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Malarkey



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04 Apr 2019, 5:29 pm #21
(04 Apr 2019, 5:04 pm)Andreos1 To be honest, even when it was United and Northumbria, they had older stock kicking around well after other operators got rid of vehicles of a similar status/age.

Guessing its just how they do things. They certainly like getting their moneys worth!

But back in the days of United and Northumbria the vehicles they had back then the likes of the National's and ECW Olympians were built to last though. 

Look at some the vehicles up here in the North East which have since been preserved, most of them despite their age are in way better nick than the vast majority of vehicles in the current fleet at Arriva.
Malarkey
04 Apr 2019, 5:29 pm #21

(04 Apr 2019, 5:04 pm)Andreos1 To be honest, even when it was United and Northumbria, they had older stock kicking around well after other operators got rid of vehicles of a similar status/age.

Guessing its just how they do things. They certainly like getting their moneys worth!

But back in the days of United and Northumbria the vehicles they had back then the likes of the National's and ECW Olympians were built to last though. 

Look at some the vehicles up here in the North East which have since been preserved, most of them despite their age are in way better nick than the vast majority of vehicles in the current fleet at Arriva.

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04 Apr 2019, 5:30 pm #22
(04 Apr 2019, 5:29 pm)Malarkey But back in the days of United and Northumbria the vehicles they had back then the likes of the National's and ECW Olympians were built to last though. 

Look at some the vehicles up here in the North East which have since been preserved, most of them despite their age are in way better nick than the vast majority of vehicles in the current fleet at Arriva.

Regardless of the differences in build quality to then yonder and now, operators will plan to depreciate their assets over a certain number of years.

Keeping them any longer, either due to a financial need or because they didn't "need" to replace them, is just a bonus.
Dan
04 Apr 2019, 5:30 pm #22

(04 Apr 2019, 5:29 pm)Malarkey But back in the days of United and Northumbria the vehicles they had back then the likes of the National's and ECW Olympians were built to last though. 

Look at some the vehicles up here in the North East which have since been preserved, most of them despite their age are in way better nick than the vast majority of vehicles in the current fleet at Arriva.

Regardless of the differences in build quality to then yonder and now, operators will plan to depreciate their assets over a certain number of years.

Keeping them any longer, either due to a financial need or because they didn't "need" to replace them, is just a bonus.

Jimmi

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04 Apr 2019, 5:43 pm #23
(04 Apr 2019, 4:41 pm)Malarkey Even some of them with eldest being 11 years old are not in great condition either and would've again thought Arriva would be looking to replace these within the next year.

To my knowledge a mini bus has a shell life of around 12 years from what I remember Dan mentioning quite a while back.

The entire fleet across the country needs a massive overhaul by the sounds of it which will be a massive task for anyone who is looking to purchase Arriva given that they are up for sale.
Some of the Solos actually ain't performing too badly from my experiences of them, most don't sound owt fantastic but generally ain't doing too badly.

Just wish they would freshen them up a bit, seats look well worn and some are crying out for repaints (same goes for the MPDs).
Edited 04 Apr 2019, 5:44 pm by Jimmi.
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Jimmi
04 Apr 2019, 5:43 pm #23

(04 Apr 2019, 4:41 pm)Malarkey Even some of them with eldest being 11 years old are not in great condition either and would've again thought Arriva would be looking to replace these within the next year.

To my knowledge a mini bus has a shell life of around 12 years from what I remember Dan mentioning quite a while back.

The entire fleet across the country needs a massive overhaul by the sounds of it which will be a massive task for anyone who is looking to purchase Arriva given that they are up for sale.
Some of the Solos actually ain't performing too badly from my experiences of them, most don't sound owt fantastic but generally ain't doing too badly.

Just wish they would freshen them up a bit, seats look well worn and some are crying out for repaints (same goes for the MPDs).

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Malarkey



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04 Apr 2019, 7:46 pm #24
(04 Apr 2019, 5:30 pm)Dan Regardless of the differences in build quality to then yonder and now, operators will plan to depreciate their assets over a certain number of years.

Keeping them any longer, either due to a financial need or because they didn't "need" to replace them, is just a bonus.

But it isn't a bonus from a passenger perspective if the ride quality and the interior of the vehicle is below standard due to years of wear and tear which the operator has done nothing about, I dread to think what a ride on a 19 year old Wright Cadet would be like.

Atleast with Go North East they have a program in place where vehicles get repainted every 4 years and are treated to a midlife refurbishment and then withdrawn once there past there shell life, compare that to Arriva who have just sent 1760 to Thorntons for it's first ever repaint after 14 years in active service.
Malarkey
04 Apr 2019, 7:46 pm #24

(04 Apr 2019, 5:30 pm)Dan Regardless of the differences in build quality to then yonder and now, operators will plan to depreciate their assets over a certain number of years.

Keeping them any longer, either due to a financial need or because they didn't "need" to replace them, is just a bonus.

But it isn't a bonus from a passenger perspective if the ride quality and the interior of the vehicle is below standard due to years of wear and tear which the operator has done nothing about, I dread to think what a ride on a 19 year old Wright Cadet would be like.

Atleast with Go North East they have a program in place where vehicles get repainted every 4 years and are treated to a midlife refurbishment and then withdrawn once there past there shell life, compare that to Arriva who have just sent 1760 to Thorntons for it's first ever repaint after 14 years in active service.

omnicity4659

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05 Apr 2019, 6:00 pm #25
(04 Apr 2019, 7:46 pm)Malarkey But it isn't a bonus from a passenger perspective if the ride quality and the interior of the vehicle is below standard due to years of wear and tear which the operator has done nothing about, I dread to think what a ride on a 19 year old Wright Cadet would be like.

As someone who regularly uses Arriva's midibus network in South East Northumberland, I can't say I've had an issue with the quality of the interiors. Yes, it would be nice to see a retrim, but that's all they need, as well as a repaint, to be honest.

As for the Cadets, they were refurbished a few years back so are in good nick...
omnicity4659
05 Apr 2019, 6:00 pm #25

(04 Apr 2019, 7:46 pm)Malarkey But it isn't a bonus from a passenger perspective if the ride quality and the interior of the vehicle is below standard due to years of wear and tear which the operator has done nothing about, I dread to think what a ride on a 19 year old Wright Cadet would be like.

As someone who regularly uses Arriva's midibus network in South East Northumberland, I can't say I've had an issue with the quality of the interiors. Yes, it would be nice to see a retrim, but that's all they need, as well as a repaint, to be honest.

As for the Cadets, they were refurbished a few years back so are in good nick...

GNE6312



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05 Apr 2019, 6:11 pm #26
Afew questions:
1. Has the X12 got any centro boards?if so when does it get to Newcastle?
2. What are the ex yorkshire E200s allocated to
3. What are the centros allocated to
Thank you in advance
GNE6312
05 Apr 2019, 6:11 pm #26

Afew questions:
1. Has the X12 got any centro boards?if so when does it get to Newcastle?
2. What are the ex yorkshire E200s allocated to
3. What are the centros allocated to
Thank you in advance

S830OFT



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05 Apr 2019, 6:14 pm #27
(05 Apr 2019, 6:11 pm)GNE6312 Afew questions:
1. Has the X12 got any centro boards?if so when does it get to Newcastle?
2. What are the ex yorkshire E200s allocated to
3. What are the centros allocated to
Thank you in advance

The Centros are allocated to a variety of services...
The E200s are usually found on the 56/57/A/64


S830OFT
05 Apr 2019, 6:14 pm #27

(05 Apr 2019, 6:11 pm)GNE6312 Afew questions:
1. Has the X12 got any centro boards?if so when does it get to Newcastle?
2. What are the ex yorkshire E200s allocated to
3. What are the centros allocated to
Thank you in advance

The Centros are allocated to a variety of services...
The E200s are usually found on the 56/57/A/64


S830OFT



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05 Apr 2019, 6:35 pm #28
Are the '35' branded StreetLites ever allocated to the 35? Because when I see them they are either on the 57/A, or the short X14.


S830OFT
05 Apr 2019, 6:35 pm #28

Are the '35' branded StreetLites ever allocated to the 35? Because when I see them they are either on the 57/A, or the short X14.


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05 Apr 2019, 6:39 pm #29
(05 Apr 2019, 6:35 pm)S830OFT Are the '35' branded StreetLites ever allocated to the 35? Because when I see them they are either on the 57/A, or the short X14.

Yeah, they are. If they're on 57s they'll be covering for a Solo on board which runs onto Nexus runs, and X14s if there's a deficit of suitable deckers/OmniCitys. But most of the time they're on the 35...
omnicity4659
05 Apr 2019, 6:39 pm #29

(05 Apr 2019, 6:35 pm)S830OFT Are the '35' branded StreetLites ever allocated to the 35? Because when I see them they are either on the 57/A, or the short X14.

Yeah, they are. If they're on 57s they'll be covering for a Solo on board which runs onto Nexus runs, and X14s if there's a deficit of suitable deckers/OmniCitys. But most of the time they're on the 35...

BusLoverMum



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05 Apr 2019, 6:47 pm #30
(04 Apr 2019, 7:24 am)S813 FVK 1331 is the bus to gain Adventure Valley branding for the 62:
https://twitter.com/simongarbutt1/status...41258?s=21

I'm sure they'll even manage to allocate it to the 62 at least once a month.
BusLoverMum
05 Apr 2019, 6:47 pm #30

(04 Apr 2019, 7:24 am)S813 FVK 1331 is the bus to gain Adventure Valley branding for the 62:
https://twitter.com/simongarbutt1/status...41258?s=21

I'm sure they'll even manage to allocate it to the 62 at least once a month.

S830OFT



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05 Apr 2019, 6:58 pm #31
(05 Apr 2019, 6:39 pm)omnicity4659 Yeah, they are. If they're on 57s they'll be covering for a Solo on board which runs onto Nexus runs, and X14s if there's a deficit of suitable deckers/OmniCitys. But most of the time they're on the 35...

It would be easier swapping 1579/1580 with 1512/1513 from Jesmond, atleast they can be appropriate spares for the X21/X22.


S830OFT
05 Apr 2019, 6:58 pm #31

(05 Apr 2019, 6:39 pm)omnicity4659 Yeah, they are. If they're on 57s they'll be covering for a Solo on board which runs onto Nexus runs, and X14s if there's a deficit of suitable deckers/OmniCitys. But most of the time they're on the 35...

It would be easier swapping 1579/1580 with 1512/1513 from Jesmond, atleast they can be appropriate spares for the X21/X22.


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05 Apr 2019, 7:02 pm #32
(05 Apr 2019, 6:58 pm)S830OFT It would be easier swapping 1579/1580 with 1512/1513 from Jesmond, atleast they can be appropriate spares for the X21/X22.

Only use StreetLites on Sapphires in an emergency, as even the deckers can't handle peak loadings now. Better off keeping the Pulsars at Jesmond...
omnicity4659
05 Apr 2019, 7:02 pm #32

(05 Apr 2019, 6:58 pm)S830OFT It would be easier swapping 1579/1580 with 1512/1513 from Jesmond, atleast they can be appropriate spares for the X21/X22.

Only use StreetLites on Sapphires in an emergency, as even the deckers can't handle peak loadings now. Better off keeping the Pulsars at Jesmond...

S830OFT



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05 Apr 2019, 7:05 pm #33
With 12x ADL E400s now confirmed as to going to Belmont from Yorkshire is it likely the following will take place...
7416 - 7419 - Jesmond replacing 7410/7413 - 7415.
7420 - 7422 - Blyth replacing 7411/7485/7487.
7423/7427 - Ashington replacing 7484/7486
7453 - 7455 - Jesmond replacing 3x Geminis on School Contracts.


S830OFT
05 Apr 2019, 7:05 pm #33

With 12x ADL E400s now confirmed as to going to Belmont from Yorkshire is it likely the following will take place...
7416 - 7419 - Jesmond replacing 7410/7413 - 7415.
7420 - 7422 - Blyth replacing 7411/7485/7487.
7423/7427 - Ashington replacing 7484/7486
7453 - 7455 - Jesmond replacing 3x Geminis on School Contracts.


tyresmoke



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05 Apr 2019, 7:57 pm #34
Stockton’s Centros are generally found on service 7 (SB120) and X12 or X22 (SB200)

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tyresmoke
05 Apr 2019, 7:57 pm #34

Stockton’s Centros are generally found on service 7 (SB120) and X12 or X22 (SB200)

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GNE6312



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05 Apr 2019, 8:31 pm #35
(05 Apr 2019, 7:05 pm)S830OFT With 12x ADL E400s now confirmed as to going to Belmont from Yorkshire is it likely the following will take place...
7416 - 7419 - Jesmond replacing 7410/7413 - 7415.
7420 - 7422 - Blyth replacing 7411/7485/7487.
7423/7427 - Ashington replacing 7484/7486
7453 - 7455 - Jesmond replacing 3x Geminis on School Contracts.

Would prefer the lowlanders at blyth as they are better than any other bus at blyth hence why 7456 was the best bus at blyth when it was there would have preferred blyth keeping that and giving belmont 7411 in trade for 7620 with 3 ALXs being put in a plain max base livery for the scholars
Edited 05 Apr 2019, 8:33 pm by GNE6312.
GNE6312
05 Apr 2019, 8:31 pm #35

(05 Apr 2019, 7:05 pm)S830OFT With 12x ADL E400s now confirmed as to going to Belmont from Yorkshire is it likely the following will take place...
7416 - 7419 - Jesmond replacing 7410/7413 - 7415.
7420 - 7422 - Blyth replacing 7411/7485/7487.
7423/7427 - Ashington replacing 7484/7486
7453 - 7455 - Jesmond replacing 3x Geminis on School Contracts.

Would prefer the lowlanders at blyth as they are better than any other bus at blyth hence why 7456 was the best bus at blyth when it was there would have preferred blyth keeping that and giving belmont 7411 in trade for 7620 with 3 ALXs being put in a plain max base livery for the scholars

NewcastleOne



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05 Apr 2019, 8:51 pm #36
(05 Apr 2019, 7:05 pm)S830OFT With 12x ADL E400s now confirmed as to going to Belmont from Yorkshire is it likely the following will take place...
7416 - 7419 - Jesmond replacing 7410/7413 - 7415.
7420 - 7422 - Blyth replacing 7411/7485/7487.
7423/7427 - Ashington replacing 7484/7486
7453 - 7455 - Jesmond replacing 3x Geminis on School Contracts.

Where have you heard this? I’m not judging i believe you it’s just I’m keen who this source is?
NewcastleOne
05 Apr 2019, 8:51 pm #36

(05 Apr 2019, 7:05 pm)S830OFT With 12x ADL E400s now confirmed as to going to Belmont from Yorkshire is it likely the following will take place...
7416 - 7419 - Jesmond replacing 7410/7413 - 7415.
7420 - 7422 - Blyth replacing 7411/7485/7487.
7423/7427 - Ashington replacing 7484/7486
7453 - 7455 - Jesmond replacing 3x Geminis on School Contracts.

Where have you heard this? I’m not judging i believe you it’s just I’m keen who this source is?

S830OFT



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05 Apr 2019, 8:55 pm #37
(05 Apr 2019, 8:51 pm)NewcastleOne Where have you heard this? I’m not judging i believe you it’s just I’m keen who this source is?

One of the Yorkshire Forums I believe...


S830OFT
05 Apr 2019, 8:55 pm #37

(05 Apr 2019, 8:51 pm)NewcastleOne Where have you heard this? I’m not judging i believe you it’s just I’m keen who this source is?

One of the Yorkshire Forums I believe...


Ryland



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06 Apr 2019, 11:48 am #38
There been a lot of temsa avenues on the sapphire x3/4 recently any ideas why ?
Ryland
06 Apr 2019, 11:48 am #38

There been a lot of temsa avenues on the sapphire x3/4 recently any ideas why ?

Dans_bus_photos



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06 Apr 2019, 11:57 am #39
(06 Apr 2019, 11:48 am)Ryland There been a lot of temsa  avenues on the sapphire x3/4 recently any ideas why ?

I seen 1566 in Sunderland about 7am this morning driving down Durham Road towards the city centre
Dans_bus_photos
06 Apr 2019, 11:57 am #39

(06 Apr 2019, 11:48 am)Ryland There been a lot of temsa  avenues on the sapphire x3/4 recently any ideas why ?

I seen 1566 in Sunderland about 7am this morning driving down Durham Road towards the city centre

omnicity4659

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06 Apr 2019, 2:11 pm #40
1766 has been involved in a serious RTC in Ashington earlier. Van has gone into the back of it at some speed, causing some injuries to passengers on board.
omnicity4659
06 Apr 2019, 2:11 pm #40

1766 has been involved in a serious RTC in Ashington earlier. Van has gone into the back of it at some speed, causing some injuries to passengers on board.

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