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Michael



19,143
29 May 2019, 9:00 am #221
(29 May 2019, 8:36 am)Kuyoyo For those who aren't on the 'Busesnortheast' Facebook Group, a comment by Martjn Gilbert on photos of the Enviro Demos has confirmed the following regarding the new vehicles:

The Enviro200MMCs are for Riverside depot, not Washington.
The initial Double Decker order will be for Consett and Stanley area services (presumably confirming the E400s are low-height examples for the X30, matches the PVR)
The additional vehicle added to the order is indeed a Streetdeck but unlike the rest, this will feature the 6 cylinder engine as a trial - as such, it will operated out of every depot at various points.

Thanks for sharing.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 May 2019, 9:00 am #221

(29 May 2019, 8:36 am)Kuyoyo For those who aren't on the 'Busesnortheast' Facebook Group, a comment by Martjn Gilbert on photos of the Enviro Demos has confirmed the following regarding the new vehicles:

The Enviro200MMCs are for Riverside depot, not Washington.
The initial Double Decker order will be for Consett and Stanley area services (presumably confirming the E400s are low-height examples for the X30, matches the PVR)
The additional vehicle added to the order is indeed a Streetdeck but unlike the rest, this will feature the 6 cylinder engine as a trial - as such, it will operated out of every depot at various points.

Thanks for sharing.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

29 May 2019, 10:27 am #222
Had a feeling that those E200s were for the 97. Not like GNE these days to order no spare buses, which there wouldn't of been if they were for the 4.
deanmachine
29 May 2019, 10:27 am #222

Had a feeling that those E200s were for the 97. Not like GNE these days to order no spare buses, which there wouldn't of been if they were for the 4.

JP6004



1,833
29 May 2019, 10:51 am #223
(29 May 2019, 10:27 am)deanmachine Had a feeling that those E200s were for the 97. Not like GNE these days to order no spare buses, which there wouldn't of been if they were for the 4.

Isn't the PVR for the 97 also 11?
JP6004
29 May 2019, 10:51 am #223

(29 May 2019, 10:27 am)deanmachine Had a feeling that those E200s were for the 97. Not like GNE these days to order no spare buses, which there wouldn't of been if they were for the 4.

Isn't the PVR for the 97 also 11?

L469 YVK



3,544
29 May 2019, 11:30 am #224
So will this mean the following?:
- 10x + 1x spare E200MMC for 97/97A
- 14+2x spare StreetDeck OM936 for 45/46/47
- 13x+1x spare StreetDeck OM936 for X1
- 3x E400MMC for X30
- 1x float StreetDeck OM936
L469 YVK
29 May 2019, 11:30 am #224

So will this mean the following?:
- 10x + 1x spare E200MMC for 97/97A
- 14+2x spare StreetDeck OM936 for 45/46/47
- 13x+1x spare StreetDeck OM936 for X1
- 3x E400MMC for X30
- 1x float StreetDeck OM936

Kuyoyo



6,849
29 May 2019, 11:35 am #225
(29 May 2019, 11:30 am)L469 YVK So will this mean the following?: - 10x + 1x spare E200MMC for 97/97A - 14+2x spare StreetDeck OM936 for 45/46/47 - 13x+1x spare StreetDeck OM936 for X1 - 3x E400MMC for X30 - 1x float StreetDeck OM936


Interestingly, someone else commented on that photo that Washington are not due any new buses this year. Whether than just means if any are due, they're not due until early next year, is anyone's guess.
Also, there's only 1 OM936 Streetdeck - the float. The rest, as stated by Mr Gilbert, are the standard OM934 version.
Kuyoyo
29 May 2019, 11:35 am #225

(29 May 2019, 11:30 am)L469 YVK So will this mean the following?: - 10x + 1x spare E200MMC for 97/97A - 14+2x spare StreetDeck OM936 for 45/46/47 - 13x+1x spare StreetDeck OM936 for X1 - 3x E400MMC for X30 - 1x float StreetDeck OM936


Interestingly, someone else commented on that photo that Washington are not due any new buses this year. Whether than just means if any are due, they're not due until early next year, is anyone's guess.
Also, there's only 1 OM936 Streetdeck - the float. The rest, as stated by Mr Gilbert, are the standard OM934 version.

29 May 2019, 11:42 am #226

(29 May 2019, 10:51 am)JP6004 Isn't the PVR for the 97 also 11?

No it’s 10

NewcastleOne
29 May 2019, 11:42 am #226

(29 May 2019, 10:51 am)JP6004 Isn't the PVR for the 97 also 11?

No it’s 10

JP6004



1,833
29 May 2019, 11:45 am #227
(29 May 2019, 11:42 am)NewcastleOne

No it’s 10


Ah thought it increased a couple years back
JP6004
29 May 2019, 11:45 am #227

(29 May 2019, 11:42 am)NewcastleOne

No it’s 10


Ah thought it increased a couple years back

L469 YVK



3,544
29 May 2019, 3:11 pm #228
(29 May 2019, 11:35 am)Kuyoyo Interestingly, someone else commented on that photo that Washington are not due any new buses this year. Whether than just means if any are due, they're not due until early next year, is anyone's guess.
Also, there's only 1 OM936 Streetdeck - the float. The rest, as stated by Mr Gilbert, are the standard OM934 version.
Unless the OM934s for Red Kite were ordered before MG took charge of GNE and MG want's to assess multiple vehicle types for the X1.
L469 YVK
29 May 2019, 3:11 pm #228

(29 May 2019, 11:35 am)Kuyoyo Interestingly, someone else commented on that photo that Washington are not due any new buses this year. Whether than just means if any are due, they're not due until early next year, is anyone's guess.
Also, there's only 1 OM936 Streetdeck - the float. The rest, as stated by Mr Gilbert, are the standard OM934 version.
Unless the OM934s for Red Kite were ordered before MG took charge of GNE and MG want's to assess multiple vehicle types for the X1.

JP6004



1,833
29 May 2019, 3:31 pm #229
(29 May 2019, 3:11 pm)L469 YVK Unless the OM934s for Red Kite were ordered before MG took charge of GNE and MG want's to assess multiple vehicle types for the X1.

A fair few demos have been on the X1. I can't see all 34 deckers going to consett. Let's not forget officially the X1 hasnt been ruled out.
JP6004
29 May 2019, 3:31 pm #229

(29 May 2019, 3:11 pm)L469 YVK Unless the OM934s for Red Kite were ordered before MG took charge of GNE and MG want's to assess multiple vehicle types for the X1.

A fair few demos have been on the X1. I can't see all 34 deckers going to consett. Let's not forget officially the X1 hasnt been ruled out.

L469 YVK



3,544
29 May 2019, 3:38 pm #230
(29 May 2019, 3:31 pm)JP6004 A fair few demos have been on the X1. I can't see all 34 deckers going to consett. Let's not forget officially the X1 hasnt been ruled out.
I think it will happen for the X1 but with Wrightbus now offering the OM936, that changes things a bit and GNE need to evaluate both the E400MMC more intensely and also evaluate Wrightbus' improved offering.
L469 YVK
29 May 2019, 3:38 pm #230

(29 May 2019, 3:31 pm)JP6004 A fair few demos have been on the X1. I can't see all 34 deckers going to consett. Let's not forget officially the X1 hasnt been ruled out.
I think it will happen for the X1 but with Wrightbus now offering the OM936, that changes things a bit and GNE need to evaluate both the E400MMC more intensely and also evaluate Wrightbus' improved offering.

JP6004



1,833
29 May 2019, 3:46 pm #231
(29 May 2019, 3:38 pm)L469 YVK I think it will happen for the X1 but with Wrightbus now offering the OM936, that changes things a bit and GNE need to evaluate both the E400MMC more intensely and also evaluate Wrightbus' improved offering.

Maybe they evaluating for X21 as they don't seem to cope very well on the long route
JP6004
29 May 2019, 3:46 pm #231

(29 May 2019, 3:38 pm)L469 YVK I think it will happen for the X1 but with Wrightbus now offering the OM936, that changes things a bit and GNE need to evaluate both the E400MMC more intensely and also evaluate Wrightbus' improved offering.

Maybe they evaluating for X21 as they don't seem to cope very well on the long route

BusLoverMum



5,276
29 May 2019, 5:51 pm #232

(29 May 2019, 3:46 pm)JP6004 Maybe they evaluating for X21 as they don't seem to cope very well on the long route


Now this baffles me. Surely a bus in service for 12 hours or so is in service for 12 hours or so, whether the route is 5 miles or 50? Isn't the issue more accurately that those streetdecks don't like the fast stretches? </pedantic>

BusLoverMum
29 May 2019, 5:51 pm #232

(29 May 2019, 3:46 pm)JP6004 Maybe they evaluating for X21 as they don't seem to cope very well on the long route


Now this baffles me. Surely a bus in service for 12 hours or so is in service for 12 hours or so, whether the route is 5 miles or 50? Isn't the issue more accurately that those streetdecks don't like the fast stretches? </pedantic>

JP6004



1,833
29 May 2019, 5:55 pm #233
(29 May 2019, 5:51 pm)BusLoverMum


Now this baffles me. Surely a bus in service for 12 hours or so is in service for 12 hours or so, whether the route is 5 miles or 50? Isn't the issue more accurately that those streetdecks don't like the fast stretches? </pedantic>


I didn't think u got any fast stretches will those streetdecks Tongue
JP6004
29 May 2019, 5:55 pm #233

(29 May 2019, 5:51 pm)BusLoverMum


Now this baffles me. Surely a bus in service for 12 hours or so is in service for 12 hours or so, whether the route is 5 miles or 50? Isn't the issue more accurately that those streetdecks don't like the fast stretches? </pedantic>


I didn't think u got any fast stretches will those streetdecks Tongue

Michael



19,143
29 May 2019, 6:08 pm #234

(29 May 2019, 8:36 am)Kuyoyo For those who aren't on the 'Busesnortheast' Facebook Group, a comment by Martjn Gilbert on photos of the Enviro Demos has confirmed the following regarding the new vehicles:

The Enviro200MMCs are for Riverside depot, not Washington.
The initial Double Decker order will be for Consett and Stanley area services (presumably confirming the E400s are low-height examples for the X30, matches the PVR)
The additional vehicle added to the order is indeed a Streetdeck but unlike the rest, this will feature the 6 cylinder engine as a trial - as such, it will operated out of every depot at various points.



33 Deckers (+ 1 for the trial)

16 for Red Kite (2 spare)
10 for X31/X70/X71 (1 spare)
3 E400MMC on the X30

4 - Not sure where they could go...

>11 Single deckers:

97/97A - 1 spare

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 May 2019, 6:08 pm #234

(29 May 2019, 8:36 am)Kuyoyo For those who aren't on the 'Busesnortheast' Facebook Group, a comment by Martjn Gilbert on photos of the Enviro Demos has confirmed the following regarding the new vehicles:

The Enviro200MMCs are for Riverside depot, not Washington.
The initial Double Decker order will be for Consett and Stanley area services (presumably confirming the E400s are low-height examples for the X30, matches the PVR)
The additional vehicle added to the order is indeed a Streetdeck but unlike the rest, this will feature the 6 cylinder engine as a trial - as such, it will operated out of every depot at various points.



33 Deckers (+ 1 for the trial)

16 for Red Kite (2 spare)
10 for X31/X70/X71 (1 spare)
3 E400MMC on the X30

4 - Not sure where they could go...

>11 Single deckers:

97/97A - 1 spare


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Stanleyone

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29 May 2019, 6:51 pm #235

(29 May 2019, 6:08 pm)Michael

33 Deckers (+ 1 for the trial)


16 for Red Kite (2 spare)

10 for X31/X70/X71 (1 spare)

3 E400MMC on the X30


11 Single deckers: 97/97A - 1 spare


I like your thinking Michael. As MG has said the additional streetdeck will be a spare for all streetdeck depots, so in your thinking it will be Chester-Le-Street, Consett and Crook. Will the X31 return to Consett?, maybe the X30,X31,X70 & X71 might get the Xlines treatment with new E400s & streetdecks. Is the streetdeck available in low height to go under Dunston bridge otherwise in the event that a E400 is unavailable it’ll be a omnidekka replacement

Stanleyone
29 May 2019, 6:51 pm #235

(29 May 2019, 6:08 pm)Michael

33 Deckers (+ 1 for the trial)


16 for Red Kite (2 spare)

10 for X31/X70/X71 (1 spare)

3 E400MMC on the X30


11 Single deckers: 97/97A - 1 spare


I like your thinking Michael. As MG has said the additional streetdeck will be a spare for all streetdeck depots, so in your thinking it will be Chester-Le-Street, Consett and Crook. Will the X31 return to Consett?, maybe the X30,X31,X70 & X71 might get the Xlines treatment with new E400s & streetdecks. Is the streetdeck available in low height to go under Dunston bridge otherwise in the event that a E400 is unavailable it’ll be a omnidekka replacement

Michael



19,143
29 May 2019, 6:56 pm #236
(29 May 2019, 6:51 pm)Stanleyone


I like your thinking Michael. As MG has said the additional streetdeck will be a spare for all streetdeck depots, so in your thinking it will be Chester-Le-Street, Consett and Crook. Will the X31 return to Consett?, maybe the X30,X31,X70 & X71 might get the Xlines treatment with new E400s & streetdecks. Is the streetdeck available in low height to go under Dunston bridge otherwise in the event that a E400 is unavailable it’ll be a omnidekka replacement




The spare Streetdeck, will be used at all Depots at some point, probables starting at Riverside and ending at Deptford - Can't see it heading to Peterlee and Saltmeadows though.


I think the Xlines could be used on the X30,X31,X70 and X71, if they get deckers.

I just hope if the Red Kite gets deckers... then the bird will be designed around the advertisement boards, they look daft with half of the bird cut off!

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 May 2019, 6:56 pm #236

(29 May 2019, 6:51 pm)Stanleyone


I like your thinking Michael. As MG has said the additional streetdeck will be a spare for all streetdeck depots, so in your thinking it will be Chester-Le-Street, Consett and Crook. Will the X31 return to Consett?, maybe the X30,X31,X70 & X71 might get the Xlines treatment with new E400s & streetdecks. Is the streetdeck available in low height to go under Dunston bridge otherwise in the event that a E400 is unavailable it’ll be a omnidekka replacement




The spare Streetdeck, will be used at all Depots at some point, probables starting at Riverside and ending at Deptford - Can't see it heading to Peterlee and Saltmeadows though.


I think the Xlines could be used on the X30,X31,X70 and X71, if they get deckers.

I just hope if the Red Kite gets deckers... then the bird will be designed around the advertisement boards, they look daft with half of the bird cut off!


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK



3,544
29 May 2019, 7:03 pm #237
Well going by the word 'initial' and also the Stanley / Consett areas being mentioned, that will presumably be the 3x E400MMCs, 16x StreetDecks (OM934) & 1x float (OM936). Then depending upon the results obtained from the E400MMC demo (incl the 3x on the X30) and the OM936 StreetDeck, the next batch using funds from this year's budget will be for the X1 either late on this year or early next year depending on what happens.

Phase 1 predictions:
- 10x + 1x spare E200MMC for 97/97A (Solars withdrawn)
- 14x + 2x spare Wright StreetDeck OM934 for 45/46/47
- 3x E400MMC for X30
- 1x float Wright StreetDeck OM936

Phase 1 cascades (Option 1):
- 8x StreetLites for 58
- 5x StreetLites for 12/12A
- 1x StreetLite Riverside spare
- 8x Versas (plus another sourced) for 93/94
- 6118-20 for 15/15A
- 6121 spare either at Hownsgill or Crook (may be temporarily at Percy Main for Coaster PVR increase)
- 8x Mercs (5x from 12/12A + 3x from 57 IF curtailed) for 6/X31

Phase 1 cascades (Option 2):
- 8x StreetLites for 6/X31
- 5x StreetLites for X70/X71 (busier boards allocated spare StreetDecks or 6121 if not required on 15/15A/45/46/47)
- 1x StreetLite spare for either Hownsgill or Riverside
- 6118-20 for 15/15A
- 6121 spare at Hownsgill
- Ex London B9TLs displaced elsewhere within fleet or moved to another Go-Ahead division
L469 YVK
29 May 2019, 7:03 pm #237

Well going by the word 'initial' and also the Stanley / Consett areas being mentioned, that will presumably be the 3x E400MMCs, 16x StreetDecks (OM934) & 1x float (OM936). Then depending upon the results obtained from the E400MMC demo (incl the 3x on the X30) and the OM936 StreetDeck, the next batch using funds from this year's budget will be for the X1 either late on this year or early next year depending on what happens.

Phase 1 predictions:
- 10x + 1x spare E200MMC for 97/97A (Solars withdrawn)
- 14x + 2x spare Wright StreetDeck OM934 for 45/46/47
- 3x E400MMC for X30
- 1x float Wright StreetDeck OM936

Phase 1 cascades (Option 1):
- 8x StreetLites for 58
- 5x StreetLites for 12/12A
- 1x StreetLite Riverside spare
- 8x Versas (plus another sourced) for 93/94
- 6118-20 for 15/15A
- 6121 spare either at Hownsgill or Crook (may be temporarily at Percy Main for Coaster PVR increase)
- 8x Mercs (5x from 12/12A + 3x from 57 IF curtailed) for 6/X31

Phase 1 cascades (Option 2):
- 8x StreetLites for 6/X31
- 5x StreetLites for X70/X71 (busier boards allocated spare StreetDecks or 6121 if not required on 15/15A/45/46/47)
- 1x StreetLite spare for either Hownsgill or Riverside
- 6118-20 for 15/15A
- 6121 spare at Hownsgill
- Ex London B9TLs displaced elsewhere within fleet or moved to another Go-Ahead division

Malarkey



6,060
29 May 2019, 9:26 pm #238

Surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of the 16/16A possibly getting upgraded to double deckers yet rather than the X70/X71 given the B9's have only been on those services 14 months.

Malarkey
29 May 2019, 9:26 pm #238

Surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of the 16/16A possibly getting upgraded to double deckers yet rather than the X70/X71 given the B9's have only been on those services 14 months.

29 May 2019, 9:49 pm #239

(29 May 2019, 9:26 pm)Malarkey

Surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of the 16/16A possibly getting upgraded to double deckers yet rather than the X70/X71 given the B9's have only been on those services 14 months.


I would have thought if they were going to be upgraded then they would get B9s off another route rather than new stock.

NewcastleOne
29 May 2019, 9:49 pm #239

(29 May 2019, 9:26 pm)Malarkey

Surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of the 16/16A possibly getting upgraded to double deckers yet rather than the X70/X71 given the B9's have only been on those services 14 months.


I would have thought if they were going to be upgraded then they would get B9s off another route rather than new stock.

30 May 2019, 2:16 am #240
The Streetdeck is available in low height form as Oxford Bus Company has a fleet of them due to the low bridge at the Railway Station.

Here is a pair of them https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...6306406476

Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
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Rapidsnap
30 May 2019, 2:16 am #240

The Streetdeck is available in low height form as Oxford Bus Company has a fleet of them due to the low bridge at the Railway Station.

Here is a pair of them https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...6306406476


Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.

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