(07 Nov 2019, 4:02 pm)Andreos1
Seems it will be Saturday now.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:02 pm)Andreos1
Seems it will be Saturday now.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:07 pm)Stanleyone[quote="streetdeckfan" pid='235801' dateline='1573142636']
Then on Saturday it'll be Sunday!
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They don’t operate on a Sunday, Currently 5x Diamond Streetlites used on X5/16A/X30 unless they decide otherwise
To keep the spec to a good standard during the evenings, could the allocation on the 6 / X30 be swapped for Green Arrow E200MMCs when the 6 boards pass the Metrocentre?
(07 Nov 2019, 4:07 pm)Stanleyone[quote="streetdeckfan" pid='235801' dateline='1573142636']
Then on Saturday it'll be Sunday!
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They don’t operate on a Sunday, Currently 5x Diamond Streetlites used on X5/16A/X30 unless they decide otherwise
To keep the spec to a good standard during the evenings, could the allocation on the 6 / X30 be swapped for Green Arrow E200MMCs when the 6 boards pass the Metrocentre?
(07 Nov 2019, 4:07 pm)StanleyoneThey don’t operate on a Sunday, Currently 5x Diamond Streetlites used on X5/16A/X30 unless they decide otherwise
That's still the plan - for now, at least.
Passenger numbers to be monitored, and, should such a time arise where there has been sufficient growth and double-deck would be warranted, will be swapped for the five E400MMCs.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:07 pm)StanleyoneThey don’t operate on a Sunday, Currently 5x Diamond Streetlites used on X5/16A/X30 unless they decide otherwise
That's still the plan - for now, at least.
Passenger numbers to be monitored, and, should such a time arise where there has been sufficient growth and double-deck would be warranted, will be swapped for the five E400MMCs.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:32 pm)Dan
That's still the plan - for now, at least.
Passenger numbers to be monitored, and, should such a time arise where there has been sufficient growth and double-deck would be warranted, will be swapped for the five E400MMCs.
Is there much of a difference in the running costs between the Streetlites and the E400s?
I've always found it strange that they run deckers on the X21 at night. From my experience there's definitely not enough passengers to warrant a double decker!
(07 Nov 2019, 4:32 pm)Dan
That's still the plan - for now, at least.
Passenger numbers to be monitored, and, should such a time arise where there has been sufficient growth and double-deck would be warranted, will be swapped for the five E400MMCs.
Is there much of a difference in the running costs between the Streetlites and the E400s?
I've always found it strange that they run deckers on the X21 at night. From my experience there's definitely not enough passengers to warrant a double decker!
(07 Nov 2019, 4:51 pm)streetdeckfan
Is there much of a difference in the running costs between the Streetlites and the E400s?
I've always found it strange that they run deckers on the X21 at night. From my experience there's definitely not enough passengers to warrant a double decker!
We'll find out the true answer to that once we start running the E400s.
The difficulty with the X21 is that it's a cross-town service. There's no where you can stop running a double-deck and start running a single-deck, both efficiently and without causing disruption to customers' journeys with a changeover.
With other services like the 60, they terminate in Park Lane Interchange, so you can quite easily have another vehicle step in on an evening.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:51 pm)streetdeckfan
Is there much of a difference in the running costs between the Streetlites and the E400s?
I've always found it strange that they run deckers on the X21 at night. From my experience there's definitely not enough passengers to warrant a double decker!
We'll find out the true answer to that once we start running the E400s.
The difficulty with the X21 is that it's a cross-town service. There's no where you can stop running a double-deck and start running a single-deck, both efficiently and without causing disruption to customers' journeys with a changeover.
With other services like the 60, they terminate in Park Lane Interchange, so you can quite easily have another vehicle step in on an evening.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:07 pm)Stanleyone[quote="streetdeckfan" pid='235801' dateline='1573142636']
Then on Saturday it'll be Sunday!
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They don’t operate on a Sunday, Currently 5x Diamond Streetlites used on X5/16A/X30 unless they decide otherwise
this is my issue with branding, fully understand from a business point of view why different buses are allocated on Evenings/Sundays. It makes complete sense. However spending thousands on branding and then ditching it at a certain time of day or a full day seems counterproductive.
Again, fully understand why this happens and I'm sure many companies operate with the exact same profile, it just dilutes your own objective. Not saying the buses that deputise during less busy periods aren't suitable, as a normal customer I would be slightly confused If I left for work in the morning on one of these amazing double deckers and then finished work late evening to get on a bus branded for a different area that's not as flash.
Some people would care, others just want to get from A to B and don't really care.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:07 pm)Stanleyone[quote="streetdeckfan" pid='235801' dateline='1573142636']
Then on Saturday it'll be Sunday!
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They don’t operate on a Sunday, Currently 5x Diamond Streetlites used on X5/16A/X30 unless they decide otherwise
this is my issue with branding, fully understand from a business point of view why different buses are allocated on Evenings/Sundays. It makes complete sense. However spending thousands on branding and then ditching it at a certain time of day or a full day seems counterproductive.
Again, fully understand why this happens and I'm sure many companies operate with the exact same profile, it just dilutes your own objective. Not saying the buses that deputise during less busy periods aren't suitable, as a normal customer I would be slightly confused If I left for work in the morning on one of these amazing double deckers and then finished work late evening to get on a bus branded for a different area that's not as flash.
Some people would care, others just want to get from A to B and don't really care.
(07 Nov 2019, 4:57 pm)Dan
We'll find out the true answer to that once we start running the E400s.
The difficulty with the X21 is that it's a cross-town service. There's no where you can stop running a double-deck and start running a single-deck, both efficiently and without causing disruption to customers' journeys with a changeover.
With other services like the 60, they terminate in Park Lane Interchange, so you can quite easily have another vehicle step in on an evening.
On an evening the X21 runs as a 21 to Durham, so to me it wouldn't be much of a hassle to just change over at Durham and have 2 Streetlites going between Bishop and Durham. I'd also ditch the X21 and renumber it on an evening to the 21B since it's not express either
(07 Nov 2019, 4:57 pm)Dan
We'll find out the true answer to that once we start running the E400s.
The difficulty with the X21 is that it's a cross-town service. There's no where you can stop running a double-deck and start running a single-deck, both efficiently and without causing disruption to customers' journeys with a changeover.
With other services like the 60, they terminate in Park Lane Interchange, so you can quite easily have another vehicle step in on an evening.
On an evening the X21 runs as a 21 to Durham, so to me it wouldn't be much of a hassle to just change over at Durham and have 2 Streetlites going between Bishop and Durham. I'd also ditch the X21 and renumber it on an evening to the 21B since it's not express either
(07 Nov 2019, 5:14 pm)streetdeckfan
On an evening the X21 runs as a 21 to Durham, so to me it wouldn't be much of a hassle to just change over at Durham and have 2 Streetlites going between Bishop and Durham. I'd also ditch the X21 and renumber it on an evening to the 21B since it's not express either
You'd then have the issue of remote reliefs at Durham on evenings though - there'd be a greater cost associated with this.
(07 Nov 2019, 5:14 pm)streetdeckfan
On an evening the X21 runs as a 21 to Durham, so to me it wouldn't be much of a hassle to just change over at Durham and have 2 Streetlites going between Bishop and Durham. I'd also ditch the X21 and renumber it on an evening to the 21B since it's not express either
You'd then have the issue of remote reliefs at Durham on evenings though - there'd be a greater cost associated with this.
(07 Nov 2019, 5:36 pm)DanTrue. I suppose the fuel savings would no where near make up for it.
You'd then have the issue of remote reliefs at Durham on evenings though - there'd be a greater cost associated with this.
(07 Nov 2019, 5:36 pm)DanTrue. I suppose the fuel savings would no where near make up for it.
You'd then have the issue of remote reliefs at Durham on evenings though - there'd be a greater cost associated with this.
(07 Nov 2019, 6:51 pm)streetdeckfan True. I suppose the fuel savings would no where near make up for it.
On another note, are the windows on the E200s actually made from glass? Theres a good 20mm of deflection when I lean up against it. Either that or they cheaper out and went with extremely thin glass!
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All of GNE's ADL intake this year feature ADL's patented 'QRG' (quick-release glazing) windows.
It ordinarily takes around 3 hours to replace a normal glass window, but this significantly reduces time (less than one hour). ADL claim it can be done in 3 minutes but I wouldn't be so sure!
(07 Nov 2019, 6:51 pm)streetdeckfan True. I suppose the fuel savings would no where near make up for it.
On another note, are the windows on the E200s actually made from glass? Theres a good 20mm of deflection when I lean up against it. Either that or they cheaper out and went with extremely thin glass!
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All of GNE's ADL intake this year feature ADL's patented 'QRG' (quick-release glazing) windows.
It ordinarily takes around 3 hours to replace a normal glass window, but this significantly reduces time (less than one hour). ADL claim it can be done in 3 minutes but I wouldn't be so sure!
(07 Nov 2019, 6:55 pm)DanSo that's why it's so flimsy and creaky over bumps then!
All of GNE's ADL intake this year feature ADL's patented 'QRG' (quick-release glazing) windows.
It ordinarily takes around 3 hours to replace a normal glass window, but this significantly reduces time (less than one hour). ADL claim it can be done in 3 minutes but I wouldn't be so sure!
(07 Nov 2019, 6:55 pm)DanSo that's why it's so flimsy and creaky over bumps then!
All of GNE's ADL intake this year feature ADL's patented 'QRG' (quick-release glazing) windows.
It ordinarily takes around 3 hours to replace a normal glass window, but this significantly reduces time (less than one hour). ADL claim it can be done in 3 minutes but I wouldn't be so sure!
(07 Nov 2019, 6:57 pm)streetdeckfan So that's why it's so flimsy and creaky over bumps then!
It honestly feels like if I lean against it like I would normally I'd go straight through!
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Yes, indeed.
Most operators specify ADLs with this type of window. For me it sounds quite 'tinny' whilst driving on rough road surfaces. I've never been particularly keen, but it's been specified on this year's order to get a feel for the system. There's a balance we need to get between operator convenience and passenger comfort, QRG is obviously quoted to be better for bus companies, but normal windows would be better for passengers in that they're a bit less 'tinny'.
(07 Nov 2019, 6:57 pm)streetdeckfan So that's why it's so flimsy and creaky over bumps then!
It honestly feels like if I lean against it like I would normally I'd go straight through!
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Yes, indeed.
Most operators specify ADLs with this type of window. For me it sounds quite 'tinny' whilst driving on rough road surfaces. I've never been particularly keen, but it's been specified on this year's order to get a feel for the system. There's a balance we need to get between operator convenience and passenger comfort, QRG is obviously quoted to be better for bus companies, but normal windows would be better for passengers in that they're a bit less 'tinny'.
(07 Nov 2019, 7:01 pm)DanHow often do GNE replace broken windows? Surely it can't be often enough to really benefit from the faster replacement time (and presumably increase initial cost)
Yes, indeed.
Most operators specify ADLs with this type of window. For me it sounds quite 'tinny' whilst driving on rough road surfaces. I've never been particularly keen, but it's been specified on this year's order to get a feel for the system. There's a balance we need to get between operator convenience and passenger comfort, QRG is obviously quoted to be better for bus companies, but normal windows would be better for passengers in that they're a bit less 'tinny'.
(07 Nov 2019, 7:01 pm)DanHow often do GNE replace broken windows? Surely it can't be often enough to really benefit from the faster replacement time (and presumably increase initial cost)
Yes, indeed.
Most operators specify ADLs with this type of window. For me it sounds quite 'tinny' whilst driving on rough road surfaces. I've never been particularly keen, but it's been specified on this year's order to get a feel for the system. There's a balance we need to get between operator convenience and passenger comfort, QRG is obviously quoted to be better for bus companies, but normal windows would be better for passengers in that they're a bit less 'tinny'.
(07 Nov 2019, 7:13 pm)streetdeckfan How often do GNE replace broken windows? Surely it can't be often enough to really benefit from the faster replacement time (and presumably increase initial cost)You'd be surprised at the amount of vandalism...
I really liked GNE's E200s, I know it sounds petty but honestly the windows alone have put me off them. They just sound and feel like they're not put together properly, and other than the windows there's actually very little rattle!
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(07 Nov 2019, 7:13 pm)streetdeckfan How often do GNE replace broken windows? Surely it can't be often enough to really benefit from the faster replacement time (and presumably increase initial cost)You'd be surprised at the amount of vandalism...
I really liked GNE's E200s, I know it sounds petty but honestly the windows alone have put me off them. They just sound and feel like they're not put together properly, and other than the windows there's actually very little rattle!
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(07 Nov 2019, 8:59 pm)Dan You'd be surprised at the amount of vandalism...I tend to not visit places where vandalism is a thing, although I did have to visit Sunderland recently
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(07 Nov 2019, 8:59 pm)Dan You'd be surprised at the amount of vandalism...I tend to not visit places where vandalism is a thing, although I did have to visit Sunderland recently
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(07 Nov 2019, 9:04 pm)MichaelIt was more of a dig at Sunderland than anything.
So you go no where then? Because vandalism is everywhere
(07 Nov 2019, 9:04 pm)MichaelIt was more of a dig at Sunderland than anything.
So you go no where then? Because vandalism is everywhere
(07 Nov 2019, 9:08 pm)streetdeckfan It was more of a dig at Sunderland than anything.
Having said that, the most vandalism I've ever seen was someone throwing an egg at the window.
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Did it crack?
(07 Nov 2019, 10:11 pm)Andreos1
Did it crack?
The egg yes, the window no. Although it didn't get cleaned off for a few days!
(07 Nov 2019, 10:11 pm)Andreos1
Did it crack?
The egg yes, the window no. Although it didn't get cleaned off for a few days!
(07 Nov 2019, 5:36 pm)Dan
You'd then have the issue of remote reliefs at Durham on evenings though - there'd be a greater cost associated with this.
Could throw a single from 25 on to it at town, the decker going the other way. Bit of crossbranding. Though I'm confident that the allocation will always end up as a euro 4 decker lol.
(07 Nov 2019, 5:36 pm)Dan
You'd then have the issue of remote reliefs at Durham on evenings though - there'd be a greater cost associated with this.
Could throw a single from 25 on to it at town, the decker going the other way. Bit of crossbranding. Though I'm confident that the allocation will always end up as a euro 4 decker lol.
