(21 Nov 2019, 1:42 pm)Venturego Labour's manifesto has been published. With regards to buses, Chris Mason (BBC political correspondent) has commented on their news website:
"Here's something from page 19: Nationalising bus services. The party promises that where councils take over running local buses, under-25s will travel for free:
https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads...o-2019.pdf
Labour will ensure that councils can improve bus
services by regulating and taking public ownership
of bus networks, and we will give them resources
and full legal powers to achieve this cost-effectively,
thereby ending the race to the bottom in working
conditions for bus workers. Where councils take control
of their buses, Labour will introduce free bus travel for
under-25s. We will increase and expand local services,
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20 IT’S TIME FOR REAL CHANGE
reinstating the 3,000 routes that have
been cut, particularly hitting rural
communities.
(21 Nov 2019, 1:42 pm)Venturego Labour's manifesto has been published. With regards to buses, Chris Mason (BBC political correspondent) has commented on their news website:
"Here's something from page 19: Nationalising bus services. The party promises that where councils take over running local buses, under-25s will travel for free:
https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads...o-2019.pdf
Labour will ensure that councils can improve bus
services by regulating and taking public ownership
of bus networks, and we will give them resources
and full legal powers to achieve this cost-effectively,
thereby ending the race to the bottom in working
conditions for bus workers. Where councils take control
of their buses, Labour will introduce free bus travel for
under-25s. We will increase and expand local services,
TRANSPORT
20 IT’S TIME FOR REAL CHANGE
reinstating the 3,000 routes that have
been cut, particularly hitting rural
communities.
(21 Nov 2019, 2:23 pm)ryan.c.lawrence.5 Went to the launch today at The Louisa Centre and wasn't bad , done the wheel of fortune and won a weeks free pass & my girlfriend also won a days pass so all being well today
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(21 Nov 2019, 2:23 pm)ryan.c.lawrence.5 Went to the launch today at The Louisa Centre and wasn't bad , done the wheel of fortune and won a weeks free pass & my girlfriend also won a days pass so all being well today
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(21 Nov 2019, 4:10 pm)OrangeArrow49 When do the free passes (1, 7 and 28 days) have to be used by? Are they only available on the GNE app?
(21 Nov 2019, 4:10 pm)OrangeArrow49 When do the free passes (1, 7 and 28 days) have to be used by? Are they only available on the GNE app?
(21 Nov 2019, 3:23 pm)streetdeckfan Yeah... course they will!
If GNE was nationalised, do you think they'd be getting the high spec buses they have been or do you think they'd just get the bargain basement spec?
Where would all the money for this come from? Even more borrowing? Even higher taxes?
There's no such thing as free
Got to agree with you there Streetdeckfan. Last time i was in Edinburgh,the buses were that old..... some had step access, and they had a conductor who gave you tickets, you could smoke upstairs and to top it of all the adverts were preaching the virtues of communism...... bloody council run bus companies!
(21 Nov 2019, 3:23 pm)streetdeckfan Yeah... course they will!
If GNE was nationalised, do you think they'd be getting the high spec buses they have been or do you think they'd just get the bargain basement spec?
Where would all the money for this come from? Even more borrowing? Even higher taxes?
There's no such thing as free
Got to agree with you there Streetdeckfan. Last time i was in Edinburgh,the buses were that old..... some had step access, and they had a conductor who gave you tickets, you could smoke upstairs and to top it of all the adverts were preaching the virtues of communism...... bloody council run bus companies!
(21 Nov 2019, 4:15 pm)streetdeckfan 3 months from the date of issue. And yes, only on the app
(21 Nov 2019, 4:15 pm)streetdeckfan 3 months from the date of issue. And yes, only on the app
(21 Nov 2019, 3:23 pm)streetdeckfan Yeah... course they will!
If GNE was nationalised, do you think they'd be getting the high spec buses they have been or do you think they'd just get the bargain basement spec?
Where would all the money for this come from? Even more borrowing? Even higher taxes?
There's no such thing as free
(21 Nov 2019, 3:23 pm)streetdeckfan Yeah... course they will!
If GNE was nationalised, do you think they'd be getting the high spec buses they have been or do you think they'd just get the bargain basement spec?
Where would all the money for this come from? Even more borrowing? Even higher taxes?
There's no such thing as free
(21 Nov 2019, 4:22 pm)OrangeArrow49 So the date of issue would be today? Then it needs to be activated on the app within 3 months and will then be valid for 28 days? If you win two, they both need activating within 3 months but at least 28 days apart? Thanks.
(21 Nov 2019, 4:22 pm)OrangeArrow49 So the date of issue would be today? Then it needs to be activated on the app within 3 months and will then be valid for 28 days? If you win two, they both need activating within 3 months but at least 28 days apart? Thanks.
(21 Nov 2019, 3:23 pm)streetdeckfan "Yeah... course they will!
If GNE was nationalised, do you think they'd be getting the high spec buses they have been or do you think they'd just get the bargain basement spec?
Where would all the money for this come from? Even more borrowing? Even higher taxes?
There's no such thing as free"
I don't think full Nationalisation (like the National Bus Co. of the 70's early 80's) is being suggested. More likely where local authorities wish to operate or control services within their area, such as Nexus operating Bus & Metro like the old Corporations / PTEs ran Buses & trams within city limits. GNE would likely do well feeding services into such areas. Within the areas controlled by local authorities they would observe fares etc... as laid down to improve public service connectivity. Extending Nexus fare zones into Co. Durham and South Northumberland could benefit GNE via more passengers linking into an Oyster style multi modal zone.
Stagecoach would be the main operator adversely affected, as the majority of their services, being the former Newcastle, Sunderland, S. Shields Corporation (T&W PTE) are within the areas here in the North East and other city areas presumably targeted.
(21 Nov 2019, 3:23 pm)streetdeckfan "Yeah... course they will!
If GNE was nationalised, do you think they'd be getting the high spec buses they have been or do you think they'd just get the bargain basement spec?
Where would all the money for this come from? Even more borrowing? Even higher taxes?
There's no such thing as free"
I don't think full Nationalisation (like the National Bus Co. of the 70's early 80's) is being suggested. More likely where local authorities wish to operate or control services within their area, such as Nexus operating Bus & Metro like the old Corporations / PTEs ran Buses & trams within city limits. GNE would likely do well feeding services into such areas. Within the areas controlled by local authorities they would observe fares etc... as laid down to improve public service connectivity. Extending Nexus fare zones into Co. Durham and South Northumberland could benefit GNE via more passengers linking into an Oyster style multi modal zone.
Stagecoach would be the main operator adversely affected, as the majority of their services, being the former Newcastle, Sunderland, S. Shields Corporation (T&W PTE) are within the areas here in the North East and other city areas presumably targeted.
(21 Nov 2019, 4:27 pm)JP6004 Another reason I can't stand him, he's probably only introducing that because a driver shut the doors and drove off
But private businesses drive efficiency and pull in investment. Government sectors do not have the same drive as they can just throw money at it. The same with the NHS, they keeping saying they need £X billion more a year, however if it was efficient as it could be, it wouldnt need shoring up with further billions.
(21 Nov 2019, 4:27 pm)JP6004 Another reason I can't stand him, he's probably only introducing that because a driver shut the doors and drove off
But private businesses drive efficiency and pull in investment. Government sectors do not have the same drive as they can just throw money at it. The same with the NHS, they keeping saying they need £X billion more a year, however if it was efficient as it could be, it wouldnt need shoring up with further billions.
" 'taking public ownership of bus networks' is full nationalisation!"
Post above suggests more like a return to PTEs replacing Stagecoach mainly in our area. (posting may have crossed with other posts hence you may not have read fully)
However!:
Arriva is owned by Deutche Bahn, which in turn is owned 100% by Federal Republic of Germany, the irony being UK bus and train passengers of Arriva are contributing the profits to the government of Germany! - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn
€570m income from a €5.35Billion revenue to Germany's Federal Government (2017) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arriva
(21 Nov 2019, 5:49 pm)Venturego " 'taking public ownership of bus networks' is full nationalisation!"
Post above suggests more like a return to PTEs replacing Stagecoach mainly in our area. (posting may have crossed with other posts hence you may not have read fully)
However!:
Arriva is owned by Deutche Bahn, which in turn is owned 100% by Federal Republic of Germany, the irony being UK bus and train passengers of Arriva are contributing the profits to the government of Germany! - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn
€570m income from a €5.35Billion revenue to Germany's Federal Government (2017) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arriva
(21 Nov 2019, 5:49 pm)Venturego " 'taking public ownership of bus networks' is full nationalisation!"
Post above suggests more like a return to PTEs replacing Stagecoach mainly in our area. (posting may have crossed with other posts hence you may not have read fully)
However!:
Arriva is owned by Deutche Bahn, which in turn is owned 100% by Federal Republic of Germany, the irony being UK bus and train passengers of Arriva are contributing the profits to the government of Germany! - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn
€570m income from a €5.35Billion revenue to Germany's Federal Government (2017) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arriva
I thought it was annoying when the odd Angel 21 repeats itself, however hearing 'This is the Cobalt & Coast three-O-nine service to [Bylth]' twice at each stop must be even more annoying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix_2GXqqt2c
(21 Nov 2019, 4:38 pm)streetdeckfan Not to turn this into a political rant, but I wouldn't hate Labour so much if it wasn't for Corbyn! Like with all Labour policies, they're good in theory, but once you start digging into the finances it all falls apart!
It's funny how out of all my 'friends', the ones who aren't staunch Labour supporters are the ones who studied business or accounting!
To be honest, if the NHS was fully privatised it would probably be a heck of a lot better than it is now, but then we'd be in a situation like the USA! I'd take waiting a few hours in A&E, or a few days to see a GP over having to pay their extortionate rates! Plus, any time anyone brings up the Conservatives privatising the NHS, all I say back to them is look up PFI hospitals like Bishop Auckland!
Plus, I'm fairy certain 'taking public ownership of bus networks' is full nationalisation!
(21 Nov 2019, 4:38 pm)streetdeckfan Not to turn this into a political rant, but I wouldn't hate Labour so much if it wasn't for Corbyn! Like with all Labour policies, they're good in theory, but once you start digging into the finances it all falls apart!
It's funny how out of all my 'friends', the ones who aren't staunch Labour supporters are the ones who studied business or accounting!
To be honest, if the NHS was fully privatised it would probably be a heck of a lot better than it is now, but then we'd be in a situation like the USA! I'd take waiting a few hours in A&E, or a few days to see a GP over having to pay their extortionate rates! Plus, any time anyone brings up the Conservatives privatising the NHS, all I say back to them is look up PFI hospitals like Bishop Auckland!
Plus, I'm fairy certain 'taking public ownership of bus networks' is full nationalisation!
(21 Nov 2019, 7:58 pm)Andreos1 Have your 'friends' who studied business or accounting worked out how much they're currently subsidising these private operators through their tax contributions?
Whether it be though PTE subsidies or the BSOG (and other) uplifts or support towards apps, ticket machines, WiFi which the operators are receiving, they're paying for the service whether they use it or not.
If they do use the service, then in effect they're paying twice.
That ticket you mention suddenly doesn't look at attractive does it?
I've no idea how and why you think that an alternative wouldn't have any of the touches you mention either.
Why wouldn't they?
(21 Nov 2019, 7:58 pm)Andreos1 Have your 'friends' who studied business or accounting worked out how much they're currently subsidising these private operators through their tax contributions?
Whether it be though PTE subsidies or the BSOG (and other) uplifts or support towards apps, ticket machines, WiFi which the operators are receiving, they're paying for the service whether they use it or not.
If they do use the service, then in effect they're paying twice.
That ticket you mention suddenly doesn't look at attractive does it?
I've no idea how and why you think that an alternative wouldn't have any of the touches you mention either.
Why wouldn't they?
(21 Nov 2019, 7:58 pm)Andreos1 Have your 'friends' who studied business or accounting worked out how much they're currently subsidising these private operators through their tax contributions?
Whether it be though PTE subsidies or the BSOG (and other) uplifts or support towards apps, ticket machines, WiFi which the operators are receiving, they're paying for the service whether they use it or not.
If they do use the service, then in effect they're paying twice.
That ticket you mention suddenly doesn't look at attractive does it?
I've no idea how and why you think that an alternative wouldn't have any of the touches you mention either.
Why wouldn't they?
(21 Nov 2019, 7:58 pm)Andreos1 Have your 'friends' who studied business or accounting worked out how much they're currently subsidising these private operators through their tax contributions?
Whether it be though PTE subsidies or the BSOG (and other) uplifts or support towards apps, ticket machines, WiFi which the operators are receiving, they're paying for the service whether they use it or not.
If they do use the service, then in effect they're paying twice.
That ticket you mention suddenly doesn't look at attractive does it?
I've no idea how and why you think that an alternative wouldn't have any of the touches you mention either.
Why wouldn't they?
(21 Nov 2019, 7:53 pm)ne14ne1 I thought it was annoying when the odd Angel 21 repeats itself, however hearing 'This is the Cobalt & Coast three-O-nine service to [Bylth]' twice at each stop must be even more annoying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix_2GXqqt2cIt is extremely annoying I was there as it is my video (thank you for watching and sharing btw) also I think a few others have that but too. On 6104/12 have a fault where the stop sign stays lit
(21 Nov 2019, 7:53 pm)ne14ne1 I thought it was annoying when the odd Angel 21 repeats itself, however hearing 'This is the Cobalt & Coast three-O-nine service to [Bylth]' twice at each stop must be even more annoying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix_2GXqqt2cIt is extremely annoying I was there as it is my video (thank you for watching and sharing btw) also I think a few others have that but too. On 6104/12 have a fault where the stop sign stays lit
(21 Nov 2019, 8:20 pm)GNE6312 It is extremely annoying I was there as it is my video (thank you for watching and sharing btw) also I think a few others have that but too. On 6104/12 have a fault where the stop sign stays lit
(21 Nov 2019, 8:20 pm)GNE6312 It is extremely annoying I was there as it is my video (thank you for watching and sharing btw) also I think a few others have that but too. On 6104/12 have a fault where the stop sign stays lit
Anyone know when and what route this demo will be on and when it is going to be out and how long will it be out for
https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49100410856/
(21 Nov 2019, 8:30 pm)GNE6312 Anyone know when and what route this demo will be on and when it is going to be out and how long will it be out for
https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49100410856/
(21 Nov 2019, 8:30 pm)GNE6312 Anyone know when and what route this demo will be on and when it is going to be out and how long will it be out for
https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49100410856/
