Reversing the decline in passenger numbers
Reversing the decline in passenger numbers
(11 Oct 2022, 7:38 pm)streetdeckfan You're right, there is no point in having 3 different major operators. Because they've all colluded to carve out their own monopolies in different areas, which is against the spirit of competition. And when one does decide it wants to compete in an area, a shitshow ensues! I'm honestly surprised Arriva has done nothing about the 21 and X21 extensions yet!Arriva don't care, i pretty sure thats clear DB wants to get rid of them.
As for TikTok, it's an absolute crock of shite, and the sooner that fad disappears the better!
(11 Oct 2022, 7:38 pm)streetdeckfan You're right, there is no point in having 3 different major operators. Because they've all colluded to carve out their own monopolies in different areas, which is against the spirit of competition. And when one does decide it wants to compete in an area, a shitshow ensues! I'm honestly surprised Arriva has done nothing about the 21 and X21 extensions yet!Arriva don't care, i pretty sure thats clear DB wants to get rid of them.
As for TikTok, it's an absolute crock of shite, and the sooner that fad disappears the better!
(11 Oct 2022, 7:33 pm)Unber43 If you're going to have a multi-operator ticket, whats the point of having 3 different major bus companies.There's no region-specific advertising on TikTok. Other social media apps like Instagram can use your phone's location to show region-targeted marketing. Partially why you see GNE/Metro ads on TV and Instagram, but not TikTok, as they'd be pointless to be advertising their services to someone who lives outside the North East.
Its the same thing I rant about when GCT/JH Coaches win a contract it just puts people off, as if you're going to the Metrocentre, or Newcastle you need to buy another ticket, which is why services in Arriva territory/GNE territory/SC Territory which are contracted should be given to them. It would atleast give them a chance if the operator advertises services
I don't see why GNE/SCNE/Arriva don't use TikTok, they can just create a page and advertise services whether thats for SCNE X24, Arrivas 22/23/24 Connections, GNE X21/20/21/X45 etc
(11 Oct 2022, 7:33 pm)Unber43 If you're going to have a multi-operator ticket, whats the point of having 3 different major bus companies.There's no region-specific advertising on TikTok. Other social media apps like Instagram can use your phone's location to show region-targeted marketing. Partially why you see GNE/Metro ads on TV and Instagram, but not TikTok, as they'd be pointless to be advertising their services to someone who lives outside the North East.
Its the same thing I rant about when GCT/JH Coaches win a contract it just puts people off, as if you're going to the Metrocentre, or Newcastle you need to buy another ticket, which is why services in Arriva territory/GNE territory/SC Territory which are contracted should be given to them. It would atleast give them a chance if the operator advertises services
I don't see why GNE/SCNE/Arriva don't use TikTok, they can just create a page and advertise services whether thats for SCNE X24, Arrivas 22/23/24 Connections, GNE X21/20/21/X45 etc
What's the point of 8 major supermarkets and lots of other little ones when they all sell baked beans, bread and milk?
(11 Oct 2022, 10:41 pm)BusLoverMum What's the point of 8 major supermarkets and lots of other little ones when they all sell baked beans, bread and milk?Imagine if the 8 major supermarkets agreed not to open stores in each others territory, so if you lived in Gateshead you had no choice but to shop at Asda, or if you lived in Durham you had to shop at Sainsbury's.
(11 Oct 2022, 10:41 pm)BusLoverMum What's the point of 8 major supermarkets and lots of other little ones when they all sell baked beans, bread and milk?Imagine if the 8 major supermarkets agreed not to open stores in each others territory, so if you lived in Gateshead you had no choice but to shop at Asda, or if you lived in Durham you had to shop at Sainsbury's.
(11 Oct 2022, 11:07 pm)streetdeckfan Imagine if the 8 major supermarkets agreed not to open stores in each others territory, so if you lived in Gateshead you had no choice but to shop at Asda, or if you lived in Durham you had to shop at Sainsbury's.
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(11 Oct 2022, 11:07 pm)streetdeckfan Imagine if the 8 major supermarkets agreed not to open stores in each others territory, so if you lived in Gateshead you had no choice but to shop at Asda, or if you lived in Durham you had to shop at Sainsbury's.
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(11 Oct 2022, 7:38 pm)streetdeckfan You're right, there is no point in having 3 different major operators. Because they've all colluded to carve out their own monopolies in different areas, which is against the spirit of competition. And when one does decide it wants to compete in an area, a shitshow ensues! I'm honestly surprised Arriva has done nothing about the 21 and X21 extensions yet!
(11 Oct 2022, 7:38 pm)streetdeckfan You're right, there is no point in having 3 different major operators. Because they've all colluded to carve out their own monopolies in different areas, which is against the spirit of competition. And when one does decide it wants to compete in an area, a shitshow ensues! I'm honestly surprised Arriva has done nothing about the 21 and X21 extensions yet!
(12 Oct 2022, 7:18 am)Rob44 exactly this.
How many times has a NIS bus drove past your bus stop? Or entered eldon sq or DCC bus station and pulled out NIS. Wouldnt do this if they had competition on the route who would pick up your ££££
(12 Oct 2022, 7:18 am)Rob44 exactly this.
How many times has a NIS bus drove past your bus stop? Or entered eldon sq or DCC bus station and pulled out NIS. Wouldnt do this if they had competition on the route who would pick up your ££££
We're essentially talking a North East oyster (which seems beyond the capability of nexus) or franchising to solve it.
The latter seems more likely though with the current economic climate I can't see the govt rushing to hand out too many more subsidies for metro mayor areas
(12 Oct 2022, 10:13 am)Ambassador We're essentially talking a North East oyster (which seems beyond the capability of nexus) or franchising to solve it.Surely all we need for that is tap-on-tap-off facilities on buses that use the POP card? (Can you use the pop card in that fashion on the buses that do have that facility?)
The latter seems more likely though with the current economic climate I can't see the govt rushing to hand out too many more subsidies for metro mayor areas
(12 Oct 2022, 10:13 am)Ambassador We're essentially talking a North East oyster (which seems beyond the capability of nexus) or franchising to solve it.Surely all we need for that is tap-on-tap-off facilities on buses that use the POP card? (Can you use the pop card in that fashion on the buses that do have that facility?)
The latter seems more likely though with the current economic climate I can't see the govt rushing to hand out too many more subsidies for metro mayor areas
(12 Oct 2022, 7:18 am)Rob44 exactly this.
How many times has a NIS bus drove past your bus stop? Or entered eldon sq or DCC bus station and pulled out NIS. Wouldnt do this if they had competition on the route who would pick up your ££££
(12 Oct 2022, 7:18 am)Rob44 exactly this.
How many times has a NIS bus drove past your bus stop? Or entered eldon sq or DCC bus station and pulled out NIS. Wouldnt do this if they had competition on the route who would pick up your ££££
(12 Oct 2022, 7:21 am)Storx Catch 22 is there's not enough money to go around for competition so if you had multiple companies doing one route then other marginal services will suffer which are currently propped up by them.Quite. If Tesco Extra and the big Sainsbury's had stores next to each other in Durham, neither would do quite as well as they currently do at Dragonville and Arnison, respectively. (aldi and lidl are a different matter, tit for tat opening stores next to each other!)
You just have to look at North Tyneside where there's 15 buses an hour or whatever it is now on the Coast Road. Go off the Coast Road and it's a skeleton service at best. It's the same down in Birtley aswell.
Pricing and lack of interworking tickets is the biggest issue in the North East. Eradicate that issue then who operates the buses is just irrelevant.
(12 Oct 2022, 7:21 am)Storx Catch 22 is there's not enough money to go around for competition so if you had multiple companies doing one route then other marginal services will suffer which are currently propped up by them.Quite. If Tesco Extra and the big Sainsbury's had stores next to each other in Durham, neither would do quite as well as they currently do at Dragonville and Arnison, respectively. (aldi and lidl are a different matter, tit for tat opening stores next to each other!)
You just have to look at North Tyneside where there's 15 buses an hour or whatever it is now on the Coast Road. Go off the Coast Road and it's a skeleton service at best. It's the same down in Birtley aswell.
Pricing and lack of interworking tickets is the biggest issue in the North East. Eradicate that issue then who operates the buses is just irrelevant.
Is there a recommended distance streets and houses should be from a bus stop?
(07 Nov 2022, 8:48 am)nova347 One thing I will say over the past month or two every 60 I've got on has been really busy so it doesn't help they're every 15 minutes. Like these days its rare to get on a 60 with more than 3/4 rows of seats free.
(07 Nov 2022, 8:48 am)nova347 One thing I will say over the past month or two every 60 I've got on has been really busy so it doesn't help they're every 15 minutes. Like these days its rare to get on a 60 with more than 3/4 rows of seats free.
My opinion of reducing frequency is that it pushes peoples away e.g X45 Thats been reduced from every 15 mins to every 30 mins in a few months, thats double the wait for most people who use the service, aswell as the hourly service to consett on an evening and the last one 20:00.
As long as routes 20/60/X45/47 make money keep the frequency. Every 30 mins to consett was a nice frequency to have with the 47, but now a lot of the journeys start and finish at Blackhall Mill.
Keep the frequency the more likely they are to use it. The X45/30/31 are suffering awful delays at the moment, after a frequency cut has just hurt anyone who uses the service, there must be 3-4 X45/30/31 cancelled due to delayed operation.
Keep it at its post covid frequency but before the cuts for driver shortage imo.
(07 Nov 2022, 5:58 pm)Unber43 My opinion of reducing frequency is that it pushes peoples away e.g X45 Thats been reduced from every 15 mins to every 30 mins in a few months, thats double the wait for most people who use the service, aswell as the hourly service to consett on an evening and the last one 20:00.
As long as routes 20/60/X45/47 make money keep the frequency. Every 30 mins to consett was a nice frequency to have with the 47, but now a lot of the journeys start and finish at Blackhall Mill.
Keep the frequency the more likely they are to use it. The X45/30/31 are suffering awful delays at the moment, after a frequency cut has just hurt anyone who uses the service, there must be 3-4 X45/30/31 cancelled due to delayed operation.
Keep it at its post covid frequency but before the cuts for driver shortage imo.
(07 Nov 2022, 5:58 pm)Unber43 My opinion of reducing frequency is that it pushes peoples away e.g X45 Thats been reduced from every 15 mins to every 30 mins in a few months, thats double the wait for most people who use the service, aswell as the hourly service to consett on an evening and the last one 20:00.
As long as routes 20/60/X45/47 make money keep the frequency. Every 30 mins to consett was a nice frequency to have with the 47, but now a lot of the journeys start and finish at Blackhall Mill.
Keep the frequency the more likely they are to use it. The X45/30/31 are suffering awful delays at the moment, after a frequency cut has just hurt anyone who uses the service, there must be 3-4 X45/30/31 cancelled due to delayed operation.
Keep it at its post covid frequency but before the cuts for driver shortage imo.
When I was out on Friday I saw that there was several new housing estates being built one at Blackhall Mill, one near Newcastle Business Park (on 12 route), and I just wondered those routes are in GNE territory very minor changes would have to be made to incorporate these into the network, has GNE done any leaflet drops or anything or any surveys to ask where they want to go
