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Andreos1



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11 Aug 2016, 8:11 pm #701
(11 Aug 2016, 7:56 pm)South Tyne Lad It was reported by Enthusiast's on the WCML at the Time of the Pendolinos entering service that Virgin ran the 86/87 and 90s + MK2/3s into the ground deliberately to get the Pendolino's more publicity, Really wouldn't be surprised if there doing a similar move here too, Considering all the fake/changed press articles released by them around the launch of the " Azuma's "

I'd never heard that rumour about stock on the WCML.

They're not getting rid of all the stock on the ECML though. Pretty sure they're keeping all of the Class 91's - regardless of the internal refurbishment programme that is ongoing at the moment on both classes.

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Andreos1
11 Aug 2016, 8:11 pm #701

(11 Aug 2016, 7:56 pm)South Tyne Lad It was reported by Enthusiast's on the WCML at the Time of the Pendolinos entering service that Virgin ran the 86/87 and 90s + MK2/3s into the ground deliberately to get the Pendolino's more publicity, Really wouldn't be surprised if there doing a similar move here too, Considering all the fake/changed press articles released by them around the launch of the " Azuma's "

I'd never heard that rumour about stock on the WCML.

They're not getting rid of all the stock on the ECML though. Pretty sure they're keeping all of the Class 91's - regardless of the internal refurbishment programme that is ongoing at the moment on both classes.


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11 Aug 2016, 8:30 pm #702
(11 Aug 2016, 8:11 pm)Andreos1 I'd never heard that rumour about stock on the WCML.

They're not getting rid of all the stock on the ECML though. Pretty sure they're keeping all of the Class 91's - regardless of the internal refurbishment programme that is ongoing at the moment on both classes.

Its on RailUkForums somewhere.

Not keeping all, Just a few I believe. Unless plans have changed.

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South Tyne Lad
11 Aug 2016, 8:30 pm #702

(11 Aug 2016, 8:11 pm)Andreos1 I'd never heard that rumour about stock on the WCML.

They're not getting rid of all the stock on the ECML though. Pretty sure they're keeping all of the Class 91's - regardless of the internal refurbishment programme that is ongoing at the moment on both classes.

Its on RailUkForums somewhere.

Not keeping all, Just a few I believe. Unless plans have changed.


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11 Aug 2016, 8:40 pm #703
(11 Aug 2016, 8:30 pm)South Tyne Lad Its on RailUkForums somewhere.

Not keeping all, Just a few I believe. Unless plans have changed.

Last I heard, was that they were all staying. No idea how accurate that is.
Have you heard where the 91's are supposed to be going (if VTEC aren't keeping them)?

There are 65 Class 800/801's being built for use on the ECML (23 that are dual-mode with 10 that are five-car sets)
According to wiki, there are 16 Class 43 sets and 31 Class 91's allocated to VTEC currently.

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Andreos1
11 Aug 2016, 8:40 pm #703

(11 Aug 2016, 8:30 pm)South Tyne Lad Its on RailUkForums somewhere.

Not keeping all, Just a few I believe. Unless plans have changed.

Last I heard, was that they were all staying. No idea how accurate that is.
Have you heard where the 91's are supposed to be going (if VTEC aren't keeping them)?

There are 65 Class 800/801's being built for use on the ECML (23 that are dual-mode with 10 that are five-car sets)
According to wiki, there are 16 Class 43 sets and 31 Class 91's allocated to VTEC currently.


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11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm #704
(11 Aug 2016, 8:40 pm)Andreos1 Last I heard, was that they were all staying. No idea how accurate that is.
Have you heard where the 91's are supposed to be going (if VTEC aren't keeping them)?

There are 65 Class 800/801's being built for use on the ECML (23 that are dual-mode with 10 that are five-car sets)
According to wiki, there are 16 Class 43 sets and 31 Class 91's allocated to VTEC currently.


The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.

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South Tyne Lad
11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm #704

(11 Aug 2016, 8:40 pm)Andreos1 Last I heard, was that they were all staying. No idea how accurate that is.
Have you heard where the 91's are supposed to be going (if VTEC aren't keeping them)?

There are 65 Class 800/801's being built for use on the ECML (23 that are dual-mode with 10 that are five-car sets)
According to wiki, there are 16 Class 43 sets and 31 Class 91's allocated to VTEC currently.


The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.


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8222



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11 Aug 2016, 9:09 pm #705
(11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm)South Tyne Lad The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.

But aren't Arbellio buying FLIRT units for the GEML?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/passe...chise.html
Edited 11 Aug 2016, 9:10 pm by 8222.

Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A330-300, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

8222
11 Aug 2016, 9:09 pm #705

(11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm)South Tyne Lad The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.

But aren't Arbellio buying FLIRT units for the GEML?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/passe...chise.html


Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A330-300, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

Andreos1



14,155
12 Aug 2016, 7:42 am #706
(11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm)South Tyne Lad The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.
Whilst operating on a slower line, is probably better than seeing them rot somewhere, I can't help feeling they would be wasted on the GEML.

(11 Aug 2016, 9:09 pm)8222 But aren't Arbellio buying FLIRT units for the GEML?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/passe...chise.html

Which then results in more stock becoming surplus...

Ironic the older, diesel powered 43's are living on. Whilst the younger electric powered loco's have an uncertain future.

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Andreos1
12 Aug 2016, 7:42 am #706

(11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm)South Tyne Lad The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.
Whilst operating on a slower line, is probably better than seeing them rot somewhere, I can't help feeling they would be wasted on the GEML.

(11 Aug 2016, 9:09 pm)8222 But aren't Arbellio buying FLIRT units for the GEML?

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/passe...chise.html

Which then results in more stock becoming surplus...

Ironic the older, diesel powered 43's are living on. Whilst the younger electric powered loco's have an uncertain future.


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Andreos1



14,155
12 Aug 2016, 11:35 am #707
50% off seat sale announced the same day as RMT announce 3 24hr strikes.

Coincidence or not? Angel

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Andreos1
12 Aug 2016, 11:35 am #707

50% off seat sale announced the same day as RMT announce 3 24hr strikes.

Coincidence or not? Angel


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12 Aug 2016, 2:10 pm #708
(12 Aug 2016, 11:35 am)Andreos1 50% off seat sale announced the same day as RMT announce 3 24hr strikes.

Coincidence or not? Angel

No. I've known about the seat sale for a few days after reading about it on the Nectar app.

(11 Aug 2016, 8:30 pm)South Tyne Lad Its on RailUkForums somewhere.

Not keeping all, Just a few I believe. Unless plans have changed.

Probably tripe then. Don't believe anything you hear platform end or that you've seen on the internet unless from an official source!

You can't "run locos into the ground". They may fail more when you don't carry out planned preventative maintenance but to not do that for the sake of making your new stock look better is absolute madness. Why you would ruin your business and put off customers for the sake of that is stupid too.

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northern156
12 Aug 2016, 2:10 pm #708

(12 Aug 2016, 11:35 am)Andreos1 50% off seat sale announced the same day as RMT announce 3 24hr strikes.

Coincidence or not? Angel

No. I've known about the seat sale for a few days after reading about it on the Nectar app.

(11 Aug 2016, 8:30 pm)South Tyne Lad Its on RailUkForums somewhere.

Not keeping all, Just a few I believe. Unless plans have changed.

Probably tripe then. Don't believe anything you hear platform end or that you've seen on the internet unless from an official source!

You can't "run locos into the ground". They may fail more when you don't carry out planned preventative maintenance but to not do that for the sake of making your new stock look better is absolute madness. Why you would ruin your business and put off customers for the sake of that is stupid too.


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12 Aug 2016, 7:59 pm #709
(11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm)South Tyne Lad The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.

I reckon the same as the 86s and 87s, Bulgaria
NK53 TKT
12 Aug 2016, 7:59 pm #709

(11 Aug 2016, 8:54 pm)South Tyne Lad The ones that aren't staying are meant to be returned to the lessor I believe, There was also speculation of the displaced ones going onto the GEML Services to Norwich, Replacing the Class 90s and MK3s.

I reckon the same as the 86s and 87s, Bulgaria

13 Aug 2016, 2:00 pm #710
(12 Aug 2016, 7:59 pm)NK53 TKT I reckon the same as the 86s and 87s, Bulgaria

Earmarked for MML once it gets electrified with a few staying on ECML alongside 800/1s but with 5 Mk4s behind to keep up with performance.

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13 Aug 2016, 2:00 pm #710

(12 Aug 2016, 7:59 pm)NK53 TKT I reckon the same as the 86s and 87s, Bulgaria

Earmarked for MML once it gets electrified with a few staying on ECML alongside 800/1s but with 5 Mk4s behind to keep up with performance.


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Adrian



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13 Aug 2016, 3:24 pm #711
(11 Aug 2016, 6:49 pm)Andreos1 Even the most savvy financial director will have financed that in to any contract/bid...

Forecasts will have been planned both on income and expenditure, in addition to passenger numbers way back when they went for the contract - regardless of any new rolling stock.

New rolling stock, will (or should have), been factored in to that bid. It hasn't just sneaked up on them.

Aye. They know exactly what they're bidding for, as it's all in the tender documentation and then again in the contract they sign. The problem is that a lot of companies, as they're competing to be the most economically advantageous (or cheapest!), will pitch at a loss. They will instead forecast to make a profit through incentives offered in the contract. 

I've absolutely no sympathy for them.

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Adrian
13 Aug 2016, 3:24 pm #711

(11 Aug 2016, 6:49 pm)Andreos1 Even the most savvy financial director will have financed that in to any contract/bid...

Forecasts will have been planned both on income and expenditure, in addition to passenger numbers way back when they went for the contract - regardless of any new rolling stock.

New rolling stock, will (or should have), been factored in to that bid. It hasn't just sneaked up on them.

Aye. They know exactly what they're bidding for, as it's all in the tender documentation and then again in the contract they sign. The problem is that a lot of companies, as they're competing to be the most economically advantageous (or cheapest!), will pitch at a loss. They will instead forecast to make a profit through incentives offered in the contract. 

I've absolutely no sympathy for them.


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Andreos1



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15 Aug 2016, 6:52 pm #712
(13 Aug 2016, 3:24 pm)Adrian Aye. They know exactly what they're bidding for, as it's all in the tender documentation and then again in the contract they sign. The problem is that a lot of companies, as they're competing to be the most economically advantageous (or cheapest!), will pitch at a loss. They will instead forecast to make a profit through incentives offered in the contract. 

I've absolutely no sympathy for them.
I have had sight of internal documents (for the attention of VTEC staff) in relation to the strike.

Very interesting reading!

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Andreos1
15 Aug 2016, 6:52 pm #712

(13 Aug 2016, 3:24 pm)Adrian Aye. They know exactly what they're bidding for, as it's all in the tender documentation and then again in the contract they sign. The problem is that a lot of companies, as they're competing to be the most economically advantageous (or cheapest!), will pitch at a loss. They will instead forecast to make a profit through incentives offered in the contract. 

I've absolutely no sympathy for them.
I have had sight of internal documents (for the attention of VTEC staff) in relation to the strike.

Very interesting reading!


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8222



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16 Aug 2016, 8:43 am #713
(15 Aug 2016, 6:52 pm)Andreos1 I have had sight of internal documents (for the attention of VTEC staff) in relation to the strike.

Very interesting reading!

Oh good god, in what respect? I really hope this all gets sorted out. As for the time being, it looks like my commutes will be happening on Grand Central just in case.

Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A330-300, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

8222
16 Aug 2016, 8:43 am #713

(15 Aug 2016, 6:52 pm)Andreos1 I have had sight of internal documents (for the attention of VTEC staff) in relation to the strike.

Very interesting reading!

Oh good god, in what respect? I really hope this all gets sorted out. As for the time being, it looks like my commutes will be happening on Grand Central just in case.


Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A330-300, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

Andreos1



14,155
16 Aug 2016, 10:14 am #714
(16 Aug 2016, 8:43 am)8222 Oh good god, in what respect? I really hope this all gets sorted out. As for the time being, it looks like my commutes will be happening on Grand Central just in case.

I have stuff booked and will be using other toc's for the time being. Not using VTEC during the dispute.

The documents are aimed at staff and are communicating 'facts' to them in the run up to the strike and the options that are available to them going forward.

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Andreos1
16 Aug 2016, 10:14 am #714

(16 Aug 2016, 8:43 am)8222 Oh good god, in what respect? I really hope this all gets sorted out. As for the time being, it looks like my commutes will be happening on Grand Central just in case.

I have stuff booked and will be using other toc's for the time being. Not using VTEC during the dispute.

The documents are aimed at staff and are communicating 'facts' to them in the run up to the strike and the options that are available to them going forward.


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8222



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16 Aug 2016, 10:51 am #715
I think this will all be very much harming Sir Richard's Virgin brand even though he has a 10% hold of VTEC. I really do think it will destroy the franchise is many strikes go ahead. Time will only tell what will happen. I'm just hoping that it gets solved soon. It was quite interesting chatting with a first class host the other day. She was saying she isn't striking, and wouldn't even if she wanted to, because ultimately it's money she can't afford to lose.

Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A330-300, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

8222
16 Aug 2016, 10:51 am #715

I think this will all be very much harming Sir Richard's Virgin brand even though he has a 10% hold of VTEC. I really do think it will destroy the franchise is many strikes go ahead. Time will only tell what will happen. I'm just hoping that it gets solved soon. It was quite interesting chatting with a first class host the other day. She was saying she isn't striking, and wouldn't even if she wanted to, because ultimately it's money she can't afford to lose.


Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A330-300, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

Andreos1



14,155
16 Aug 2016, 4:31 pm #716
Strike suspended according to reports

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Andreos1
16 Aug 2016, 4:31 pm #716

Strike suspended according to reports


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citaro5284



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16 Aug 2016, 4:38 pm #717
(16 Aug 2016, 4:31 pm)Andreos1 Strike suspended according to reports

Yup...tweet from VTEC

#VTECUpdate Planned industrial action by RMT members (19 & 26-29 Aug) has been suspended. Services will run normally as was always intended
citaro5284
16 Aug 2016, 4:38 pm #717

(16 Aug 2016, 4:31 pm)Andreos1 Strike suspended according to reports

Yup...tweet from VTEC

#VTECUpdate Planned industrial action by RMT members (19 & 26-29 Aug) has been suspended. Services will run normally as was always intended

Andreos1



14,155
22 Aug 2016, 3:36 pm #718
Thought you could escape them when they vanished off our buses?

Think again...
https://twitter.com/DavidKeech5/status/7...1818691584

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Andreos1
22 Aug 2016, 3:36 pm #718

Thought you could escape them when they vanished off our buses?

Think again...
https://twitter.com/DavidKeech5/status/7...1818691584


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Jimmi



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22 Aug 2016, 3:40 pm #719
(22 Aug 2016, 3:36 pm)Andreos1 Thought you could escape them when they vanished off our buses?

Think again...
https://twitter.com/DavidKeech5/status/7...1818691584
Are they going to tell you "please don't use the toilet when the train is in the station"
Jimmi
22 Aug 2016, 3:40 pm #719

(22 Aug 2016, 3:36 pm)Andreos1 Thought you could escape them when they vanished off our buses?

Think again...
https://twitter.com/DavidKeech5/status/7...1818691584
Are they going to tell you "please don't use the toilet when the train is in the station"

Andreos1



14,155
22 Aug 2016, 3:45 pm #720
(22 Aug 2016, 3:40 pm)Jimmi Are they going to tell you "please don't use the toilet when the train is in the station"

'Please remain seated whilst the train is moving'

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Andreos1
22 Aug 2016, 3:45 pm #720

(22 Aug 2016, 3:40 pm)Jimmi Are they going to tell you "please don't use the toilet when the train is in the station"

'Please remain seated whilst the train is moving'


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