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Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - March 2020

 
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citaro5284



3,231
01 Mar 2020, 8:30 am #1
I see Roger French has been out testing Flex...

https://busandtrainuser.com/2020/02/25/t...tees-flex/
citaro5284
01 Mar 2020, 8:30 am #1

I see Roger French has been out testing Flex...

https://busandtrainuser.com/2020/02/25/t...tees-flex/

glen



705
01 Mar 2020, 4:16 pm #2
How mean buses in stagecoach north east are new livery now.
glen
01 Mar 2020, 4:16 pm #2

How mean buses in stagecoach north east are new livery now.

Malarkey



6,060
02 Mar 2020, 6:20 pm #3
(28 Feb 2020, 12:50 pm)RBZ 5459 19645 is the second E400 repaint into new livery.

Here is 19645 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49...78/in/feed
Malarkey
02 Mar 2020, 6:20 pm #3

(28 Feb 2020, 12:50 pm)RBZ 5459 19645 is the second E400 repaint into new livery.

Here is 19645 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49...78/in/feed

Dan

Site Administrator

18,099
02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm #4
(02 Mar 2020, 6:20 pm)Malarkey Here is 19645 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49...78/in/feed

The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Whilst these details won't be noticed by an ordinary customer, and the point about the vinyl placement is being extremely nitpicky, I'm very surprised UK Bus haven't set specific guidelines on this kind of thing, given it's a major re-brand and a big step-change in their corporate identity (whether we like it or not!) I do recall seeing something of a guideline sheet when the new identity was first revealed, so perhaps (even more surprisingly) local regions aren't sticking to the set guidelines?
Dan
02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm #4

(02 Mar 2020, 6:20 pm)Malarkey Here is 19645 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49...78/in/feed

The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Whilst these details won't be noticed by an ordinary customer, and the point about the vinyl placement is being extremely nitpicky, I'm very surprised UK Bus haven't set specific guidelines on this kind of thing, given it's a major re-brand and a big step-change in their corporate identity (whether we like it or not!) I do recall seeing something of a guideline sheet when the new identity was first revealed, so perhaps (even more surprisingly) local regions aren't sticking to the set guidelines?

glen



705
02 Mar 2020, 7:06 pm #5
Can't wait to see one buses for Stockton depot in the new livery.
glen
02 Mar 2020, 7:06 pm #5

Can't wait to see one buses for Stockton depot in the new livery.

Malarkey



6,060
02 Mar 2020, 7:27 pm #6
(02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm)Dan The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Whilst these details won't be noticed by an ordinary customer, and the point about the vinyl placement is being extremely nitpicky, I'm very surprised UK Bus haven't set specific guidelines on this kind of thing, given it's a major re-brand and a big step-change in their corporate identity (whether we like it or not!) I do recall seeing something of a guideline sheet when the new identity was first revealed, so perhaps (even more surprisingly) local regions aren't sticking to the set guidelines?

It's 15698 (PX60 BFA) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/stagecoachuk/49587823232/

L
ooks awful to be a brutally honest, ours look a lot better with the Blue front bumper then the Yellow over the lights/grill.

The bit of Blue on 15698 sticks out like a sore thumb between the door and the wheelchair ramp, furthermore with the blue on the front of the bus I would've brought that back further than what it is currently aligned as there is far to much white going from the mid point of the vehicle towards the front of it for my liking, I would've personally brought the blue back as far as the first lower deck window with curve of the blue starting just after the wheel arch but before where the legal lettering is and curving up towards the second upper deck window to which I think would look a hell of a lot better.

I have no comments on the rear of the vehicle as I think that looks fine.
Malarkey
02 Mar 2020, 7:27 pm #6

(02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm)Dan The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Whilst these details won't be noticed by an ordinary customer, and the point about the vinyl placement is being extremely nitpicky, I'm very surprised UK Bus haven't set specific guidelines on this kind of thing, given it's a major re-brand and a big step-change in their corporate identity (whether we like it or not!) I do recall seeing something of a guideline sheet when the new identity was first revealed, so perhaps (even more surprisingly) local regions aren't sticking to the set guidelines?

It's 15698 (PX60 BFA) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/stagecoachuk/49587823232/

L
ooks awful to be a brutally honest, ours look a lot better with the Blue front bumper then the Yellow over the lights/grill.

The bit of Blue on 15698 sticks out like a sore thumb between the door and the wheelchair ramp, furthermore with the blue on the front of the bus I would've brought that back further than what it is currently aligned as there is far to much white going from the mid point of the vehicle towards the front of it for my liking, I would've personally brought the blue back as far as the first lower deck window with curve of the blue starting just after the wheel arch but before where the legal lettering is and curving up towards the second upper deck window to which I think would look a hell of a lot better.

I have no comments on the rear of the vehicle as I think that looks fine.

Kuyoyo



6,849
02 Mar 2020, 7:38 pm #7
Understand from comments on other forums that 19440/645 have been painted to the correct specifications for the classic Enviro bodywork. The Cumbrian example has been painted to the MMC specification.
Kuyoyo
02 Mar 2020, 7:38 pm #7

Understand from comments on other forums that 19440/645 have been painted to the correct specifications for the classic Enviro bodywork. The Cumbrian example has been painted to the MMC specification.

Youngymmv



168
02 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm #8
What ever happened to Days when buses were painted to a design and not just following the lines of various body panels
Youngymmv
02 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm #8

What ever happened to Days when buses were painted to a design and not just following the lines of various body panels

02 Mar 2020, 9:28 pm #9
(02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm)Dan The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Can see the offside logo positioning differs (hopefully 19645 is correct as it looks a bit less squished) but struggling to see any particular difference in fleet number font/colour?  The wheelchair logos differ between many of the batches, and arguably are largely obsolete now as all buses are wheelchair accessible - so its a bit like saying seats and poles on board.

19440: https://www.flickr.com/photos/seanwhite1...596886702/
19645: https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49609586878/
stagecoachbusdepot
02 Mar 2020, 9:28 pm #9

(02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm)Dan The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Can see the offside logo positioning differs (hopefully 19645 is correct as it looks a bit less squished) but struggling to see any particular difference in fleet number font/colour?  The wheelchair logos differ between many of the batches, and arguably are largely obsolete now as all buses are wheelchair accessible - so its a bit like saying seats and poles on board.

19440: https://www.flickr.com/photos/seanwhite1...596886702/
19645: https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49609586878/

Dan

Site Administrator

18,099
02 Mar 2020, 9:31 pm #10
(02 Mar 2020, 9:28 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Can see the offside logo positioning differs (hopefully 19645 is correct as it looks a bit less squished) but struggling to see any particular difference in fleet number font/colour?  The wheelchair logos differ between many of the batches, and arguably are largely obsolete now as all buses are wheelchair accessible - so its a bit like saying seats and poles on board.

19440: https://www.flickr.com/photos/seanwhite1...596886702/
19645: https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49609586878/

Possibly just the photos that were on Facebook, but it appeared that 19440's fleet number was in a blue font.

It would make more sense to put a company logo above the driver's cab window in the white space, with the fleet number being closer to the wheel arch...
Dan
02 Mar 2020, 9:31 pm #10

(02 Mar 2020, 9:28 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Can see the offside logo positioning differs (hopefully 19645 is correct as it looks a bit less squished) but struggling to see any particular difference in fleet number font/colour?  The wheelchair logos differ between many of the batches, and arguably are largely obsolete now as all buses are wheelchair accessible - so its a bit like saying seats and poles on board.

19440: https://www.flickr.com/photos/seanwhite1...596886702/
19645: https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/49609586878/

Possibly just the photos that were on Facebook, but it appeared that 19440's fleet number was in a blue font.

It would make more sense to put a company logo above the driver's cab window in the white space, with the fleet number being closer to the wheel arch...

idiot



1,116
03 Mar 2020, 8:26 am #11
Anyone else having problems with the stagecoach app?! Had to buy a smart card today for a quid as i can't do anything on the app Sad
idiot
03 Mar 2020, 8:26 am #11

Anyone else having problems with the stagecoach app?! Had to buy a smart card today for a quid as i can't do anything on the app Sad

03 Mar 2020, 9:49 am #12
(02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm)Dan The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Whilst these details won't be noticed by an ordinary customer, and the point about the vinyl placement is being extremely nitpicky, I'm very surprised UK Bus haven't set specific guidelines on this kind of thing, given it's a major re-brand and a big step-change in their corporate identity (whether we like it or not!) I do recall seeing something of a guideline sheet when the new identity was first revealed, so perhaps (even more surprisingly) local regions aren't sticking to the set guidelines?

What many enthusiasts have seen, is all that the paint shops have seen. 

There's currently only "official spec" for the Enviro400MMC and Enviro300. The E400 repaints that North East have done are taken from the branding magazine interpretation, and was never supposed to be used... and with that, was why Carlisle painted 15698 the way it is - with a bit of additional experimentation, plus was done prior to the official specs landing - so may be the last bad panda, depending on the MD. 

A kick up the proverbial and some ironing out of repaint execution is ongoing at Group level, so hopefully developments provide more guidance. When Best Impressions commissioned 'swoops' there were specs produced for every bus in the UK Bus fleet done for the brand rollout, so quite frustrating that hasn't happened yet.

There's been plenty plowed into The Case for Change programme, material and staff roadshows commercially and at Group level, but on the face of it has only produced a couple of speculative paint specs for further down the chain at division level. It's all still in its early days of the rollout I suppose, touchwood it's ironed out....


RBZ5459 | flickr | THV

RBZ 5459
03 Mar 2020, 9:49 am #12

(02 Mar 2020, 6:37 pm)Dan The blue bumper looks a lot cleaner, but seems to deviate away from the standard set by UK Bus? There's another bus in Cumbria with 'panda eyes'. Placement of the Stagecoach logo on the O/S, and indeed the fleet number font/colour on the front, also seems to differ between the two repainted Enviro400s in the Newcastle fleet. Even the wheelchair logos on the front destination are different.

Whilst these details won't be noticed by an ordinary customer, and the point about the vinyl placement is being extremely nitpicky, I'm very surprised UK Bus haven't set specific guidelines on this kind of thing, given it's a major re-brand and a big step-change in their corporate identity (whether we like it or not!) I do recall seeing something of a guideline sheet when the new identity was first revealed, so perhaps (even more surprisingly) local regions aren't sticking to the set guidelines?

What many enthusiasts have seen, is all that the paint shops have seen. 

There's currently only "official spec" for the Enviro400MMC and Enviro300. The E400 repaints that North East have done are taken from the branding magazine interpretation, and was never supposed to be used... and with that, was why Carlisle painted 15698 the way it is - with a bit of additional experimentation, plus was done prior to the official specs landing - so may be the last bad panda, depending on the MD. 

A kick up the proverbial and some ironing out of repaint execution is ongoing at Group level, so hopefully developments provide more guidance. When Best Impressions commissioned 'swoops' there were specs produced for every bus in the UK Bus fleet done for the brand rollout, so quite frustrating that hasn't happened yet.

There's been plenty plowed into The Case for Change programme, material and staff roadshows commercially and at Group level, but on the face of it has only produced a couple of speculative paint specs for further down the chain at division level. It's all still in its early days of the rollout I suppose, touchwood it's ironed out....



RBZ5459 | flickr | THV

Youngymmv



168
03 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm #13
Will South Shields be gaining any vehicles back from Sunderland when the x20 & 30 transfer back?
Youngymmv
03 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm #13

Will South Shields be gaining any vehicles back from Sunderland when the x20 & 30 transfer back?

03 Mar 2020, 6:24 pm #14
(03 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm)Youngymmv Will South Shields be gaining any vehicles back from Sunderland when the x20 & 30 transfer back?

I'd imagine 2 or 3 MAN E200s, however many to cover those routes. (2 I'm guessing?)
deanmachine
03 Mar 2020, 6:24 pm #14

(03 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm)Youngymmv Will South Shields be gaining any vehicles back from Sunderland when the x20 & 30 transfer back?

I'd imagine 2 or 3 MAN E200s, however many to cover those routes. (2 I'm guessing?)

Youngymmv



168
03 Mar 2020, 6:29 pm #15
X20 was usually allocated a longer vehicle such as an e300. Could possibly send ex Hartlepool examples as there bigger
Youngymmv
03 Mar 2020, 6:29 pm #15

X20 was usually allocated a longer vehicle such as an e300. Could possibly send ex Hartlepool examples as there bigger

03 Mar 2020, 6:33 pm #16
(03 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm)Youngymmv Will South Shields be gaining any vehicles back from Sunderland when the x20 & 30 transfer back?

Isn't the 17/18s reducing to a 12 min frequency from the same date? If thats the case that might free up 2 buses at Shields to operate the X20/30. Allowing 2 of the E200s at Sunderland to replace 34605/35189 in the reserve fleet.
Dans_bus_photos
03 Mar 2020, 6:33 pm #16

(03 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm)Youngymmv Will South Shields be gaining any vehicles back from Sunderland when the x20 & 30 transfer back?

Isn't the 17/18s reducing to a 12 min frequency from the same date? If thats the case that might free up 2 buses at Shields to operate the X20/30. Allowing 2 of the E200s at Sunderland to replace 34605/35189 in the reserve fleet.

Youngymmv



168
04 Mar 2020, 11:42 am #17
Anyone else noticed that the 2 e400s in new corporate livery have returned with the wheel trims on. Something SNE don’t usually have in there vehicles
Youngymmv
04 Mar 2020, 11:42 am #17

Anyone else noticed that the 2 e400s in new corporate livery have returned with the wheel trims on. Something SNE don’t usually have in there vehicles

Malarkey



6,060
04 Mar 2020, 9:07 pm #18
Did a quick little paint job, actually think it looks better with a bit more blue.

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Malarkey
04 Mar 2020, 9:07 pm #18

Did a quick little paint job, actually think it looks better with a bit more blue.

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BusLoverMum



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05 Mar 2020, 4:51 pm #19
Is this one of the first ones up here with vinyls applied.
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BusLoverMum
05 Mar 2020, 4:51 pm #19

Is this one of the first ones up here with vinyls applied.

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Malarkey



6,060
05 Mar 2020, 4:59 pm #20
(05 Mar 2020, 4:51 pm)BusLoverMum Is this one of the first ones up here with vinyls applied.

It was the first one done a few weeks ago.
Malarkey
05 Mar 2020, 4:59 pm #20

(05 Mar 2020, 4:51 pm)BusLoverMum Is this one of the first ones up here with vinyls applied.

It was the first one done a few weeks ago.

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