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16 Mar 2019, 5:46 pm #121
(16 Mar 2019, 11:46 am)Michael Think the numbers are right:

Allocations:

11 Enviro 200MMC to Deptford for the 9 although no spares of the type, Citaro's would be used instead. 
15 E400 MMC’s for Red Arrow (2 spare)
14 E400 MMC’s for FAB 56 (2 spare)
Double decker’s to have tables and wireless USB charging ports.

Others:

13 Omnidekka’s from Brighton
9 Electric buses

Electric buses

Saltwell Park - 8 + 1 spare.



Cascades:

11 Citaro to stay at Deptford to get rid of the Scania's. 
Red Arrow B9’s
11 B9’s from Red Arrow to Chester to replace the Omnidekka’s
1 B9 Red Arrow to replace 6146 at Crook
1 B9 to replace 6017 at Washington
2 B9’s replace 6920 and 6921 at Riverside

FAB 56 B9’s  

10 to Percy Main to replace 3995, 3996, 6132, 34, 35, 44, 45, 47, 48
4 b9’s to be branded for the DFDS Seaways


Omnidekka’s

10 Chester Omnidekka’s to Riverside to replace the Vykings
1 Omnidekka to Riverside to replace 6922
10 Omnidekka from Percy Main to replace 6923-6932
9 Omnidekka’s from Brighton to replace 6933-6941
4 Omnidekka’s from Brighton as spares.

Saltwell Park Streetlites: 

8 Streetlites to the Loop 

Withdrawals:

19 Scania L94
10 Vykings
Presidents - 6920 - 6941

PVR of loop was increased to 9 last year.

Could put 8339-46 on 58, with 5377-84 on the 93/94, with 5389 or 90 making up the 9 buses.
Edited 16 Mar 2019, 5:51 pm by park5354.
park5354
16 Mar 2019, 5:46 pm #121

(16 Mar 2019, 11:46 am)Michael Think the numbers are right:

Allocations:

11 Enviro 200MMC to Deptford for the 9 although no spares of the type, Citaro's would be used instead. 
15 E400 MMC’s for Red Arrow (2 spare)
14 E400 MMC’s for FAB 56 (2 spare)
Double decker’s to have tables and wireless USB charging ports.

Others:

13 Omnidekka’s from Brighton
9 Electric buses

Electric buses

Saltwell Park - 8 + 1 spare.



Cascades:

11 Citaro to stay at Deptford to get rid of the Scania's. 
Red Arrow B9’s
11 B9’s from Red Arrow to Chester to replace the Omnidekka’s
1 B9 Red Arrow to replace 6146 at Crook
1 B9 to replace 6017 at Washington
2 B9’s replace 6920 and 6921 at Riverside

FAB 56 B9’s  

10 to Percy Main to replace 3995, 3996, 6132, 34, 35, 44, 45, 47, 48
4 b9’s to be branded for the DFDS Seaways


Omnidekka’s

10 Chester Omnidekka’s to Riverside to replace the Vykings
1 Omnidekka to Riverside to replace 6922
10 Omnidekka from Percy Main to replace 6923-6932
9 Omnidekka’s from Brighton to replace 6933-6941
4 Omnidekka’s from Brighton as spares.

Saltwell Park Streetlites: 

8 Streetlites to the Loop 

Withdrawals:

19 Scania L94
10 Vykings
Presidents - 6920 - 6941

PVR of loop was increased to 9 last year.

Could put 8339-46 on 58, with 5377-84 on the 93/94, with 5389 or 90 making up the 9 buses.

Michael



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16 Mar 2019, 6:17 pm #122
(16 Mar 2019, 5:46 pm)park5354 PVR of loop was increased to 9 last year.

Could put 8339-46 on 58, with 5377-84 on the 93/94, with 5389 or 90 making up the 9 buses.

Ah right, didn't know that!

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
16 Mar 2019, 6:17 pm #122

(16 Mar 2019, 5:46 pm)park5354 PVR of loop was increased to 9 last year.

Could put 8339-46 on 58, with 5377-84 on the 93/94, with 5389 or 90 making up the 9 buses.

Ah right, didn't know that!


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael



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18 Mar 2019, 8:19 pm #123
With the new Consett depot having electric vehicle charging stations... wonder if we have electric vehicles on order for Consett, as the 9 from funding will more likely end up at Riverside.

So:

11 electric buses for the Red kites - 45 and 46, leaving the 47 separate

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Riverside replacing the Green Arrow Scania's


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11 single deckers and 4 Electric deckers for the Red kites 

Cascades:

10 Streetlite to Deptford, replacing the Scania's 

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14 Electric deckers for the Red Kites + 2 spare 

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Green Arrow 

4 B9's remain at Stanley to replace the Omnidekka's, Omnidekka's to replace the older decker buses in the fleet.
Edited 18 Mar 2019, 8:29 pm by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
18 Mar 2019, 8:19 pm #123

With the new Consett depot having electric vehicle charging stations... wonder if we have electric vehicles on order for Consett, as the 9 from funding will more likely end up at Riverside.

So:

11 electric buses for the Red kites - 45 and 46, leaving the 47 separate

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Riverside replacing the Green Arrow Scania's


---------------------------

11 single deckers and 4 Electric deckers for the Red kites 

Cascades:

10 Streetlite to Deptford, replacing the Scania's 

-----

14 Electric deckers for the Red Kites + 2 spare 

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Green Arrow 

4 B9's remain at Stanley to replace the Omnidekka's, Omnidekka's to replace the older decker buses in the fleet.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

18 Mar 2019, 9:28 pm #124
(18 Mar 2019, 8:19 pm)Michael With the new Consett depot having electric vehicle charging stations... wonder if we have electric vehicles on order for Consett, as the 9 from funding will more likely end up at Riverside.

So:

11 electric buses for the Red kites - 45 and 46, leaving the 47 separate

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Riverside replacing the Green Arrow Scania's


---------------------------

11 single deckers and 4 Electric deckers for the Red kites 

Cascades:

10 Streetlite to Deptford, replacing the Scania's 

-----

14 Electric deckers for the Red Kites + 2 spare 

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Green Arrow 

4 B9's remain at Stanley to replace the Omnidekka's, Omnidekka's to replace the older decker buses in the fleet.
It will be sure interesting and if that’s the case and I think one of your suggestions maybe correct. This is the first I’ve heard of it. Electric buses could also possibly go on Durham Diamond Services anyone’s guess at the moment.
NewcastleOne
18 Mar 2019, 9:28 pm #124

(18 Mar 2019, 8:19 pm)Michael With the new Consett depot having electric vehicle charging stations... wonder if we have electric vehicles on order for Consett, as the 9 from funding will more likely end up at Riverside.

So:

11 electric buses for the Red kites - 45 and 46, leaving the 47 separate

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Riverside replacing the Green Arrow Scania's


---------------------------

11 single deckers and 4 Electric deckers for the Red kites 

Cascades:

10 Streetlite to Deptford, replacing the Scania's 

-----

14 Electric deckers for the Red Kites + 2 spare 

Cascades:

10 Streetlites to Green Arrow 

4 B9's remain at Stanley to replace the Omnidekka's, Omnidekka's to replace the older decker buses in the fleet.
It will be sure interesting and if that’s the case and I think one of your suggestions maybe correct. This is the first I’ve heard of it. Electric buses could also possibly go on Durham Diamond Services anyone’s guess at the moment.

Stanleyone

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19 Mar 2019, 4:42 am #125
(18 Mar 2019, 9:28 pm)NewcastleOne It will be sure interesting and if that’s the case and I think one of your suggestions maybe correct. This is the first I’ve heard of it. Electric buses could also possibly go on Durham Diamond Services anyone’s guess at the moment.

Might be wrong, but i don't think Hownsgill will have anymore than 4 electric charging points.
Stanleyone
19 Mar 2019, 4:42 am #125

(18 Mar 2019, 9:28 pm)NewcastleOne It will be sure interesting and if that’s the case and I think one of your suggestions maybe correct. This is the first I’ve heard of it. Electric buses could also possibly go on Durham Diamond Services anyone’s guess at the moment.

Might be wrong, but i don't think Hownsgill will have anymore than 4 electric charging points.

19 Mar 2019, 7:23 am #126
(19 Mar 2019, 4:42 am)Stanleyone Might be wrong, but i don't think Hownsgill will have anymore than 4 electric charging points.

Are we sure they're for buses and not just for employees' cars?
Ianthegoon
19 Mar 2019, 7:23 am #126

(19 Mar 2019, 4:42 am)Stanleyone Might be wrong, but i don't think Hownsgill will have anymore than 4 electric charging points.

Are we sure they're for buses and not just for employees' cars?

Stanleyone

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19 Mar 2019, 8:00 am #127
(19 Mar 2019, 7:23 am)Ianthegoon Are we sure they're for buses and not just for employees' cars?

From the last plan I saw it’s not for buses, but of course things do change
Stanleyone
19 Mar 2019, 8:00 am #127

(19 Mar 2019, 7:23 am)Ianthegoon Are we sure they're for buses and not just for employees' cars?

From the last plan I saw it’s not for buses, but of course things do change

L469 YVK



3,544
21 Mar 2019, 5:35 am #128
Lets look at the double deck PVRs
- Fab 56 (14)(16 with spares)
- Red Arrows (13x)(15 with spares)
- Tyne Valley Ten (16x)(18 with spares)

Therefore, the only 2x services that add up to 33 vehicles in total are the TVT + Red Arrows. And it's unlikely that GNE will re-increase the Red Arrows back to every 10 mins.

My prediction is as follows based on the TVT + Red Arrows getting new buses with spares as well:
- 6071-83 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6100 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6084 stays at Riverside incase Tachographs are re-introduced
- 6043/44 to Consett as spares
- 6045/46 to Percy Main as spares
- 6047/48 to Deptford as spares
- 6099 to Crook as spare for X21

Then:
- 6001-07 & 6049-55 to Consett replacing 6149-61
- 6149-61 & 6118-21 to EYMS
Edited 21 Mar 2019, 5:36 am by L469 YVK.
L469 YVK
21 Mar 2019, 5:35 am #128

Lets look at the double deck PVRs
- Fab 56 (14)(16 with spares)
- Red Arrows (13x)(15 with spares)
- Tyne Valley Ten (16x)(18 with spares)

Therefore, the only 2x services that add up to 33 vehicles in total are the TVT + Red Arrows. And it's unlikely that GNE will re-increase the Red Arrows back to every 10 mins.

My prediction is as follows based on the TVT + Red Arrows getting new buses with spares as well:
- 6071-83 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6100 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6084 stays at Riverside incase Tachographs are re-introduced
- 6043/44 to Consett as spares
- 6045/46 to Percy Main as spares
- 6047/48 to Deptford as spares
- 6099 to Crook as spare for X21

Then:
- 6001-07 & 6049-55 to Consett replacing 6149-61
- 6149-61 & 6118-21 to EYMS

Stanleyone

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21 Mar 2019, 5:47 am #129
(21 Mar 2019, 5:35 am)L469 YVK Lets look at the double deck PVRs
- Fab 56 (14)(16 with spares)
- Red Arrows (13x)(15 with spares)
- Tyne Valley Ten (16x)(18 with spares)

Therefore, the only 2x services that add up to 33 vehicles in total are the TVT + Red Arrows. And it's unlikely that GNE will re-increase the Red Arrows back to every 10 mins.

My prediction is as follows based on the TVT + Red Arrows getting new buses with spares as well:
- 6071-83 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6100 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6084 stays at Riverside incase Tachographs are re-introduced
- 6043/44 to Consett as spares
- 6045/46 to Percy Main as spares
- 6047/48 to Deptford as spares
- 6099 to Crook as spare for X21

Then:
- 6001-07 & 6049-55 to Consett replacing 6149-61
- 6149-61 & 6118-21 to EYMS

Might be a case of gne not replacing decker for decker, plenty of single decks need replacing
Stanleyone
21 Mar 2019, 5:47 am #129

(21 Mar 2019, 5:35 am)L469 YVK Lets look at the double deck PVRs
- Fab 56 (14)(16 with spares)
- Red Arrows (13x)(15 with spares)
- Tyne Valley Ten (16x)(18 with spares)

Therefore, the only 2x services that add up to 33 vehicles in total are the TVT + Red Arrows. And it's unlikely that GNE will re-increase the Red Arrows back to every 10 mins.

My prediction is as follows based on the TVT + Red Arrows getting new buses with spares as well:
- 6071-83 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6100 to Consett for Red Kites
- 6084 stays at Riverside incase Tachographs are re-introduced
- 6043/44 to Consett as spares
- 6045/46 to Percy Main as spares
- 6047/48 to Deptford as spares
- 6099 to Crook as spare for X21

Then:
- 6001-07 & 6049-55 to Consett replacing 6149-61
- 6149-61 & 6118-21 to EYMS

Might be a case of gne not replacing decker for decker, plenty of single decks need replacing

Michael



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24 Mar 2019, 11:25 am #130
(21 Mar 2019, 5:47 am)Stanleyone Might be a case of gne not replacing decker for decker, plenty of single decks need replacing

Aye i agree, i do wonder if any of the single decker routes get double deckers, the frequency will be dropped to accommodate the increase in seats, which may not be needed?

example - 60 gets B9's - drops to every 15 minutes
Edited 24 Mar 2019, 11:28 am by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
24 Mar 2019, 11:25 am #130

(21 Mar 2019, 5:47 am)Stanleyone Might be a case of gne not replacing decker for decker, plenty of single decks need replacing

Aye i agree, i do wonder if any of the single decker routes get double deckers, the frequency will be dropped to accommodate the increase in seats, which may not be needed?

example - 60 gets B9's - drops to every 15 minutes


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

GNE6312



1,091
24 Mar 2019, 11:56 am #131
Why don't they not either re-fit 710-4 with euro 6 engines or replace them with newer euro 6 optare solo SRs as they are only 4
GNE6312
24 Mar 2019, 11:56 am #131

Why don't they not either re-fit 710-4 with euro 6 engines or replace them with newer euro 6 optare solo SRs as they are only 4

Dan

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24 Mar 2019, 12:22 pm #132
(24 Mar 2019, 11:25 am)Michael Aye i agree, i do wonder if any of the single decker routes get double deckers, the frequency will be dropped to accommodate the increase in seats, which may not be needed?

example - 60 gets B9's - drops to every 15 minutes
The low bridge on the route of the 60 may exclude that route from being upgraded to double-deck, though, unless we fancied a few more buses like 6000!

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Dan
24 Mar 2019, 12:22 pm #132

(24 Mar 2019, 11:25 am)Michael Aye i agree, i do wonder if any of the single decker routes get double deckers, the frequency will be dropped to accommodate the increase in seats, which may not be needed?

example - 60 gets B9's - drops to every 15 minutes
The low bridge on the route of the 60 may exclude that route from being upgraded to double-deck, though, unless we fancied a few more buses like 6000!

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

Dan

Site Administrator

18,099
24 Mar 2019, 12:22 pm #133
(24 Mar 2019, 11:25 am)Michael Aye i agree, i do wonder if any of the single decker routes get double deckers, the frequency will be dropped to accommodate the increase in seats, which may not be needed?

example - 60 gets B9's - drops to every 15 minutes
The low bridge on the route of the 60 may exclude that route from being upgraded to double-deck, though, unless we fancied a few more buses like 6000!

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Dan
24 Mar 2019, 12:22 pm #133

(24 Mar 2019, 11:25 am)Michael Aye i agree, i do wonder if any of the single decker routes get double deckers, the frequency will be dropped to accommodate the increase in seats, which may not be needed?

example - 60 gets B9's - drops to every 15 minutes
The low bridge on the route of the 60 may exclude that route from being upgraded to double-deck, though, unless we fancied a few more buses like 6000!

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

Michael



19,142
24 Mar 2019, 12:24 pm #134
(24 Mar 2019, 12:22 pm)Dan The low bridge on the route of the 60 may exclude that route from being upgraded to double-deck, though, unless we fancied a few more buses like 6000!

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Aye but that was just an example, it was the first service which came to mind!

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
24 Mar 2019, 12:24 pm #134

(24 Mar 2019, 12:22 pm)Dan The low bridge on the route of the 60 may exclude that route from being upgraded to double-deck, though, unless we fancied a few more buses like 6000!

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

Aye but that was just an example, it was the first service which came to mind!


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK



3,544
23 Apr 2019, 8:10 pm #135
Looking at the allocations, I'd reckon all of the B9TLs from Riverside / Hexham (excl 6084) will transfer to Percy Main after a refurb once new buses have arrived for the TVT (got to be given the numbers for this years decker orders). That will then provide 16x for the Coaster + 3x spares covering a PVR of 33x (17x Cobalt Clipper and 16x Coaster).

The B5LHs I reckon will be either be moved to another Go Ahead division or maybe the following if kept within GNE:
- 8x CityLink 58 (if not upgraded with new electric single deck vehicles)
- 5x Blaydon Racers
- 2x Spare
L469 YVK
23 Apr 2019, 8:10 pm #135

Looking at the allocations, I'd reckon all of the B9TLs from Riverside / Hexham (excl 6084) will transfer to Percy Main after a refurb once new buses have arrived for the TVT (got to be given the numbers for this years decker orders). That will then provide 16x for the Coaster + 3x spares covering a PVR of 33x (17x Cobalt Clipper and 16x Coaster).

The B5LHs I reckon will be either be moved to another Go Ahead division or maybe the following if kept within GNE:
- 8x CityLink 58 (if not upgraded with new electric single deck vehicles)
- 5x Blaydon Racers
- 2x Spare

23 Apr 2019, 8:17 pm #136
I do hope Crusader 27 get (if it happens) Coaster buses because of increase capacity during hot weather and Metro problems where is no 900 in place and Mercs dont cope.
Panasonic44
23 Apr 2019, 8:17 pm #136

I do hope Crusader 27 get (if it happens) Coaster buses because of increase capacity during hot weather and Metro problems where is no 900 in place and Mercs dont cope.

BusLoverMum



5,276
23 Apr 2019, 11:13 pm #137
(23 Apr 2019, 8:17 pm)Panasonic44 I do hope Crusader 27 get (if it happens) Coaster buses because of increase capacity during hot weather and Metro problems where is no 900 in place and Mercs dont cope.

They only moved to the coaster last year, though.
BusLoverMum
23 Apr 2019, 11:13 pm #137

(23 Apr 2019, 8:17 pm)Panasonic44 I do hope Crusader 27 get (if it happens) Coaster buses because of increase capacity during hot weather and Metro problems where is no 900 in place and Mercs dont cope.

They only moved to the coaster last year, though.

MrBoyt



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25 Apr 2019, 5:11 pm #138
Order details announced to staff this evening! Sure you lot will hear soon enough
MrBoyt
25 Apr 2019, 5:11 pm #138

Order details announced to staff this evening! Sure you lot will hear soon enough

25 Apr 2019, 5:24 pm #139
(25 Apr 2019, 5:11 pm)MrBoyt Order details announced to staff this evening! Sure you lot will hear soon enough

And judging by the wording of it, I don't think anyone's guessed correctly where these are heading on the forum!
deanmachine
25 Apr 2019, 5:24 pm #139

(25 Apr 2019, 5:11 pm)MrBoyt Order details announced to staff this evening! Sure you lot will hear soon enough

And judging by the wording of it, I don't think anyone's guessed correctly where these are heading on the forum!

Stanleyone

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25 Apr 2019, 5:25 pm #140
(25 Apr 2019, 5:24 pm)deanmachine And judging by the wording of it, I don't think anyone's guessed correctly where these are heading on the forum!

No allocations announced in the message, just types and numbers.
Stanleyone
25 Apr 2019, 5:25 pm #140

(25 Apr 2019, 5:24 pm)deanmachine And judging by the wording of it, I don't think anyone's guessed correctly where these are heading on the forum!

No allocations announced in the message, just types and numbers.

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