a month or two ago with the new stronger adhesive. 6302 has also had a new vinyl fitted to the rear of the bus, covering the Wrightbus logo, with a large Go North East logo and the company's new slogan (Journeys taken care of).
#36
(02/09/2017, 11:31)Dan Wrote: Vinyls are only ever expected to last around five years, so should ideally be replaced before this point. Go North East usually repaints its fleet on a four-year cycle which should solve the majority of issues.

A stronger adhesive is now being used for any vinyls being applied to the rears of buses, due to how warm this area on the bus gets. All of the Castles Express StreetDecks had their rear vinyls replaced a month or two ago with the new stronger adhesive. 6302 has also had a new vinyl fitted to the rear of the bus, covering the Wrightbus logo, with a large Go North East logo and the company's new slogan (Journeys taken care of).

I hope when they go for a repaint, they don't come back with flowers on......
#37
Didn't take 3888 long to find it's way to Saltmeatows. Noted there 0800 this morning.
#38
(02/09/2017, 11:06)S813 FVK Wrote: 5209 at Chester-le-Street and is on the 13/X25 today

Yes that vehicle was transferred to Chester-le-Street this morning from Deptford.
#39
(02/09/2017, 11:05)Dan Wrote: The rear is different to anything what we've seen in recent designs. There'll be five different designs - one showing a businessman, another showing a woman shopping, another showing a student, etc... 'Synergy' comes to mind - linking the brand to the service itself - the woman could have been shopping at Dalton Park, the student going to the college/uni served by the X10...

I'd suggest that there is a strong public perception that people who travel on public transport are beneath those on the Social Class hierarchy compared to those who travel by car - bus users smell, aren't as clean, and similar. Possibly not helped at times by the internal cleanliness of the buses themselves (picked up on recently elsewhere on the forum).

This idea is clever, and although it possibly isn't as obvious at first glance as it ought to be (unless it's planned to be supported by other forms of marketing associated with the new brand and new vehicles), I believe the intention is to show car users that they do have some commonality with bus users. These people shown inside the bus don't show the stereotypical signs of being smelly, unclean, and similar. Maybe they could try out the bus and see what it's like for themselves - especially based on the messages suggesting that fares are 'great value' etc. Obviously, it isn't to show someone standing on a full bus.
Actually, after 6 weeks of entertaining 2 young lads through the medium of public transport, I can assure you that many bus users do indeed smell!
#40
(02/09/2017, 11:13)Dan Wrote: Not an after thought at all. Sell, sell, and sell again. Some brands have meaning - this one less so. It's a hard sell, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. There's a lot of repetition of the features available on the X9/X10 services (free Wi-Fi, contactless payments, etc) and it's all done in the interests of getting more people on the bus on a heavily competitive route with rail services.

It was originally planned for the 'bus user' photograph to be further up the bus, with the yellow 'block' on the rear upper-deck window to be at the very bottom (easier for cars behind to see). Clearly this wouldn't have been possible based on the bus design and where the rear destination display is, so things were shuffled around. It's not the best in terms of design, but nobody can deny it stands out a mile, which can only be a good thing?

I think the brand looks decent on the bus, and a lot better than it did on paper. 

I do think the back lets it down, although I appreciate what the company are trying to achieve with it. It just looks a bit too cluttered for me. I'd have preferred to see the 'features' box better placed further down the vehicle in place of the 'bus user' image. At least on 6308, this image tells me nothing about the service, other than I might have to stand for my journey. It also takes away from what is an incredibly smart colour imo.
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