(04 Apr 2018, 9:41 pm)OrangeArrow49 What is different about MAX, Sapphire etc and when did Arriva introduce these separate identities?
(04 Apr 2018, 9:41 pm)OrangeArrow49 What is different about MAX, Sapphire etc and when did Arriva introduce these separate identities?
(04 Apr 2018, 10:11 pm)Pulsar Not sure when Sapphire was introduced but MAX was summer 2014 with the first MAX route being the X10 and X11 Blyth - Newcastle.
Originally, Sapphire was e leather seats, NSA, wifi and plugs. MAX was just e leather seats and wifi.
Since then Sapphire and MAX have become almost identical with MAX now including USB sockets and Sapphire only having USB rather than 3 pin plugs. Basically the only difference is NSA's although there are exceptions ( MAX X1 streetlites have both NSA and 3 pin plugs.)
Its also worth noting that MAX has now been scrapped and eventually buses will be repainted to the new livery. There will be no more MAX routes but the standard spec now includes USB ports, e leather seats and wifi.
(04 Apr 2018, 10:11 pm)Pulsar Not sure when Sapphire was introduced but MAX was summer 2014 with the first MAX route being the X10 and X11 Blyth - Newcastle.
Originally, Sapphire was e leather seats, NSA, wifi and plugs. MAX was just e leather seats and wifi.
Since then Sapphire and MAX have become almost identical with MAX now including USB sockets and Sapphire only having USB rather than 3 pin plugs. Basically the only difference is NSA's although there are exceptions ( MAX X1 streetlites have both NSA and 3 pin plugs.)
Its also worth noting that MAX has now been scrapped and eventually buses will be repainted to the new livery. There will be no more MAX routes but the standard spec now includes USB ports, e leather seats and wifi.
(04 Apr 2018, 10:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Thank you.
Why has MAX been scrapped?
What about Sapphire, is that staying?
What do you think of the new blue livery and the new Arriva logo?
(04 Apr 2018, 10:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Thank you.
Why has MAX been scrapped?
What about Sapphire, is that staying?
What do you think of the new blue livery and the new Arriva logo?
(04 Apr 2018, 10:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Thank you.
Why has MAX been scrapped?
What about Sapphire, is that staying?
What do you think of the new blue livery and the new Arriva logo?
(04 Apr 2018, 10:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Thank you.
Why has MAX been scrapped?
What about Sapphire, is that staying?
What do you think of the new blue livery and the new Arriva logo?
(04 Apr 2018, 10:33 pm)BusLoverMum I think the new livery looks great in print, but cheap in the flesh, particularly on double deckers.
(04 Apr 2018, 10:33 pm)BusLoverMum I think the new livery looks great in print, but cheap in the flesh, particularly on double deckers.
(04 Apr 2018, 6:20 pm)Shrek I'm told 7413 broke down this morning on the 44, was then sent back out and broke down again this evening again on the 44. Are Jesmond short of buses if they're sending buses back out which clearly aren't ready for service?Funnily enough, I'm sure that was one of the buses involved in the incident at Haymarket the other day operating the 43.
(04 Apr 2018, 6:20 pm)Shrek I'm told 7413 broke down this morning on the 44, was then sent back out and broke down again this evening again on the 44. Are Jesmond short of buses if they're sending buses back out which clearly aren't ready for service?Funnily enough, I'm sure that was one of the buses involved in the incident at Haymarket the other day operating the 43.
(04 Apr 2018, 9:14 pm)Shrek Same warning tone both time and oil over the road behind the bus on both occasions from what I've been told.
Three Sapphires had been on the 52/54 most of the day.
(04 Apr 2018, 9:14 pm)Shrek Same warning tone both time and oil over the road behind the bus on both occasions from what I've been told.
Three Sapphires had been on the 52/54 most of the day.
(04 Apr 2018, 6:20 pm)Shrek I'm told 7413 broke down this morning on the 44, was then sent back out and broke down again this evening again on the 44. Are Jesmond short of buses if they're sending buses back out which clearly aren't ready for service?
(04 Apr 2018, 6:20 pm)Shrek I'm told 7413 broke down this morning on the 44, was then sent back out and broke down again this evening again on the 44. Are Jesmond short of buses if they're sending buses back out which clearly aren't ready for service?
(05 Apr 2018, 2:44 am)Multi21 My guess would be trial and error from Jesmond fitters. They thought it was one thing repaired it but clearly the fix wasn't strong enough. Doesn't mean the fitters have just left it. Because you have been told it's the same warning buzzer and oil leaking from it. I can safely assume you haven't driven a bus before as you would know 90% of the warning lights/buzzers make the same noise and the fluid could have literally been anything.
As for sending buses out that "Aren't ready", ask yourself this. Would Arriva a major operator in these parts, in fact in most of Europe risk thier O License by sending defective and dangerous buses back on the road because they are need one for a run. You don't half hear some crazy notions on this forum sometimes.
(05 Apr 2018, 2:44 am)Multi21 My guess would be trial and error from Jesmond fitters. They thought it was one thing repaired it but clearly the fix wasn't strong enough. Doesn't mean the fitters have just left it. Because you have been told it's the same warning buzzer and oil leaking from it. I can safely assume you haven't driven a bus before as you would know 90% of the warning lights/buzzers make the same noise and the fluid could have literally been anything.
As for sending buses out that "Aren't ready", ask yourself this. Would Arriva a major operator in these parts, in fact in most of Europe risk thier O License by sending defective and dangerous buses back on the road because they are need one for a run. You don't half hear some crazy notions on this forum sometimes.
(05 Apr 2018, 2:51 am)mb134 Where's that like button gone?You see I'd normally agree with you, but having been on a 54 not so long ago where the driver was saying he didn't think the bus was fit for the road but he'd been told to ignore the warnings and "just give it a go" it got me wondering last night.
There's not a chance in hell they'd allow a bus to be sent out if they didn't think it was fit for service. Indeed, I'd argue whatever was the issue in the morning had been properly fixed, otherwise the vehicle surely wouldn't have been able to run any journeys in the afternoon/evening, as it would have been stuck in the depot with alarms going off...
(05 Apr 2018, 2:51 am)mb134 Where's that like button gone?You see I'd normally agree with you, but having been on a 54 not so long ago where the driver was saying he didn't think the bus was fit for the road but he'd been told to ignore the warnings and "just give it a go" it got me wondering last night.
There's not a chance in hell they'd allow a bus to be sent out if they didn't think it was fit for service. Indeed, I'd argue whatever was the issue in the morning had been properly fixed, otherwise the vehicle surely wouldn't have been able to run any journeys in the afternoon/evening, as it would have been stuck in the depot with alarms going off...
(04 Apr 2018, 9:41 pm)OrangeArrow49 What is different about MAX, Sapphire etc and when did Arriva introduce these separate identities?
(04 Apr 2018, 9:41 pm)OrangeArrow49 What is different about MAX, Sapphire etc and when did Arriva introduce these separate identities?
(05 Apr 2018, 8:00 am)Shrek You see I'd normally agree with you, but having been on a 54 not so long ago where the driver was saying he didn't think the bus was fit for the road but he'd been told to ignore the warnings and "just give it a go" it got me wondering last night.
(04 Apr 2018, 10:52 pm)OrangeArrow49 Arriva having a new livery is a good thing. I don't think I have seen the new blue livery in the flesh yet. I like the new logo. What even was the old logo meant to be? The lowercase 'arriva' looks more smart and friendly than 'ARRIVA'.
(05 Apr 2018, 8:00 am)Shrek You see I'd normally agree with you, but having been on a 54 not so long ago where the driver was saying he didn't think the bus was fit for the road but he'd been told to ignore the warnings and "just give it a go" it got me wondering last night.
(04 Apr 2018, 10:52 pm)OrangeArrow49 Arriva having a new livery is a good thing. I don't think I have seen the new blue livery in the flesh yet. I like the new logo. What even was the old logo meant to be? The lowercase 'arriva' looks more smart and friendly than 'ARRIVA'.
(05 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm)Cock Robin I agree with you. Certain Arriva employees have rose tinted spectacles! The original poster didn't say anything about it being in a dangerous state but anyone that thinks buses aren't sent out with defects needs to give their head a shake.
(05 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm)Cock Robin I agree with you. Certain Arriva employees have rose tinted spectacles! The original poster didn't say anything about it being in a dangerous state but anyone that thinks buses aren't sent out with defects needs to give their head a shake.
(05 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm)Cock Robin Hate the new logo. Why use a capital A symbol and then spell Arriva with a small a?! Looks Like 'Aarriva'! Not keen on the new livery either. Doesn't look too bad when pristine (although still looks cheap) but soon shows the dirt.
(05 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm)Cock Robin Hate the new logo. Why use a capital A symbol and then spell Arriva with a small a?! Looks Like 'Aarriva'! Not keen on the new livery either. Doesn't look too bad when pristine (although still looks cheap) but soon shows the dirt.
(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 Well, I agree the new logo having a capital A then spelling Arriva with a small a is rather odd! However, what is the old logo meant to be? I think it might be a small a symbol with ARRIVA in capitals, but I could be wrong as I really don't know what the symbol is.
(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 Hopefully I will see the new livery soon.
(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 Well, I agree the new logo having a capital A then spelling Arriva with a small a is rather odd! However, what is the old logo meant to be? I think it might be a small a symbol with ARRIVA in capitals, but I could be wrong as I really don't know what the symbol is.
(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 Hopefully I will see the new livery soon.
(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 Hopefully I will see the new livery soon.
(05 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm)OrangeArrow49 Hopefully I will see the new livery soon.
(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 *cough* 500 Group Running Day *Cough*
It's not a case of Arriva employees having rose tinted spectacles. It's common sense. I wouldn't expect any company from independents Scarlet Band, Stagecarriage or one of the Proctors group all the way through to the national ones to willingly send out a vehicle Van, Minibus, coach, Double decker, hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road. Why...? What happens to the tyres of the vehicle following the bus that "got sent out because the fitters thought it would be okay", Weeeeee BANG! To put It into family friendly terms.
I said it last time and I'll say it again. Arriva a multinational company will not risk its O License by sending out a defective bus. No bus is perfect however there is a line as to what is considered roadworthy and its something called a PG9. Google it you will get a document from Gov.Uk over 100 pages on defects that would deem a bus unroadworthy (Oil Leak is page 88 if you want to argue) It's an immediate prohibition which means if VOSA/DVSA see it on the road with it Knowingly, The bus gets impounded, The driver will be fined anywhere up to £5000 and risks penalty points on his LICENCE, Arriva will be up in front of the Traffic Commissioners in Leeds and they risk losing thier operators licence.
Next time think before you type needless slander ?
(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 *cough* 500 Group Running Day *Cough*
It's not a case of Arriva employees having rose tinted spectacles. It's common sense. I wouldn't expect any company from independents Scarlet Band, Stagecarriage or one of the Proctors group all the way through to the national ones to willingly send out a vehicle Van, Minibus, coach, Double decker, hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road. Why...? What happens to the tyres of the vehicle following the bus that "got sent out because the fitters thought it would be okay", Weeeeee BANG! To put It into family friendly terms.
I said it last time and I'll say it again. Arriva a multinational company will not risk its O License by sending out a defective bus. No bus is perfect however there is a line as to what is considered roadworthy and its something called a PG9. Google it you will get a document from Gov.Uk over 100 pages on defects that would deem a bus unroadworthy (Oil Leak is page 88 if you want to argue) It's an immediate prohibition which means if VOSA/DVSA see it on the road with it Knowingly, The bus gets impounded, The driver will be fined anywhere up to £5000 and risks penalty points on his LICENCE, Arriva will be up in front of the Traffic Commissioners in Leeds and they risk losing thier operators licence.
Next time think before you type needless slander ?
(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 *cough* 500 Group Running Day *Cough*All hypothetical of course...
It's not a case of Arriva employees having rose tinted spectacles. It's common sense. I wouldn't expect any company from independents Scarlet Band, Stagecarriage or one of the Proctors group all the way through to the national ones to willingly send out a vehicle Van, Minibus, coach, Double decker, hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road. Why...? What happens to the tyres of the vehicle following the bus that "got sent out because the fitters thought it would be okay", Weeeeee BANG! To put It into family friendly terms.
I said it last time and I'll say it again. Arriva a multinational company will not risk its O License by sending out a defective bus. No bus is perfect however there is a line as to what is considered roadworthy and its something called a PG9. Google it you will get a document from Gov.Uk over 100 pages on defects that would deem a bus unroadworthy (Oil Leak is page 88 if you want to argue) It's an immediate prohibition which means if VOSA/DVSA see it on the road with it Knowingly, The bus gets impounded, The driver will be fined anywhere up to £5000 and risks penalty points on his LICENCE, Arriva will be up in front of the Traffic Commissioners in Leeds and they risk losing thier operators licence.
Next time think before you type needless slander ?
(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 *cough* 500 Group Running Day *Cough*All hypothetical of course...
It's not a case of Arriva employees having rose tinted spectacles. It's common sense. I wouldn't expect any company from independents Scarlet Band, Stagecarriage or one of the Proctors group all the way through to the national ones to willingly send out a vehicle Van, Minibus, coach, Double decker, hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road. Why...? What happens to the tyres of the vehicle following the bus that "got sent out because the fitters thought it would be okay", Weeeeee BANG! To put It into family friendly terms.
I said it last time and I'll say it again. Arriva a multinational company will not risk its O License by sending out a defective bus. No bus is perfect however there is a line as to what is considered roadworthy and its something called a PG9. Google it you will get a document from Gov.Uk over 100 pages on defects that would deem a bus unroadworthy (Oil Leak is page 88 if you want to argue) It's an immediate prohibition which means if VOSA/DVSA see it on the road with it Knowingly, The bus gets impounded, The driver will be fined anywhere up to £5000 and risks penalty points on his LICENCE, Arriva will be up in front of the Traffic Commissioners in Leeds and they risk losing thier operators licence.
Next time think before you type needless slander ?
(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road.
(06 Apr 2018, 12:57 am)Multi21 hell even a pushbike if it was leaking any type of fluid onto the road.
(06 Apr 2018, 9:16 am)OrangeArrow49 You appear to have replied to the wrong person.
Can we keep this to friendly debate? It gets somewhat ridiculous. The bus expired twice in a day, therefore Arriva failed. Whatever the circumstances, it broke twice, same reason or different reason. They have to keep buses moving to make profit as they are a business. A vehicle that stops working correctly twice in the same day is not a roadworthy bus at all. They won't send it out intentionally in a dangerous condition, but will push the limits of acceptability to keep it moving and making them money.
Thank you.
(06 Apr 2018, 9:37 am)Andreos1 All hypothetical of course...
Would a quick fix sort out the issue temporarily until fitters a) have time to sort it properly. B) a non-essential part is sourced. C) pvr requirements and pressures from management to get the vehicle out on the road has decreased?
Could that temporary fix then fail?
(06 Apr 2018, 9:16 am)OrangeArrow49 You appear to have replied to the wrong person.
Can we keep this to friendly debate? It gets somewhat ridiculous. The bus expired twice in a day, therefore Arriva failed. Whatever the circumstances, it broke twice, same reason or different reason. They have to keep buses moving to make profit as they are a business. A vehicle that stops working correctly twice in the same day is not a roadworthy bus at all. They won't send it out intentionally in a dangerous condition, but will push the limits of acceptability to keep it moving and making them money.
Thank you.
(06 Apr 2018, 9:37 am)Andreos1 All hypothetical of course...
Would a quick fix sort out the issue temporarily until fitters a) have time to sort it properly. B) a non-essential part is sourced. C) pvr requirements and pressures from management to get the vehicle out on the road has decreased?
Could that temporary fix then fail?